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Don't Be Big Banks' Puppet; No Immunity Deal for Crooks

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 11:28 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

To help expose the looming cash-for-immunity deal between the Obama administration and big banks, there will be a march from Liberty Square to the U.S. Court House Building at Foley Square on November 5th.

The march will gather at 2:00pm on the east side steps at Liberty Square (Zuccotti Park), and will arrive at Foley Square at 3:00pm. Join the Facebook event page

President Obama is on the brink of cutting a backroom deal that would give bankers broad immunity for illegally throwing tens of thousands of Americans out of their homes. The Administration is pressuring state attorneys general to abandon an ongoing investigation into the massive "robo-signing" fraud, in exchange for a relatively small payoff by the banks.

Numerous investigations by state and federal authorities have demonstrated that banks used illegal procedures to make tens of thousands of foreclosures over the past decade. Rushing to a settlement before the full extent of the fraud is known would be a grave injustice to those who were illegally foreclosed upon and those still struggling to stay in their homes.

“This is a clear, moral issue that cuts to the core of why we occupy,” said Max Berger, an Occupy Wall Street participant helping to plan the event. “Instead of throwing corrupt bankers in jail, the administration is pushing to give them a get-out-of jail-free card.”

“President Obama and the attorneys general have a choice: do they stand with Wall Street, or do they stand with the 99%?” he said.

The Occupy movement has spread throughout the country because the American people will no longer stand by while corporate and government elites strike back room deals to sell out the 99%. On a day when tens of thousands across America will take their money out of big banks, Occupy Wall Street will hold the political class accountable for doing Wall Street's bidding.

“We will not stand for a system that gives campaign contributors a right to immunity, while serving foreclosure papers to the 99%,” said Beth Bogart, a volunteer with Occupy Wall Street. “We will not stand for a country where bankers that issued deadly mortgage-backed securities are bailed out, but homeowners with mortgages are illegally thrown out on the street.”

At New York’s Foley Square, the Occupy movement will stand with those on the front lines of the economic collapse in their struggle against the banks and the politicians who do the banks' bidding. We will join in solidarity with those who have lost their homes to Wall Street greed and political corruption.

We won't let Obama get away with being Wall Street's puppet.

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[-] 8 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

It's about time #OWS got wise to Wall Street's biggest supporter. If Obama tries to pander to or associate himself with the OWS, his overtures should be firmly rejected from the group. After all, Obama received more money from Wall Street interests than other politician in U.S. history. Obama appointed Wall Street flunkies, Bernanke and Geithner, to run the U.S. economy and they duly ran it into the ground. Frankly, that's all you need to know about Obama. Don't let Obama, who over-sold and under-delivered, swing the watch in front the nose of OWS and co-opt the movement. Ditto all other politicians. You might as well go home if you succumb to their overtures. They are the problem. Wall Street is the symptom.

[-] 2 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, unite for truth and justice. It is time to Occupy Washington DC and force change.

http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by yarichin (269) 2 years ago

Disconnecting people from the land has been the first step toward slavery forever. Peasants could not own land, and were subject to the death penalty if found hunting or foraging on the nobleman's land. Land ownership is an illusion while land taxes exist. A man cannot live off of the land while it is taxed, he is forced to come up with pieces of paper that masquerade as money or lose his land. This forces him to work for this so called money (which is actually someone's debt) away from the land.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

Hear Hear!

[-] 1 points by NobodySpecial (3) 2 years ago

I have been advocating that there be a website for voter verification for some time now! I am glad to see that one now exists. It would be interesting to use this method to prove that all precincts were actually counting the votes correctly. One would simple compare the numbers (if somehow every single voter could be accounted for) That may be a bit idealistic but it's a start! I will check it out!

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

i'm a technology engineer and don't find my work to be degrading or oppressive. Before that i managed a lumber warehouse, again it wasn't degrading it was a job. Before that worked in construction, again nobody degraded me. No one has the power to degrade you unless you allow them. The only way to be truly free is to take control of your life and do something with it, in this way only, will you gain pride and respect for yourself.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

I think it's great you've found work that satifies and takes place in a positive environment. I agree about taking control of your life, though it's difficult to make a life unless you have capital investment, and if you're not born with it, you have to save or borrow it, and those things have become very difficult to do, though very easy around the time that predatory lending crashed the housing market. One considers their own situation and without the tool of empathy can say whatever they like about how easy it must be to take control and attain things. This is simply, and sadly, not always true. We live in a system that caters to those who already have a lot of capital, and those factors which determine upward mobility in this country have been changed over the years. Whether people who aren't really affected can see it or not (or choose not to) Neo-Feudalism IS the outcome that we are headed for if things do not change.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

ah empathy, the faulty logic of every liberal. Decrying the de-evolution of society while advocating and defending the very principles that bring society to such a place.

And things will only change when Big Gov't seperates itself from Big Business. And this can only happen by severing as many ties as possible between the two. The best and largest place to start is the tax code. With a simple flat tax, lobbying for loopholes would be meaningless, companies wouldn't have to hire armies of lawyers to comb through tax code to make sure they are covering their asses or looking for loopholes. More money in, less influence. Make it pointless to argue for subsidies, loopholes, and favors. Now that would be a great start.

Advocating for a larger more expansive gov't will only get you more of the same, just lots more.

[-] 1 points by prosperfireson (24) from Hollister, CA 2 years ago

I agree with you that taxes are a part of the problem but they are not the only problem when we look at the relationship between big money and government. First, let me say that it occurs to me we as a species love simple solutions (who wouldn't?). Bear with me here, when we think about something as simple and ordinary as deciding what we want to watch on television what goes into that? You have to consider what you know is on that you might be interested in, how much time you have to watch (other possible activities your committed to), what channel is it on, etc. Something we do all the time takes at the least several considerations before you can resolve the problem of what to watch. Granted this all takes place relatively quickly (usually) but my point is that even the simplest problems are not fixable with one simple action. Why do we think that something as complex and compound as the influence of corporate America and big money on our government will be fixable with one action...its not possible. I am not saying we should give up on solving our problems because I definitely believe they are fixable...just not with one simple, sweeping solution. Our social problems are complex and compound like pie with untold slices. The biggest slice may, in fact be no more than a 64th of the total problem. I believe the only sensible approach is to identify as many of the slices in the problem as is humanly possible and then prioritize between what parts are most easily addressed versus which items are the most egregious to our society. Once a hard balancing act has been decided on then we work to address each item in order as swiftly and as decisively as we can. There are no easy solutions when it comes to social issues and the sooner we stop believing otherwise the swifter we can move to addressing them sensibly.

As for the idea that tax's and tax loop holes are THE problem with corporate influence in Washington I think that is partly accurate. The bigger issue is the incessant war being waged to kill any oversight on the way business is conducted in our country. That is the primary reason that lobbyists exist. Oversight equals expenses that corporations don't like so they move their factories over seas or over the border where they can freely abuse the region and all its inhabitants without fear of government oversight. Don't believe me? History is loaded with tons of examples of this behavior. How about Bhopal, India and the Union Carbide chemical disaster from December of 1984 or the Pacific Gas and Electric company's gas line eruption in San Bruno last year, or Enron's case from 2001? There are tons more of examples. For me it boils down to this: (without oversimplifying this complex problem) corporations exist for one reason and that is to make profit. Corporations will never consider anything seriously unless it has potential to affect the profits to be made and this is precisely why it is not just about taxes. Taxes only are part of the equation for business' to generate profit and they are hardly the biggest dog in that fight as far as the corporations are concerned. The laws that are in place to protect us from the reckless behavior that corporations are more then willing to engage in are what the corporations spend millions of dollars every quarter to undermine or eliminate. Think Glass-Steagall act of 1933 that prohibited banks from engaging in all banking activities and forced the banks to separate the stock trading banks on Wall street from the main street banks that we have checking and savings accounts with. In 1999 the Gram-Leach-Bliley act removed important portions of the Glass-Steagall act and opened the door for Wall street banks to engage in the complex schemes that largely caused our current economic travesty.

I apologize for the lengthy reply and hope you will continue to analyze the mess we are in because great ideas come from everywhere. Hang in there man we can get this done as long as we stand together we can find a way. All my best.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

Finally intelligence.

I understand these are complex issues, but the first paragraph of your response, is basically what every candidate for office (on either side) says every time. Sometimes drastic action is needed to shock people. Now I do know, personally, that this will probably never happen, but at least the debate is being had and maybe some sensible solutions will come from it, not just posturing. Our tax code is a burden on everyone, and the monied interests are the only ones who can take advantage of such said codes (which are legal by the way).

My biggest problem with large Gov't is that they are meant to protect "us", but that is not how it works out. This being a free country where it is constitutional to petition, i.e. lobby your gov't, and human beings, being what they are, are fallible. My point is good intentions are turned into what always naturally occurs in any place where money and power are in proximity to each other, self interest.

Think before the time of The New Deal, there were many, many citizen coalitions that looked out for one another. There were pensioners, societies of one trade or another that held retirement and pensions for each other. The Red Cross came out of the need for such an entity, The Salvation Army, etc. My point is, WE, working on our own (together) are the solution. Not the Gov't.

Take Big Gov't out and I guarantee people would become more dependable, society would stop devolving into desperate housewives, and people would have a true community again.

Or, I don't know, maybe i'm nuts.

[-] 1 points by prosperfireson (24) from Hollister, CA 2 years ago

Hahaha...nice. I am no politician and perhaps my opening statement resembles some politicians. For myself I prefer to deal with facts. I am sorry for the wordiness but felt it necessary to make the point. We can wish for simplicity always but it is almost never the case. The simplest way I can state my point is that almost all problems are complex and compound and wishing that it were not so will not make that fact otherwise.

As for big government and over taxation being THE problem with our society sorry Cap but not buying. I am certainly willing to say that the tax code is a mess and needs to be simplified so that the loop holes are closed off and the average person is capable of doing their own tax return as opposed to having pay someone because nobody sane can figure it out!

As for the size of government it is certainly large and not very nimble because of the huge bureaucracy. There are over 310 million Americans in this country now and trying to manage all facets of our society (that most of us would agree we want oversight with such as the Food and Drug Administration for example) is a daunting task. Think about the BP tragedy in the gulf last year. The federal agency responsible for overseeing deep water oil rigs is the Minerals Management Service (now known as the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation, and Enforcement) and they lacked an adequate number of inspectors to oversee the deep water oil rigs. Further, when investigating the failure of the safety equipment: "Capt. Hung M. Nguyen, the co-chairman of the Coast Guard inquiry, seemed incredulous at the agency’s deference to the industry on the most critical of safety devices.

“So my understanding,” Captain Nguyen said, “is that it is designed to industry standard, manufactured by industry, installed by industry, with no government witnessing oversight of the construction or the installation. Is that correct?”

“That would be correct,” Mr. Saucier said."

You could say that your assessment that big government is not protecting us is correct from this example. However, why was there little to no oversight of this industry? Because the oil industry does not want regulations that lead to expensive fixes and delays in production which cuts into profits. Here is corporate America looking out for its constituents...the share holders.

Cap, I would prefer a simpler, smaller more agile and responsive government as well but our country is far to large and has its tentacles everywhere around the globe. Trying to manage the country as it stands is a massive undertaking but I for one will trade off the size of our government for the obvious need to have somebody on watch making sure that our food is safe to eat and not full of bacteria, our water is safe to drink and not loaded with carcinogens and the cars we drive safe so that we don't hurt ourselves or anyone else from a stuck gas pedal. Humans are flawed by nature and thus all human endeavors will be imperfect. We will never have a perfect society but we can do better and as long as you and I and the rest of our society keep communicating we have a chance to forge meaningful, sustainable change that works reasonably well for us, the planet and all its inhabitants. Its not just about us man. All my best Cap.

[-] 1 points by motherof4 (44) 2 years ago

It's quite clear from your elegant and well written response that you, MadProfit, have benefitted from a nice education in this country that you call Neo-Feudal. I'd be curious how old you are or if, in fact, you personally suffered from the security/mortgage fiasco which the government is striving to clean up without further global economic meltdown. The system that caters to people that "have a lot of capitol" is not at what led to the problem. In fact, there have been dozens of laws enacted in order to avoid forclosures and evictions that would have otherwise taken place in recognition of the special circumstances associated with the banks failure to document the housing values (or lack thereof) in the late 90s and early 2000s. We are where we are at this point. How you can attempt to sort that out by pointing the finger at any one group of people is literally insane or stupid. Lots of people lost lots of money and for the last four or five years the whole country has been trying to sort it out - or did you guys not notice that in 2008?

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Hmm..I was just in overview mode. Here's some more, Usury was illegal before financing the exploration the New World, Woodrow Wilson "Woodrow Wilson: “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” , Nixon taking us off the gold standard. Insane fractional reserve limits. Banks issuing virtual money. No debt - no money. Money AS debt - debt is slavery. Repeal of the Glass-Steagall act. Clinton's deregulation of the housing market which led to predatory lenders making bets on losses which they knew would happen. Goldman Sachs. Hedge funds. Failing banks. The Auto industry bankruptcies. Government bailouts. Government figures taking away human rights through homeland security and fighting unions. Tax breaks for the rich and raises for congress while we spend over 9 billion dollars per month fighting two wars for the better part of a decade that was based on a false connection to a massive tragedy caused by a fringe group of militant Muslims. While people get kicked out of their homes and meanwhile the bailout money that was supposed to be reinvested into circulation gets given as nontaxable bonuses to CEOs who sit on it even now like fat dragons holding the economy hostage so they can play little games over who's king of the hill in the White House. yeah - I noticed. Sucks, don't it?

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

The final analysis shows in every case - every single time, that it's all about money as power and as a measure of potential. That the only reason political parties exist is to keep themselves in power. To win, at the expense of the tax paying citizen and the vulnerable consumer. To only hire when the government gives you breaks when you clearly have the capability is extortion. It is playing with people's lives not just a bunch of numbers on paper. The whole reason for a lot of civil innovation is because of the middle class, but when the middle class begins to exert muscle, this is what happens to quell them, and sure enough it is working.

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

pure rubbish. Workers are being gutted all over the world. Just because you feel you haven't been doesn't mean it isn't so. Millions of workers know that it is so.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

Right, sounds like your a malcontent, blame the world, it's not my fault, i'm a victim stereotype.

I'm sorry Barbara but the only way to true happiness is through yourself, not the blaming of others. I know it is easier to blame other people than it is to blame yourself for why you are who you are (and maybe you're fine, but in general). At the end of the day, it is the person in the mirror who is accountable for where you are.

That is the uncomfortable and unwelcome fact that most people don't want to deal with.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

Right, sounds like your a malcontent, blame the world, it's not my fault, i'm a victim stereotype.

I'm sorry Barbara but the only way to true happiness is through yourself, not the blaming of others. I know it is easier to blame other people than it is to blame yourself for why you are who you are (and maybe you're fine, but in general). At the end of the day, it is the person in the mirror who is accountable for where you are.

That is the uncomfortable and unwelcome fact that most people don't want to deal with.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

You're right. When I am jumped from the bushes by a mad-man with a gun, it's my fault he went mad, found a gun, and shoots me with it. Now people must all take responsibility for the government bailing out banking corporations who produce nothing and made their money by betting on derivatives they knew weren't going to be able to be honoured, then accepted money (our tax money) meant to go into investments and recirculation and instead CEOs kept them as tax free bonuses of an ungodly amount and continue to sit on them like fat dragons and not hire even though the economy has recovered and their profits are sky high. Yup. All our fault. Get real. Frauds go to jail.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

well to take care of the bush bandit i would recommend getting a licence to carry, like me. This way i'm prepared for the bush bandit.

And yes people should take responsibility for getting themselves into loans that they could not afford, and signing contracts they did not read.

And yes people should take responsibility for allowing the gov't to back loans for "poor/minority" and advocating...no.. pushing, demanding that banks give a percentage of their mortgage practice to those that couldn't afford or shouldn't have accepted and or received them. But when the money men found out that they could give lots of these loans out and then bundle them and sell them--- well, it was party time.

So yes, we should all take responsibility for what happened, it takes two to tango.

And frauds should go to jail, but fraud has to be committed, although i'm sure you don't want to look at anything objectively, only subjectively.

Also, it wasn't that they knew they couldn't be honored, not that it matters either way, you sign it you own it, but the housing market was booming and people were using these loans to buy and flip, and then of course the idiots who didn't.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Is this according to Barbara555? or something you found on the internet??

Your ability to generalize appalls me, the only thing you gain is an image of self grandeur almost identical to that of the corporations you seem to detest. I wouldn't believe a word you say based on the way you say it.

And, by the way, You will not know one way or the other whether I agree with your basic contention or not - will you?

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

We are very happy for YOU! We may not be occupying for YOU! We are about WE not ME.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

lol. The "WE" is always about the "ME"

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

Especially if your name is The1capitalist (it can be hard to see beyond your own nose when it's that high in the air). It's unfortunate that you see our society in that way. You haven't seen the people I associate with at all. We are not on your spectrum. We are invisible. There are plenty of us out there who believe our own lives are happy and healthy but the economic divide is destroying this country. We lack seriously in the social graces and in the evolution of consciousness. A dog eat dog world is a backward society at best. Who can amass the most wealth and at whose expense is lifeless.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

You my friend have childlike eyes. a naive and foolish idea of the world around you.

"See the society that way", who do you think you are trying to fool? The age old lie every collectivist espouses as truth. That the "we" is about the you. That the "we" have your best interest at heart. You are either dishonest or very naive. The main thrust behind collectivist ideals is the jealousy of other's things, the covetousness of one's neighbors things.

Don't confuse being involved in your community or helping your neighbor, with collectivism. Helping one's neighbor is an honorable and virtuous act.

You don't understand Western Ideology. For some people the chase of money and the deal is their happiness. that is for them to decide not you, if you force your ideas down my throat you are no better then any dictator from any other time.

And whose nose is where anyhow? How holier than thou you are. "The economic divide", The same garbage liberals have been bitching about for over 100 years. The same lies, the same trash. When evidence to the contrary is all around them.

We think it's the end of the world because unemployment is at 9%, When the RIGHT administration gets into office, and pulls the leeching hands of the gov't out of the lives of business and other's affairs. When business doesn't have to look over its shoulder waiting for the next massive bill to be shoved down their throats. WE, will all take a collective sigh. and then go back to work

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

There will never be an entire society whereby everyone in it is satisfied no matter how it is run. Someone will always feel they are having someone else's way forced down their throat. Perhaps even the child in me is aware of that fact.

Jealous of other's things? Covetousness of neighbor's things? You, my friend, may feel that way but I have not even for a slight moment ever believed that what one owns was worthy of attention. It is who one is that matters most to me. Not the title. The character. I have many friends and associates that cross a large spectrum of finance and have never seen anyone better or worse than anyone else based on the size of their bank account, car, house or boat. That would be quite childish. Nobody is espousing to have "things"in this revolution. To be treated fairly by business is all that is being asked for. No one is an island. We all depend on others to make our riches. If we have made a company rich then we want those corporations to pay their fair share. There isn't a single solitary company or corporation that we, the people, could not take down in a heartbeat and it would be a good idea for the corporations not to test the powers of the "poor commonfolk".

This is not liberal or conservative so get your mind out of the divide and into the unity if possible. Begin to think and see for yourself rather than a mind that has been set for you.

You can set yourself as far apart from the average folk as you like but your not fooling anyone but yourself.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

It is hard to trust a movement that demands word revolution. And who's slogan is "The Only Solution Is World Revolution".

I will always prefer the classical "liberal" ideology and will fight for it, with everything I have.

Some of the people on here are serious, and the best know....... So am I

[-] 0 points by catsass (1) 2 years ago

Wow, I'm sorry, but that's a lot of derp for one post. "Living off the land" may sound pretty cool but after you hoe beans and shuck corn for a while, you really find out the meaning of mind-numbing. There's a reason you can't keep the kids down on the farm.

My work is challenging and not degrading, in fact, I feel fairly well valued at my job. Also, having worked with a number of government employees, local, state, and federal, I've seen very few horns and tails (though I have seen them). Some gov workers are unpleasant, some are incompetent, but most are just regular people doing the best they can.

Our current system, far from being "rooted in corruption", is actually one of the least corrupt systems on the planet. We just have to get off our lazy asses and make sure we shine some light into the corners of that system. Campaign finance reform is needed, and I wish I had a fool-proof method to ensure that those who enter political life are able to represent their constituents without whoring themselves out to the highest bidder, but that's a problem for the ages and we're not the first ones to try to fix it. One suggestion I have is that any “fund raiser” where an elected official is essentially selling face time must be open to the press. Do you have any suggestions on how to fund elections and limit donations to politicians?

One thing everyone can do that never seems to be stressed enough is to learn the names of your state and federal Senators and Representatives, and make it a point to stay in touch with them. Call or write regularly to make your opinions known. One person can't make much difference doing this, but if our elected officials' constituencies constantly hold their feet to the fire on specific issues, they may pay slightly more attention to what the people back home want, and maybe marginally less to what the lobbyists are asking for. I would honestly be very interested in knowing how many people who are posting here started out by making their comments and/or complaints to their Congressional reps? A relative recently told me that she was so mad about what Congress was doing about something that she wrote to Bill O’Reilly about it. I expect this is pretty typical—we start venting on the internet and totally forget that that is not the first place we should go to try to make any impact on what our government is doing!

[-] 2 points by RightsOfMan (45) from Brownsville, TX 2 years ago

I write my representatives. I have probably written 6 or 8 times to no apparent reaction.

Most recently while living in Arkansas I wrote U.S. Senator Mark Pryor who me that "Senatorial courtesy" meant he would leave the issue for member from Texas (where I was moving in 3 months). I then wrote my anticipated U.S. Rep. in Texas (Ruben Hinojosa), who asked me to verify where I would be living (it wasn't firm) and apparently I was a county outside of his constituency, so he said he was going to forward it to U.S. Rep. Blake Farenthold (the issue raised related to problems relating to health care). I never heard from Rep. Farenthold.

I have since learned that Rep. Farenthold has made a name for himself opposing health care reform. No wonder he never replied.

Aside from the fact that concerns are passed around like hot potatoes and that direct communication is likely worthless there is one other thing I learned from all this...

I ended up waiting tables in a restaurant in the same building as Farenthold's office and his staffers are horrible (less than 10%) tippers! Talk about voting with your pocketbook.

Do you think I'll ever waste my time writing a politician again?

[-] 1 points by freedomofspeech (5) 2 years ago

To catsass, you say you have worked for government employees,local,state and federal. Ok but I will bet anything that it wasnt anybody from our Congrees or House of representatives huh? So you want to come on here and tell people that you know first hand that their not corrupt. Well I also know people that work in all fields of regular government and no their not corrupt either. We and everyone else are talking about our corrupt Congress and Presidents and their administrations. Our political system is so corrupt and you sit here and tell us we should write our Senators. Get a grip,we can write them 100 times a day and they dont give a s#$t what we have to say unless we have millions to pay them off. That is how they work. They get paid to make the laws to help the 1% out and screw us 99%. Isnt it kind of ironic that when our Senators are first elected,they arent rich,they dont own million dollar homes at first but after a year or 2, all the sudden they have millions in the bank and live in million dollar homes,own 2 or 3 homes,etc, all off there $150,000 a year. I would like to know how anybody making only $150,000 a year can own such homes and have such a huge bank account in 20 yrs much less just a few. Its called corruption. Please dont come on here and try to tell us 99% that our top government isnt corrupt and all we need to do is write someone and just vote. We have been doing that thing for years now and it doesnt work. Why? Because they are corrupt.... So catsass,why dont you stay off here and start writing your letters to all of our senators and see how far you get ok and stop trying to blow smoke up our asses. We know better. The only thing that can come close to stopping this insane corruption is exactly what Occupy Wallstreet is doing and the rest of OWS across our country and the world. Its called a revolution and the people finally standing up and speaking,showing that we will not take it any longer. This is our right and for us and our children and the rest of our generations,so you get to writing and we will stand and fight... God Bless us 99% and we will prevail. Stand,Unite and Fight!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

everyday, there is a new SEC judgement in millions or even billions of dollars against one of the banks for committing fraud yet no one goes to jail. And this to you is not corrupt. This country is nothing but corporate corruption at every level and especially at the stock exchange. I have traded my own stocks everyday for thirt years, watch the financial news morning noon and night. If you think they are not corrupt, you are not paying attention. Wide spread fraud is still taking place in the mortgage industry.Here is the FBI reporting mortgage fraud in 2004. Bush's justce department actually prevented 18 ststes from doing anything to stop it.

FBI 2004 mortgage fraud

http://www.bing.com/search?q=FBI+2004+mortgage+fraud&go=&qs=n&sk=&sc=1-23&form=QBRE

FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic' BANK FRAUD

September 17, 2004|From Terry Frieden CNN Washington Bureau http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-17/justice/mortgage.fraud_1_mortgage-fraud-mortgage-industry-s-l-crisis?_s=PM:LAW

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

everyday, there is a new SEC judgement in millions or even billions of dollars against one of the banks for committing fraud yet no one goes to jail. And this to you is not corrupt. This country is nothing but corporate corruption at every level and especially at the stock exchange. I have traded my own stocks everyday for thirt years, watch the financial news morning noon and night. If you think they are not corrupt, you are not paying attention. Wide spread fraud is still taking place in the mortgage industry.Here is the FBI reporting mortgage fraud in 2004. Bush's justce department actually prevented 18 ststes from doing anything to stop it.

FBI 2004 mortgage fraud

http://www.bing.com/search?q=FBI+2004+mortgage+fraud&go=&qs=n&sk=&sc=1-23&form=QBRE

FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic' BANK FRAUD

September 17, 2004|From Terry Frieden CNN Washington Bureau http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-17/justice/mortgage.fraud_1_mortgage-fraud-mortgage-industry-s-l-crisis?_s=PM:LAW

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

finally, i have found some intelligence

[-] 1 points by IChowderDown (110) from Dallas, TX 2 years ago

So you don't have Corruption? So all the bailouts, unwarranted wars (people lives), Fraud, laundry money, drugs on war, bonus payouts, pork barrels, black money, Bankers immunity, fraudulent foreclosures, Billion in War Contracts, exuberant amount of Federal Reserve missing 9 Trillions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJqM2tFOxLQ "computers that stored accounting back up data were destroyed the very next day in Building 7 of the World Trade Center and the original data stored in the Pentagon exactly where the "plane crashed" into, which was destroyed the same day. The Figure around 2.3 Trillion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7uDkKKmDw 6 Billion Dollars Flown Into Iraq By U.S. Military! "Believed To Be Stolen! BILLIONS Of U.S. Dollars Funding The Opposition In Afghanistan! Approx 25% of the total budget dollars a year goes into Black Budget operations every year and the pentagon can't account for it. We could make a list as big as the deficit. But reading all the others, you'd lose interest and forget everything? So you don't have Corruption?

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

Let's take a breath. The entire federal budget (income) is about $2.5 trillion, I believe. So the idea that "2.7 trillion dollars a year goes into Black Budget operations every year and the pentagon can't account for it." is a bit farfetched, don't you think? Not to mention that most of those black ops are very effective activities that increase our security, and do no harm to civilians.

[-] 1 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Dude just because your job is cool with you doesnt mean most people's jobs dont SUCK. You wanna be a prostitute, drug dealer, mcdonalds dishwasher, or just plain unemployed?? And dont come back with some BS cop out like "Well those people should just get a job/try harder" The FACT is even if everyone went out to get a job tomorrow and really applied themselves THERE AINT ENOUGH JOBS to go around and we're STILL losing jobs. "least corrupt systems on the planet": utter idiocy, WTH kind of metrics are you using bro? I'de like a source for that rabble. And why is your opinion on farming the BE ALL END ALL, some people enjoy farming and "living off the land" very much. Stop being so know-it-all and pompous, cause your putting people off, on purpose or on accident I don't know.. -_-

And just want to add something about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism. What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!! We've been BLEEDING OUT since 1913, you all know what happened then. So please stop bashing capitalism and don't listen to the people that do cause they either don't know what they're talking about or they're trying to decieve you, IMHO. Look out for those protagonists/anarchists!

[-] 2 points by urbanfirefly (5) 2 years ago

@sm707 What?!?! How can you blame Socialism for "giving away money" to the big Corporations? True Capitalism is economic anarchy. Seriously, you must have mixed up Socialism with some kind of SUPER Captalism. I mean, if things are as I've perceived, the corporations of America practically own the government, and therefore the people. You do realize that Socialism means high taxes for everybody, and very high taxes for high income earners/corporations (i.e. if you have an income of 15000$/month, you pay over 50% taxes, Sweden). It also means that the people own the government, because the Government have to give free healthcare, and up to university education, to every single citizen (Swedish students even get payed for studying at college/university, it doesn't matter if you're from a high status, high income family in the finer neighborhoods of Stockholm, or if you're from a family of cleaners or paramedics, you just need the grades).

Socialism DOESN'T give away money to the big Corporations, it gives it to those who need it! You said that those who are bashing Capitalism doesn't know what they're talking about, would you please give me two arguments that demonstrates how Capitalism is superior to Socialism where it concerns the "99%". And don't say "low prices at Walmart"! Anyone who feels like sm707 is very welcome to answer!

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

If Socialism asks for high taxes do they also ask for high wages?

[-] 2 points by urbanfirefly (5) 2 years ago

@GeorgeWashington. Yeah. I took cleaners and paramedics as examples above because these are considered to be really low status, and low salary jobs i Sweden. Working in a home for the elderly as a paramedic (no college/university education needed) will give you a monthly salary of no less than $2400, and a tax rate of 33% leaves you with $1600 per month. This is the salary you will get if you don't have very high ambitions (+ 4-5 weeks payed holiday every year). And as I mentioned before, university education doesn't cost anything, so you doesn't have to save lots and lots of money every month to be able to send your children to college (you get a student grant of $380 and a beneficial student loan of $900 per month if you study full time). The border between "working class" and "middle class" is as good as dissolved.

The benefits of Capitalism (since no one came up with any arguments ;) ) from my point of view is that technology, medicine and many other areas develop very fast, if wasn't for the American Capitalism we might not have had smartphones in quite a while. It's an "artificial natural selection" for companies, so that every company does its best to produce as high quality product as possible, at an as low as possible cost. What we have to do is consider the consequences. I.e. low price products bring down the salaries of the working class. Instead of packing the food in the U.S. it is sent across the pacific and back again because the Chinese can pack it cheaper than the Americans. Well, the examples are innumerous.

The Social democrats, which was the major party in the parliament before the Moderates, has a slogan:

"No one left behind" ("Alla ska med")

The social security net is almost as tight as it can be. You can't become a homeless person unless You choose to. You will never get thrown out of a hospital because of insurance companies. And You will never have to work three jobs at the same time to be able to feed Your children.

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Socialism HAS TO give money to the corporations to "create jobs" or "save jobs". Socialism is such a weak system against corruption its not even funny. Maybe in a thousand years we can pull it off but trying to implement it now would just be insane.

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Jesus man just step out of your paradigm and think about it. If the "people" own the corporations then the government runs them. I'm sure much of that money is used to spend on the new companies. So from my perspective, Soccialism is easier to corrupt and once you do, you have everything! And Capitalism is not even supposed to have corporations, they are technically illegal except because of some court rulings, and we didn't until around the same time the Fed was created, and income tax. If you wanted to be incorporated in the past you used to get a charter by proving and explaining how it would do the public good.

[-] 1 points by urbanfirefly (5) 2 years ago

I shall be humble then! It's very interesting what you say but I still don't agree. You say that USA is a Socialism because the government gives money to corporations? First of, could you clarify if it's to already well established or small newly established, to economically wealthy or unwealthy corporations or to corporations in general? If the government gives money to a corporation that risks bankruptcy to save jobs, then I dare say it is in the interest of the worker. And could you explain in more detail how this leads to easier corruption?

Also, what do you mean by "I'm sure much of that money is used to spend on the new companies"? Yes, I think especially small countryside companies can apply for federal grants. This is a way of decentralizing companies from the bigger cities. So that it becomes more attractive to start a company on the countryside to create more jobs for the people living there.

*reminder, all my examples are from Sweden if I don't say otherwise

And just a clarification from my side: the companies that are owned by the state still have their own boards, but yes, one could probably say that the government runs these companies (I'm not sure about the linguistic difference between "corporation" and "company"). The majority of the companies are private owned, they aren't run by the government, but they have to follow the rules/guidelines/laws that the government sets up.

The core of Socialism is social security, welfare, and political rights for the people (majority in the working class). It builds on a trust that the government will act responsibly and for the better good of the people. The rules and laws we follow are characterized by these ideas. Unlike the US, there are still several different parties in the parliament, so you really do a difference even if you don't vote for one of the major two parties.

I had no idea corporations were illegal in the US. Do you still get these charters and explain how you will do the public good, when you start a new corporation? I really wonder what the Coca Cola Company, and weapon manufacturing corporations wrote... (Yeah, I'm being a bit sarcastic, but not at you sm707)

My point is, if you look at the statistics, social democracies in general have better healthcare, better education, and happier people. You look up a game called "The prisoner's dilemma", it explains quite well the idea of Socialism.

I really still don't agree that the US is a Socialism. You're basing it on some kind of idea that the core of Socialism is to give away money to corporations, and that that is what Socialism is all about. Please, look up the statistics and compare (preferably not on the webpages of the Republicans, Democrats, Fox or Michael Moore, if they have something to say about it, I think they might be a bit biased).

If you've gotten this far, I'm impressed, this turn out to quite a lot of text ;)

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Probably the best example is that we DO HAVE the 99% and that isn't all bad.

[-] 0 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

Wow look who's calling who pompous. The man is mostly correct, and yes this is one of the least corrupt nations on earth. Open your eyes to the world around you. The basic rule of thumb in this world is bribary. We don't have to bribe our cops or our officials in gov't to get the things we need as everyday citizens. That just doesn't happen in many places. And yes the job market is tuff, but for those willing to hustle, they are there.

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 2 years ago

So, we shouldn't have to settle and take this from our government.

[-] 2 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

take what? I don't like the idea of crony-capitalism, as a matter of fact i abhor it. If you hate corruption in high places get rid of the high places, you don't make a thousand more high places for little kings to rule their little kingdoms, and make friends with the powerful, right?

There are so many people who are just purely uneducated about how gov't and economies work. Please, i beg you, start to read about economics and history. Start to inform yourself. Some very good intellectual arguments against socialism/communism is in every history book worth it's name. Also try and read F.A. Hayek "The Road to Serfdom" or read some von Mises, he destroys socialism and any other collectivist society point by point.

[-] 1 points by ttmmhh1 (16) 2 years ago

wow!!!! this conversation got off track real fast. what happened? did someone drop something shiny? listen, don't let the ankle-biters distract you with esoteric conversations about socialism or bootstrap/trickle-down economics. stay focused on those who caused this systemic debacle and let those who are lost (like 1capitalist) find their own way.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

Yes focus on those most responsible. Exactly my point, gov't. Fannie and Freddie. The policies of low income housing for those who can't afford it and then given the financial backing of the gov't. These policies only played to well into the hands of those who know how to make money. I don't know how old you are, but in the 80s, it was hard for most people to get a loan for a home. This was attacked and ridiculed by those on the left as discriminatory and racist (for the obvious reasons that liberals always point to as some kind of justification), so the gov't imposed standards on banks that they had to give mortgages to a certain percentage of low income/minority communities. Well at first the banks hated this, but then they realized there was much money to be made especially when those mortgages were backed with the full faith and credit of Uncle Sam. Bubble...Burst.

Same with student loans. When the Fed's got into the business of handing out student loans to those who couldn't afford them and or shouldn't have received them based on scholastic merit they created an artificial market, a bubble. The laws of supply and demand took over and the rise in tuition costs began. We will have another bust because of this.

States should be left alone to decide if they want to loan monies to their citizens to go to state schools.

And by the way, a nice little fact. Reagan's policies set off a period of growth in this country that was historical and unmatched. Between the time he took office to the time of the crash (which was helped along by the Fed's) the U.S. had the longest and largest growth in American history.

That is a FACT, one even liberals have to grudgingly admit too.

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Dude your PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, left-right arguments don't have a place in our society right now, classical liberals and true conservatives are BOTH getting the shaft right now. Its getting old. Besides, the comment about Reagan like he was the best president EVAR is lame. Yeah the corps did great and some trickled down, but his financial policy was shit, and he ended up being a puppet in the end anyway.

Would you go do some serious thought before continuing to just rattle on and on nonsensically.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

A puppet? that is quite the implication.

No ranting, serious is as serious does Gump.

And I never said he was the best president ever, you did, I said that Since 1980 The US had its largest expansion in jobs and growth then ever before in its history.

That is a fact. You don't like it, tough, go beat your drums in bongo park and plant your radical gardens.

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

Have you been to any third world country? We may have the most corruption in terms of dollars, but our system is basically sound.

[-] 1 points by The1capitalist (87) 2 years ago

I believe we agree with each other, do we not?

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

Looks like we agree on a lot.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Been to Mexico several times. You could not pay me to back there today. I love America and for the most part - all of it. There are "bad apples" in our society but we have a means of taking care of them other than riots in the street - thank you America.

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

you right wingers love to compare us to third world countries. We don't want to be a third world country. compare us to canada, germany france, all do better for the social safety nets and for their workers.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

you, you, you, you, you, you

Barbara555, you sound like one of my grandchildren. Everything you don't agree with is "you" and any thing you agree with is "we". Great way to set yourself aside. Do you mean "better" by way of money spent, by % of GNP, just what do you mean.

I am aware that some countries do better for the social safety nets for their workers. I may be one of your "right wingers" but my personal preference is more power to the individual and their rights and responsibilities than I am for the creation of more social safety nets. But, every person to their own preferences right. Not to call any names as you did but you:

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Why not both? Why can't the individual work for the greater good of the group (taxes, infrastructure) while the group works for the greater good of the individual (social servces, personal liberties)? If it's one or the other, someone is left out, as in all zero-sum games, which is a ludicrous way to divide a nation.

[-] 1 points by luvcuffed (28) 2 years ago

I (a 99%er) do not allow the President of my country to make any more back room deals. He was elected to represent me as a Citizen of these great United States. He promised to make my government transparent. I expect him to do the job that he was hired to do. No more deals, Mr. President. Those that have stolen from the middle class and under-privileged should be held accountable the same as any other Citizen of the United States. I do not accept any back room deals. As my hired President I do not approve any back room deals with these criminals. Do your job, Mr. President, or face the lines for unemployment just as the rest of the people have had to do.

[-] 1 points by Fixamerica69 (2) 2 years ago

RonPaul is OWS' largest supporter NOT Obama.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

They are both the problem - any statement emphasising one over the other is by nature partisan interest and not conducive to solutions. The place to begin is Wall Street and not directly against the government because some legals sytem is required to not only make those involved in the fraud that caused and maintain the ecoomic crisis, but to make change so that such a thing can not happen again. Currently too many people have a beneficial stake in fraudulent territory and so it's hard because there ends up being very few people one CAN trust in. So it must begin with Wallstreet and when the connections are made clear, the lawyers should move in. This in itself is a process which is corruptible, as most are - but it is a first step.

[-] 1 points by TheWave (4) 2 years ago

So you would say let the Republican Tea Party take over in 2012? We would be much better off?

[-] 1 points by zygarch (83) 2 years ago

To begin with, there are already groups mobilizing to enact change. Anyone who has not already signed the following petitions, please do so:

To get money out of politics: http://www.getmoneyout.com

To repeal corporate "personhood": http://movetoamend.org

To bypass the two-party system, visit: www.americanselect.org

And of you're really serious and go here: http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/

As a reward, you can check out this HOT video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k5kHACjrdEY

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

I need to look into this corporate personhood more. Why? Because there were apparently problems that corporate personhood solved, and I think for the subsequent problems it's created it needs to be changed, but we must look at the details of what problems it actually solved and make sure we're not throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. Same with lobbyism - there are some good things that lobbyism can achieve too - though the bribery and insane amounts that corporations can spend to drown out the voices of small communities obviously has to change, and I would prefer a more direct participation in our democratic procedure. Rarely does any politician accurately represent me no matter who is in office.

[-] 1 points by laidoffworker03 (5) 2 years ago

I totally agree. We should boycott both democratic, and republican convetions, and when they come to town on their so called campaign trails, run them out of town.

[-] 1 points by wdwgrotb (28) 2 years ago

HEAR HEAR ...............now were thinking with our brains where dose it start Washington,or some pizza guy,gun toting texan, a upper crusty Boston I'll just build a bigger house butt head,a brunette that dyed her hair ( it used to be blond) a fat guy who cheated on his wife who's next ? Ah America I think. Until we get someone in office that thinks of Americans before he thinks of other countries we are on the verge of becoming a reasonable facsimile of a third world country.........then there will be China

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

No we should not stomp on the even sheeple's rights. We should convert them!

[-] 1 points by jeffjoseph (10) 2 years ago

Obama is No Better Than Bush (NBTB) I dont think OWS should push for an Independent Third Party @ this time but to consider it in the near future. First we need Publicly funded elections I don't know the best way to do that I just know it must be done.

[-] 4 points by lbcpunk (4) 2 years ago

You don't need publicly funded elections. You just need to get special interest money out of elections. If individuals are dedicated to a candidate they should be able to put their money up to help the candidate succeed. If this was done, we wouldn't have had Bush, we wouldn't have had Obama, and Ron Paûl / Gary Johnson would be the Republican frontrunners right now instead of the establishment candidates Cain and Romney.

[-] 2 points by jeffjoseph (10) 2 years ago

You may be right if no one could contribute more than $ 100 Dollars Max.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

And money under the table?

[-] 1 points by jeffjoseph (10) 2 years ago

Another good reason for publicly funded elections.

[-] 1 points by wdwgrotb (28) 2 years ago

I hear ya and no stumping for over a year just to get your message across ....what the help is the internet for anyway............stop all of this bouncing around the country do it the cheapest way mass e-mails not enormous airplane bills.We think about the gas it will cost us just to go to the grocery store what do you think it cost for jet fuel .........stop the waste

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

Thank you..it's an atrocity!

[-] 1 points by jeffjoseph (10) 2 years ago

Guess what the fuel cost is for Air Force 1. 50-100,000 Dollars per hour. And Obama uses it for trips as short as 200 Miles when the Air Force has a few dozen executive jets at the same base as AF-1 I'm an USAF vet. Eighty Three cents of every gallon of gas U buy goes to WS Speculators.

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Yeah that would work, I have been leaning for publicly funded but I had never thought of that idea.. :)

[-] 0 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

If Ron Pauul is so great why did he run a racist newsletter for years?

[-] 2 points by PincheCabron (131) 2 years ago

He didn't. A misguided racist campaign worker was putting out a newsletter that Paul did not see. Paul has disavowed the statements in that newsletter and if that isn't good enough for you, then you may as well ask every politician living why they haven't disavowed every act committed in their name that they did not approve of.

[-] 2 points by LetsGoOaklandLetsGo (2) 2 years ago

And while we're on the topic of racism, it should be pointed out the Ron Lawl is one of our few politicians with the guts to call out the Drug War as "racist."

[-] 0 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

Isn't Ron Lawl opposed to the Civil Rights Act of 1964? To be so ignorant of history really makes me wary of a Republican like Ron Lawl. Sorry but its pretty hard for me to give a Republican the benefit of the doubt on race issues these days. I don't really buy that excuse about the racist newsletter either. I don't know about you but if there was a news letter bearing my name I might want to keep up to date on what it was saying. It's not like there was just one news letter, there was a lot over a long period of time. At minimum it shows Ron Lawl has poor judgement. (hiring extremely racist staffers) Pretty hard to trust a millionaire congressman like Ron Lawl. If he wanted to show he really cared about the people he would be trying to raise taxes on the richest 1% to get this country back on the right track. My taxes have gone up as this country has suffered. I wish millionaires like Ron Lawl would pay their fair share as well.

[-] 3 points by reddy2 (256) 2 years ago

@nonsense, are you serious?

RonPaul has more integrity and honesty in his little finger than all the rest of congress combined. He won't be bought by banksters Takes zero money from Wall St. Refuses to meet with lobbyists. The list goes on and on and on.

Please name any other person in congress with a comparable constitutional voting record? Who voted against the patriot act? Who votes against undeclared wars? etc etc etc

Do 5 mins of research and you will know 100% he is NOT racist in any way shape or form. He has thoroughly explained his opposition to the civil rights act and it has NOTHING to do with racism.

If all member's of congress were as humble and accountable to the people as this man, America would not be in dire straits. You have obviously become too used to the 'business as usual' politicians that say one thing and do another.

[-] -1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

I have researched Ron Lawl and obviously I know more about him than you do. The fact is he ran a racist newsletter for a long time. The racist newsletter was called the Ron Lawl newsletter and it was terrible. Ron Lawl can say he isn't racist but he opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and ran a racist a newsletter for years. If that isn't racist what is it? If Ron Lawl is so honest why does he make up a bullshit story about his newsletter? Ron Lawl wasn't publishing that newsletter as some innocent kid, he was publishing it as an adult who was in his 40s or 50s. It wasn't one sort of shocking statement, it was month after month of racist evil spewing. I can't trust a person who put his name on that kind of trash. Since you know so much about Ron Lawl did you know he is a millionaire? As a millionaire he never ever votes against his economic self interest. He never votes to make the rich pay their fair share. He voted for the Bush tax cuts which proves he doesn't know anything about the economy. Sure he voted against TARP but does he do anything to help make sure the richest 1% have to pay their fair share? As the Occupy Wall Street people protest in the streets Ron Lawl is up in the boardroom making sure Wall Street knows he will never raise their taxes or ask them to sacrifice for the good of the country. Ron Lawl supports corporate spending in elections. Ron Lawl supports lowering taxes on the rich. He isn't on the people's side. Like all Republicans he is on the side of millionaires. After all he is a millionaire. Let's see if the Ron Lawl fan knows where Ron Lawl made his money? Riddle me that batman.

[-] 2 points by GeorgeMichaelBluth (402) from Arlington, VA 2 years ago

Happy 12th birthday. I hope Ronald McDonald house take you out for the day.

[-] -1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

Also your insult is incredibly stupid. Since I disagree with you I'm a sick child? Do you even know what the Ronald McDonald house does? You probably meant to imply I'm stupid or something. Honestly your insult game is weak. You need to improve it like most things in your life. I can tell from your crappy insult you pretty much suck at life. You need to improve buddy. You should change your screen name because I refuse to believe anyone that has actually watched Arrested Development could be both brain dead and suck so bad at insults.

[-] -1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

I love that you can't actually defend Ron Pauul so you immediately move to insults. See in my response I cite things called facts and I ask people to respond to them. Obviously you can't counter these terrible facts about Ron Lawl with anything resembling logic or reason so you immediately move to insults. Really Ron Lawl is a pretty typical Republican in the fact he is a total con man. Just another millionaire tricking stupid bigots into voting for a millionaire who will do everything he can to represent the economic interests of other millionaires.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

It's a fact he published the newsletter. It's a fact he doesn't vote to increase taxes on millionaires like himself. It's a fact he doesn't know anything about the economy because he voted for the Bush Tax Cuts. Where are your facts? You just tell me he is for the people, you don't prove it. You just say he is racist but your excuse is idiotic. Ron Lawl is just another Republican con artist that is just fine with how much influence corporations have thanks to Citizen's United.

[-] 1 points by PincheCabron (131) 2 years ago

You "facts" include baseless smears loaded with terms like "racist", "bullshit story", claims that he knows nothing about the economy, claims that he "isn't on the people's side", and a number of slurs insinuating that because he had the foresight to invest in gold (when it was cheap) which turned him into a millionaire, he is somehow dishonest.

LOL! "Facts" can be a funny thing when filtered through a dishonest lens.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

First we write in on the ballot" None of the Above..Give New Options". Repair the system and vote for those truly dedicated to representing the People.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

I would have no problem with that idea. Some countries call it a vote of no confidence and I would like to see it as an option in a few places in this country. But how about a requirement that a minimum of 75% of the registered votesrs MUST cast a ballot in an election for any candidate to be considered the winner by a majority.. The way it is now, we as citizens can sit on our fat a____and not vote and any candidate can win an election by a majority of one.

Example - voted in any school bond elections recently. If only the school staff votes, the bond carries. We are not carrying our responsibilities as citizens to exercise our rights TO vote.

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

No doubt about that. The Obama administration has taken bold-faced Orwellian lying to new levels. They are so in bed with wall street that it should get and X rating.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Should balance that out with the Bush administration too. In fact, all of the "Get rid of Obama!" comments instead of "Get money out of politics" just shows an uneccesary partisan bias. It's about getting rid of corruption, not getting your guy into office.

[-] 0 points by queenann (-220) from New Rochelle, NY 2 years ago

well said.. work to get rid of Barack.... USA couldn't get much worse than him. worst president in history....also weak and destructive like Carter

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

No, they are th symptom, Wall St. is the problem. Otherwise I agree completely.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

It's a question of degree. Our elected representatives in Washington are supposed to represent us, not the wealthy banking lobby. Public officials betray our trust when they succumb to avaricious bankers who persuade them to harm Main Street by repealing Glass-Steagall, not enforcing the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to protect us against fraud in the marketplace, allowing the U.S. Justice Department to sit on its hands while the bankstas go free, using taxpayer money to bailout their buddies on Wall Street, and appointing Wall Street flunkies as Chairman of the Federal Reserve and Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. All of these things and more are result of traitorous perfidy by elected politicians. That isn't to say the wise guys, who litter our banking system and reap the largesse of Washington sellouts, are not worthy targets of public outrage. They certainly are. No one likes douche bags that rip-off common people backed up by bought-off politicians. Nobody.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

Prison For Bankstas

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

All right, we're essentially on the same page here.

[-] 0 points by wdwgrotb (28) 2 years ago

I think bush had a friend he loaned 700 billion to so they could avert the fall of I mean the collapse of America what a joke. New boss same as the old boss,get rid of any one who has been in office more than two terms, get rid of the lobbyists and voila problem solved and if they even try to be friends with big business fire their ass simple as that.

[-] 1 points by luvcuffed (28) 2 years ago

I don't agree with only two terms...not if the person doing the job does it well and does it for the people. I do believe in citizen reviews on an annual basis. If someone is not doing the job that they were hired to do then they should be fired. In this age of computers it is beyond me why they can't be used for Citizen reviews of our government officials.

[-] 3 points by jomojo (562) 2 years ago

I hope this march is successful. It's been a Nantucket economy sleigh ride for the "system", who thinks they are Moby Dick. Backroom deals have got to stop.

[-] 2 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

you should have people specifically debating on important news sites. The tea party are all over these pages. I mean, it's great to talk amongst yourselves but you want to attract other people to the cause, right??

Please OWS, go to the comment pages of WP, NYT, and Politico. Our views are underrepresented there:

http://thehill.com/

http://www.politico.com/

http://www.rawstory.com/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/

[-] 2 points by OldCrow (22) 2 years ago

Now this is more like it. The Democrats deserve as much "attention" from OWS movement as Republicans because the only difference between them most of the time is rhetoric. Good for OWS. They would do an even bigger service to the 99% if they went after the Deficit "super" committee. That committee is pure and brutal class warfare, the 1% against everyone else. Nothing good will come out of it because it is stacked with right wingers and blue dogs and it's marching orders are to attack all federal spending that helps the 99%.

[-] 2 points by christyimages (3) 2 years ago

Sorry, but I think you're making a mistake by getting in Obama's face. I have supported your cause and it has been working in terms of getting a lot of support from people of all ages. You are foolish if you actually think you're now going to "force" a political system into your hands and turn it on its ear this quickly. Be patient and request that Obama make his choice. You are about to lose a lot of support. The strength of this movement has been in its peacefulness. You have gained support from all age groups. I am now not liking what I'm seeing: advising people to break laws and behave EXACTLY the way you want banks and Wall St. to STOP acting. Are you serious? You are going to see a Republican get elected into the White House in 2012. Remember these words... I have been to Zuccotti Park twice to support you all and have a masters degree in education. I can tell you, you will lose a ton of support from a HUGE group of people who do not want to behave as the corporate raiders have. Step back a bit, my friends, or are you just being the same human beings capable of powermongering you blame your foes of?

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Disagree. Obama has shown his true colors. Just because he can put together an intelligible sentence more reliably than his predecessor has not stopped him from pissing on the Constitution with his military intervention in Libya and his ordering the assassination of 3 American citizens in Yemen.

Should "accountability in government" rightly be thought a fundamental lacking underlying all manner of dissent raised by "Occupy" movements across the nation, then an aggressive petitioning campaign directed at Congress demanding Articles of Impeachment be brought against President Obama presents a very focused objective offering redress of a wide range of issues that, today, is leading thousands upon thousands of American citizens to take to the streets in protest.

And just so you know this suggestion is not personal, I also would support any call for Rep. Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment against both Bush and Cheney to be resurrected.

Take down the marionettes, bye bye string pullers.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

0bama can't put together an intelligble sentence. He reads off of a teleprompter. When he tries to speak without one he's a mess. 0bama is now bypassing congress . Did you know that burried in 0bama care ( written by the dems) is a provision that gives the federal govt the right to take money out of your bank accounts by wire transfers?

[-] 1 points by jk1234 (257) 2 years ago

It is not a lefty righty issue, I think the following is self-explanatory: “This is a clear, moral issue that cuts to the core of why we occupy,” said Max Berger, an Occupy Wall Street participant helping to plan the event. “Instead of throwing corrupt bankers in jail, the administration is pushing to give them a get-out-of jail-free card.”

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Moral issues require a moral solution. (Wars, takeovers, destruction, lawless advocates, redistribution of anyone's stuff, etc are really not moral issues). These are cultural issues. Resistance to the OWS cries is more a refusal to see any improvement being recommended to the overall culture of America either today or tomorrow as a result of all the complaints and the many out front representing the greedy protesting the greedy.

What is your recommended solutions to the maintenance of the American culture and the weeding out the those moral elements that are pitting citizen against citizen.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Your movement has no movement until you can isolate those who are along for the ride - basically the greedy who are protesting greed. That is why you have more points of complaint than grandma after the head on with the train. You have complaints about educational loans, about sustainability, about corporations, about big banks, about little banks, about the 1% and those that don't support you from the 99%, the weather, global warming, global cooling, and on and on.

This simply gives me one big headache when I even try to read to much less discern, what you are all about. I am sorry, but if I had to summarize in one word. Your goal seems to be to let everyone; "COMPLAIN"

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Awesome! This is, indeed, part of OWS - is to give people a voice to air their grievances. Part of the problem is making people aware there IS a problem and give them the tools to let them work out for themselves what has been happening. So much of it is economic mumbo jumbo to so many people - and much of those people simply parrot the talking points of whatever their political media feeds them. it's not that they don't want to think for themselves - it's that they've never been given the opportunity to see why it is a superior experience. OWS is the conduit for these grievances - for people who cannot turn to their governement OR big corporations to help them.

[-] 2 points by masterandcommander (9) 2 years ago

Can't complain about you guys trashing Obama!

[-] 2 points by tr289 (916) from Chicago, IL 2 years ago

Blaming Obama is the easy thing to do. I'm not defending him in anyway !!! I'm just trying to point out that he is just another broken politician working inside a broken system / Government.

[-] 2 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

They ALL are - the time for names is over.

[-] 2 points by BuddhaRyan (2) 2 years ago

R.O.N P.A.U.L for pres. 2012

[-] 2 points by TheTaoTeChange (2) from Atlanta, GA 2 years ago

Are you people really suggesting an all-out revolution or having congress completely lose their jobs? What do you suppose we do then? Another Reign of Terror? I am anti-Wall Street but that is not what this country needs. We need realistic solutions, such as only pubic campaign funds/donations. That would ensure that anyone can run, and may help dismantle the two party system. If you demand too high than no one will listen to you. The law will laugh at you if you have this mob mindset. As a wise man said: But when you talk about destruction Don't you know you can count me out.

Please fully think of your ideas, and let reason shine through.

[-] 1 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 2 years ago

This is a good point to make when on this issue the problem isn't even the law - the problem is that when the law disagrees with the banks, the law is wrong and has to make amends!

[-] 1 points by NobodySpecial (3) 2 years ago

I personally would like to see political parties outlawed altogether. The simple truth is that if a candidate had to run strictly on their own ideals and agenda, without a big machine party dictating their platform and providing the financing, the candidate would have to convince a majority that they are the best choice, based on their own merits. They couldn't just hide behind a party line anymore by simply stating that "I'm a Democrat, or "I'm a Republican" and "this is what my party stands for", when confronted with difficult questions. They would actually be accountable for answering these questions solely by how they personally view them. Additionally, since voters (and registered party members) would no longer be able to dismiss holding candidates accountable for their individual beliefs and statements by just accepting the candidates statement that their views were the same as their party's, the voting public would actually have to be more engaged in the process to truly find out what an individual candidate stood for before casting their vote. Political parties only serve to make the voting public lazy by diminishing the responsibility of the individual voter to learn about their candidates for themselves by saying "oh...you're a Democrat?...then I already know what you stand for!".

I would also like to see a test (and license) developed for those who wanted to participate in the voting process, which would be required to pass before earning one's right to vote. It's funny...we require it from immigrants who want to become US citizens, but not from those of us who already live here. The sad truth is that, generally, the average immigrant knows far more about our country than "WE" do!
The test, similar to a drivers license test, would prove that a voting individual is "qualified" with a general understanding of what form of government we have (it's a Republic, NOT A DEMOCRACY), what our Constitution and Bill of Rights means, some general history of why our Founders chose the form of government they did, etc. This would be a course taught in one's senior year in high schools, similar to drivers education or health classes, where upon completion of the course, the student would be issued their voter's registration card. If a person chose not to participate, that would be their choice. However, they could not have a voice in the process and would have to live by the rules of others, due to their own choice to do so!

Thank you for the voice!

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

I agree there should not be a party system. In addition to the points made it also serves to divide rather than unite. We are the United States of America. With much more uniting to work toward.

[-] 1 points by prairiegrist (6) 2 years ago

Calm down...ok? People are mad right now. Go to the NYCGA website and click on the activities and groups to see what people are talking about and planning. It seems very thoughtful and intelligent and yes they are talking campaign finance reform etc. It will be a bumpy ride for awhile yet tho! Be patient and support your local Occupy and voice your concerns!

[-] 2 points by riethc (1149) 2 years ago

Obama = Bush's 3rd Term

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

You mean "Cheney's 3rd Term," right? George is still out to lunch.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

0bama =carters second term

[-] 0 points by Talentscout2323 (3) 2 years ago

Except bush lead in bad times...Obama creates more problems then blames everyone else. Bush owned his mistakes...Obama blames everyone except the one truly responsible....only one happy with Obama is Carter cuz it makes him only 2nd worst prez now

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

This is just someone who can't think out of the left-right paradigm. Bush was no better or worse a leader than Obama who is neither worse nor better than Bush. ALL the politicians have done their fair share of royaly screwing up our country from the inside out for their own gain in the end. Carter, just like all the rest, has good points and bad points. I suggest you go spend a month away from your friends, family, co-workers, clergy, and media, and dissassociate yourself from any loyalty to one crook over the other. Meditate. Feel at Peace.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

lol,. partisan much. "Bush owned his mistakes" really when? where?

"Obama = Bush's 3rd Term" is very correct. there is no difference, the two parties are just two wings of one corporatist party,. wealth rules,. currently and this is ending.

[-] 1 points by Talentscout2323 (3) 2 years ago

Try reading his book..g w realizes some of his decisions werent the best but he stands behind them...Obama crams his piece of crap healthcare plan thru then blames bush...he had both houses of congress and barely got that thru instead of focusing on jobs...then he lost control and now all of a sudden jobs are his priority? Wake up....bush tried to bring other countries up to our standard of living...Obama is trying to bring us down to his native Kenyan standard of living...sleep tight with that prospect

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

bush jr. was and is the idiot son of an evil fool. He "tried to bring other countries up to our standard of living" wow, just wow. How? by bombing them?? Obama has simply continued his policies,. "ObamaCare" is just a corporate giveaway,. making people buy private-for-profit insurance is fascism, not health care. (should have been universal health care) Bush took a surplus and made the largest deficit in world history,. which is no surprise,. you only have to look at the results of EVERY company he was ever in charge of,. they ALL went bankrupt! You live in a dream world,. bush tried to crash the economy that is what he does! There is money to be taken when bringing companies and countries down.,

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 2 years ago

They both suck.

[-] 2 points by Freeme (2) 2 years ago

STOP Big Banks from Blocking People's Access to their OWN MONEY.

Many of the things Big Banks are able to get away with are just plain criminal. One such thing is their ability to take all the money from any and all of your accounts and deny your access to it. And currently, they want you to think there is NOTHING you can do about it. I opened an account with Wells Fargo 4 months ago. I am a yoga teacher and have inconsistent and, at times, meager income. Because my account is new, any checks I put into it are held for at least 10 days. Long story short(er) I over drew my account with a Starbucks purchase of $4.15. The reason my account was low was due to a $12.50 charge the bank automatically subtracted when they transferred $25 from my savings to my checking to cover a purchase. It's a little fishy here since I had $130 in the account at the time and the purchase was for less than that.... but those are just minor details. The big surprise was that Wells Fargo could not only close my account after ONE overdraft but that they could then seize the $3,480 I had deposited the day after my overdraft and completely bar me from any access to it.
I noticed my account was closed when someone I had written a check to called me to tell me he couldn’t cash it because my account was closed. I was in the hospital at the time because my boyfriend had gotten in a motorcycle accident. When I called Wells Fargo they said they had decided I was a “risk” and were sending me a check with the total from my account and that it should reach me in a week. When the check never arrived, I called them back. They told me they had sent the check to my physical address because they “Don’t send mail to PO Boxes”. Now, I have a PO BOX because I am one of thousands of Americans that live in a town where mail delivery does not exist. I told the Wells Fargo employee that started my account this when I signed up but she said I had to give them my physical address as well as my PO Box to open the account. I was then told that I would have to wait for the check to return to them and then wait an additional 10 days for “processing” at which point they would reissue the check. This is ALL MY MONEY let’s remember. I asked them if they could just cancel the check and make the funds available to me at the branch. They said NO. I then asked them if they could just deposit the amount in my boyfriend’s account at Wells Fargo. They said NO. I tried to make them aware that this is all the money I have in the world and that it had already been over 10 days since they blocked my access to it and they literally said, sorry ma’am, this is the procedure. I must have called at least 5 times over the next week to check on the progress and see if maybe I could get a compassionate person on the phone that would help me. I was hung up on twice, denied every other time. Finally, 15 days later, I got someone on the phone that said they had received the returned check and that he could make the funds available to me if I call back in 48 hours. I called back in 48 hours. The woman that answered the phone told me that I was “Too Late” and that they had mailed the cashier’s check out to me AGAIN to the SAME ADDRESS. When I protested and attempted to point out their obvious mistake she hung up on me. I called back and the next person told me that I would have to wait until November 15th to call back and see if they would release the funds. WHAT? They closed my account on October 11th! So now, still, I have no access to my own money. I have called the corporate office. I have called the branch, the department, spoken to at least 9 people. No one will help me. They tell me now it’s “Too Early” to cancel the check and make my funds available to me at a branch. I have to wait.

[-] 1 points by catsass (1) 2 years ago

Sorry, this has nothing to do with OWS, but I have to address your problem with Wells Fargo. First mistake--you CALLED. After the first call without results, you have to start wallpapering the bank with a letter detailing exactly the problem and exactly the result you expect and the time frame you expect it in. Send the letter either with one of the overnight carriers so you have a record of who signed for it and when it was delivered, or by mail with a return receipt/signature required. Send copies of your letter to the state banking commission (Google for info). Make sure your letter is addressed to bank management, not just to a customer service representative. In your letter, do not give a telephone number—give your mailing address and your email address (so that you will have a written record). Don't take calls from the bank, let them go to VM and keep any messages you get. PS DON’T BE NASTY. Be nice, be business like, don't make accusations or ask for anything extra, just state the facts reasonably. Since you have already been getting nowhere for a while with phone calls, it can't hurt to change your method. This has been 100% successful for me in the past in doing business with large companies where a minor mistake or misunderstanding has turned a simple transaction into a goat rope. Also, once you have your money, RUN AWAY from the big chain banks no matter how conveniently located their branch is to your home/office. Find a local bank or better yet a credit union. Use them ONLY for transactions that you cannot easily use cash for--try to keep most of your transactions in cash so you ALWAYS know how much money you have and how much you are spending. Been doing this myself since 2007 and the turnaround in my financial health is pretty amazing. Best of luck to you!

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

And I bet you read the conditions of the account didn't you. I bank with a local bank and with BofA. I know the policies of each. I know how long to wait for a deposited check to clear, what the 3:00pm posting time means. etc etc.

I actually had a lady with a master's degree bounce a check on me once. Say it was my fault because the money was there when she wrote the check - I should have cashed it sooner.

Had another lady buy merchandise using a USGovernment check I am not sure she even got home before she called the treasury to report the check stolen and got another one. In the meantime, the money was taken out of my account and I lost both the money and the merchandise and that is the real story of a SUCCER and why I never took another one and most places don't take USGoverment checks today.

Moral of the story - I was the SUCCER - but only once.

[-] 2 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 2 years ago

Any "deal" is flat wrong, unjust, and must not stand!

One of the reasons that the OWS movement is gaining momentum, strength and followers is because when a large bank or other corporation -- which are not real persons regardless of what our Supreme Court says -- ends up defrauding, scamming, or outright stealing from an individual, or group of individuals, if they get caught they only end up paying a fine. Even if it is a big fine, say in the tens of millions of dollars, or hundreds of millions, it is just a cost of doing business. Unlike the poor working stiff who can't find a job and may end of stealing a loaf of bread to survive or feed his family. This guy could go to jail for years. If it is a third strike, it could mean life in jail.

No wonder our prisons are jammed with the most people of any country, on sheer volume of prisoners, and on a per capita basis. But few of those in prison are white collar criminals. Very few relative to the scale of the white collar crime problem.

It is complex, but part of it has to do with the fact that some "stealing" is legal because corporate lobbyists have twisted hands in Congress to write laws that legalize stealing. Loopholes. It is also a fact that few cops know how to catch the white collar criminal. But they can catch a low level street drug deal any time.

The sad fact is that America's Criminal Justice System has collapsed. Read an excellent new book on this topic titled "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice" by the late Harvard Law Professor William J. Stuntz. His book describes why we need to fix the justice system. Fix our laws. Fix our criminal processes.

We can't have Wall Street crooks let off the hook on a technicality, while we fill the jails and prisoners with people who have been coerced into pleading guilty -- mainly because the prosecutors have too much power.

The fact of the matter is that over ninety five percent of people who are sentenced for criminal acts never got a trial by their peers. Never got a jury trial. Never had a fair shot at the justice system. Why? Because the system is now rigged against them. The prosecutor has all the cards.

Read the Stuntz book! It should trigger an awakening about the lopsided justice system.

[-] 1 points by dissidenty (5) from Pittsburgh, PA 2 years ago

Good post. The slaps on the wrist that fraudulent corporations get is out of all proportion to the scale and the severity of their crimes. If corporations are just like people, then how come there is no 3-strike law for them to abide by? The gross inequity between how common individuals are treated compared to the corporations and their board members is a big part of the reason that OWS is growing.

[-] 0 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

yah, private prisons, they are building thousands more, they make $40,000+ per prisoner (from tax dollars) not to mention the $$ that is funneled into big pharma for "health care".

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

yep

[-] -1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

We know what the problem is, pass this message along to any and everyone, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those who in trying to preserve slavery had to find new ways to preserve it and so created an advanced form of slavery.

only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom and choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans themselves are realizing that they cannot sustain themselves under their current system of government.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

... and every attempt to preserve it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another. SO TRUE. That is the first rule of those in power: Divide and rule. The real magic is the invisibility of the powerful, like the wizard of Oz, and the projection of their status symbols we worship.

[-] 0 points by ross1975 (3) from LaCygne, KS 2 years ago

A great idea. That is one of the many things that needs to happen to get things in order. Just think what the G-20 asked obama today about what's going on in our country. These people know what the world plan is for making us all slaves for them.

[-] 1 points by anticorruption999 (3) 2 years ago

yet again hidden agents of corrupt government suppress legititimate complaint what is your problem with my response have you got somthing to hide and censor who are you working for corrupt gov or yourself as you are not really working in the public interest are you??????????? who are you monitoring this site the CIA??????

[-] 1 points by anticorruption999 (3) 2 years ago

why do you think the US and UK is not investigating THEIR OWN frauds who are not supposed to do any wrong who we elect not to be corrupt unbeknown to us are deceiving us as they make the law which enbables them to be corrupt which they are told to make by their fat furry friends to proift at our expense while they are immune from prosecution scrutiny and accountabilty of their own fraudulent treason and tyranical acts

[-] 1 points by anticorruption999 (3) 2 years ago

why do you think the US and UK is not investigating THEIR OWN frauds who are not supposed to do any wrong who we elect not to be corrupt unbeknown to us are deceiving us as they make the law which enbables them to be corrupt which they are told to make by their fat furry friends to proift at our expense while they are immune from prosecution scrutiny and accountabilty of their own fraudulent treason and tyranical acts

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I believe that if the laws of this land are not enforced, that if such widespread corruption and fraud is rewarded and not punished, then there will be no incentive not to engage in ever more widespread, ever more destructive, fraud against the people of this country.

Where bankers have violated the law, they must go to jail.

If the laws of this land are no longer enforced, then the only avenue toward justice left to the people goes by the name of

Vigilante.

[-] 1 points by patrickisready (5) 2 years ago

What a shame when our political leaders sold out America for financial gains.These Narcissists are cold blooded with out shame.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26034) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also exactly how did the bank bailout help anyone other than the criminals that caused the crash in the 1st place? Look at all of these foreclosed properties. The Banks were paid for them by the bailout and yet those who defaulted through no fault of their own lost those homes/properties. The properties were returned to the banks to be sold again ( whats wrong with this picture ).

Create sign and send petitions. The more inputs we have the better. http://occupywallst.org/forum/create-sign-and-send-petitions/

A site to submit issues have them collected, collated and submitted. www.lobbydemocracy.com

Contact the White house: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

Contact the senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Contact Congress: http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Contact the house of representatives: http://www.house.gov/htbin/findrep?ZIP=55433

Contact the Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourt.gov/

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[-] 1 points by prosperfireson (24) from Hollister, CA 2 years ago

Why do we love to lay blame? I do not believe that holding individuals accountable for actions that have been perpetrated numerous times by countless individuals for decades is particularly useful. We have been blaming people for their misdeeds (mostly rightly) and to what end? The behavior has not changed because we have not changed. If we want a different outcome we need a different approach otherwise we risk continuing the same insane behavior like Groundhog Day. We as a people are complicit in this. We are not victims. Recognition of a problem is the first, vital step. Finding a way to address systemic behavior that has been encouraged and nurtured over decades is not an easy fix but we can do this. Together we can find the solutions to address the complex, compound problem that is our nation. Therefore I say to you all be of good cheer and continue to lift up your spirits! Much hard work is before us and much sacrifice but once we start down the path of real, substantive, sustainable change there will be a synergy and an upwelling that rises like tsunami to wash away our travails and a new day will rise. All my best to all of you.

[-] 1 points by RonPaulistheonlyPeaceCandidate (1) 2 years ago

As long as this site continue to censor the content of it's contributors it will remain a hapless joke. You expect your right to free assembly to remain unabridged, you want to be heard, and yet you censor the rights of others to speak freely about the issues that concern them. For those who are unaware, there are candidates and public figures whose names won't even make it through the filters here. Obama however is not one of them, and yet Obama as well as every front running candidate on the other side receive insane amounts of money from the very same organizations that OWS is protesting against. Clarify your message, get consistent, and give the same fair treatment to others that you expect as your right and then, just maybe you can start to be taken seriously as a movement by the rest of the 99%, which I think happens to be about 98% of us.

[-] 1 points by blamethebankers (6) 2 years ago

Dear Occupy Wall Street

Did you know that there is a UK band called " BLAME THE BANKERS" who play a mixture of pop, blues, jazz and Latin? They were formed about six months ago and if in NYC would love to play for you - pass it around.

http://www.youtube.com/user/blamethebankers

Good luck and keep it going!

[-] 1 points by justlogic (-1) 2 years ago

I have read the "racist" statements in the newsletter. The writer, perhaps p@ul, was speaking truths based on statistics of the time, its a shame that you're not adult enough to agree with something that's statistically factual. The fact that it was based on statistics should NOT be dismissed because the group belongs to a certain demographic.

Further more, p@ul has said, ON MANY OCCASIONS, why it IS that these statistics exist. The drug war, I agree, IS a racist war... statistically and its proven. Though most of you support this war, in my eyes that makes YOU racist.

R0n P@ul is NOT an advocate of segregation and because he arbitrarily wants to repeal the civil rights act does not mean that he advocates racism. What he does advocate is that each person should be in charge of their own moral decision. R0n P2ul understands that if you were to put up a "no blacks allowed" sign in your shop window that your business would suffer as the business owner would lose both the black patronage and the moral white patronage. The business would fail.

You people need to grow up, accusations of racism are thrown around as a offensive maneuver and to blindly follow without merit simply displays your own naivete.

Does H3rman C@in get called racist for his comments of electrocuting Mexicans at the border; feeding them to alligators? Is R1ck S@ntorum labeled as a racist for his arbitrary support of violence against the middle east?

[-] 1 points by Jana (2) from Leesville, TX 2 years ago

The entire political operation in the US is deeply fractured. It's not about an individual politician or political party. It's the Entire Political System. So let's not waste time pointing fingers as there's too much to do to get rid of a much contaminated system -- and greed is the contaminant. Occupy's biggest challenge is how to go about demanding the resignations of every congressperson and the president and his cabinet. These folks hold no one accountable -- not even themselves -- for the economic crisis or for the massive bailouts that have continued for 3 full years,right up until this month -- November, 2011 -- and with nearly 1,000 financial institutions bailed out!! Every one from the White House through the US Congress should resign. Let's have a "You're Fired Washington!" Day and post official letters asking for the resignations of the House, the Senate and the President/VP and the President's economic advisors, Geithner and Summers, and the SEC cheiftains.

[-] 1 points by Jana (2) from Leesville, TX 2 years ago

The entire political operation in the US is deeply fractured. It's not about an individual politician or political party. It's the Entire Political System. So let's not waste time pointing fingers as there's too much to do to get rid of a much contaminated system -- and greed is the contaminant. Occupy's biggest challenge is how to go about demanding the resignations of every congressperson and the president and his cabinet. These folks hold no one accountable -- not even themselves -- for the economic crisis or for the massive bailouts that have continued for 3 full years,right up until this month -- November, 2011 -- and with nearly 1,000 financial institutions bailed out!! Every one from the White House through the US Congress should resign. Let's have a "You're Fired Washington!" Day and post official letters asking for the resignations of the House, the Senate and the President/VP and the President's economic advisors, Geithner and Summers, and the SEC cheiftains.

[-] 1 points by blakmira (4) 2 years ago

Why is the name Ron Lawl being changed to "Ron Lawl"? He's being blacked out here too? This is really suspicious.

[-] 1 points by blakmira (4) 2 years ago

Why is the name Ron Lawl being changed to "Ron Lawl"? He's being blacked out here too? This is really suspicious.

[-] 1 points by blakmira (4) 2 years ago

Ron Lawl is the only potential POTUS that cannot be bought and sold. Hate the IRS, the Federal Reserve and the wars? Ron Lawl will end those while only taking a salary of $39,000.

[-] 1 points by blakmira (4) 2 years ago

Ron Lawl is the only potential POTUS that cannot be bought and sold. Hate the IRS, the Federal Reserve and the wars? Ron Lawl will end those while only taking a salary of $39,000.

[-] 1 points by mdidak (2) 2 years ago

There should be a five-year foreclosure moratorium as occurred during the Depression, at the very least. But the American people deserve much more, because the financial firms foreclosing on our homes do not even have a right to collect our mortgage payments.

The dirty gigantic secret of "securitizing" mortgages is that they were never really securitized--because legal title to the mortgages never reached the trusts that were supposed to hold the mortgages for the benefit of government pension plans, foreign governments, and others who bought the securities.

How does this affect borrowers? It makes many and perhaps most mortgages unenforceable by the trusts and their servicers. Think about it: if they own your mortgage, they or their servicer can collect it, but if the process of transferring your mortgage to them was never completed (it was never "perfected," in legalese), they are complete strangers with no rights concerning your mortgage at all.

But, many ask, can't this just be fixed by perfecting the transfers to the trusts now? No, because federal regulations and the contracts governing the trusts required all mortgages to be transferred to them within 90 days after they were founded back in the mid-2000s.

These trusts get a complete tax exemption under the Internal Revenue Code--but only if they are set up in strict accordance with the applicable federal regulations. Without this tax exemption for the financial institutions, these transactions would never have been economically worthwhile for them. But trying to cure the failure to transfer mortgage notes now exposes whoever has held the mortgage notes in the meantime to all those unpaid taxes, plus crippling penalties and interest . . . hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars in total that should have been paid to the federal government by the banks. And, by transferring the notes now, the banks would essentially admit they weren't properly transferred years ago, increasing their exposure to huge fraud claims by pensions funds and other investors who bought "mortgage-backed" securities that weren't really backed by any mortgages.

The mortgage payments the banks shouldn't be able to collect are, over the life of the loans, perhaps $30 trillion. Prohibiting the banks from collecting $30 trillion over the next 25 years will be a huge shot in the arm for the economy and the average homeowner, but it is small potatoes compared to the $650 trillion in securities, CDOs and swaps the banks hope to foist onto the American taxpayer by transferring them to FDIC-insured institutions (witness Bank of America, now trying to foist $75 trillion onto the FDIC which, as you may know, has no money).

Just as students shouldn't come out of school burdened with crushing debt and terrible job prospects, so those a generation or two ahead of them shouldn't simultaneously face losing their homes or at least having to live on a shoestring while seeing their pensions destroyed because they were invested in these worthless "mortgage-backed" securities and derivatives.

[-] 1 points by SocratesPhilosophy (231) 2 years ago

What's interesting is how many political figure heads are either trying to associate themselves with the OWS movement or referencing it as a insult to someone that might support it.

Like Obama saying he supports the movement so everyone thinks he is "one of the guys" then doing something like this, there is fear that this may turn into a crusade against all politicians so they are trying to be apart of the movement in an attempt do disassociate themselves with the corruption but all the while keep doing everything the same ole way.

Also the media coverage ( Fox,CNN,MSN ) of this is insulting how ignorant do these people think we are? When you get less coverage than Ron Lawl you know they are just hoping you go away.

[-] 1 points by PaulRevere (1) from Bronx, NY 2 years ago

URGENT: BLOCK COURT APPROVAL Nov 8: Citi Bank settlement deal is to be Court-approved on thisTuesday, November 8, at Foley Square Court house...This must be opposed. Citi will merely pay a fine that is subsequently passed on to customers as just another cost-of-doing-business; then it all continues on & on again. This will not stop until there are consequences with high level execs prosecuted & jailed. NYS Attorney General & NY banking & Finance Dept are selling out the people

[-] 1 points by Uspatriot5000 (128) 2 years ago

All of you complain about all of the money private companies and CEO's make, yet this administration just gave huge bonuses to employees and management of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These are tax dollars. This is just another reason why I have no problem with capitalism, just our government. We DO NOT have a revenue problem, but a spending problem. There should be no reason we are sending money to all of these other countries, including China, who we are also borrowing money from. Cut off all of this aid to other countries and take care of ourselves. That would save us billions. No one will ever convince me that Socialism to become the norm in this country. This was a very successful country, until about the 1950's when all of the "social" programs started. Once people get on them for any reason, it is hard as h&^l to get them off. I have been unemployed many times, not had insurance, had bad insurance, etc. I have never been on any government program, nor do have any plans in the near future to be on one.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26034) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No club Fed. for the convicted either.

Create sign and send petitions. The more inputs we have the better. http://occupywallst.org/forum/create-sign-and-send-petitions/

A site to submit issues have them collected, collated and submitted. www.lobbydemocracy.com

OUR BANNER/OUR CAUSE

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. July 4, 1776

[-] 1 points by changeit (7) 2 years ago

the beauty of Obama is that he has made the corruption so glaringly clear. he got into office and saw the game and went along with it. The great deceiver followed the decider. without Obama I am not sure we would have this movement at this point he will go along with the bankers

[-] 1 points by Eric418hill (8) 2 years ago

Obama is doing what any Republican would do, yet believes we would fear to vote against him. We must give him the ultimatum that he do a 180 and clear his cabinet of finaciers, stop drone attacks, and prosecute the banksters or we vote him out of office! Point blank.

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

Liberal Democrats say $25B settlement with banks is insufficient

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1091-housing/191991-liberal-dems-say-25-billion-bank-settlement-is-insufficient

Bill Gates Champions A Financial Transactions Tax: ‘This Money Could Be Well Spent And Make A Difference’

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360340/gates-champions-transactions-ta/

[-] 1 points by Norway (6) 2 years ago

We should give them all a fair trial and then hang them. The worst of them, like the Smirking Chimp, should get worse.....

[-] 1 points by MortgagedTent (121) 2 years ago

Nice.

[-] 1 points by yarichin (269) 2 years ago

William Daley an executive of Chase and JP Morgan is our current White House Chief of Staff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Daley Before that it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel Rahm Emanuel The Guy who ran Freddie Mac. But this is just something Democrats do right? NOPE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bolten Joshua Bolten was under Bush and was an executive at Goldman Sachs. Before him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Card Andrew Card was was the president of the American Automobile Manufacturers Association. You know Ford GM Crystler. The last President to not have one of these corporate owners in the office with him was CLINTON and that was also the last time the country got out of debt. These are the same companies that got bailouts. It makes no difference who the president is.

[-] 1 points by annienomad (3) 2 years ago

Email Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman and tell him to prosecute Wall Street companies and Ceos for fraud!! Don't let Washington pressure them into letting these men, and the companies they run, off the hook with a slap on the wrist.

NY Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman: http://www.ag.ny.gov/online_forms/email_ag.jsp

[-] 1 points by jjpatrick (195) 2 years ago

SEVEN REASONS WHY OBAMA DESERVES YOUR VOTE:

  1. Independent Human Rights investigation of Obama and NATO crimes against humanity in Libya. Obama gave orders to bomb without congressional approval: http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/10/11/sarkozy-cameron-obama-al-thani-and-the-suffering-of-the-children-of-sirte/

2 Fact check: Romney vs Obama: who lies more? -- quite similar. http://www.factcheck.org/barack-obama/ http://www.factcheck.org/tag/mitt-romney/

  1. Top 20 recipients of Wall Street Funds: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U Historically, which party receives more from Wall Street? http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U

  2. An interesting perspective by Noam Chomsky: --Noam Chomsky on the State-Corporate Complex: http://chomsky.info/talks/20110407.htm

  3. Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQhEBCWMe44

  4. Noam Chomsky on why Obama is worse than Bush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790 and Obama's imperilstic policies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiwAFIgGCkQ

  5. Obama's health care reform = monopoly for existing for profit health care industries and BigPharma = no public options nor can anyone else challenge them to keep prices modest. It's like Obama has put into law that everyone must buy their car insurance from a few corporations, who now have full power to set the prices as however they want. ---Read the articles how Obama met with lobbyists to kill the public option. ---As a result: patients lose, doctors and health care workers lose.

  6. Republicans were in power at one point and Democrats were in full power just recently---the difference? Obama's budget for military spending per year was higher than that of Bush's. In fact, maybe Republicans are calling Obama a socialist to keep him in power as he continues to serve the will of Corporate America and the Big banks.

Is it better to give allegiance to Caesar whether it be Romney/Obama OR your children. Two parties for two audiences, but same policies that serve the priorities of their corporate or wall street funders, maybe promising some bread crumbs after--each telling their own audience to demonize the other party, and thus get off free from bearing any responsibility or accountability.

NEITHER REPUBLICANS NOR DEMOCRATS have been representative of the people. CHOOSING BETWEEN THE LESS OF TWO EVILS IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY. DON'T BUY IT.

[-] 1 points by rickMoss (435) 2 years ago

We need a better way to fight back than this. Protesting is courageous! But we have to do very big things to solve our very big problems. We need a new vision for America and a revolution to move it forward. We'll never get outside the box until we start thinking outside the box...

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )

Free people shouldn't act or live like slaves...

[-] 1 points by trailertrash (13) 2 years ago

I voted for you Obama and I expect you to remember who you work for. So much as one more cushy deal for banks while so many of us are going under will be remembered. You better get a backbone and stand tall starting right now. You were elected to serve us, not the money guys. I am willing to endure more hard times so long as I know that the bankers are in prison. Real prison too. Not make believe prison with lawn chairs and room service.

[-] 1 points by Barbara555 (78) 2 years ago

The big banks mortgage fraud:

GOPERS in Congress who passed the bankruptcy bill and did away with GLASS STEGAL. That was Phil Gramm.

Bush pushed home ownership and refused to let 18 states reign in corrupt lenders in 2004 when the FBI said wide spread fraud was taking place in the mortgage industry.

Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html Bush pushes home ownership opportunities for minorities http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/27/bush_pushes_home_ownership_opportunities_for_minorities/ Bush to push ownership society http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/01/news/economy/election_bush_plan/index.htm Home Ownership and President Bush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

[-] 1 points by SaRaIam (105) 2 years ago

I was at the march today, and I have a few comments.

I really would have liked to see more signs about reinstating Glass Steagall at the march. I do not feel that the message of this march was as clear as it might have been. We chanted the same old chants, and "Banks got bailed out, we got sold out" was the most relevant, but there could have been more chants having to do with this specific action. I would have liked to see more leafleting to educate the people about why they should support community banks and credit unions rather than B of A, Chase etc. But it was a big march and I'm glad I was there. Also, I have not been able to find out as yet how many people were arrested at this march. There seems to be a bit of a blackout on it.

[-] 1 points by 123john (4) 2 years ago

Protesting banks and moving your money to a smaller bank will do nothing to improve somebodies life or get them a job. Your time would be better spent on protesting companies to bring there manufacturing of products back to THIS country and retailers to sell only USA made products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by teachkat (23) 2 years ago

I agree ! That is the only way to get us out of our econmic problems. I for one read labels and try to onnly buy american made products but most people are just to lazu to even try. However, i have had a difficult time even finding things made here, looked and looked or a microwave all where made in china.

[-] 1 points by annienomad (3) 2 years ago

Email NY Attorney Gen. Schneiderman!! Tell him NO Immunity 4 Wall Street Ceos!! http://www.ag.ny.gov/online_forms/email_ag.jsp

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26034) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

White collar criminals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law like that schmuck Bernard L. Madoff. These criminals whether they are in government or in business know perfectly well what they have done and how many they have victimized ( thousands, and millions ). They have had that Higher education and have used it to commit crimes.

create sign and send petitions.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/create-sign-and-send-petitions/

[-] 1 points by RightsOfMan (45) from Brownsville, TX 2 years ago

We supposedly live in a society of laws but the laws are ignored by those in power and no one does anything about it...we tolerate it. Those in power don't follow the law or the Constitution, or morality, rather they do whatever they want (and perhaps offer some thin explanation of why it is acceptable) and we as society have allowed them to do it for so long that we now lack a credible voice of protest or a specific identifiable grievance. At least we (OWS) are finally discussing it.

I have been on the losing side of the system and this isn't conspiracy-based paranoia. If you doubt it, name a law that you think our government truly follows and Iet's discuss specifics.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26034) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

White collar criminals should be punished to the fullest extent of the law like that schmuck Bernard L. Madoff. These criminals whether they are in government or in business know perfectly well what they have done and how many they have victimized ( thousands, and millions ). They have had that Higher education and have used it to commit crimes.

create sign and send petitions.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/create-sign-and-send-petitions/

[-] 1 points by rogue1 (7) 2 years ago

Boycott Banks! Don't do business with Chase, Capital One, etc.. Even Credit cards "Stop using credits", use cash only, take your money out! The Banks will feel it!

[-] 1 points by belltor (60) 2 years ago

Dems decided in the 80's to actively solicit monies from Corps and bankers. Rep. Tony Colhelo head of the DCCC cozied up to Corps and bankers when heading up fund raising for the Dems. The two parties are now just whores for Wall st and Corps. Gotta get that kind of money out of campaigns or all of this will be for nothing. That is the number one demand. If this doesn't happen we are finished as a Nation.

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

get all jews out of america now

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

get all jews out of america now

[-] 1 points by dkeelen (1) 2 years ago

I have worked hard for 12 years, was the first in my family to graduate from college with an advanced degree and hold a challenging position that I enjoy. Hard work = Success. That is the American dream. Granted there needs to be reform in our political and corporate system where the needs of the people and business are done in a fair and open manner and not behind back door deals or who can afford to lobby for laws that are to the countrary. Take away the money from political campaigns and take away from future favors due to corporations. Go back to grass root campaigning and winning the people on principles and progress. Hold politicians accountable!

[-] 1 points by halloween2u (1) 2 years ago

I worked on Wall street for many years. It is a very corrupt business. It self regulates itself. Finra is run by brokers, investment bank managers and so on. There is no justice in this business. I reported a co-worker forging many documents in the office I worked and nobody was prosecuted for it. I was harrassed and let go from that office. When I reported it to the SEC they just stated that they put the information in their files. Nobody was prosecuted for the forging and their was a massive coverup on it. In this country if you are wealthy and you commit a crime the government will look the other way. But if you are the 99% you will be thrown in jail before you are even found guilty. Wall Street is a form of mafia. It comments all kinds of crimes and they know there will be no consequences for their actions. Even if they are penalized they are still making so much more money on the crime that it doesn't really matter to them if they get caught. Our government sauctions them. I believe it is going to take more than just occupying land or protesting to change things. We need a revolution. We need to take back our government. We need to take control of our banks and our government. It may not be pretty but I am tired of watching the two tier system of no laws for the wealthy and strict laws for the 99%. Wall street is powerful. I would tell anybody to be very careful for their lives who is protesting because you are threatening the lifestyle of the very wealthy who like their lifestyle. They do not want to lose they lifestyle and I would not put it past them to do harm to anybody that may threaten them.

[-] 1 points by tarzan322 (17) 2 years ago

The Occupy movement needs to push the US Government towards passing a bill making illegal for the Government to issues taxpayer monies to corporations and banks with the explicit purpose of bailing them out.

I've also heard quit a bit of talk about how corporations are people. So pushing for a bill making the people of the corporations (Remember, the top shareholders are usually the Board of Directors) just as accountable as the CEO. If the corporations want to be people, then the people can be held accountable.

[-] 1 points by jk1234 (257) 2 years ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/tammy-baldwin-immunity-banks-foreclosure_n_1072909.html

Tammy Baldwin doing her part -

Baldwin's resolution states that any settlement should follow three guidelines: 1) Banks that engaged in fraudulent behavior "should not be granted criminal or civil immunity for potential wrongdoing related to illegal mortgage and foreclosure practices," 2) the federal government and state AGs should "proceed with full investigations into claims of fraudulent behavior by mortgage servicers" and 3) any monetary sum paid by the banks should "appropriately compensate for, and accurately reflect, the extent of harm to all victims."

[-] 1 points by changeit (7) 2 years ago

There is a need for more presidental candidates. Obama is not going to change things. Perhaps a congress that forces him is the best that can be hoped for now. These politcans are out of touch. witness the supercommitte, business as usual as OWS gains support.

[-] 1 points by nich (57) 2 years ago

This is why the !% are labeled the 1%. It cuts across party loyalties, everyone who is part of the 1% not only has to be identified but have their dirty deals exposed.

[-] 1 points by therock (30) from Altona, NY 2 years ago

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote that the philosophy and practice of nonviolence has six basic elements.

First, nonviolence is resistance to evil and oppression. It is a human way to fight.

Second, it does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his/ her friendship and understanding.

Third, the nonviolent method is an attack on the forces of evil rather than against persons doing the evil. It seeks to defeat the evil and not the persons doing the evil and injustice.

Fourth, it is the willingness to accept suffering without retaliation.

Fifth, a nonviolent resister avoids both external physical and internal spiritual violence- not only refuses to shoot, but also to hate, an opponent. The ethic of real love is at the center of nonviolence.

Sixth, the believer in nonviolence has a deep faith in the future and the forces in the universe are seen to be on the side of justice.

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

the jewnited states of america is dead

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

the jewnited states of america is dead

[-] 1 points by therock (30) from Altona, NY 2 years ago

Let us dedicate ourselves to nonviolence. Here is a resource: http://howtocamp.takethesquare.net/2011/10/12/non-violent-struggle-50-crucial-points/

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

the jewnited states of america is dead

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

the jewnited states of america is dead

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

mossad not muslims did 9 / 11 / 01 www.911missinglinks.com

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

mossad not muslims did 9 / 11 / 01 www.911missinglinks.com

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

hanging dual citizen zionist jew traitors is not anti-semitic. got rope ?

[-] 1 points by rossamauri (10) 2 years ago

hanging dual citizen zionist jew traitors is not anti-semitic. got rope ?

[-] 1 points by EVmc (11) 2 years ago

William K. Black and David DeGraw of AmpedStatus.com. Black argues that we need, "fire Geithner, fire Holder, and demand Bernanke's resignation, and ... replace them with people who will actually enforce the laws for the 99[%]."This meets with David DeGraw's approval, who then enlists our favorite white-collar criminologist to serve as the Attorney General for the Occupy Wall Street movement. http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/10/william-k-black-enforce-laws-for-99.html Black has been to NYC OWS and Kansas city OWS and supports OWS. He is the guy that prosecuted thousands of bankers in the 1980’s saving and loan fraud he sent them to jail. Geithner, Holder, Obama MUST GO, as they would say in Cairo won't do any good to replace with republican though. elect a Nurse If the crime is not prosecuted it will never stop, The crime that pays is the crime that stays. If the constitution and laws were enforced the criminal bankster class would be in jail. Info on how the fraud works, Guns and Butter Audio-"Unpacking Mr. Global, Part One" with Catherine Austin Fitts. Derivatives exposure of Bank of America and the FDIC; corruption at the Department of Housing and Urban Development; prosecution of Hamilton Securities; collateral fraud. Mortgage, foreclosure fraud at end of show, why banks are committing robosigning fraud because they sold the mortgage to 10 different investors, that’s why they can not produce the note. Want to get out of before we all find out how bad the fraud is it is much worse, fraud is the banking system not the system has some fraud in it. http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/74737

[-] 1 points by overcome (4) 2 years ago

Count me in; See you there!

[-] 1 points by wilsondog (8) 2 years ago

"Below I am going to analyze many of the demands that Occupy Wall Street protesters have been making. A lot of them have been directly taken from the formal list of complaints posted on the "official" organizing website of Occupy Wall Street...."But we all know that nearly all of them will show up to vote for Obama once again in 2012."

He wasn't vetting in 08, do your due diligence in 2012 http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/11-reasons-why-occupy-wall-street-protesters-are-hypocrites-if-they-do-not-call-for-barack-obama-to-resign

Top 20 recipients of Wall Street Funds: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U

Historically, which party receives more from Wall Street? http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U

[-] 1 points by SteveHeitmann (10) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Move Your Money -- Why, Where and How -- Find helpful banks near you --

http://www.changewallst.info/

Require President Obama to fight--hold him to his word: "If these folks want a fight, it's a fight I'm ready to have" —President Obama, referring to big bankers who have brought us so much trouble. http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/shooting-banks

Meanwhile boycott "Too Big To Fail Banks" -- Move Your Money

[-] 1 points by owsjust99 (1) from Westhampton Beach, NY 2 years ago

Regarding taxing the rich in general, and on levying transaction tax in particulal the following were the comments: 1. Raise taxes on the top 1%. Warren Buffet admitted that the super-rich has been coddled Raise taxes on the top 1%. Congress won’t pass it because they are in that 1%. Instead people are listening to Cain, Perry, and Romney talk about proposed tax plans that may or may not increase jobs but definitely increase taxes to the poor and middle income. 2. Tax stock trading! $0.01 cent per trade times an average of 1.2 billion trades a day (3 month NYSE average) = $4.3 billion in increased US tax revenues per year. 3. the 50 cent stock trade surcharge that (as Forbes magazine says) would generate 350 billion dollars per year: all of which could go to people who actually need it! 4. we can outlaw the financial derivative instruments that caused this economic crisis. The 1% have made incredible amount of money off derivatives and when these investments failed - the 1% asked (and received)the taxpayers to bail them out This topic should receive the immediate attention of the OWS because of the following news: " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-01/lawmakers-to-propose-transaction-tax-for-financial-firms-modeled-on-europe.html a. The European Union in September proposed a financial- transaction tax that would take effect in 2014 and raise about $57 billion euros ($78 billion) a year. Germany and France have led a push for global implementation b. Two U.S. lawmakers will introduce measures to impose a transaction tax on financial firms that resembles a proposal released by the European Union.

[-] 1 points by rin1 (123) 2 years ago

We just need to inform people about why they should be joining the movement - the problem is most people dont even know why this movement is happening.

We discuss this issue with obama on our website.

A list of talking points to support OWS:

http://knockknockrevolution.tumblr.com/flyers

help us convert non-occupiers to occupiers! tell your friends and families!

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

Yeah, and we're burn down every UN-occupied house too.

[-] 1 points by socialsynergy (32) 2 years ago

The monetary system is a scam - if they prosecute these people the whole world will understand what a scam it is. The accused will use arguments to defend themselves that would keep them out of jail and sink their industry. They haven't prosecuted anyone in England either.

Do you realize that a bank only puts up about 5 grand cash on a hundred grand loan (the rest is non existent) Think about that when you put a down payment on a house. You supply the bank with the very cash to secure the imaginary money they lend and charge you compound interest on - they literally have zero exposure in actual cash money in such a transaction.

Now think on this - everything we value in cash can never be worth more than the cash we have - follow me? Lets suppose we had one house in the world valued at 10 dollars but their was only 1 dollar of actual cash - How then can we have a house valued in more money than there is money? You cant. But this is what has been done globally on an epic scale.

Everything and anything is worth what someone will pay or can pay. You cant pay more cash than there is available. Welcome to one of the many wonderful monetary scams - they have been successful with their scams because 99.99% of people no nothing when it comes to money- including most educated people.

Obama will not want to jeopardize the economy or his re election - the economy would crash hard and fast - but that's a forgone conclusion because its headed that way in any event.

The monetary system is a devious lie - it is responsible for massive crimes against humanity that would make any terrorist look like a saint. How many suicides, broken families, lost futures and many dreadful events that plague societies today are caused by this system?

Look at the pregnant lady in Hawaii - her and her husband got arrested and jailed over a 5 dollar sandwich - their daughter was placed in state care for 18 hours - meanwhile we allow people to steal millions/billions / destroy nations / steal futures and not a peep from law enforcement?

Did the bankers get tear gassed/ evicted/ beaten when they walked away with peoples homes, businesses and future? Were they separated from their children and hauled off by police? No they drank champagne and pulled in more and more bonuses.

Frankly I am surprised any politician would have anything to do with this industry - Birds of a feather flock together i suppose- any politician that rubs elbows with these types needs to explain themselves to the people they want votes from.

Justice is well and truly dead.

[-] 1 points by yourfriend (1) 2 years ago

I was born in an era of corruption and violence my generation said they would fix it. They themselves over time became corrupted and complacent. Then the next generation came to power and each generation become more conniving and ruthless than their predecessor. What will be your truth? I pray that your generation can fix this world the rest of us did not. GOD knows I have tried in my own way and have had little effect. I have been watching reading and listening to all sources you are all having a positive effect. Stand strong you are fighting for the survival of humanity and you have the most powerful ally of any group in the past. Don’t mess it up and don’t be misled use your knowledge teachings and history. Your friend

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Exactly how old are you? Corruption and violence have been around since the beginning of civilization.

[-] 1 points by Wupta (1) 2 years ago

The status quo is broken, it's over. It has failed and is crumbling away of it's own disease. Call it whatever you want, Capitilism, corporatism whatever. It's done.Those of whom have benifitted from this system will hang on tooth and nail, they are a tiny, tiny minority. Those who are keeping their eyes shut and hoping this will go away are owned by the minority. The police force isn't know for deep intellect. The system will change it has come to it's ecological termination point, the environment can no longer sustain it. Fight and argue all you want it's going to change. I'm for change and glad for it.

[-] 1 points by guidofawkes12 (1) 2 years ago

How else can he keep a financial blockade on Wikileaks when he's throwing people in jail?

[-] 1 points by laidoffworker03 (5) 2 years ago

http://www.1worldcommunication.org/Walmart.htm

This web site tells you how walmart is cheating, and making billions of dollars in slave labor. Boycott Walmart, Sams Club, and it gives you a list of other companies and merchandise that they have under different name brands.

[-] 1 points by jonathan102 (1) 2 years ago

I think people have to accept that they are not getting their money back. We need young great minds to start running for local offices, the only way you can change society anew is from the ground up. However, our society, the buildings are already built, bridges already engineered, and all other real property. We need to build a new mental communal psyche from our children on to the new generations. We need to revamp our local communities that way everyone not only has a job but a place in the local community with substantially less room to excel unless you are equipped to attain and understand superior knowledge than others.

I support the movement but there needs to be more progressive literature that discusses potential ideas for change and not just venting at the current problems

[-] 1 points by laidoffworker03 (5) 2 years ago

HR 459 we must make sure this bill is passed in congress. It will allow an audit of the federal reserve banks. The living nightmare of people like bernanke chairman of the federal reserve.

[-] 1 points by ediblescape (235) 2 years ago

We won't let Obama get away with being Wall Street's puppet.

[-] 1 points by wdwgrotb (28) 2 years ago

Then don't elect the ones that are friends with them.Gee it cost a lot of money to sit on capitol hill are we that stu stu stu stupid.C'Mon get real this LES starts in the election booth

[-] 1 points by jk1234 (257) 2 years ago

Great job OWS!

Why settle with the banks before even investigating the crime?!!!!!!!!!

http://dailybail.com/home/dylan-ratigan-with-nevada-ag-we-should-investigate-foreclosu.html

[-] 1 points by talination (10) 2 years ago

Interesting. Obama promised to change the way our government operates and yet here we see...maybe that's not really the case? Do you think Obama's kept any/most/a few of his promises? There's a site out there that's getting conversation going about this--it's definitely and interesting and heated topic--you guys should check it out and participate on there: http://www.youmepolitics.us/

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

There is but one path by which #OWS can "hold the political class accountable for doing Wall Street's bidding." Ready? ...

Throw Obama under the bus.

The "Constitutionalists" had their day at the start of the 112th Congress with a reading of the U.S. Constitution, a first in American history. It is time to hold their feet to the fire.

If "accountability in government" is thought a serious problem whose resolution would serve to address a whole assortment of grievances wrapped up in "Occupy" movements across the nation, then the path of least resistance to gaining this accountability is through a massive, relentless insistence that, Articles of Impeachment be drafted by Congress charging President Barack Obama with high crimes against the Constitution, first, via his illegal war in Libya, and second, via ordering assassination of 3 American citizens in Yemen not afforded their constitutional right of "due process."

This is not personal. This is business. If accountability in government is rightly seen a fundamental problem motivating a good deal of today's dissent, then demand for said accountability could not possibly find a more opportune occasion in circumstance finding a Congress feigning "duty" to Constitution while the President pisses on it.

"Verdict by media" is how the White House and Congress today are hiding behind the President's 100% bonafide unconstitutional acts mentioned above. Yet all have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution! Make the "Constitutionalists" and the saner of Democrats in Congress live up to their duty! Throw Obama under the bus.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Sure, and war criminal trials for the Bush administration - the list goes on and on and on - why just Obama?

[-] 1 points by chivers (1) from New York, NY 2 years ago

YEP! We all got fooled by BUSH III. No matter what or who gets elected: NOTHING! I Repeat NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE when it comes to Americans being replaced with cheap cheap H-1B/L1 scabs. Jobs are not just going overseas, they are going to H-1B/L1 Scabs who are from overseas. It's not "We the People", It's the Business who runs this country now, and when it comes to getting cheap cheap labor, the business and all the rich are addicted to slave labor. They can't have enough. Weather its the ReThugolCons or the DumORats, its all about flooding the US with the dirt poor from all over the world for cheap cheap slave labor. Americans are being replaced with scabs from all over the world in every state and industry. The British Parasites (BP) scabs are getting all the media, movie, TV Ads and TV slots. The Philippines are getting all the nursing jobs while all the American nurses are being laid-off and replaced. The Indians are the largest influx; they are bent on total takeover by any means including any and all kinds of Fraud. The Indian have been used to replace more American in every industry then all the other countries combined with H-1B/L1 visas. The Indians also have the largest influx with Visa over-stayers and Anchor Babies. Just between 2003 to 2008 over 75 million Indian entered the US and never left. The Irish also have a very large influx of Visa over-stayers and illegals mostly in the north-east. And yes we all know about the millions of illegals the from south and north of our borders. With over 30 years of open border and free pass to all business to do whatever they want, we are in the midst of becoming a third world just like all the cheap cheap labor we have allowed in.

[-] 1 points by PincheCabron (131) 2 years ago

Why doesn't everyone just stop paying taxes instead? The source of the problem is being ignored. Attacking the banks is like beating up the smaller weaker brother of the schoolyard bully.

[-] 1 points by TitoJ (1) 2 years ago

In 2008 but McCain and Obama's campaigns were funded by the same banks, the bailout receiving banks. Go2 opensecrets site to see that and how Mutt Romney is funded by mostly banks. Ron Lawl runs on citizens donations. RP 2012.

[-] 1 points by masterandcommander (9) 2 years ago

Guess what Beth Bogart. Those people did not pay their bills. Throw them out. As a land lord of several properties I would too. These people gave their word they would pay their bills and then folded like a cheap lawn chair. If you want to organize a group that will work hard and give all of their money away to pay other peoples bills have at it. I will not. This was a clerical error. If two people make a deal and one refuses to follow through than that is unethical.

[-] 1 points by VoiceOfReasonLA (16) 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree. It is NOT illegal to evict or foreclose on a property if the tenant/owner can not pay. They signed their mortgage/lease, they knew the consequences, no one held a gun to their head and said they have to spend more money than they can earn.

The utter lack of personal responsibility is absolutely stunning to me.

[-] 1 points by TheArtistTheDog (1) 2 years ago

right-on brothers and sisters. tell it like it is. Obama is the man's "boy" no doubt. stay positive, be peaceful and persevere. success will follow.

[-] 1 points by masterandcommander (9) 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by laidoffworker03 (5) 2 years ago

Boycott all upcoming political conventions, and let them know, come November 2012, we will boycott the elections, or vote no on every ballot, republican, or democrat. There will be know campaign trails, we will not let politicians sell us into slavery.

[-] 1 points by spclosings (2) 2 years ago

I know you don't believe me but Ron Lawl can fix this mess and we have accept that most of us, "including me" can't truly see the big picture unless we are in office seeing it for ourselves... Ron will bust their balls and you know it... Thats why the Corps. don't like him along with the Rep and Dem establisments don't like him but the independent people do...! :-) Good luck OWS...! Go bust some balls!!!!

[-] 1 points by spclosings (2) 2 years ago

I know you don't believe me but Ron Lawl can fix this mess and we have accept that most of us, "including me" can't truly see the big picture unless we are in office seeing it for ourselves... Ron will bust their balls and you know it... Thats why the Corps. don't like him along with the Rep and Dem establisments don't like him but the independent people do...! :-) Good luck OWS...! Go bust some balls!!!!

[-] 1 points by PRJ (115) 2 years ago

Take back the land. Occupy the foreclosures and abandoned.

[-] 2 points by VoiceOfReasonLA (16) 2 years ago

douche

[-] 1 points by OWS99 (12) 2 years ago

We're two professionals in Midtown , Manhattan. We're there with you. See you downtown tomorrow at 2PM. Greetings, the 99%

[-] 2 points by VoiceOfReasonLA (16) 2 years ago

Don't know that you will be allowed...apparently if you own anything nice, they will consider you part of the 1%. One post said that many occupiers own homes with values in excess of $300K...like it is somehow shameful that they have a home or can still afford a mortgage.

[-] 1 points by OWS99 (12) 2 years ago

Hi, yeah I just responded to that fella and gave him a minute on my 99% soap box. I get your irony here, blahblah98 clearly does not. Most of the folks we have met down at Zuccotti have been very welcoming and thankful for all the support - in marches, in monetary units, and in 'materials that can keep a person warm'. There are folks down there from the entire socioeconomic spectrum (well, except that 1 % of course) and we know we are all in this together. Indeed, I look forward to participating in my 4th OWS march tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by blahblah98 (1) 2 years ago

You're no voice of reason, more like "99%er in denial", or "Tool for the 1%."
Look, "We the People" is automatically going to be a broad-base movement with left, right, center. Anyone below $509k AGI. The 1% is counting on the movement wedging & splintering; why are you following their playbook?

Focus on the shared value of all OWSers: Fairness in Finance, and Corporate Money out of Government. This movement is not about all those other distracting splinter/wedge issues.

[-] 1 points by VoiceOfReasonLA (16) 2 years ago

Call me what you like. I like earning money when I work. I work a lot. I make money, well below the $509K, which is a new benchmark I have never seen before.

I have also not seen anything that the shared values of OWS was Fairness in Finance and Corporate Money out of Government. Is this new? I agree with both points. I think they are way too obtuse to make any real headway in actually reaching this goal. How do you make finance transparent??? What would that look like? What do you need to see in order to be able to check that box as 'complete'?

Corporate Money out of Government. Again, how is this achieved? By camping in the park? As a small business owner, does that mean I can't participate? Who can? What are the proposed rules???

Get organized, set clear obtainable goals. This will go nowhere without organization. They mayor is just holding out until winter hoping the snow will drive people out of the park. It won't be that easy in LA, but nothing of any real value happens in LA. Real change has to happen there but time is running out. If anyone dies from exposure once the weather changes, they movement will be shut down to protect those with noble goals but poor follow through...

[-] 1 points by jbjb (1) 2 years ago

The Occupy group is ripe for exposing crime by our elected officials. Let's hold our government responsible, without regard to which party they have chosen.

This is not about L vs. D or blue vs. red. This is about us getting ripped off by government lackeys including Obama.

Let's fight back! Check out facebook.com/blueRepublican

[-] 1 points by jk1234 (257) 2 years ago

I hope this gets some good news coverage. I bet Bloomsberg wishes winter would just freeze this movement away.

[-] 1 points by manxman (1) from Thousand Oaks, CA 2 years ago

We need to be able to cast a no confidence vote for any elected member of government. Not at the end of their term but right away! Throw the chump out of office when he/she doesn't do THE PEOPLEs work. No more lobbying, no more retirement, no more elite medical benefits and no more multi-millionaire candidates .... of the people, by the people, for the people.

It's just too simple ... but the game is so rigged it'll never happen.

[-] 1 points by thisagency (1) 2 years ago

Investigative journalism about the roots of the sub prime crisis is available at Project Censored (www.projectcensored.org), the media research program working in cooperation with numerous independent media groups in the US.

See story #25 of 2009 is titled, "Bush’s Real Problem with Eliot Spitzer." The article notes Spitzer had become increasingly public in blaming the Bush administration for the subprime crisis: "The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules."

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/25-bushs-real-problem-with-eliot-spitzer/

Regards -

[-] 1 points by Talentscout2323 (3) 2 years ago

What are we doing? Corzine was one of obamas biggest supporters. A truly liberal thief! We should be going after him and anyone he has supported...Obama and his administration allowed mf global to defraud americans of billions! And what about Michael Moore? Are we seriously thinking this fat slob is not part of the 1%? He s worse than wall street because he pretends to be an average guy when his net worth is over 100 million!

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

He spends his money informing and aiding the 99%. That's the difference.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

I know more about Michael Moore than any other topic he has informed me of. As for aid - movie admissions just went up to $12.50 each and pop corn and coke require a loan.

[-] 1 points by Iamsheep (3) 2 years ago

True dat! Michael Moore is uber-hypocrite! Douchbag is all about anti- wahington...unless it's a leftwing nut job that he can support...if u dont like the tax code....write a bigger check to d.c. U fat loser!

[-] 1 points by prairiegrist (6) 2 years ago

Shhhh Shhhh Its oki doki Mr. Sheeple. Sorry to wake you up. Go back to sleep now. zzzzzzzzz

[-] 1 points by OneVoice (153) 2 years ago

I'm waiting for a deal where global corporations can bring their oversees monetary profits back into the United States with little or no tax consequences. They made all that money avoiding our tax system and greed got the best of them.

[-] 1 points by Krankie (140) 2 years ago

"relative small payoff by the banks"? NO, it is not "the banks" that will pay off the government - it is the SHAREHOLDERS. The ones that made tens of millions in bonuses will not pay one penny. You MUST make ordinary Americans realize that it is THEM that is paying off the government, while the people that they pay walk away scott free. Saying that "the banks" (some impersonal amorphous entity) will pay is EXACTLY what they want. Once again, they capitalize the gains (for the execs) and socialize the losses (for the shareholders). STOP HELPING THE EXECS, for God's sake...

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

Force Change, Boycott Capitalism

until we have full government resignation and a new online voting system with verification so we can rebuild our country and eventually our world.

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.

Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change

http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by mcf127 (17) 2 years ago

OWS lawyers need to file their own class action suit before the signing otherwise it will all be for nothing.

[-] 1 points by Vicewatch (43) 2 years ago

Here is some background on this -looks like it's true -Obama and Bush also bought the banks' lie that they'd help homeowners with TARP bailout - this has not happened either. And settling with banks seems as if it will not stop robo-signing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/opinion/its-a-flawed-settlement.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/220035/20110926/mortgage-settlement-mortgage-deal-mortgage-obama-foreclosures-obama-foreclosure-attorney-general-mor.htm

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/banks-lying-when-they-say-theyve-stopped-robosiging.html

[-] 1 points by equality7 (8) 2 years ago

Foremost issue is the NY Courts and their complicity with some Banks,Judges,Lawyers in this massive fraudulent Pozzi scheme that throws people into homelessness and looting and pillaging of valuable personal property. Union backed Judges receive campaign contributions from corrupt attorneys, racist landlords, democratic clubs, etc. certain judges are beholden to these crooked interests they can & will destroy your life! No exaggeration here. There is no genuine oversight, transparency or full disclosure. Prayed our President would help Americans. Most needed is a Moratorium on fraudclosures ASAP!

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 2 years ago

Thank you for posting this. However, not to get off topic, but to bring attention to another issue that has more to do with D.C. than Wall Street. Has anyone read up on what the Republicans have done to disenfranchise student and minority voters. They are making it very hard for them to vote (pic i.d. issues), so that the Democratic Party will lose tons of votes, making it possible for a Republican to win in the White House in 2012. Here is an article from the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaigns/democrats-plead-with-state-secretaries-to-ensure-voter-id-laws-dont-block-voters/2011/11/03/gIQAF8TUjM_story.html

I am an independent and I can't believe how low the GOP has sunk here. Please, I really think that his must be addressed. I don't think we can remain silent on this issue. Please consider addressing this.

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Photo I.D. is the only way to go in regard to voter fraud.

[-] 1 points by OooGeeE (21) from New Rochelle, NY 2 years ago

Ummm Obama is for the 99%.. I would look further into this story.

[-] 1 points by skizzy (445) 2 years ago

Obama works for a small group in the 1% ... the bankers ... Everyone is waking up to this fact

[-] 1 points by OooGeeE (21) from New Rochelle, NY 2 years ago

Nope. His agenda has always been for the poor and middle class. Remember he had to deal with the Wall St.situation because The Bush Regime were the ones that bailed them out...

[-] 1 points by skizzy (445) 2 years ago

Nope he works for wall st and the bankers .... Look at Greece the prime mister stood up for democracy to put austerity plans to a vote... they kicked him out and installed a banker ... Obama is a puppet for the bankers ... oh and he can assassinate Americans and other suspected terrorist's now as well.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

I completely agree with you OooGeeE. If you think Obama is the problem with this country you need to do more reading. I am not saying he is perfect but he does more good than harm. He is dealing with nutjobs that want to cut benefits for the poor and cut taxes on the rich to solve our economic woes. If Occupy Wall Street wants to accomplish something they better find allies to work with. Occupy Wall Street needs to take on the truly evil politicians while trying to steer the misguided ones. Remember Obama is the one pushing for a jobs bill funded by increased taxes on millionaires. Not a single Republican is helping him with this. Does millionaire Ron Lawl want to raise taxes on himself?

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

President Obama had Corzine on his short list to replace Geithner as Treasury Secretary. Says a lot about Obama's judgment and choice of advisers. He has been in the tank for Wall Street from Day One. Support him and you support Wall Street. The Republicans are no better.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

He hasn't done enough on that issue but pretending he is the same as the Republicans is foolish. Occupy Wall Street needs to push flawed politicians like Barack to do the right thing, not reject him outright. Mitt Romney is getting a vast majority of the Wall Street and Corporate money these days, that right there proves Obama isn't in the tank for Wall Street. He created the consumer protection bureau and introduced the nation to the amazing Elizabeth Warren. She is on Obama's side so I doubt he's 100% bad. Obama has done way more good things than bad. There is no way a sane person believes McCain and Palin would be doing a better job. There is no way someone who thinks Wall Street has too much power thinks seeing Mitt Romney elected would turn the tide. We need to get involved in elections and make sure the we always elect the best of the two candidates. A dedicated movement can influence the political parties in this country, just look at what the Tea Party did to the Republicans. We need to elect great politicians like Elizabeth Warren and Keith Ellison. The more Progressive voices who work for the people you put in politics, that will push Obama where we want him to go.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

Good luck. As I understand it, #OWS does not and will not back any political party. If it does, it will alienate a majority of its supporters.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

I'm not saying back a political party. I'm saying finding good politicians to support. They will alienate all their supporters if they don't do anything. If you want to change the world you have to do something. I think the best way to get substantial change is by participating in the political process with grassroots movement building. It's great occupy wall street has changed the conversation in this country but now they have to sustain it. Elected officials that support the 99% and work to fix the real problems we are facing is the best way to do this.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

At best, elected officials might give lip-service to the 99%, especially during election season, to garner votes from the uninformed and gullible. These are the same politicians that sold us out. The rule-of-thumb still applies. Vote out the incumbents, starting with the president of the U.S. Vote out all politicians who accepted special interest money, especially the Wall Street variety.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

So your solution to getting rid of Wall Street money is to vote out Obama and replace him with Mitt Romney. Barack Obama bailed out the auto industry which saved the entire state of Michigan. This saved countless jobs for the 99% Romney said he wouldn't have saved those jobs. Obama passed banking regulation, weaker than I would have liked but something. Romney has said he would oppose that. Obama created the consumer protection board which Romney is 100% opposed to and would dismantle. Romney was born rich and made more money by buying companies, firing all the American workers and moving the jobs overseas. You think the 99% should work to elect a union busting politician who gets all his money from Wall Street like Romney? I think you sound poorly informed and simplistic when you say Obama has done nothing to support the 99% Obama passed a stimulus bill which saved millions of jobs. Obama is trying to pass a wildly popular jobs bill now paid for with tax increases on millionaires. The Republicans are 100% opposed to this. If you don't see a difference in the political parties you aren't looking hard enough. Obama's list of accomplishments dwarfs the nit picking you and others seem obsessed with. Occupy Wall Street needs to work hard to elect good politicians that support Progressive ideas while working with other politicians and try to influence them. 100% of Republicans are evil bigot assholes these days that do anything the Koch brothers tell them to do. I am not denying Wall Street has too much influence with the Dems but it isn't 100% like the Republicans. Occupy Wall Street needs to push the Dems back to being the party of the people, not fight a war against each and every person on earth. It's not Obama that failed the 99%, the 99% failed this country by not getting off their asses and voting in 2010. I vote and have worked my ass off for good politicians since I was 16. An involved vocal citizenry can make the change we want. You make change by always pushing and working and not getting disillusioned when a politician isn't perfect. I don't think Obama is perfect, but I do think he is a pretty amazing President. He only saved the auto industry, ended the Iraq War, ended don't ask don't tell, passed healthcare reform, shot Bin Laden, and created the consumer protection board. I would challenge you to name a president since LBJ or JFK with that list of accomplishments.

[-] 1 points by enough (589) 2 years ago

Go for it. Reason does not always appeal to unreasonable men. By the way, I can't stand Mitt Romney. Don't make assumptions.

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

Well who do you think will get elected if you get rid of Obama? It will be the Republican who was elected on the strength of Koch brothers donations. We will have 4 years of a President that does everything he can for millionaires while making the 99% suffer. If you don't want me to make assumptions than tell me your plan. If your plan involves getting rid of Obama I promise you your plan then means a Republican will be President.

[-] 1 points by nich (57) 2 years ago

I propose that OWS in NYC has a big operational problem. The ambiguous attitudes toward the NYPD on the part of occupiers, the general public and the NYPD itself.

The NYPD is a buffer between the occupiers and Wall St. Also a project to gain the support of the NYPD is problematical at best because it is unclear what posture to take. Are they an unwitting enemy, the enemy or an ally; albeit a potential ally.

If there is a confrontation that deals with a corrupt government, it should take place in Washington DC. The forces that are responsible for "keeping order" have different approaches in DC and NYC.

The potential for exposing legislators and establishment administrators is already part of the circulating information and can be vetted by experts.

The forces that oppose demonstrators in Washington are fraught with political machinations because there is divided government even though it is a sham. Not as true in NYC because they have clear cut goals.

This movement is worldwide and can use its ability to pivot when necessary in order to keep the establishment types off balance.

As it stands right now, the occupation is becoming predictable. Business loves predictable.

[-] 1 points by Decoy4924 (44) 2 years ago

Kinda occurs to me when we pull all our money from various banks that their stock will drop. We could buy a bunch of stock and use it to voice our opinions as part of there investors. Banks always listen to the money and I would be willing to buy a few shares to do this.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

If bank stocks drop, it won't be on account of deposits leaving. The Fed can fill that gap. Rather, if bank stocks drop, it will be because the uber levered pigs are holding too many "assets" marked to fantasy, and counter-parties to levered risks they are taking suddenly decide to flee (much as happened to MF Global).

[-] 1 points by Decoy4924 (44) 2 years ago

You may have a point but if as a group each by a little we could make a big enough buy to have a say in there company. maybe that would be enough to start a change.

[-] 1 points by RiskAverseAlertBlog (19) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

Don't get me wrong! I'm not dissing the act of withdrawing bank deposits. Without doubt, this will stand as an effective demonstration of "Occupy" solidarity. Any constructive action serving this end is very useful, indeed, particularly as it stigmatizes those reckless financier villains that, as paragons of Tyranny, are claimed to be "too big to fail."

[-] 1 points by Decoy4924 (44) 2 years ago

Agreed but I still feel more can be done with this action to turn advantage to the cause. My biggest wish is turning the very system they hold over us against them. That is why I suggested buying there stock in hopes of gaining a voice in the bank itself.

[-] 1 points by justiceforall (4) 2 years ago

would getting a petition signed and sent to The White House and Attorney General's office help stop this deal?

[-] 1 points by justiceforall (4) 2 years ago

would getting a petition signed and sent to The White House and Attorney General's office help stop this deal?

[-] 1 points by LazerusShade (76) 2 years ago

My biggest issue with this is if we get rid of Obama who is left?Ron Lawl? No is ideas i can pick apart with my eyes closed. Mitt Romney same issue...in fact there isn't a single presidential candidate i can say i actually like at this point there are just those i fear less. Republicans got us into the mess Democrats showed they are too wishy washy and UN-unionified to get us out. Third part choices are nothing but a joke. Someone from the 99% general public needs to rise to the surface in all of this and provide us with a candidate that is NOT more of the same.

[-] 1 points by foundersten (23) 2 years ago

If you didn't have such collectivist undertones this would be a great article and a fitting direction for actual solutions. Leave business alone. They are making money which is their job. They have legally accepted government handouts just like everyone on this website has if you have cashed some manner of stimulus check. The entity that has criminally failed us is the government. Focus your energy on that and you will begin to see results.

Just for the record, I do not advocate violent revolution. It's not time for that. I do, however, advocate revolution at the polls, through protests at government institutions for their disregard of the Constitution, and through a renewed commitment by every person to realize their personal responsibility for the failure of our system and the responsibility to fix it.

[-] 1 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 2 years ago

We need to Bail Out the 99%. The 1% has been bailed out way to many times with our tax-payer money. More Power to Occupy Wall Street. Fair-ness.

[-] 1 points by Garybryant2 (42) 2 years ago

No he won't. And he'd better not try.

He thinks he can get away with this because he thinks people will vote for him because, between him and the Tea Party, we have no choice.

We'll find one, my friend. Count on it.

Gary Bryant Riverside, California Garybryant30@gmail.com

[-] 1 points by dissidenty (5) from Pittsburgh, PA 2 years ago

These are really incendiary accusations, but are they true? It's not that I doubt the honesty of OWS, but if you intend to rally people against Wall Street's puppet, then it would be nice if there was some evidence cited, or a link to a news story relating to this was provided. Otherwise, it could justly be called hearsay by the movement's opponents, and the proposed march will be ignored without attracting as much attention as it should.

I know all about the robo-signing fraud, and I also know about the state obstructionism that is derailing the investigations, but can you prove that Obama is implicated in this? Is there any evidence that's even half compelling to suggest that? I don't doubt that there must be, because this has been a very reliable site. So would you mind posting some evidence or a link or something for those of us who aren't as well-informed?

[-] 1 points by abuttermaid (2) 2 years ago

Those of us who can't visit Obama's house can call and send emails.

[-] 1 points by AllIWantedWasAPepsi (3) 2 years ago

Hmmmm....I'm behind many of the ideas of OWS, but not this specific one. I agree that many of the banks took some shortcuts on some of their foreclosures, but the homes in question were in foreclosure for one reason only: their owners weren't paying their mortgages.

Bigger picture, I am really upset by the banks' previous actions of pushing bad mortgages to people. Punish them for that by not bailing them out. [TBTF is a myth; let the bastards fail. They earned it in spades.] But some of the fault with the foreclosure mess HAS TO lie with the lendee. I know that idea won't be popular here. I have had 4 mortgages for 2 different houses [2 refis and a relo], and I've managed to make all my payments on time, primarily by only buying something I can afford. The greed of the 99% is partially [only partially] at fault here, too.

Cheers to all. Now back to work. For me and you. Good luck in your endeavors.

[-] 1 points by dissidenty (5) from Pittsburgh, PA 2 years ago

One 'shortcut' that many of the big banks issuing mortgages employed involved the conscious decision not to register them properly, so that they did not comply with the Pooling and Services Agreement. This means that the mortgages, along with any securities using them as their underlying, were null and void in the first place.

In their haste to cover their tracks following the housing market collapse, and avoid taking the crippling losses that the void mortgages would entail, these same banks are using the robo-signers to rush through the foreclosure process. Although mostly delinquent homeowners are affected, there have been a significant number of cases where people who have hitherto paid their dues on time have also been run out of their homes.

The banks' negligence of the law needs to be investigated, even though it may very well damage the economy further--we can't let them get away with crimes like this or they will simply be repeated. TBTF isn't a myth, but it is misleading...it ought to be called "TBTF without tanking the whole economy." That's the sad reality. Before we can punish the banks, we need to break them up.

[-] 1 points by AllIWantedWasAPepsi (3) 2 years ago

I completely agree that shortcuts were taken in both processing the loans and the foreclosures. I definitely saw that during my refi loans....BUT I also always read the paperwork, and never got in more debt than I could handle. SOOOO many people cashed out their equity then pissed it all away on who knows what and ended up getting screwed when somehow their house value didn't go up infinitely. I feel bad for them, and think there should be some sort of mortgage relief, but I don't know what the right answer is. But I think there's a solution that could provide a 'soft landing' for both sides.

I used to put the blame about 50-50 on the lenders/lendees, but after The Big Short and The Wall Street Money Machine [among others], I put about 80% of the blame on the banks.

I don't think that the shortcuts were necessarily driven by consciously nefarious purposes, either. Simply god-awful greed on both sides. It was all a matter of processing as many loans as quickly as possible, cutting them up into virtually non-traceable tranches, and selling them to ill-informed 'investors' at other big banks.

That's where the TBTF myth comes in for me.....if these giant banks with thousands of MBAs do not understand their investments and exposures, why are we supporting them to do the same thing again? The lack of accountability in this case was stunning; yes, it would have caused unfathomable short term pain, but hiring the same people to do the same jobs they've just proven they were unqualified to do in the first is a little too much insanity for me.

Thanks for the thoughts!

PS--Any links to 'on time' payers getting foreclosed on? I haven't seen any stories on this, and would be interested to read and determine if 'good' lendees are actually getting screwed. That would change my mindset some more.

[-] 1 points by alex58 (1) 2 years ago

Everything was overpriced because mortgage/loan system. You can calculate "greed" only if you know price/cost ratio.

[-] 1 points by AnonymousMuadDib (26) 2 years ago

Take on the Higher education bubble, student loan bubble, GoldmanSachs, and the federal Reserve all at the same time. Occupy your local Art Institutes on Nov 5 in with solidarity with South Florida

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=130962100345051

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=278790262155872

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[-] 1 points by LetFreedomR1ng (1) 2 years ago

Someone suggested that this YT video should be translated and re-posted on the OWS website for everyone to see. What do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

[-] 1 points by metrostars (3) 2 years ago

A child rapist and a serial killer live on our street.

The left has said all we can do is send children to the rapist in exchange for him monitoring the killer.

The right has said all we can do is let the serial killer run amok in exchange for him monitoring the rapist. This false choice is the centrifuge of the fake Left-Right dichotomy. Being forced to choose from a set of predefined options (taxes / spending cuts / taxes & spending cuts) is not rational choice, it is a system of control; stage-managed democracy.

There is a third position that calls on the neighborhood to band together and execute both the killer (corporations) and the rapist (government).

[-] 1 points by dissidenty (5) from Pittsburgh, PA 2 years ago

Isn't that a little melodramatic? lol. I hope you're not implying that we ought to just get rid of both of those institutions. How about the neighborhood bands together and monitor the killer and the rapist? They both have to be watched all the time but the rapist, at least, might be reformed into a more reputable citizen, if the killer just stopped encouraging his deviance.

[-] 1 points by quercus (93) 2 years ago

in my day, the slogan/belief was: think global, act local. perhaps, in your day, you will do better. be care full: in the prisons of this day, the difference between a rapist and a serial killer in the hierarchy of values is vast. what i would like to convey is the difference between a corp. and govt. is politician/lobbyist, a moneychanger. in prisons, the rapists pay 'rent' (extortion) to the serial/cop killers. the names change, but hierarchy of values is much the same.

[-] 1 points by angelhugs (12) from Durant, OK 2 years ago

Love the way you put it! People have forgotten, we don't have to choice between bad or worse. We can demand our freedom back....it's worked in the past and it work again. Thank you OWS for giving us a voice. Now lets show those sorry sob's that that voice will not be ignored! Take your money out of their banks. Stop buying from their company's. Stop following this Shepard for he will lead his sheeple off a cliff.

[-] 1 points by quercus (93) 2 years ago

boggles my mind,the algorythms of this site,; i am not a tweet, a facebook, my space, and yet the choice betweem bad and worse, inveyed, (but not to be found above), is a curious note. angelhugs, me to you. quercus.

[-] 1 points by CancelCurrency (128) 2 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[-] 1 points by shizzle08 (119) 2 years ago

My fellow patriots, we find ourselves at the crossroads to the future of our great nation.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I have no more faith in our political system as it stands. They will belittle us and say that we don't understand economics. They will tell us we don't know how money works. They will even call us un-American for not agreeing with our politicians and the policies of this government. We need a solution, for we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed. We imprison our young men, allow drugs into our country, cheat honest people, prey on foreign nations, create oppressive slave institutions, and recycle privilege until it we arrive here. We are not living up to what America can be. We are poised to become a failed nation if we do not change course for the better. Hopefully it can be done peacefully, but we must not lose our nerve if it cannot.

Our leaders only care about money. They are the 1% and they play golf with their buddies on Wall Street on the weekends. They will try everything they can to silence us and go around us. If they cannot go around us they will go through us or right over us. Money talks....... We need to talk louder!

[-] 1 points by Fredone (234) 2 years ago

Record everything, people. It's called audit capability; make sure you record everything, so no matter what sort of deals are cut we still know who did what, and justice will catch up with them in the end.

If you don't record things, the trail goes cold and the criminals get away. Just basic prudence, people, gotta do your homework. Or they win.

[-] 1 points by dakota (62) from Canton, MI 2 years ago

Obama has been a great disappointment. He has allowed greatness to slip from his grasp. The American Public must vote, but we must send the message that none of the candidates are acceptable. I would like to see OWS propose an independent candidate, or at least a personification that represents the ideals of a true democracy. This personification would represent the lack of confidence that the 99% has in our government. In fact, it should be used as a write in for any candidate in the next election that fails an OWS litmus test.

[-] 1 points by dissidenty (5) from Pittsburgh, PA 2 years ago

The only problem is that OWS only represents the economic interests of the 99%; it doesn't have the support of the 99%. If you could get that many Americans to vote for anything, that would be amazing. They certainly won't come out to support an independent OWS-sponsored candidate. The movement hasn't got that kind of clout yet. All it would do is split the liberal and independent votes, and in effect, elect the Republican (which I don't need to tell you is undesirable). I think that OWS should focus on trying to co-opt members of the Democratic party, in the way that the Tea Party has successfully done. That is the best strategy for now at least, imo.

[-] 1 points by dakota (62) from Canton, MI 2 years ago

I see your point. It is my sincere hope that the Occupy clout builds between now and early next year so that this becomes a possibility. I know that there are many senior citizens that have grown disenchanted and disgusted with both parties. I believe that there are millions of us that would like to send a message at the next general election. Who knows, AARP may become a visible advocate for this movement.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 2 years ago

I would not generally be inclined to consider a Republican, but take a look at this one.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20118163-503544.html

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

0bama is only a disapointment to those who did no research on him when he was running for office. To those that did the research, he's true to form , actually even worse.

[-] 1 points by Arasmus (1) 2 years ago

I agree with the justified outrage about offering the banks a deal. However, in the interests of full disclosure, the proposal, as of the end of October, was for $25 billion, and for that money to be used to re-finance mortgages that are currently under-water. Here is a link to my source for this statement: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/financial-regulation-mortgages-idUSN1E79H21620111018 Is $25 billion enough? Is any amount now, that would relieve the suffering of "home owners" within the next 6 months better than an amount uncertain in 10 years when the litigation is done?

[-] 1 points by duranta (52) from New Orleans, LA 2 years ago

$25 billion is a drop in the bucket to what's been lost to unethical and illegal foreclosures. In addition, the illegality continues. This is a cushy deal for big banks, and they are continuing the practices.

[-] 1 points by owsartist39 (11) 2 years ago

Those of you who work in corporate America, particularly in banking, pharmacuticals, major retail, stocks and commodities, big oil, medical fields, etc. YOU should no longer stand behind the hollow words that, "I'm just doing my job." It is time for America's enablers - its employees - to give its fellow citizens some answers. This is not an act of bringing down capitalism, but instead the act of making it fairer and more honest in its dealings with us. Many of you know inside information, e.g., you are aware of training videos and classes designed to show how to dupe the consumer; drugs that are being improperly sold as remedies for things they were never approved for; pricing tricks that have gouged us all. Those of you in these industries know what needs to be exposed - so show your support and just do it. Anonymously is fine, as long as it is done publicly, e.g., send to NY Times; Huffington Post, Nation Magazine; Blogs, etc.

If you want to see corporate America start to pay attention and reduce their levels of criminality, then be a part of doing something besides saying you can't go down and join the Occupy'rs in your city. THIS may be this generations last chance to make the difference that will finally change your future.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

These people are known as "jobworths", as in "this is more than my job is worth". If, for instance, the police stood up for OWS - the corporations and politicians wouldn't have a leg to stand on, and yet they consistently come dressed for a riot with their name tags blacked out and helmets which hide their identification and as agents provocateurs to infiltrate a peaceful protest. THERE. IS. OTHER. CRIME. BEING. COMMITTED. RIGHT. NOW. UNDER. THEIR. NOSES. WHICH. IS. MUCH. MORE. IMPORTANT. TO. DEAL. WITH. THAN. PEACEFUL. PROTESTERS. But those paying their paychecks will let that crime occur thinking they have to try and squash the OWS. 'cause it's "More than their jobs are worth".

Jobsworths!

[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 2 years ago

Lao Tsu said that when leaders pat each other on the back they are all crooks. No puppets allowed!

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

Obama has turned out to be just another politician, and I see his every move as just an attempt to get money for reelection. I also find it difficult to feel much sympathy for the people that took out mortgages they couldn't afford, ARMs, student loans for a degree in something no business would ever pay for. I can't see any movement making a positive change when it's willing to rationalize irresponsible behavior.

[-] 0 points by LetsGetTheFactsStraight (30) 2 years ago

Visit LetsGetTheFactsStraight.com

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

Does this mean that Jon Corzine ( a huge bundler for 0bama) will face jail? He's hired a criminal lawyer.

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Capitalism is not the problem, CORRUPTION is the problem. Lets kick the bums out, then argue about our economic system. Electing Ron Lawl would be the easiest way .

[-] 1 points by Norway (6) 2 years ago

Corruption is the Key Word. It trumps eveything else with the exception of Human Nature. That's also why Revolution is necessary. Revolution is also necessary periodically, and will always come too late. It doesn't matter what system of Government their is on paper-over time, it's circumvented due to Humsn Nature/Corruption. Power/Wealth will concentrate in the hands of the few who will make the rules to the detriment of the many with all the smenities that go along with it-subjugation,death, torture, poverty, etc.(what's going on now). Revolution will be needed again and again-its as much a given as Human Nature.

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

where is big liberal Jon Corzine when you need him lol!

[-] 0 points by figero (661) 2 years ago

how's the hope & change working for ya lol!

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Great! Thanks! :)

[-] 0 points by D7ame2Uv (116) 2 years ago

As rights are inherent, they cannot issue from the system. What the system can do is grant privileges. The sentence, “We will not stand for a system that gives campaign contributors a right to immunity, while serving foreclosure papers to the 99%” should therefore read, “We will not stand for a system that grants campaign contributors the privilege of immunity, while serving foreclosure papers to the 99%”.

I do agree completely that any system in which the government has the power to grant anyone any privilege is inherently unjust.

[-] 0 points by MayFrock (28) 2 years ago

One starts to wonder why OWS constantly criticizes the President but not the Congress and why OWS claims to be against all polititians yet supports Ron Pawl.

[-] 1 points by hipposelect (1) 2 years ago

I can answer that. It's because he truly is not like the rest and never has been. He's a true statesman and has been fighting for We the People for more than 35 years. Please take 10 minutes out of your life and watch this video, which starts some 30 years ago and you'll see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g

[-] 1 points by nonsense (11) 2 years ago

I'm curious if you are aware that Ron Lawl is a millionaire that consistently votes against the rich having to pay their fair share of taxes? Has Ron Lawl ever tried to get corporate money out of politics? Like almost all Republicans Ron Lawl doesn't seem to have any problem with the dominance corporations have in politics thanks to that awful decision. How can you say he is for the people when he won't ask the rich to pay their fair share?

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[-] 0 points by nickhowdy (1104) 2 years ago

Obama is the Manchurian Candidate President for Hell....But what choice did we have? Our great fake democracy..

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[-] 0 points by JonoLith (467) 2 years ago

If we want Obama not to sign this, we have to go to his House and protest. It's really as simple as that.

[-] 1 points by duranta (52) from New Orleans, LA 2 years ago

Yes. And to the homes of members of the Super Committee that are about to oppose austerity on the people.

[-] 1 points by retOR1 (1) 2 years ago

totally agree. He has been not only a huge disappointment, but he is just like all the others; hands out to the big money and willing to twist our democratic principals for his personal advancement. There REALLY should be an Occupy White House movement. He does whatever he wants. Have you noticed his re-election fund? It didn't come from the average 'Joe'.

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

agreed.

[-] 1 points by SwissMiss (2435) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

I agree. Add OccupyWhiteHouse to the list.

[-] 1 points by ross1975 (3) from LaCygne, KS 2 years ago

I agree too, We need to increase this protest to Washington and everywhere we can. Obama's pretty good at telling other leaders to leave office., lets ask all them to resign today. Your fired!!!!!!!

[-] -1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

Force Change, Boycott Capitalism

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back decades to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

How else would you get a person to submit themselves to mind numbing or degrading work unless you oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that all government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.

Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change

[-] 1 points by NobodySpecial (3) 2 years ago

With all due respect, the issue is not Capitalism...it's Corporatism! There is a distinct difference between them since capitalism requires competition to thrive. Competition produces better iPads, different cell phone choices, a better hamburger. If you don't understand that, then I dare you to discard your cell phone, iPod and computer. Then, if you can come back again in 3 months and HONESTLY tell us that you still don't desire them, then your argument will hold true credence.
Corporatism means that the competition is eliminated by corporate takeovers and paid-off corrupt officials, where favoritism rules the day. The problem lies in the influence, not the process. Eliminate the corrupting influence by holding those responsible for their crimes accountable and then strictly enforcing future laws against corruption, and then Capitalism will thrive again in it's true form...where the comforts of life for all can actually improve.

One other important point: Our Constitution is probably not important to you...however, our Founding Fathers made this country a Republic, and not a Democracy...by design! You see, In a Republic, the individual is solely responsible for their own freedom and liberty and individually accountable for their own actions, whether good or bad. If you harm another individual, you solely, are responsible for your actions and you solely, must pay for harming that individual. A Democracy is nothing more than mob rule where a 51% majority can force bad on a 49% minority who don't agree with them. In a Democracy, if you harm another individual, the whole population could potentially suffer for your actions. Therefore, the two forms of rule are diametrically opposed to each other! Our Founding Fathers were very aware of this and because of it, purposely steered clear of a Democratic form of Government. They believed very strongly in your individual freedom to make your own choices! They respected the fact that at some point, you would grow up to be an independent person, responsible enough not to have to follow mommy and daddy's rules anymore! You would get to make your own life decisions and either benefit or fail from them accordingly. For proof of this, please take a minute to check out this link to the CIA's World FactBook here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html They clearly define the United States form of government as a "Constitution-based Federal Republic with a strong Democratic TRADITION!"

I respectfully thank you!

[-] 1 points by wdwgrotb (28) 2 years ago

Well said,someone knows their history.It seems that a lot of the people out there at this point in our history don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Whether it be politictions or citizens. People all over the world need to be held responsible for what ever harm they are causing to mankind .The rich don't care the politicians don't care,so, who is left but the people. Stop feeding the monster .

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

Yes, I agree completely with everything you just said. How do we get this corporatism under control, when the government won't back us?

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

And that's the problem - if the rich corporate fat cats can't be trusted, and the governemt can't be trusted, then what do we do? THAT. is why we Occupy. THAT is why the general assemblies exist, to try and demonstrate a democratic structure which works. Solutions are going to take time, which is why the Occupation is not an annoyance to dismiss, but the force of the people (ostensibly the 99% if they can ever get together as a whole, they'd be unstoppable - which, perhaps is why pretty much anything to the contrary of getting those 99% together must be viewed as a deliberate divisive attack whether it is or is not.)

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

That's funny you say that...because due to my own personal economic downfall, I have lost my house, job, money, ipod, cell phone, a laptop, and family members, and a lot of other shit and I can HONESTLY say I do not give a shit about any that stuff at this moment in time.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeWashington (81) 2 years ago

I believe you wholeheartedly.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

"Something or other about Maslow's hierarchy of needs...."

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

Excellent

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

I'm gonna just copypaste (and add some) what I said before:

about capitalism: the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism.

What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!! We've been BLEEDING OUT since 1913, you all know what happened then.

"Socialism" is the most effective tool of the Globalists for hoodwinking people into throwing out thier f'ed up system for an EVEN WORSE ONE.

And "Anarchism" just plain wouldn't work ESPECIALLY now because they have all the money and would just run right over us!

Lets throw out the CORRUPTION by informing the rest of the country about SENSIBLE solutions, THEN we can argue about our economic system!

So please stop bashing capitalism and don't listen to the people that do cause they either don't know what they're talking about or they're trying to decieve you, IMHO.

Look out for these protagonists/anarchists!

[-] 1 points by wilsondog (8) 2 years ago

A clear voice of reason in a sea of mud!

[-] 0 points by D7ame2Uv (116) 2 years ago

Question: Are you opposed to free markets?

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

a system for the exchange of goods and a government system responsible for people's lives should always remain separate.

[-] 0 points by D7ame2Uv (116) 2 years ago

You have not answered my question. Please answer yes or no, and add an explanation if you like. Regarding the response you did give: In a free society, shouldn't people be responsible for themselves?

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

If people can be trusted to police themselves - alas, they are not. The individual less so than a corporation. Just look at crimes committed and sentences judged. There is a huge inverse disparity between what the individual gets for minor infractions, and what the government and corporations get for major ones. The individual can take personal responsibillty, but the corporations and government rarely have to. If there are to be businesses, then they MUST be policed somehow so that consumers are not screwed up the wazoo. There must be an equal respect for the rights of consumers and businesses, and owners and workers - rights which balance the "power" each hold. The completely Free Market is a myth from the get go. We live in a mixed eceonomy - Capitalism AND Socialism, and THAT is what makes this country great - that there are people helping each other to better themselves through entrepreneurship and that there is a government net if life becomes a hardship through circumstances difficult to control. Those who complain that government is the problem are just involved with the interests of business, and those who say that all corporations are evil are just involved with the interests of government. It's all a dog and pony show to keep you going 'round and 'round in circles and not actually combine together to fight them both.

[-] 0 points by D7ame2Uv (116) 2 years ago

If people cannot be trusted to police themselves, who/what do you propose should do so?

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

That's what a system of law is for. And I said businesses and the government can't be trusted to police themselves. The other thing you do is create organisations based on certain standards and then disallow people to become whatever it is those organisations stand for unless they pass the standards testing. Got a police record of unjustified violence? Go home and take off your uniform.- you are unworthy of it.

[-] 0 points by D7ame2Uv (116) 2 years ago

Who (or what) creates laws? Who (or what) enforces laws? Who (or what) administers the standards testing?

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Not "boycott capitalism". Dismantle capitalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJnX96id-xI

[-] 1 points by wilsondog (8) 2 years ago

Have you been paying attention to what is going on in Europe?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Sure. I live in Europe so I´m aware. What´s your point..?

[-] 0 points by sm707 (40) from Englewood, NJ 2 years ago

Capitalism was dismantled a long time ago. Wake up.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

I agree, what we have is crony stateregulated c.. However, Private institutions are private tyrannies in both crony C or Laissezf C.

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[-] 0 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

it is already dismantling itself. ;)

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

true that. . just a mater of time,.

Best thing to do is get ready of the imminent implosion to come.., get people working together over, under , and around the current system,. as corporate capitalism is a dead end, a very messy destructive dead end.

Permaculture, SlowMoney, Degrowth.

[-] 1 points by masterandcommander (9) 2 years ago

Keep trashing Obama. That will definitely help!

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

I know what you mean - it´s not sustainable. But capitalism is just a system .Capitalism was established by humans and humans are the ones who have maintained capitalism. Humans must be the ones dismantling it.

[-] 0 points by NewWorldNow (83) 2 years ago

I happen to think that Capitalism is like language - it was not planned or designed, and it is not controlled by people. Rather, these systems co-evolve with us. Hence, no movement is going to "destroy capitalism" as that would be an attempt to destroy human nature.

What we have found is that capitalism works best with some simple rules that are well enforced. One of those rules is to keep the "enforcers" from having a stake in the game, from being corrupted. That's all that is needed.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Anti-Semitism is a complex aberration, of many facets and causes, but in its classic form (the "Jewish Bankers' Conspiracy") it simply holds that a hostile gene-pool controls the tickets for bio-security. Such paranoia is inevitable in a money economy; junkies have similar myths about who controls the supply of heroin. Thus, as anti-Semitism has declined in America, the "Bankers' Conspiracy" lives on in a new form. Now the villains are old New England WASP families, the "Yankee Establishment." Some Leftists will even show you charts of the genealogies of these WASP bankers, the way anti-Semites used to show Rothschild genealogies. C.H. Douglas, the engineer and economist, once made up a chart, which he showed to the MacMillan Commission in 1932 when they were discussing money and credit regulation. The chart graphed the rise and fall of interest rates from the defeat of Napoleon in 1812 to the date the Commission met in 1932, and on the same scale, the rise and fall of the suicide rate in that one twenty-year period. The two curves were virtually identical. Every time the interest rate went up, so did the suicide rate; when interest went down, so did suicide. This can hardly be "coincidence." When interest rises, a certain number of businessmen go bankrupt, a certain number of workers are thrown out of their jobs, and everybody's bio-survival anxiety generally increases. Marxists and other radicals are urgently aware of such factors in "mental health" and hence scornful of all types of academic psychology which ignore these bio-survival issues. Unfortunately, the Marxist remedy—making everybody dependent for bio-survival on the whims of a State bureaucracy—is a cure worse than the disease. Bio-survival anxiety will only permanently disappear when world-wide wealth has reached a level, and a distribution, where, without totalitarianism, everyone has enough tickets. The Hunger Project, the idea of the Guaranteed Annual Income, Douglas' National Dividend plan, etc. represent groping toward that goal. The ideal can only be achieved in a technology of abundance.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago

Welfare-ism, socialism, totalitarianism, etc. represent attempts, in varying degrees of rationality and hysteria, to re-create the tribal bond by making the State stand-in for the gene-pool. Conservatives who claim that no form of Welfare is tolerable to them are asking that people live with total bio-survival anxiety and anomie combined with terror. The conservatives, of course, vaguely recognize this and ask for "local charity" to replace State Welfare — i.e., they ask for the gene-pool to be restored by magic, among people (denizens of a typical city) who are not genetically related at all. On the other hand, the State is not a gene-pool or a tribe, and cannot really play the bio-survival unit convincingly. Everybody on Welfare becomes paranoid, because they are continually worrying that they are going to get cut off ("exiled") for some minor infraction of the increasingly incomprehensible bureaucratic rules. And in real totalitarianism, in which the bogus identification of the State with the tribe is carried to the point of a new mysticism, the paranoia becomes total. Real bonding can only occur in face-to-face groups of reasonable size. Hence, the perpetual attempt (however implausible in industrial circumstances) to decentralize, to go back to the tribal ethos, to replace the State with syndicates (as in anarchism) or affinity-groups (Reich's "Consciousness III"). Recall the hippie crash-pad of the sixties, which lives on in many rural communes. Back in the real world, the tickets called "money" are the biosurvival bond for most people.

[-] 1 points by MadProfit (312) 2 years ago
  1. Capitalism IS a relatively new. As civilization has advanced, the pack-bond (the tribe, the extended family) has been broken. This is the root of the widely diagnosed "anomie" or "alienation" or "existential anguish" about which so many social critics have written so eloquently. What has happened is that the conditioning of the bio-survival bond to the gene-pool has been replaced by a conditioning of bio-survival drives to hook onto the peculiar tickets which we call "money". Concretely, a modern man or woman doesn't look for biosurvival security in the gene-pool, the pack, the extended family. Bio-survival depends on getting the tickets. "You can't live without money," as the Living Theatre troop used to cry out in anguish. If the tickets are withdrawn, acute bio-survival anxiety appears at once. Imagine, as vividly as possible, what you would feel, and what you would do, if all your sources to bio-survival tickets (money) were cut off tomorrow. This is precisely what tribal men and women feel if cut off from the tribe; it is why exile, or even ostracism, were sufficient punishments to enforce tribal conformity throughout most of human history. As recently as Shakespeare's day the threat of exile was an acute terror signal ("Banished!" cries Romeo, "the damned use that word in Hell!") In traditional society, belonging to the tribe was bio-security; exile was terror, and real threat of death. In modern society, having the tickets (money) is bio-security; having the tickets withdrawn is terror.
[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

I totally disagree. Capitalism has only been around a couple of hundred years. Humans have existed over 100 000 years. For millions of years our ancestors have lived in relatively egalitarian groups cooperating for the common good, in fact as long back as "Ardi". Please read my post The Society We Should Strive For and watch the links

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-society-we-should-strive-for/

Capitalism is not sustainable and has to be eliminated if we wnat life on earth to continue.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

In my humble opinion, capitalism may be the only reason that this earth has sustained 7B people. Get rid of capitalism and you may have to decide which 3B to get rid of. Any way you look at it, unless you have a super system that you are not disclosing, getting rid of capitalism would probably result in 1B deaths within five days, to be followed by the same in another 5 days.

Divide up all the resources on this planet among 7B people and see what you end up with. Some would get $500 dollars, some a truck load of coal, someone else a couple acres of land etc etc. Someone better come up with some capital to get things running again or there are two people in this little example that won't be alive 10 days from now. If you get the coal, you probably are going to be totally dependent on the other two for your survival. How much you want for your coal - winter is coming on and it is going to be cold. Hey there is hope. Want to sell it for cash or food?? That really is what capitalism is all about.

Insert the government in this situation and you can easily see what happens. Can't burn coal - you might ruin the air: Hey you with the land - only plant corn, we can make ethanol and you will get rich selling it to the government subsidized companies: dude, we need 50% for your money- we gotta pay this guy subsidies.

Welcome to what we have become.

[-] 0 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

I agree, it's doing a great job of helping us.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

well, It´s helping us by not not being sustaniable, but on it´s way down it could take us with it if we´re not doing something soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck

[-] 0 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

yes, we must begin planning and preparation. I am happy there are folks already learning how to sustain themselves in the streets, none of this would be possible without them.

They need to start planting public gardens and local farming this American Spring.

[-] 0 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Planting public gardens and local farming are good causes, but I think our main focus must be fighting for freedom and democracy and getting rid of capitalism.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

You have to have spent you life somewhere far removed from these idyllic public gardens and local farming operations. I grew up on a farm, we were probably 75% self sustaining but you have NO idea what that really means do you.

How long is your growing season where you live. A garden can only sustain you for about 1 month maximum in most growing areas That of course, it totally dependent on things beyond your control-weather, rain, lack of hail bug infestations, etc.

Then there is the matter of preserving what you need for the other 11 months and saving back enough good seed for the next season. That preserving thing can require a lot of work and quite a few resources. You want to go sustainable all the way - you got a lot of drying and pickling to do. Count our preservation by refrigeration (not sustainable), by canning (questionable sustainability). etc.

Didn't we try this in Arizona a few years ago - we called it something or other, I am sure you recall.

And speaking of sustainability - do you have any idea how many quarts of food you would have to preserve by cannning or drying just to feed yourself for one year. It would be fun to try but I sure would want capitalism to be a backup for me when my best efforts fail.

[-] 0 points by bettersystem (170) 2 years ago

we'll need food and natural medicines.

[-] 1 points by futher (35) 2 years ago

freedom and democracy are a big part of having food, water, shelter, and clothes. We have lost the former, and may well loose the rest. While we are dismantling the global financial casino, we will also be expanding the markets - farmers markets, for example - that work for the 99%. It'll be like reinventing the wheel, only without the topheavy mismanagers. In a way, all we really need to learn to do is figure out who we can trust, and deal only with them. Not that people you can't trust are not dangerous; we will need to be determined to endure. We being 99% of the global population.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 2 years ago

Great idea - those farmers markets. We have two in our area. They open in August and close in August usually sell out by noon. Well maybe a little sooner if you like radishes and a little later if you want some dried corn and a pumpkin or two.

I am sorry, but I don't think that freedom and democracy has produced much of todays' food supply directly. What it did produce was the freedom and democracy to develop a system that would provide food, water, shelter and clothes to 7B people. You only need look at the US Census information for the early years of this country to see the true development of capitalism. It really a history lesson in the development of this country and of capitalism and the population increased to the 300M+ we see today. Whether that is sustainable is the real question- with or without capitalism.

What is really interesting it the fact that the filthy rich are in a much better position to be stainable than the 99%.

I cannot believe the number of educated people on this forum that believe that we are not dependent on others for our total existence today. Get rid of capitalism, freedom, democracy . . .. and you are likely among the 1B that die within 5 days (starvation, disease, lack of shelter mostly). I do not even want to be here on this earth for what follows that first five days.

[-] -1 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 2 years ago

The moral of such a deal is simple: when banks break the rules, the rules have to change - retroactively. What this means is that, really, the bank is the law and what is written in the statute books is just a make believe.

[-] 0 points by Hamlet2086 (33) 2 years ago

Remember the past and change the future. Every little bit helps. Kick start the global economy by buying a year's supply of toilet paper with Lloyd Blankfein's face on it. Thomas Jefferson once said that we have certain inalienable rights, including the pursuit of happiness. Personally, I get so very happy when I ponder millions of suffering people worldwide making the aforementioned Lloyd kiss their cheeks before enshrining him in their individually chosen sewage system. It retoreth my faith that the Creator had a such good things in mind while inventing diarrhea.