NYPD Swarming Liberty Square in Bloody Assault.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 2:05 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Live Updates
- 3:26 pm: video of bloodied protestor *warning: graphic content
- 3:12 pm: thousands marching down both sides of Broadways toward Union Square; others taking subways throughout the five boroughs
- 2:38 pm: march gathering to join student strike at Union Square.
- 2:28 pm: videographer reports assault by undercover cop, video coming soon.
- 2:28 pm: surrounded by media, occupiers inside Liberty Sq chant "the whole world is watching"
- 2:26 pm: heavy police presence continues, occupiers undaunted
- 2:18 pm: Liberty Square reopened, occupiers return inside to see blood on the ground
- 2:11 pm: multiple victims reported. Witnesses confirm man tackled from behind by NYPD, bloodied, stripped of clothing.
- 1:56 pm: at least one medic reports protestor bleeding from the head inside the Square. NYPD is preventing medics from helping.
- 1:53 pm: for no apparent reason, police have invaded Liberty Square and began indiscriminately shoving people and reportedly hitting people with batons
- 1:49 pm: paddy wagons approaching; more and more police surrounding the square; no way in or out; imminent mass arrests anticipated
- 1:43 pm: police using metal barricades to seal off Liberty Square; peaceful protestors are being told they are not allowed to leave; widespread reports of violence inside
- 1:38 pm: helmeted police are raiding Liberty Square, batons drawn; they have closed off the entrances and are not letting people in or out
- 1:26 pm: reports that riot police are mobilizing just outside Liberty Square; NYPD attempting to search Wikipedia "Free Bradley Manning" truck
Chicago '68 all over again. Punk cops, and a punk mayor. And this is just going to bring more people into the streets--good work, Mikey, you fascist little monkey!
it is very complicated to manage a growing movement. the clash is between those who adhere to the old model of might equals right, versus those who are seeking to work with a new model of interdependence. there are good, bad and neutral people on both sides. the people who are upset must recognize that above all what they are witnessing are the social consequences of ignorant and unskillful actions and choices made by individuals and corporations and government. things have reached a "tipping point" and that tipping point is now.
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Forcible occupations (of the subway or anything else) is also a "might equals right" philosophy. You are no different from those you protest.
it is the logical application of our right to assemble. We can presume it was just so when the Queen of France said:
Let them eat cake
In time, the people of France
took off her head.
Actually, the Queen of France never said this. It's a myth. But yeah, you can still use it as a metaphor since most people think it's true.
I disagree that occupying public spaces is the logical application of the right to assemble. The logical application of that right would be to assemble for the clear purpose of engaging in discussion with everyone, not just the 99%. Once the discussion is over, the assembly would be terminated and people would go home, no need to camp and forcibly take the parks away from the citizens. No reason to force discussion. If the protesters simply met in parks opened their mics and discussed issues, then more and more people would gather. Including cops. If people then went home and only used the parks a few hours each day, the cops would have no reason to try to arrest or vacate them.
Occupy is losing a lot of steam because it's tactics are more annoying to the 99% than to the 1%. So, this discussion is not a major use. In a few months or less, Occupy will have died by shooting itself in the foot.
I'm not so sure about that. There is a bit of disinformation going on - CBS for example last night insisted that there were no more than a thousand gathered in New York. This clearly shows that there are interests that do not want the pubic dialog to enter into questions of social, economic, and environmental justice.
This is an international movement. If you go to:
http://www.foei.org/en/what-we-do/economic-justice/latest-news/foei-statement-in-support-of-the-99
you will see pictures of protest signs in Britain - bearing the 99% logo.
Massive demonstrations is the most efficient means of forcing the public dialog out of the hands of those who attempt to guide it.
Carl with a K Rove is apparently talking about us. That he feels constrained even to acknowledge that we exist is, in and of itself, a measure of success.
There is a long road ahead - but even if the massive demonstrations stopped tomorrow - which they won't - we would have still awoken people not only in this country but around the world to the fact that humanity needs to do something different.
And we need to do something different very very soon.
true. OWS invades. Occupy is making war on America and we can be thankful for police protection of our parks, roads, sidewalks, ports, stores so that everyone can use them, not just the invaders.
I really think the NYPD needs to set a new precedent for "community policing" and should try to work more with protesters online. I just watched the TheOther99% live video of a situation in Zuccotti Park where they blocked off all access to the park. People were trapped in the park, and even the person narrating the feed was convinced there were about to be mass arrests. The police in the cordon knew nothing about what would happen, or at least said that. But in just a few minutes, after one person was apprehended (rather bloodily, apparently) the park was opened again.
Now there is no reason, none at all, why the police could not have a live Twitter feed or something where they post messages to OWS participants or to the citizens of the First Precinct at large. An action like this is not too spontaneous to announce - there were dozens if not hundreds of cops involved, and multiple vehicles. At least once the park was cordoned off, there's no reason why they could not have posted that they were closing off the park only momentarily while they apprehended a suspect; perhaps they could even have posted a description and what he was wanted for. If they didn't have people terrified that they're about to be arrested simply for speaking their minds, they could win over community support against at least some criminal elements mixing in among the protesters. The way they did it, they're lucky they didn't start a stampede of people jumping the barricade en masse and possible casualties or confrontations.
True, regardless of what anyone thinks of OWS - selfless protesters against societal corruption, or silly folks who are in the way - the way things are unfolding shows NYPD culture in a damned ugly light.
Bloomburg want to destroy this movement.
Sounds easy enough in theory. Would you care to put yourself in the place of an NYPD officer? I have a lot of respect for what they do and I don't think they have time to tweet. People participating in this type of thing know the risks.
Uniform police onsite should to be paying attention to the protest and not tweeting, true... press liason police in HQ could, however, tweet what the department's doing.
Participants should NOT be expected to accept excessive police force just because they "know the risks". It's got to be very hard for police officers to stay calm and collected in this sort of situation, but that's no excuse for bad behavior.
I think it's a perfect excuse for bad behavior. They're not superhumans. They're people that are in the middle of trying to control a potentially very dangerous situation. This is not a peaceful demonstration. If it were then this behavior would not be an issue.
If you're a police officer, the city's giving you a bunch of authority to keep the peace, and it's your responsibility - no matter how tired or irritated you are - to act properly. A cting properly is part of a policeman's job, as well as part of being a decent person!
Why would the cops want to work with Occupy? On each new poster, Occupy demonizes them more and more. On the last poster they were represented as Tinanmen Tanks for crying out loud.
Police do a lot of their work in communities where they aren't well liked. That hasn't stopped them from trying to engage more productively - often with some measure of success.
Do those communities have anti-police propaganda posters designed to demonize police as much as possible coming out every week? Sorry, but if a bunch of kids compared me to a Tinanmen Tank, I wouldn't really care too much about helping them.
Its not like the police have been helping their own image by pepper-spraying elderly women:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/dorli-rainey-pepper-spray-occupy-seattle_n_1097836.html
Please see this string of comments re "Glaucon"/"Thrasymaque": http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-we-are-being-censored-by-sockpuppets/#comment-370676
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If you're going to consider that all cops are bad because a few made stupid mistakes like that, can I consider that all occupiers are bad because some made quite a mess in Oakland? Occupy portrays the police as Tienanmen Tanks because of a few mistakes like this pepper-spray incident, so please, let me call the occupiers whatever I want since some idiots broke some windows in Oakland.
No, it's more a matter of asking why all the supposedly 'good ones' stood around and allowed it to happen, then failed to arrest their fellow officers for such illegal behaviors.
You know; like they would if anyone -not- wearing a blue suit were to behave in such a criminal manner.
The last time I looked, conspiracy to violate civil rights and complicity in criminal actions were illegal.. even for Johnny Law...
Please see this string of comments re "Glaucon" / "Thrasymaque": http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-we-are-being-censored-by-sockpuppets/#comment-370676
I understand your point. I also understand that the poster in question displays far more about who he is, and his purpose 'here,' than he apparently believes he lets on.
But your point's taken. Thanks.
I felt the same way when I saw the videos in Occupy Oakland. All the good protesters stood there watching as the black bloc broke some windows. None tried to stop them, and some seemed even happy at the violence.
Instead of pulling out posters that demonize the police, why don't you try doing the opposite. That might work better. Get out, love a woman, live. Life is short young man.
By the way, we're not in Oakland; we're referring to Wall St. and Zuccotti Park/Liberty Square today. That's whose web site we're on here.
Ahh, more of that misstated reference to 'young man.'
Tell me; how many of the by-standers in Oakland swore an oath to uphold the laws?
Oh, my old man. How so very little you understand of Occupy. You have seen nothing yet. The Tinanmen Tanks were just the beginning of the intensification of violence you will see on the posters... then....
The difference is that those "black bloc" idiots were not part of the Oakland movement. They were anarchists who infiltrated the larger group, and were quickly pointed out.
Are there "splinter groups" of police? Aren't they all following the same orders, given out by the same chiefs in each area? Who is going to point out the "bad apples" in the police force? Its not the police, that's for sure.
Those windows don't feel pain. That elderly woman is certainly feeling pain today.
I agree that the Tienanmen Square imagery may be a bit strong, but I don't think that dilutes the point. The police have been "following orders" by assaulting, pepper-spraying, tear-gassing, and doing other in-humane actions towards an overwhelmingly peaceful crowd. A few outcasts breaking windows does not make the poster's point any less valid. I do agree, though, that it would be less contentious to have a picture of the actual police attacking with batons. Even an image showing officers with covered/hidden badges with the caption "why are they hiding their names?" would be effective.
What about the Nov 2nd poster that showed blood dripping from handcuffed wrists. Is that good for the promotion of non-violence?
I think the most effective would be to stop demonizing the police and do the complete reversal. If the police are shown as gentle, cooperative and nice people, part of the 99%, then it would be much harder for them to attack if that imagery was already in the minds of everyone. However, I think Occupy wants the cops to attack and that's why it promotes a violent imagery designed to separate police from occupier, instead of the opposite which would be a lot better.
No one is stopping you from making your own, friendlier, posters/flyers/etc. Go join your local Outreach group and put that idea out there. You are obviously very concerned about the type of imagery that someone is putting on the flyers. Find who is submitting the flyer designs for this group, and add your input.
Personally, I think we need major police reform in this country. There needs to be such a strong incentive not to assault/pepper-spray/tear-gas peaceful groups of people that your average cop will think twice before following that order. Cops who violently assault peaceful protestors should be held accountable to the full extent of the law. That cop who pepper sprayed the 84-year-old woman should serve time behind bars for what he/she did.
We need a compassionate police force that works with the people instead of demonizing them. A police force that is accountable for its own actions. A police force that will do everything in its power to PROTECT 1st amendment rights, instead of squashing them through the use of force.
I'm not saying that it is right to demonize the police force as a whole, like you claim the posters do.What I am saying is that people are angry over how many of these police officers are doing their jobs, and they have every right to express that displeasure.
I did try to pass some of my ideas to the comity in charge of imagery, but they told me the anarcho-communist look was staying and their goal was to demonize the police as much as possible. The posters in December and January will continue to get progressively more violent.
Really? I'm not a part of the NY movement, so I have no first-hand info about that working group. That does sound odd.
Sounds like you may want to bring this up at the next General Assembly. I highly doubt that a majority of the people in the NY movement want the imagery to get more violent. If anything, I would see people pushing for more neutral images in order to attract a wider swath of potential activists.
It may help to have more than one flyer/poster design to choose from for each of these events. It seems like there is only person actually designing the graphics in NY. Surely there is more than 1 person in the NY group that knows how to use Photoshop?
The general assemblies don't have much control over the posters. There is a propaganda group taking care of that, and they have detailed plans reaching pretty far into the future. Many posters are exact copies of old Russian communist propaganda posters. The look and feel have been detailed since day one. They almost always use the black and red colors of anarcho-communism. The whole bull imagery was designed from day one. The first poster was the dancer on top of the bull. Lately, some posters have started putting bankers in front of the bull so that the bull horns look like devil horns. This idea of progression has been there from the start. From what I understand the plan is to slowly create a gap between the police and the occupiers. The police are demonized as horrible oppressors, while the protesters are being made to look like victims, almost martyrs. Another idea is to use the words non-violent instead of peaceful. Slowly they will start exaggerating the world violent, until it is impregnated in the minds of the protesters. Occupy is really planned to start in 2012. The real Occupy I mean.
The posters in most other cities are also following a similar path. Look at the progression of the posters in your area. It's really interesting to take as many posters as possible and put them in chronological order. You really see an interesting intensification of violent themes and epithets.
It's quite possibly the most violent imagery of a "non-"violent group in history.
The original ballerina on top of a bull came from a radical left magazine in Canada. I'm seeing more and more evidence that Canadian socialists are behind a lot of this. I don't know their game at this point.
Yes, AdBusters. It's a famous magazine in my country. I am Canadian. This website is also owned by AdBusters.
I must have missed the disclosure that this site is owned or run by AdBusters... Where is it?
So, my question is this... How does Canada benefit from a destabilized US? Is chaos a goal in itself?
How much of a role does the Euro, Ruble or Yuan play in the Canadian economy?
Oh... And this little gem explains a lot... http://www.cpusa.org/solidarity-with-occupy-wall-street/
There is no disclosure on the site. Read the article I posted for you. AdBusters didn't have a big part in it like you think. It's mainly Americans who designed Occupy and it's almost all Americans who are protesting and making decisions in the GA's.
Yes, I read the article. Very interesting.
AdBusters had the initial idea, but they were calling for a different type of protest. On the first day, David Graeber showed up and designed Occupy as an anarchy. Read this article: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/david-graeber-the-antileader-of-occupy-wall-street-10262011.html (It has seven or so pages)
Canada's economy is closely coupled with the economy of U.S.
Huh... Glaucon... just out of curiosity.... how much do you get paid?. It must be worth the damages in your own future. xD.. (else, it's a bad deal. ^^)
I wish I did get paid.
Day in and day out the cops work with people who are in or somehow entangled with gangs that enforce "Stop Snitchin'" in the most extreme way. I don't think a couple of posters are going to faze them much.
And despite the posters, I think that a lot of people who favor the OWS cause still realize that these cops are not shooting people, not running wild with billy clubs, not dripping liquid pepper spray directly into protesters' eyes, not tear-gassing half of downtown, not blasting away with tasers at anyone who yells too loudly ... in short, are doing a whole lot better job of trying to respect First Amendment rights than the cops in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s often did.
And we should not forget that if the cops were entirely absent, it's all too likely that some kind of mass property damage or worse would have badly discredited OWS by now, even though it is not wanted by most of the people involved.
Protesters and police may have been at each others' throats in this country for over 200 years, but things are finally reaching the point where the end of the conflict is within sight. Yes, there are still incidents that get each side hopping mad, but a genuine acceptance of and familiarity with freedom of expression is taking root in our society.
I simply think the end of the conflict would come much sooner if OWS stopped trying to demonize the police with their posters and news reports like on this very web page. For example:
I looked into this and it simply is not true. The NYPD is not trying to stop medics from reaching injured citizens. It's this type of false reporting that does nothing but demonize the police, just like portraying them as Tiananmen Tanks. A police officer was slashed yesterday, but it's not on this sites news. Occupy is not transparent and are engaging in a propaganda campaign to make the police look bad. This is one of the major elements that will kill them in the end.
You definitely have a point there, though I think this particular report is at worst rumor, and really rather plausible. From what I've seen in videos, the OWS doesn't actually have licensed medical personnel or prescription medications at hand - it seems unlikely to me that the police would allow someone in custody to be given medical treatment by what they think of as some random person out of the crowd, especially if he asked to see the person in the middle of an arrest.
I think that both OWS and the police are trying to make everything out to be as serious as possible whenever possible. It is unfortunate in both cases, but when people are stigmatized for arrests even when charges are unsustainable, or denied an effective defense by a system where trial by jury has become passe, it stirs up strong emotions. I think you're right that the confrontational tone can be reduced, but in order to truly eliminate it there are a lot of medium-sized systematic injustices that need to be set straight.
True, the message has been in large part hijacked away from tax policy and toward things like the right of homeless people not to be arrested and the right of poor people to have a trial first and serve the sentence afterward rather than the other way around. But I think conceptually this was inevitable: what's left of the middle class can't effectively advance its cause against the rich without recognizing the grievances of the poor against everyone else.
Umm, did they not just use mechanized equipment to clear the Square and the personal possessions therein, a mere two nights ago??
.... Maybe I dreamt that...
So that makes it OK for Occupy to have pulled out a poster 3 days ago which was designed at least a week ago, before the night you refer too, that compared the police not to bulldozers but to Tinanmen Tanks ordered out by a communist dictator? You realize you make no sense right? Are you 16?
I think that some distinct parallels in behaviors can most certainly be found therein.
Is it OK for the police to compare the protesters to Osama Bin Laden because some of them broke windows in Oakland? And no, there are no parallels to be made. Comparing the police in NYC to Tinanmen Tanks ordered by a communist fascist dictator is nonsensical and only serves to create more hatred between the police and occupiers. You need to study history young man. I almost feel you have never lived, never loved a woman. Get out there.
If you'd like, I can methodically go through the disparities between the analogies of referring to the police in ways that remind a person of the Chinese Government's and Military's response to civil unrest, and the Protesters being compared to Osama bin Laden.
But instead I'll be brief here.
In the case of comparing the two governments' suppression of civil disobedience, or even just basic protest, albeit unwanted by the regimes in question, both entities officially employed formidable force for what amounted to non-issues, other than for the prospect of inconveniences to a limited number of persons, or the threat of political ideologies being further roasted or scrutinized.
In the other comparison, there is not even a distant similarity between bin Laden's methodology and OWS as a whole.
Furthermore, OWS has been publicly critical of those individuals who have chosen to destroy others' things or use violence. The NYPD has had officers on the clock, formally affiliated with them, engaging in specific abuses of both authority and force, and then simply typically denies the existence of said abuses..
I can be much more thorough and specific if need be..
By the way, I'm in my 50s, a semi-retired professional (former mental health clinician), and father of three, married for 22 years. Young man?
I had a feeling you had never loved before, my mistake. 50 is still young. You have a ways to go. Would you prefer old man?
Yes, please indulge in a methodical listing of "disparities between the analogies of referring to the police in ways that remind a person of the Chinese Government's and Military's response to civil unrest, and the Protesters being compared to Osama bin Laden."
That's the homework I give you for tonight. You have two days.
The point is that Occupy should not be trying to demonize the police to create a gap with the occupiers by using violent imagery, but instead it should use peaceful imagery that show the cops cooperating with the occupiers. If this imagery gets widely spread and into the conscience of Americans, then it becomes very hard for the police to turn to violence. Demonizing the police on the posters does no good at all, unless you want to create more tension and eventually start a civil war. Oops... I think I'm saying too much here. Forget that last bit.
BTW - The US police has not used formidable force against the Occupy protesters. It's not even close to the force used in Tinanmen. I live in a country where formidable force means the police using their M-16 (which they always carry) to shoot down protesters, or jail them for life.
I see you're another subscriber to that debilitating 'negative relativism,' for all of its downward spiralling further away from ideals and dreams.
Simply stating that because 'A' has it worse than 'B', therefore 'B' is acceptable, or doesn't represent a serious issue or concern, violates basic mathematical rules...
Saying one is lesser than or greater than, does not disprove the parallels.
It's all good old man. If you like violent imagery you will be served in the near future. The plan is for the posters to get progressively more violent and eventually lead the minds of the young occupiers into.... ah... I said too much already...
And you see me or others, in the majority here, becoming more violent in our words? Then you truly need an eye examination.
The poster to which you refer simply makes a metaphor of the imbalance of physical force, and a reminder that proper causes have a different sort of power than hardware and physical might.
But why such an image concerns you so much is curious, to say the least... At least initially.
You seem to fixate on an extreme interpretation, then further that viewpoint, as though it represents something concrete or literal in reality.
In light of that, I don't need to wonder too terribly long about what your MOS might've been in your 'professional career.'
I'm an artist, hence my deep interest in the imagery of Occupy. The imagery was started by AdBusters which is a Canadian company known for it's clever advertising and beautiful imagery. The Tienanmen Tank poster is beautiful, so as is the Oakland Strike poster. I'm also interested by the fact that many of the posters are taken directly from old Russian communist posters. Some are exact copies with only the words changed. I find it very interesting. I also find it fascinating to look at how they are making the imagery progress. For example, the lady dancing on top of the bull, and then a man placed in front of the bull where the bull horns become the devils horn: see Devil Banker poster. The violence has progressively intensified since the beginning, and I'm eager to see where this leads. Iv'e heard the November and December posters will be pretty intense. It's fun to follow this. Thanks for the chat old man. Have a nice day.
Oh, it does represent something concrete. Imagery is extremely powerful. The most important tool of propaganda. Another is words. Have you read the point by point summary of the news above? It's pretty much in line with the poster theory. The cops are being demonized, while the protesters are being made to look like angelic victims. Arguing over this point is banal at this point. I can only say that you will be served in violent imagery in the upcoming months.
Don't you see? The cops don't want to acknowledge OWS. Why the hell would they setup a 'twitter feed' for a group of people who is wasting the tax dollars of NYC to protest things they can't even specify?
The goal of the NYPD is to disperse the protesters and get them out of the city and rightfully it should be. This isn't Washington DC where you go protest your elected officials. This is NYC where people WORK to get into their positions. It is not the people's job to choose or criticize their work.
Get out.
They used to work. now they can't.
nyc is part of america too, covered in full by the US constitution's 1st amendment right to free speech.
The people in OWS are citizens of the United States, and therefore citizens of the state of New York. They are not a "waste", but the public the NYPD exists to serve. More to the point, they are the public that the NYPD should seek to work with rather than be alienated from. Your attitude, of writing off certain groups of people and thinking of them as an enemy, had a lot of traction in the bad old days of racism - but it is far more effective for police to engage productively with the community, stay in touch, and try to get things done.
In this case, for example, if the police posted that they were going to enter Zuccotti Park to apprehend a certain suspect, with a given description, who had lacerated a cop's hand with a bottle, it is conceivable that protesters might refuse to help and require a large squad to plunge into the crowd. Which is what happens if they don't try to communicate with the people. But it's also conceivable that the protesters, being overwhelmingly committed to peaceful, nonviolent action, would cooperate with the police, pointing out the suspect and standing aside while he was apprehended. That's just a better situation for everyone involved - probably even the suspect, who might have avoided losing some teeth.
So very well said.
OWS may not have a program of solutions, but there's no mystery why they're protesting: after defrauding ludicrously huge amounts of money, the perpetrators are not only let off scot free but are bailed out by the government! It makes perfect sense to call this out in the financial capital of the country.
stfu your a slave and you don't even know it
"the whole world is watching" - you bet. Greetings from Europe. Let`s hope this will end the nightmare.
Good to see that some Europeans still have common sense.
KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!! The only way you, OWS, all will make a difference is if you affect the day to day operation or flow of life, commerce, and or government. As i once witnessed in France, their government wanted to raise fines, tolls, taxes, etc. on all commercial truck drivers and trucking companies. What happened next was amazing. All French trucking companies and drivers criss crossed their trucks across all major highways in their country, completely blocking and disabling the transportation of all goods throughout the country. This lasted for about a week or less, until the government backed down and reversed its decision. It worked because it takes a protest of this scale to affect change. Occupying a park, although symbolic, will never ever ever do anything to change how disgustingly our government and the rich control all our lives, and continue to make the rich richer. You need to regroup, and i mean regroup all OWS protesters from across the country to a few very large simultaneous protests because small groups here and there won't really make a statement and can be easily intimidated and disbanded by authorities. You need a board of smart leaders that can effectively communicate a set of real smart ideas and demands and better organize the movement. You need to continue to use social media as a way to communicate as they did in the middle east to oust their dictators. But most of all you need to make one massive statement by protesting and affecting the day to day operation or flow of life, commerce, and or government. It will be the only way that you will get the govt and the rich to stop.......turn around......and stare in awe at the EPIC scale of the movement before them, and realize that the time has come, and that We The People have officially drawn the line in the sand, and are no longer willing to play their game any longer. IT IS THE ONLY WAY. Thank you.
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You just don't stop, do you?
The U.S. way is to credit the CEO of any outfit if his decisions go well. The CEO is also to be blamed when his decisions are poor ones. In the case of the traditionally uptight NYC police department and their past, current and future overreactions to non-violent protesters, the blame goes to CEO Bloomberg; his command decisions to police commissioner Kelly were badly directed or indirected.
Goo Job OWS!! The World believes in you... To the GOP/tea/indep., and your hateful comments about OWS! How do you feel to be a part of a party that is eradicating the middle to the upper middle class; where do you see yourselves in 5years making 3% on the dollar while the wealthy GOP just uses every ounce of you all up…Not just the United States but you…, the GOP are transparent to the world now….we see what you are doing. Here comes the Tea/indep. clowns....Puppets to the GOP! The GOP/tea-indep.- repub. Ashamed to even know them! The hateful emails about OSW on msn. They are fighting for your rights too! Where do you see yourselves in 5 years, do you think the GOP cares! Look at their actions in the newly formed Congress!! OWS is doing something no one would even think about doing. Your anger calling them names sounding like the dominions for the GOP and then saying join the tea. How stupid do you think they are? They are 100xs smarter…Ashamed to be associated with the GOP/tea-indep-repub. OWS we all believe in you. Unlike the tea the OWS cause is just and correct. Unlike the newly put GOP/repub. in office who stifles the progress of the US for a vote! Not just America sees it but the whole world knows now! Ashamed to be GOP!
Don't have an orgasm yet. The fun is just starting. Take your time.
"The whole world is watching" has never yet stopped fascists from clubbing people but now , at least, the whole world knows who the fascists are-- not the NYPD (except for the 10% bad apples) but the people who unleashed them against the people-- the Bloomberg-Kelly axis and the folks at Homeland "Security". The constitution is being violated--where's "our" president?
Are you dumb or just stupid? Ever wonder why the NYPD walk around with their own camera? It's because whenever they fight with a protestor, it's to have evidence that the protestor attacked them first.
Almost EVERY youtube clash I've seen in NYPD and OWS has started with the protestor touching the officer. Yes, welcome to America. It is not a wise decision to lay your hands on a cop in the middle of a protest. Are you dumb or just stupid?
Go back over all the video footage and you'll see for yourself the cowards (especially the fat women) who slap the officers in the back when they aren't looking.. next thing you know they're being dragged on their fat asses to jail. OH WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? Please you fat sucker, save it.
Again, get a job. Get a life. Get out of our city. Thanks.
This is just stupid troll ranting. I've worked with the police 90% are good guys-- but I've seen under covers throw bricks through store windows so the uniforms can rush in and make arrests! I've had police show me switch blades they carry around with them to throw down at a shooting scene in case they made a mistake. Its fascist garbage like this reply that we have to lookout for-- don't believe a word of this guy's rant.
Why not? He's 100% right. You can't touch a cop, that's an assault. WhY do they arrest you when you do, you ask? because they have deadly weapons on them (which they have a right and a responsibility to use by the way) and they can legitimately believe that you can be going for their gun when you touch them. You do not touch a cop. or you get arrested, and this is what getting arrested looks like. And then you get your day in court to 'tell your story' to the judge, because that's how the system works. You don't argue your point with the cop, you tell it to the judge.
Maybe OWS will wind up changing some case law when their cases come up.
Dow and Nasdaq are taking a dive.
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Are you serious? My Chinese stokes have been going up since this morning.
Yeah, and it's totally 100% because of the protest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Likewise, OWS will claim their little march was responsible for sending the stock market down.
Just like the rest of the movement, the idiots will believe they were actually responsible for a world wide market that doesn't even care about them/laughs at them.
Get an education and come back and tell me if Redistribution of Wealth is such a good idea.
Hey if they want to take the blame for bankrupting the retirement funds of millions of Americans, let them. Any onw else who has plans for a retirement and sees the markets go down says "fuck". If they want to see it as a good sign for the average american, more power to them.
why dont they spread out .. go to ohter parks ..then they cant barricade everyone
Thank you for the coverage, just FYI; they're called police trucks. Paddy Wagon is a racial slur. Thanks.
hmmm...does not show the whole story. It is possible that this person started the confrontation with the police. It is possible that the police started it. Did he fall and then fight? Did the fight then fall? Was he hit by the police? Was he hit by another OWS'er who started a fight? Did he start a fight with someone else?
Time to occupy The Capitol and Congress.The elected officials in DC are ignoring the Occupations like they will go away.T6o be completly heard we must Occupy Congress!
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there needs to be many more like you and this stupid party will end very quickly.
Oh there's quite a few at my work that have had enough. The tide of support is going to change very very quickly after tonight - you don't mess with NY'ers and expect to get away with it.
Don't you realize that this march and protest will benefit you too Jimmy, you are the 99% just like us. This rich people and corporations will say to you one day without remorse, you are laid off!!!, they won't care about your family, your responsibilities, your bills, if they don't need you they screw you, they use you, and then you will be chanting and supporting those who have gone through that already and just like you and your co-workers have had enough from their abuse. If you think this is wrong, you really need to do some research about the economy and who really controls America, the world and YOU! Sheep, slaves of that disgusting 1% of thieves!!!
This does NOT help me or anyone else - 99.99% of the people you will be inconveniencing are the people you claim to represent! This action (the subway blockage I mean) is misguided and will turn many against your cause. NY'ers are not a forgiving bunch. If you can't see this, than you are blind.
I don`t think so. The nightmare have to be broken somehow. Maybe know you will realize that something is wrong. Open your eyes.
Big bad Jimmy occupies face with fist. Big bad Jimmy occupies jail. Big bad Jimmy gets occupied by Tim's big bad lizard.
Guess again moron. You break the law, you physically stop me from going where I want to go, then I will defend myself against your actions against me. You will go to jail, not me. The law is pretty clear on this.
So a brash young man you are.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
NYPD: WORST Police DEPARTMENT in the United States! Charges of police brutality-dropped, rape-dropped! YOU will be JUDGED!! Bad job MAYOR YOU will be JUDGED!! The whole world is watching!!
Note: If you initiate physical contact with a riot control officer who is on the edge already and you try to tip off his protective gear you are a danger to him and deserve what you get
There isn't one of them that has gotten what they deserve. If they got what they deserve they would be heading to jail right after their weeks stay in the hospital. You do not touch the police. We live in such a disrespectful time.
It's 2011, technology is more important to the markets than people physically working in the buildings on and around Wall St. You're not hurting traders or the 1%. You're only hurting your fellow 99%ers who own the small businesses around Wall St. that rely on the people coming there to work for business, and employ people who otherwise might not have jobs.
Really, the only good that's coming out of this for any of the 99% would be the overtime that the NYPD is making.
True, the market is largely automated and the fluctuations are so drastic that only the extremely wealthy can weather them. That's the point! Wall Street is where these people are represented. Your argument is short sighted.
This is the way NYPD and Forked-Tongue Bloomberg repay the embarassment they suffered as a result of their own excessive, unconstitutional, and punitive behaviors; physically brutalizing those they swore to protect and serve, for whom the message is clear; we will inflict suffient personal pain and trauma as to dissuade others from coming back.
Both NYPD and Bloomberg should be charged under RICO for operating a continuing criminal enterprise, for conspiring to brutalize persons in violation of their own stated rules regarding the further use of Liberty Square.
Legal!!! Rip 'em a new one....
时间的胡言乱语,打的纽约警察局!
also the sound is very fuzzy; can you get in closer? it would be great to see some familiar faces.
guys hold the camera still and get a little closer to the speaker/s please!
did any one this from Miclael Moore--wow {http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/occupy-wall-street-michael-moore-connects-the-federal-government-to-encampment-raids}
compare Bloomberg's sententious babble and recent sanitary concern with Cong. Rangel's remarks in the House-Hon. Charles Rangel Rises. Read his remarks in Cong.Record. on the "occupiers". "This Is what democracy is all about" http://www.gpo.gov:80/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-11-02/pdf/CREC-2011-11-02-pt1-PgE1986-2.pdf#page=1
Did anyone record that ladies speech from Yemen on the peoples mic around 1130 pm est.
It was very moving!!
The original police attack on 'Romania' is here. Warning Very Graphic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZ3ZWRpA5s You can verify that it was him at 3:40. The video showing the after math is above, or at 0:04 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNsG1szQPqo
Hang Tight!
You all need help. Let me ask around. We are prior military and support you. You need shields and masks. Let me see what I can do.
Have a good time.
Thanks NYPD you are just showing the world how fascist and brutal you are with your own people, that you swore to defend and protect!! actions speak louder than words!! you are just burning yourselves, you are no more that sheep and slaves to those 1% that gives you a miserable salary, compare to what they make. You just go out there hitting and batting people, you are protecting the 1%, not helping your own, you are the 99% as well.....
No, girlfriend. The cops are going out and arresting people who are invading and taking over public spaces and who are infringing on other people's rights. Whomever is telling you that you have a right to take over/invade a road/park/subway/store/bridge/port so that you block other people from passing or using it, you are infringing on other people's rights. Your rights end where other people's rights begin. When you block other people's rights, the police come in and take back their rights for them that you stole. If you resist, you get arrested. And this is what getting arrested looks like. always.
I wish the whole world was watching and a few of us are trying, but check out the BBC homepage. Hardly any coverage of it in the UK. That's why we're coming here. :(
You have to admit, this thing has a character all it's own. you have to respect that. just have to.
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What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously
What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously
Thanks NYPD you are just showing the world how fascist and brutal you are with your own people, that you swore to defend and protect!! actions speak louder than words!! you are just burning yourselves, you are no more that sheep and slaves to those 1% that gives you a miserable salary, compare to what they make. You just go out there hitting and batting people, you are protecting the 1%, not helping your own, you are the 99% as well.....
oh dearie, they are protecting the rights of the real 99%. When you invade a park and take it over so no one else can use it, when you block traffic, you're stealing the rights of the real 99%. So the cops come in, and protect those people whose rights you stole, and take their rights back for them.
FYI MEDIA do not distort: The Democrats support OWS!!! Who do you think is backing the party!! The GOP/tea is doing worst now with blocking what would help the US and all for a vote, greedy, retaining power WHILE WE SUFFER. Which is not an opinion but fact!! Look at the CURRENT CONGRESS!!! PROUD Conservative, no, none, non affiliated with the Republican GOP/tea, ashamed. We recruit societies low percentage who talk about minorities ( Asians, Blacks, Gays, Latinos-Italian, Hispanics, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, Indians), then elect a new congress that block all with no benefit too this great nation and these people blame him? Honestly, blaming the current Chief, really. You people put the current new congress in and what have they done, not one thought on you, when will you learn. The current president has done more in 3 years than the last president has done in 8. First thing when in with new Congress attack Social Security (that was funny) the majority of the tea are Seniors the GOP does not care. Stifling progress with blocking every bill that could benefit the U.S. because it affects the taxing (by a small margin with little affect, to the 1% salaries-what minus a servant!) and most importantly to gain control for a vote! You have got to be uneducated if you stand behind the GOP/tea, indep (limited or no government) no progress but a step back to the United States of America! OWS tactics are good and just. I believe!! OWS Keep up your message, the world hears you.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously this time.
The reason you should protest http://stopthepolicestateinthe.us/finance/
Focus on the horrific monetary policies by the Federal Reserve and the CRONY CAPITALISM NOT ....CAPITALISM. then you are now directed to the white house. you all need to get focused on the one accord to make a change or else most of you will end up hurt or in jail. the police don' t know nor do they care about you . its only when they are directly affected and realize they have been used is when the police will wake up also.
Tomas you are pathetic! Your lies will catch up to you GOP/tea, indep…. but for now continue to be the puppet feeding lies for a vote!! That’s what this party does is lie and mislead for greed, power, self preservation and a vote while the US suffers. Your comments to OWS by GOP/tea-indep., get a job take a bath!! Defecation in the park, noise level really, stated by Mayor of NY, “UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS,” in other words no proof of it!! That’s all you do is lie and mislead! Do you think those kids like to be in the cold, on the ground. They are educated people fighting for a cause but of course you would not know about that.- Your cause is limited government gee I wonder why, correction I already know! Look at the current Congress you put in!! Any one who follows the tea must be uneducated or have an alternative agenda. The thought of you all GOP/tea, indep. running the whole country makes me want to puke…-
the drastic difference between the sensationalized statements on this stream and the words of those individuals interviewed on site is deplorable. 10 word statements about unwarranted violence in the face of first person accounts of an individual kicking barricades and flailing around when trying to resist arrest is ridiculous. for the sake of everything that is at stake, please dont just post the extreme opposite of whatever cnn is reporting and if focusing on police brutality do it from the eyes of a peaceful protester, not someone acting violent and fighting to expand the area a few inches onto the sidewalk.
NYPD: Worst police Depatment in the UNITED STATES-Rape and Cop Brutality, bad job MAYOR. You WILL be JUDGED!!!
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All Cops Are Bastards
And thats the type of comment from someone arrested one too many times for pot.
I'm sure they are budy. You will say that till you get mugged in a back alley or get rapped in your home one day. Then you will go running to the cops like a kid to his mommy
In the kind of society that OWS strives for, no one would have to be mugged in a back alley or raped in your home, for the two causes of crime are poverty or insanity (greed being insanity), and in such a society both poverty and insanity would be properly taken care of.
Why do you think East Germany had virtually no crime? Because poverty was taken care of through a just distribution of resources and insanity through the use of rehabilitation instead of imprisonment and solitary confinement.
Why did East Berlin have no crime? Why the hell did they have to build a wall to keep everyone in their "perfect society"? Why did the join West Germany the second they got the chance in stead of the other way arround?
I will concede on East Germany, then, even though the uprising was brought about as a protest to economic conditions, not social conditions.
But how do you explain the same, to a lesser effect, in the Nordic countries today, for example?
They, for right now, have the right conditions to sustain it. Large working population, high retirement age, strong productivity rating. But, like all developed contries, they are going to, in the next 10 years or so, get hit by the realization that they don't make enough people to sustain a wellfare system that offers such things. Eventually, there will be more people retired than working, government expences will go up and income down and they will suffer the same fate of the Southern European nations. "Distribution of resources and... rehabilitaion instead of imprisonment and solitary" might sound good, but they are systems that cost a hell of a lot more.
It's the bread and cricus concept from Rome. Give the citizens food and game and you will be popular and they content. Here though it's give the people food and meidcine and they will be content and happy with you. Same thing with Rome though, that costs a lot and you need to have some pretty drastic sircumstances to maintain that. Once it stops or slows however, crime in the nordic countries will go up and be on par with everyone else
all of these government bloggers bombarding this site means one thing: we are REALLY getting under their skin and making an impact. we are WINNING!!!
dude. I sat in a park for 5 weeks holding a sign at our local camp. The day Oakland shut the first port down, we shut down our local camp because we vowed early on we would be totally peaceful. OWS keeps getting more and more violent in its words and actions, and in its official postings. So while I started heavy in favor of the original message, it is now so far from its original message that you can't go back to it.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS Rocks!! Good job the fight will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
What are the specific demands that the OWS movement requests? Is there any place I could find an itemized summary of the goals the OWS movement wishes to fulfill by virtue of their activities? I hope the OWS movement is not an expression of anger, but a credible organization with clearly defined demands and goals that, by advocacy in protest thereof, will materialize into solid, moral, and ethical action by our government and key private sector decision makers. Please post a link as to where I can find such information. Thanks!
this is the ultimately depressing fact of OWS. the protests do not have an end-game. everyone with intelligence on both sides will admit that either the system isn't fair, doesn't work, or is broken...but without a suggestion for where do we go from there OWS equates to a coalition of anarchists. people are right, the world is watching...but if theyre just watching the clips from both sides trying to show how awful the other is being there is no message or ideal to get behind and the movement will do nothing but make life more difficult for the 99%. you have supporters, you have money, clearly state your goal and start moving towards it...dont just continue trying to 'delay' the opening bell (which never rang at 9 am anyway) or trying to keep people from being able to get to their jobs via public transportation...its not helping to accomplish anything and making the whole movement look worse than it did before.
I searched. You absolutely cannot find a coherent message, list of demands, clear definition of the problems or suggested solutions. They don't exist. The OWS philosophy is simply one of jealousy and entitlement with no intellectual discourse to be had.
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The whole world IS watching you, and all we're missing is some popcorn and lawn chairs, because you're putting on one HELL of a circus! Encore! Encore! This certainly beats "Friends With Benefits" anyway. LOL.
why does this website report that they delayed the opening of the NYSE at 9:11am? Market doesn't open till 9:30.
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Because they are uninformed morons. They were still celebrating the alleged delay at 10:16am, according to this website. How stupid can you get? Then they blocked the subway, hurting mostly the people they claim to represent. Way to look like a bunch of idiots.
I told you this was going to happen last week so why is anyone surprised?
I love it. Kick the #@#$@s occupiers out! its about time.
Bloomburg's Storm Troopers. Pigs will always be pigs. They have not change any from the 60tys
The tea has got to be the worst party in history! At least OWS is doing it for a true cause! You people actually stood up in council meetings over false accusations on Heath care reform. Death panel, really..make a copy of the actual page, paragraph and article number of the page- notarized! I bet you can’t find it, go ahead and try-do it. You can’t because it’s false!! Your lies will catch up to you GOP/tea, indep…. but for now continue to be the puppet feeding lies for a vote!! That’s what this party does is lie and mislead for greed, power, self preservation and a vote while the US suffers. Your comments to OWS by GOP/tea-indep., get a job take a bath!! Defecation in the park, noise level really, stated by Mayor of NY, “UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS,” in other words no proof of it!! That’s all you do is lie and mislead! Do you think those kids liked to be in the cold, on the ground. They are educated people fighting for a cause but of course you would not know about that.- Your cause is limited government gee I wonder why, correction I already know! Look at the current Congress you put in!! Any one who follows the tea must be uneducated or have an alternative agenda. The thought of you all GOP/tea, indep. running the whole country makes me want to puke…
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If you are committing civil disobedience, even peacefully, the police have the right (and obligation to those of us to follow the law) to arrest you. If you are blocking the streets or bridges, you are committing civil disobedience, be ready to be arrested. Don't cry and say you are being unjustly harassed. If you commit civil disobedience, be ready to be arrested.
Over-emote much? The writing is a little over the top in manipulation.
We should have done this a long time ago. We were too gullible and scared.
Better late than never.
Sorry about the mis-spell-Energized! Good Job! The world believes in you. Your lies will catch up to you GOP/tea, indep…. but for now continue to be the puppet feeding lies for a vote!! That’s what this party does is lie and mislead for greed, power, self preservation and a vote while the US suffers. Your comments to OWS by GOP/tea-indep., get a job take a bath!! Defecation in the park, noise level really, stated by Mayor of NY, “UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS,”: in other words no proof of it!! That’s all you do is lie and mislead! Do you think those kids like to be in the cold, on the ground. They are educated people fighting for a cause but of course you would not know about that.- Your cause is limited government gee I wonder why, correction I already know! Look at the current Congress you put in!! Any one who follows the tea must be uneducated or have an alternative agenda. The thought of you all GOP/tea, indep. running the whole country makes me want to puke…
Rman916 says all this isn't happening. The Occupiers say it is. Who do we believe? No one can verify anything.
One thing is certain: Maybe rman916 needs to stop judging others and calling people names and being an insensitive asshole. Or stop being a detached man of hyperbole himself. He doesn't sound bright enough to know what's going on in his own house, much less the rest of the world.
"Get a job"? "Get a life". Get a fucking soul, creep.
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This site is so full of BS it could fill Yankee stadium! Don't get in my way OWS!!
Yes, and OWS should stop making war on America. Why block ports so workers can't get to work? Why block traffic so that people can't get through? Real people, the 99%, you are infringing on them, ruining their parks, blocking their roadways. You're not protesting the mythical '1%'. You're not anywhere NEAR them. You're not affecting any of them. You're just hurting the little guys.
Who are some of the people who make up the 1%?
Barney Frank and his bunk buddy on the Board of Directors at Fannie Mae
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Oprah Winfrey - Avoiding taxes in California by monitoring her days present to avoid residency requirements.
Harry Reid - Making millions from his ear marks and special deals in the Senate
Michael Moore with his plush multi-million dollar home. He is as much of a money grubber as the next 1% preying upon the 99%. Do you think he would ever let you rest your weary head on his designer sheets?
Beware the rich liberal for he takes campaigns to take money from the rich and give to the poor only he keeps more than he gives. Beware the rich liberal who looks upon you as the useful idiots. Beware for tomorrow they will install themselves as your masters and all dissenters will be whisked away to their Socialist re-education camps. Beware for what you wish, you may just get it ...
George Orwell, socialist. Idiot.
Hypocrisy - Get it? Probably a little too subtle huh?
I guess so. Whose hypocrisy? The hypocrisy of Orwellian usage of Orwell to bash Orwell's ideology ("Socialist re-education camps")?
The tea has got to be the worst party in history! At least OWS is doing it for a true cause! You people actually stood up in council meetings over false accusations on Heath care reform. Death panel, really..make a copy of the actual page, paragraph and article number of the page- notarized! I bet you can’t find it, go ahead and try-do it. You can’t because it’s false!!
I can't help noticing that most of the comments on OWS's very own sites are against this group and it's inarticulate "message" which is basically just based in jealousy and entitlement. Are OWS'ers noticing this too? You do NOT have the support of most people. Polls I've read put it about about 2 to 1 NOT in favor of what you are doing... whatever that is.
Have you noticed how many of those commenters repeat the same talking points, like "don't those silly protesters know that NYSE starts trading at 9:30 ha ha foolish children"?
at least they have points. I have not heard ONE SINGLE coherent demand out of the OWS movement. No solutions to any perceived problems. It's all rhetoric based on entitlement and jealousy.
OWS doesn't have a package of solutions for a messed up situation, true, but that doesn't mean the situation isn't messed up! It's about calling attention to what's broken.
So someone being rich and someone else not is a broken system? If someone is super duper rich beyond my wildest dreams..... I don't care. Not one little bit. It doesn't affect me in ANY way, besides I might work for a company he or she owns. The people that DO affect me are the scumbag entitled class that live off the government or get UNFAIR help paying off mortgages they NEVER could have afforded or whatever, because that is forced on me by taxes. You're angst is misplaced.
Actually, scoff, the "super duper rich" do affect you in many ways. Extreme income disparity means the money you have can purchase less. The super duper rich can spend far more money on political candidates, meaning the people in Washington work for their interests, not yours. There have been many studies that show that the increased wage gap between rich and poor actually makes non-super rich folk less healthy (both physically and mentally). And this is all disregarding the fact that OWS is not fighting against all super-duper rich people but A) the system that allows such income disparity and B) the specific super-duper rich people who used immoral and illegal means to ruin the American economy.
NYers we need to do something about this. This is getting out of hand. Time to start a new group called Occupy Your Ass and shut these idiots down.
They should change their name to Occupy theToilet, or how about Occupy the Insane Asylum since most of them seem to have escaped from one.
DOW and NASDAQ are taking a dive because of the imploding economies in Europe. Sorry, nothing to do with OWS. And your claim at 9:11 that the NYSE bell was delayed? They don't ring it until 9:30. Duh? (and it did ring right on time)
Sure, that's what Marketwatch says. If they gave any credit to Occupy investors would REALLY freak! Your right though. The Eurozone is about to collapse and when it does the S will hit the fan!
Unless you want to try to take credit for Greece, then the markets going down has absolutely nothing to do with this protest. Try again next year
The protest is a very real reminder of the abject failure of our financial system. Wall street is aware of every factor that could affect markets. Of course they can't say Occupy has had an affect on the market. The same way when you watch a Bank of America commercial they don't say "Bank of America, Our shares have gone from 12 dollars to 6 dollars in the last 6 months!"
Italy will likely go into default soon and we may be not too far behind them in line. If or when that happens, you'll see soup kitchen lines on the streets instead of pot heads texting away on their iPhones.
I want to see change as much as any of you. Here are my 2 cents.
Have one clear concise goal that we can all get behind, there are a number of problems in this country but putting all of them into one is confusing and disorganized. Be a real unit and have one goal and once that is accomplished go to the next. My first demand would be to end the Federal Reserve, since that's the root of all this money inequality to begin with, the root of all of our debt.
Let's use Iceland as an example, they hit a recession the same year as us 2008. Since the country refused to bail out their bankers and denied that the debt was valid; their country is making a full recovery now. Yes, Iceland still has a central bank but its owned in a way that doesn't have the same problems we have.
Today's word: Hyperbole.
Bloody hyperboles! I wanted to see Tinanmen Tanks, but all I got were a bunch of kids with camcorders and cellphones.
I'm on my way to occupy Baltimore soon as I roll up this piff....
Where's the swarm and the bloody assault? The video looks pretty calm and peaceful. I didn't see any blood. I want my promised blood! Did the cops bring the Tienanmen tanks yet?
I doubt it. There are plenty of options, and plenty of time. NYC is a big place with lots of spots to Occupy. I'm sure the police will get tired of wasting money and get back to doing their real job.
If he dies will he be a martyr for Karl Marx or Barack Obama?
Barack Obama is busy playing golf.
Of David Graeber and friends.
"The whole workd is watching! I'm Lindsay Lohan! Look at me! Look at me!"
Yup, that sums you all up...
Lol! Propaganda must be subtle or it backfires!
A cop was slashed today. Why isn't that reported here?
f*ck the police
When a protester breaks the code of non-violence he doesn't represent Occupy. He's just one bad apple. When a cop does something stupid like shoot a rubber bullet when he shouldn't all cops are demons. Did the cops bring out the Tinanmen Tanks?
What idiot is writing the propoganda updates? The irony is unbelievable; you are worse than those you rally against. This movement is over - destroyed from within by ignarance and lies.
'ignarance,' you say??!! Say it ain't so!!
Oh no, I made a typo.. Seriously, is that all you can come back with?Pathetic. I bet you're one of the ones celebrating the "delay" of the NYSE bell ringing just after 9an this morning - still unaware that the opening bell is at 9:30am. Idiot.
NO!! TRULY!!
I try not to spread 'propoganda.' It makes for bad karma..
I simply thought that it was cute that one of the misinformed who'd been brought to counter issues they clearly don't comprehend, was so full of himself as to spell 'ignarance' in the way that you did. That's all.
It was reminiscent of that whole 'speck in your neighbor's eye, and the beam in your own,' thing, you know?
But the -real- beauty of your last ass-sertion was that you felt compelled to actually make something up to sling at me, instead of dealing with any aspect of reality. You might want to work on that a bit if you're intent on continuing to publicly challenge persons regarding their beliefs, because 'straw man' arguments and claims make for poor debating strategy, Jimmy. Often resulting in the user of such tactics appearing quite foolish to onlookers or passers-by .
Especially when all your opponent is required to do in responding to such antics is to merely ask simple questions like, "Where did you see me make any such claim as that; that the opening of the NYSE was delayed?"
I mean, really, Jimmy, is that all you can come back with? Delusional allegations pertaining to non-existent quotes that represent your efforts as a feeble attempt to try and implicate another in what you've already demonstrated to be your own actual level of ignorance and illiteracy?
Try harder, lad. Truly..
Your response is so obtuse it doesn't deserve any response other than this: rather than keep quiet and let everyone think you're an asshole, you had to open your mouth and confirm it. Thanks for adding the exclaimation mark to my point, you pompous git..
Unbelievable!! I didn't think anything after this morning could raise my spirits higher, but you've proven that thought wrong, Jimmy!
Not only do you go out of your way to reveal your illiteracy, but then you shamelessly steal quotes as well, failing to remark on the fact that you paraphrased a quote so overly-used that it may be considered cliche'.
I bet the chicks think you're pretty witty, eh, Jimmy?
But OK, so you can feel as though you've inflicted some anguish, here, this is for you, Jimmy.
a'la Mel Brooks, "It's only a flesh wound..."
I hope the cops start shooting and clubbing you idiots until your cowardly asses are covered with blood
I do too, my fingers been itchin all day....
Dear OWS,
Way to sensationalize everything. I work down in NYC and I've been down to the protests and I can say half of what you update in your 'live blog' didn't really happen. Hypocrites much? There was a man who attacked police and in turn go thrown to the ground. His head was bloody and they called for an ambulance. No, they did not BLOCK a medic from getting to him. Stop the asshat talk and tell the truth.
Moving on, don't occupy the subway if you know what is good for you. There are hard working people who just want to get home and will NOT take kindly to your pointless banter about how you're too lazy to attend university and too lazy to get up at 6am and work like the rest of us.
The whole world is watching. Yes they are, and they are laughing at you. You live in AMERICA. Stop being a spoiled brat and get to work. If you're unhappy with the system, try and change it from within. Yeah, I know that might actually take some dedication. I don't call gathering around in a circle in a park and singing songs like it's a party, DEDICATION. That is just plain laziness; not to add you all look like 8 year olds.
Get. A. Life.
News flash: There are plenty of hard-working people who would LOVE to be at these protests but have to stay on the sidelines because of...work! For all of those people who yell "get a job," who else can make it to a protest on a Thursday during business hours but people who DON'T have jobs? People who have been hurt the most by the wealth inequality. People who are doing good work representing ME and many, many, other people just like me who can't be with them in person.
The whole world is watching...and wishing they could say "no" to the wages they would make today to join in. We all have bills to pay. If unemployment keeps rising then you will see many more boots on the ground for this movement!
tl:dr: I have a life, and I fully support this movement.
What more can be said? Those of us with jobs and commitments can't make a Thursday afternoon, but we do what we can;
http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/docs/amendment-28-to-the-constitution-of-the-united-states-of-america#comment-9027
Still need to add the public funding part.
when a system refuses change from within, we have no choice but to change it from the outside. The system isn't real, it's made up. The outside is what's real.
you've lost touch mate. good luck to your grandchildren.
government blogger. like police provocateurs, theyre cockroaches.
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"Liberty Square reopened, occupiers return inside to see blood on the ground." More like wishful hyperbole - they would LOVE to see blood and add to the sensational.
they or you?
No use to me in the guise of propaganda. I'm sitting comfortable here in my office.
Did you see the Tinanmen Tank?
The whole world is watching you make fools of yourselves....The whole world is watching...The whole world is watching!