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Climate Change Is Real

Posted 1 year ago on March 7, 2013, 3:59 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: climatechange

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[-] 6 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Mega drought is real

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/25314-doomsday-trigger-for-megadrought

"Unless we start taking the actions that are needed to curb climate change right now, California and the rest of the American southwest may soon look more like the Sahara than one of the most populous regions in the U.S."

[-] 6 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Should be seeing this on every newscast n America.

Haven't seen it yet. Every news show should saturated with letters to report fairly, irrespective of (fossil fuel) corp influence.

Great info. thx

[-] 2 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

The situation is so dire that on Tuesday, California implemented state-wide emergency water-conservation measures, in an effort preserved what remaining water there is.

( Above from your article )

What do you want to bet that this does not affect the for profit water bottling business?

Just let them keep on going unrestricted - draining away what little water there is for their private use? and to hell with the public. Or could I be wrong and for profit will take a hit also?

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

We are justified in being suspicious of private water interests.

Drought will surely get people involved enough to defeat for profit interests in the end.

I don't prefer it get worse before it gets better, but if it does get worse people will rise up.

[-] 1 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Things are getting seriously nasty when the state turns the water ( a necessity of life ) off. When does the city of Detroit start getting burned down in the riots?

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Not much left to burn, but the battle is raging in any event.

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[-] 1 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

We should be more than a little suspicious of for profit and the state.

Coca-Cola makes feel-good commercial about modern slavery

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Obscene.

[-] 1 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Really - very very very sick and no mention of the deplorable conditions are reaching the public except for on the inter net.

[-] 0 points by questioning (21) 2 months ago

Yes - Obscene!!! and criminal. Aiding and abetting slavery ( for Coke - and slavery for Qatar ).

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[-] 5 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 3 weeks ago

so no government ownership of fossil fuel energy ?

who owns it than ?

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

I suppose shareholders own 'em. This effort is designed to have NYS divest themselves of those shares.

A worthy effort. No?

[-] 6 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 3 weeks ago

if the people buy gas| they will be paying a private company

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

We gotta STOP buyin' gas!!!

Is there a movement for that?

http://autos.aol.com/article/social-media-gas-boycotts/

NOPE!! couldn't find anything but articles about how it won't work.

(Can't touch our cars, huh?)

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 3 weeks ago

no

but that's been the case since the 50s

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

That is the change we must fight for

Boycott & divest!!

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Join the "Peoples Climate March"

http://peoplesclimate.org/march/?r=greenpeace

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Megaflood of wall st next Climate action!

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/time-floodwallstreet

Wear your rain boots

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Todays issue: Climate action. Discuss!

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Kshama Sawan @ Peoples Climate March

http://now-events.net/us/page/3059044

Peace.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Fossil fuel corps control our power (energy) & have hijacked our power (buying our pols/gov)

People power will prove greater than the people in power.

Join the March tomorrow

http://peoplesclimate.org/march/

Be counted, we need you

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Leaked rpt, warns of irreversible damage!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/26/1324820/-Leaked-UN-Report-warns-of-very-high-risk-of-severe-widespread-and-IRREVERSIBLE-impacts-globally?detail=email

Massive action required to change course on energy/pollution damage.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Happening Now!

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 weeks ago

Climate change requires we all get involved.

"Every year, hundreds of thousands of volunteers all around the world remove trash from their local beaches and shorelines for the International Coastal Cleanup."

http://blog.oceanconservancy.org/2014/09/30/international-coastal-cleanup-day-2014/

Hundreds of thousands! And still not enough.

[+] -7 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 week ago

Defeat Climate deniers

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/09/3577919/benishek-is-a-scientist/

“Well, I am a scientist,” Benishek responded. “You know, I believe in peer-reviewed science. But, I don’t see any peer-reviewed science that proves there is man-made catastrophic climate change.”

Should be ashamed of himself

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

HUGE news: After pressure from climate activists, Microsoft dropped out of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

Microsoft is the latest company to cut ties with the controversial group, but despite mounting pressure, Google remains an ALEC member. ALEC's history of blocking renewable energy at the state level flies in the face of Google's "Don't be evil" tagline — the two just don't mix.

Right now, Microsoft is getting praise from the media and climate activists, something Google would like too. If we seize the moment, we can force Google to cut ties and sink ALEC.

Add your name today: Tell Google to take the dump-ALEC challenge!

After you take action, you can share this graphic on Facebook and spread the word:

DontFundEvil

Factually yours,

Sylvie, Ryan, Emily, Brant and the rest of the Forecast the Facts team

MORE INFORMATION

"Microsoft aims to be greener and drops ALEC membership," CNET, August 19, 2014 http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/823?t=4&akid=517.92259.eS30Kg

Forecast the Facts is a grassroots organization that empowers people to fight climate change denial and promote accurate information about the climate crisis. You can follow us on Twitter, and like us on Facebook. Help us end climate denial once and for all by contributing here.

[-] 5 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 month ago

Signed. Yes, Huge.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Gotta get the rest of the public aware and on board as to how toxic ALEC is to the public.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago
[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Retire anti carbon tax pols

Seems like removing the ALEC membership from office would be a good step in that direction.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

No doubt about it.

Their membership list is an instructional tool I would say.

Thx for posting

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Thank you for the comment. Anyone who can not see that the members of ALEC who are in office - ARE a malignant Cancer - well at the very least they do not know what legislation this cancer has pushed into being or what good ( good for the people country environment world ) legislation they have roadblocked ( outright ) or just sabotaged in form and function.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Corp attacks on the 99% through the insidious tool of ALEC must be stopped.

Hitting ALEC is hitting corps, Other corp tools currently in use & in the future must be met with equal force.

We fight All ways, always! (non violently)

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Seems like there is a silent defender of ALEC lurking about - downvoting comments related to removing ALEC members from government.

Too shy to make a comment as to why they are silently supporting ALEC though.

HUH. Go Figure.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Silent ALEC supporter (s) strike again? I can understand and accept if some do not like some of my comments - BUT - down voting comments on ridding ourselves of ALEC membership in office?

REALLY ???

I wonder if you would leave anti ALEC comments alone if someone else were to make em.

Seems to me though that you wouldn't.

Seems to me that you want to keep anti ALEC comments off of the Best Comment Board where they can be easily seen.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Chances the downvotes are more a result of people not liking the messenger, not the issue, which kind of sucks but thats how popularity contests/elections go so whatev.

Similar to how people post a story that is being run on all the major outlets, but the hosting website link is what will get attacked regardless of the story.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

"downvotes, & hosting websites"???

Livestream Climate March

http://www.democracynow.org/live/peoples_climate_march

Substance?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

Thanks for the link http://www.democracynow.org/live/peoples_climate_march - I just opened a tab to check it out - looks to be a magnificently large turn-out.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Historic

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

You have collected a lot of links on this - you should put them all together on one post. This is an awesome public demonstration/out-cry.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

I wish I could do more than I have, but I'm moving around & it is all I have to try keeping the substantive posts up top.

I like using these older well populated threads. There is so much info beyond me links on them, but of course you are free to.

In addition avoiding the distractoid debates w/ trolls on karma points jart & process would be historic, but not essential, Your good effrts go without saying.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 weeks ago

Now chicks are disappearing cause of our burning of fossil fuels.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/26588-empty-nests-of-the-north-massive-chick-deaths-in-seabird-colonies-climate-oceanic-changes-blamed

"There were thousands! You could hear them,” says Olina Jonsdottir, who has lived on this island with her husband, Hafsteinn Gudmundsson, nearly 50 years. She looks out her living room window, past the sheep grazing on knuckles of grass-covered lava, past the black basalt beach, to the few birds drifting over the water beyond. “You can’t do that anymore. Now there are so few.”

Who could argue against the cute little chicks?

[-] -3 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Because nothing reduces global pollution like taxing the people.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Taxing which people? The few the mega profiteers of Fossil Fuel? Because ya see the population need not be made to eat the carbon Tax if it is placed on the mega fossil fuel business - as long as price caps are placed - THEN - only the profits of mega fossil fuel is affected = downward - making it more profitable to switch over operations to clean energy production.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

The problem is that the people that are going to enforce this stuff are in bed with the oil companies. There will be no price caps as that is a ridiculous policy to try to enforce.

Therefore, everyone will feel good about taxing the oil companies a couple cents on each gallon of gas, and the oil companies just push it down onto the retail price.

Politicians look good, people feel good, and yet nothing is done about the actual physical pollution and the only one being punished are the people.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Remove ALEC members from government and I think we will begin to see a change for the better - the people need to be involved and tell government "what is what" - part of that is removing = anti people pro fossil fuel politicians from office.

The people can very much make a difference in how a carbon tax is applied - and the best way would be for the inclusion of price caps - so that the tax is not put onto the end customer = the public.

Removing roadblocks from government - roadblocks to a healthy and prosperous world for all - IS a function of direct democracy - the people getting involved and taking action with-in the system - IS direct democracy. Removing members of ALEC from government would be a very positive use of direct democracy by The People.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

If you want to remove people in bed with the oil companies, you would have to clean house and the not allow any of the choices from primaries to be even humored. Which I support, just dont see it happening at this point. November is going to be another shameful display of voting as usual.

The price cap thing is something, but applying to a globally traded commodity could prove to be disastrous. And again, think of the people that pass it and then regulate it- all in bed with em anyways.

I'm a big believer in alternative energy, for pollution reasons and also for cost reasons. With the amount of stimulus they have spent, we could have put solar on every household in the country and had some left over. Now imagine those households covert to electronic cars. We have just eliminated their electric bill and their gas bill. Talk about stimulus.

With all of that being said, I guess what Im saying is be careful what you ask for. As things stand now, they would be more than happy to appease some people and increase their taxes.

The gov was owned by oil men long before ALEC reared its head.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Are you trying to tell me that ALEC is a meaningless issue? Because it sure sounds like you are.

Are you saying that the people can not make positive change by making use of direct democracy? Because it sure sounds like you are.

On your last sentence "The gov was owned by oil men long before ALEC reared its head." Are you saying that the people can not remove oilmen from government by using direct democracy? Because it sure sounds like you are.

Are you denying that ALEC is a strong force for oilmen? Because it sure sounds like you are.

You say you are for a better world for ALL of the people. But it sure does not sound like you are.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

ALEC is a resource, its just the latest middleman group for the corps and the pols. ALEC is a central platform to use, but say you break up ALEC, its not like the lobbyists can't still pick up the phone and call their favorite politicians, or just send em a check, right?

The people are more than capable of removing the oilmen from the government, if they care to. Its going to be around the usual 90% re-election rate this upcoming election, and that is just with representatives.

We have the potential to do all sorts of things, its just usually not enough of a priority for enough people. If the people that claim to care about the environment more than others, are openly endorsing people to make regulation who are in bed with those same people, then its probably not too practical to expect the rest of the population to rise to an even higher level, right?

I mean, you endorse people who take money from the oil men, and claim to care about global warming. You also endorse people who take money from the very corporations that make up ALEC, and claim to want to end ALEC.

So if someone like you, who studies this stuff much more than the average person, cannot bring themselves to a higher standard, should we expect more from the people who study it less?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

ALEC is NOT just a resource. ALEC has some 619 legislative members in office - that - is a significant number - that are in direct operation of government.

As to the rest of your comment - please sit on the toilet as you spew.

[-] -3 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

It is just a resource, like I said, if you told ALEC it was disbanded, what would happen?

Has the environment that allows it changed? No. Its like thinking that disbanding AIPAC would get rid of that disgusting influence in our government.

The corporations don't need specific club like ALEC in order to write a bill and then bribe a politician to pass it. Its actually pretty brazen when you think about it, to create these outside influence groups in the broad daylight.

But hey, if the people can't connect the dots then why not.

(did I strike a nerve with the end of the previous comment? Its an honest question, should we be expecting more out of the general population when the ones who study this stuff cant even get out of their own way?)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1202) 0 minutes ago

Like I just said, go ahead and vote them out, I don't vote for em.

One goes out, another goes in, and downward we go...

You are taking things as negative instead of a simple reflection we have to do as individuals. The ones that proclaim voting as the solution tend to endorse some of the most horrific actions by their endorsement of the ones voting for such things, taking the money from such things, and openly powwowwing with such things.

Its an acknowledgment of our current reality. If people are too soft to handle it then the chances of them creating change are pretty slim, dontcha think? I mean, jeez, its just something to consider.

If the ring leaders of your saviors are in bed with the oil men, its kind of hard to imagine your saviors ever doing anything against em. Right?

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So your "considered opinion"- would be - to be - apathetic and do nothing.

BTW - removing from office - those who are in bed with the oilmen - would not be waiting for a non-existent savior in office that is in bed with the oilmen to make the necessary changes. That is the point of removing said in bed politicians from office.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

"BTW - removing from office - those who are in bed with the oilmen - would not be waiting for a non-existent savior in office that is in bed with the oilmen to make the necessary changes. That is the point of removing said in bed politicians from office."

Right, you claim that, and then you directly go and vote for people who are in bed with them. So wtf over?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1180) 4 minutes ago

I like good people, but you have to put them into a situation to succeed. Clearly the DNC and RNC are not going to allow certain things, the very things that have to occur to get real, meaningful change. So we can rule that out.

And perhaps we should stop making everyone who has had some issues and troubles look like a crook during campaigns. We have ended up with a bunch of weak, inept and unable to lead losers as a result of it.

I have my one word solution, that I know you absolutely love: Decentralize.

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I have one word to describe your idea of decentralization = IDIOTIC

For one - state government = 50 of em - IS decentralized.

To make them even more so is to invite even more opportunity for misuse/manipulation.

If you can't get on board with the people being able to make positive change on what is a more coherent whole ( more coherent than is your further decentralization ) - I do not see how you see your suggestion as being "more controllable" - and so better for or by the people.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Study up on decentralized movements, sometimes working together, and then apply that logic to how to manage a community.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Right, you claim that, and then you directly go and vote for people who are in bed with them.

Who said that that was what should be done or sorry is being done? YOU The idea has always been to get GOOD people in office - people who follow the directives of THE PEOPLE.

So Far You Have NOT suggested one thing to achieve a healthy government of the people by the people for the people.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

I like good people, but you have to put them into a situation to succeed. Clearly the DNC and RNC are not going to allow certain things, the very things that have to occur to get real, meaningful change. So we can rule that out.

And perhaps we should stop making everyone who has had some issues and troubles look like a crook during campaigns. We have ended up with a bunch of weak, inept and unable to lead losers as a result of it.

I have my one word solution, that I know you absolutely love: Decentralize.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Pull your head out of your ass.

ALEC is NOT just a resource. ALEC has some 619 legislative members in office

And again - I hope you are sitting on your toilet as you spew.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[ edit ] I see that the downvote ( silently ) anti-ALEC comments brigade is back. Were you just waiting for activity to die down on the site before returning to bury anti-ALEC comments?

edit -> That is a lot of downvotes with no comments being made as to state a disagreement.

Could it be the work of a STINKLE TEAM ??? Duhn duhn DUHNNNNNN ( add in dramatic thunderous roll of the kettle drum - OH and some lightning flashes with claps of thunder and a couple of screaming horses )

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

What is the purpose that ALEC serves between corporations and politicians?

Does it provide them a place to meet? Does it provide them with increased fundraising abilities?

Do the people who write the legislation need to belong to a group called ALEC to do so? Or could join the Mickey Mouse club and still be able to physically write bills and then physically or electronically email them?

Hmmm... And it is ironic that as I state our inability to get out of our own way you turn hostile and as usual. Social programming 101.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1180) 12 minutes ago

Thats why the system sucks.

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The system sucks - because it is not static and so is always changing and so the people need to stay active educated and involved?

Is that what you are saying?

Because if it is - well then - you will never find peace with the system - any system. Well maybe you could pray to god for god's return bringing god's kingdom/rule/system with - as that is likely the only system which will not change - as - it will all go god's way as god chooses. So perhaps you want to get down on your knees and start praying - other than that you must accept the fact that change is one thing you can count on and the peoples involvement will always be needed.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Well, ya vote on amendments and then they become law. If there is no power for a politician to change it, you don't have to worry about the babysitting. Static? No, nothing is. Much less of a pain in the ass than this garbage nonsense we have now? Most certainly.

Easy enough solution? Creating things vs monitoring politicians are two totally different types of involvement. One leads to positive, the other is a useless expenditure.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1202) 3 minutes ago

So ALECs - the platform, not the physical politicians and CEOs that make it up- the biggest benefit is to serve as a PAC/SUPERPAC and funnel money?

Thats kind of my point. You remove the platform, and they just go create another PAC.

"ALEC also drafts laws/legislation for it's members to push forward in government."

So who are individuals who are doing the physical writing? Chances are they are the corporate lawyers, right? So if ALEC is ended, do the corporate lawyers now not have the ability to write them? Or could they just simply keep going on business as usual?

Personally I don't like anything that ALEC does, writes, etc. But as the saying goes, dont hate the playa hate the game.... yo. :)

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You desperately determined IDIOT. No things do not stay static - and that is why the people need not only to get involved - BUT - STAY INVOLVED. Of course when one group of government manipulators who are working against the best interests of the people and the planet are removed from office - others that pop up to replace them - MUST be kept out of office and removed from office if they get in.

THIS IS NOT A ONE TIME FIX ISSUE - NEVER WAS - NEVER WILL BE

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Thats why the system sucks.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

So without ALEC, the corporations would have no one to write the legalize for them? Without ALEC, the politicians would just magically shape up and say no to the money?

I didn't say that - that is you inferring ( again ) that people can not make positive change happen.

I'm aware of how corporations write legislation and have politicians pass it for them, bribing them along the way. The difference between me and you is that you blame the little club they created, and Im not too concerned with which little club they are currently using, Im concerned with the physical actions.

So then you should make yourself aware of some of that little (?) clubs actions. Like Stand Your Ground Laws and Tax Breaks For The wealthy and and and and and and and and and and and and and...........

So you think that if ALEC was forced to disband their little club, not sure what its cateorized as a nonprofit or corporations or whatever, that all the people involved would suddenly have no idea what to do?

Disband their club? Really? I want their members removed from office in state and federal government. To hell with the club - though it is a good listing of people to be wary of. Removing their members from office will make it that much harder for them to manipulate government. ( are you really so dense that you do not see this ? )

Come on, like I said before, we can't get out of our own way with or without them. Close the club, knock yourself out. As previously stated, if those who claim to care about the environment are openly endorsing people who trash it, I'm sure they can figure out another way around your detective skills.

And there ya go again - being negative and trying to put positive action down ( again and again and again ) - rather than try to build positive action up and get the public motivated and involved.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Like I just said, go ahead and vote them out, I don't vote for em.

One goes out, another goes in, and downward we go...

You are taking things as negative instead of a simple reflection we have to do as individuals. The ones that proclaim voting as the solution tend to endorse some of the most horrific actions by their endorsement of the ones voting for such things, taking the money from such things, and openly powwowwing with such things.

Its an acknowledgment of our current reality. If people are too soft to handle it then the chances of them creating change are pretty slim, dontcha think? I mean, jeez, its just something to consider.

If the ring leaders of your saviors are in bed with the oil men, its kind of hard to imagine your saviors ever doing anything against em. Right?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Members of ALEC ARE politicians and ALEC serves to funnel money into incumbents campaigns as well as challengers for office

ALEC also drafts laws/legislation for it's members to push forward in government.

Are you a complete idiot? Or are you just playing at it?

"Gonna Stand Your Ground On This ONE ?" ( yeah stand your ground a legislative product produced and forwarded by ALEC and it's members in office )

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

So ALECs - the platform, not the physical politicians and CEOs that make it up- the biggest benefit is to serve as a PAC/SUPERPAC and funnel money?

Thats kind of my point. You remove the platform, and they just go create another PAC.

"ALEC also drafts laws/legislation for it's members to push forward in government."

So who are individuals who are doing the physical writing? Chances are they are the corporate lawyers, right? So if ALEC is ended, do the corporate lawyers now not have the ability to write them? Or could they just simply keep going on business as usual?

Personally I don't like anything that ALEC does, writes, etc. But as the saying goes, dont hate the playa hate the game.... yo. :)

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

So without ALEC, the corporations would have no one to write the legalize for them? Without ALEC, the politicians would just magically shape up and say no to the money?

I'm aware of how corporations write legislation and have politicians pass it for them, bribing them along the way. The difference between me and you is that you blame the little club they created, and Im not too concerned with which little club they are currently using, Im concerned with the physical actions.

So you think that if ALEC was forced to disband their little club, not sure what its cateorized as a nonprofit or corporations or whatever, that all the people involved would suddenly have no idea what to do?

Come on, like I said before, we can't get out of our own way with or without them. Close the club, knock yourself out. As previously stated, if those who claim to care about the environment are openly endorsing people who trash it, I'm sure they can figure out another way around your detective skills.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

We MUST price carbon in a realistic way that reflects the clean up costs, as well as required defense outlays to protect the fossil feul resources.

Sorry, the priceis just not honest now.

In the end the honest high cost WILL drive us towards the necessary cheap clean energy we desperately need.

Taxpayers will SAVE money.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Taxpayers will SAVE money.

Agreed - as long as those who need to receive the carbon tax = the mega profiteers of fossil fuel - can't pass it on to the consumer = price caps.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Of course. Protect the people from fossil fuel price gouging.

A new bit on carbon tax

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/25825-a-carbon-tax-is-absolutely-essential

And while we're at it, Increase standards to protect the people from fossil fuel pollution!!

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25801-general-honore-enviro-groups-call-for-strengthening-epas-proposed-refinery-pollution-standards

There it is. Obvious

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Of course. Protect the people from fossil fuel price gouging.

This of course applies to any industry of origination of product - to end inflation - the ability - to keep cranking up the prices at the beginning of the supply chain must be halted - that way price regulation can be managed down stream from the originating source as well.

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Oooo, very wonky of you.

Systemic change is required.

I'm with you

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Systemic change is required.

Absolutely Required. Or we keep revisiting old issues of disparity time and time and time again.

[-] -3 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 month ago

Competition does wonders for controlling these types of things, just like human behavior.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Competition can be gr8 for improving quality and so for a larger ownership of the market - but once ownership even of a slight majority of the market place - does not halt inflation - inflation continues as the source (s) decide they can afford to bump up prices to boost profits. Price caps can halt inflation for profits - and then it is just a matter of offering the best product as to the market share any business will have.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

[ edit ] F buying all of the coal reserves - "eminent domain confiscate" em and sequester them for forever where they currently reside in the ground. And start by kicking the fossil fuel assholes off of out of national park lands.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

I like that approach better yet.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

Imagine it - Eminent Domain - actually used to good public purpose/benefit. Huh

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

And not for real estate developers.

What novel idea.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

Very Novel when one considers normal use.

For The People - For The Environment - For The World - NOT for business.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

Insane that we turn over huge areas of land & sea, knowing these fossil fuels corps will destroy it.

Then we give them tax subsidies.

Obscene!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

Government that does not represent the people = tyranny - and all things bad proliferate.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

Like Naomi Klein says "This changes everything"

Climate action requires systemic change like gov serving people not profit,

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

Yep = shifting the paradigm.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

{ edit } I saw that segment - it was good to see him also give another mention to shock doctrine as well as introduce her knew book.

edit-> Would have been GR8 if at the end there - if she could have come back and said that it was a hemp paper publication - Hey?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1360) 3 weeks ago

I think the article is suggesting fracking as the alternative, and seems to forget that the US gov that is going to buy it all up is the same one that gives oil companies 80 billion a year in our money, our hard earned money, for free.

Other than that, its wonderful when in a vacuum.

Here's my plan: Stop supporting Democrats and Republicans, and stop buying so much useless shit.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

Or, end all fossil fuel subsidies you refer to, expand the proposal to include oil, & nat gas (no fracking!), & invoice the fossil fuel corps with the environmental damage/cleanup costs, & military protection service fees.

That will cover the cost of buying the resources.

Finally, certainly avoiding the partisan distractions is a requirement to move forward.

The articles proposal is a conversation starter, and in my opinion a starting point, that is unlikely to succeed without more people joining us.

Please join us!.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

One would hope it would be as popular or more popular than the movement to flush Rush.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Yes but the flushrush campaign has been rewarding and worthwhile of course,

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

He keeps getting booted from one place and another - it - is - FUN. Now flushing ALEC and all of it's membership would be even GR8er FUN and very beneficial to society.

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Agreed. Best Green site:

http://grist.org/

Nothin wrong with a little humor.

[-] 5 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

And yet Ralph Nader could find NO DIFFERENCE between Al Gore and W Bush when asked during the summer of 2000, how different the world might be if Nader had only been able to find that difference.

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Robin Hood Tax@ Climate March

http://nurses.3cdn.net/41527da3bc02ca6887_xxm6bn31d.pdf

Why we fight!!!

Be counted on Sun

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 4 weeks ago

58th and Broadway? is there one in Phoenix?

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Phoenix will be counted!

http://www.sierraclub.org/coal/activities/2014/09/peoples-climate-march-phoenix-66104

Sierra club joins the People to March for Climate Change.

[-] 6 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 4 weeks ago

well I've got to go violate some federal laws for a few hours (best not to discuss that too much) but after that I may stop by I'll be in the area, thanks for the link

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

no doubt of your good efforts. I'll be leavin in a minute myself

"We can't change everything without everyone."

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago
[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

messy but still the best there is :)

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

True 'dat. We will make it better by forcing the government to serve the people, & not corporations (like fossil fuel corp criminals)

100 arrests, pepper spray, etc...

Solidarity with our front line soldiers,

The battle continues today, We will attempt to go to the UN!!!

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

"The walruses are telling us what the polar bears have told us and what many indigenous people have told us in the high Arctic, and that is that the Arctic environment is changing extremely rapidly and it is time for the rest of the world to take notice and also to take action to address the root causes of climate change."

from:

http://news.sky.com/story/1346008/melting-ice-leaves-35000-walrus-stranded

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 3 weeks ago

global warming started in the 1850 with industrialization

climate change is not new

there are camera's in the 7/11

has anyone told congress ?

[-] 4 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago

Great work. Lets hope this message goes viral. viral. viral.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What a PIECE OF SHIT F'n sellout. Couldn't believe that there were people in the audience defending the POS.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Guess we gotta allow the tiny percent of deniers to speak, but we can't continue allowing the media to present both sides as equal.

We call that a false equivalency (as I know YOU know).

Peace

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Such crap to spew at places of higher (?) learning - and then to have the idiot applauded. Un-FUCKING BELIEVABLE.

Was the audience for real? This asshole should have been roundly/soundly challenged by the audience.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Yep - I posted it a couple of times yesterday - but it is good to repeat the announcement of the upcoming action - Hey?

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Yes, Indeed. Haven't been around so I missed it. But not bad to have this topic towards the top. Lord knows there is a lot of distracting nonsense otherwise at the top.

Peace

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

I posted one that was from Avaaz = https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1044041

There are a lot of groups putting out the message. So good to see.

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

I wonder which group empowered/encouraged so many groups to get involved?

Hmmmmm. Very satisfying.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

I hope that all groups are networking to support good/necessary actions. Synergy.

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

We are witnessing the end of the beginning of just that multi group synergy.

Just gotta keep our eyes on the prize, continue coalescing, & ratchet up the pressure.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

BTW - don't know if you saw this - but here is a handy dandy 50 state applicable listing of individuals who need to be kept away from government as well as business's to protest and boycott. It really is a gr8 tool to be shared out and around.

https://occupywallst.org/forum/rolling-integrity-an-answer-to-an-occupy-3rd-polit/#comment-1044537

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Eyes on the road and hands at two and ten on the wheel. This is no time to get distracted.

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

No texting, or putting makeup on.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

This one surprised me -

Break out the tin foil hats, folks.

House Speaker John Boehner and the chairman of the House Science Committee are both unsure whether the science behind climate change -- the stuff that shows pretty clearly that carbon pollution produced by humans is damaging our environment -- is real.

Instead, they're on the record saying things like this:

"The idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you've got more carbon dioxide." - John Boehner, April 2009

As long as our members of Congress continue to develop their own theories behind climate change, we will fall further and further behind in our ability to make actual progress on this issue.

Make them do better. Add your name to join OFA's team that will hold climate deniers in Congress accountable:

http://my.barackobama.com/Hold-Climate-Deniers-Accountable

We owe it to our environment and our economy to start having real talk on climate change.

Join us -- and we'll be in touch with next steps soon.

Thanks,

Messina

Jim Messina Chair Organizing for Action


And yet he is opening more land for fracking - when the USA does not need it - when it is to feed the global warming industries export business.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

This climate scientist will make a difference & deserves our support.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/16875/jess_spear_socialist_of_the_sawant_persuasion

FYI

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

King of fracking. Our efforts must include agitating for an endto fracking as well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely.

GREED THE #1 CAUSE OF DISEASE/DEATH/DESTRUCTION IN THE WORLD.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Absolutely. Greedy, indulgent, selfish, oligarchs, hoarding the wealth we created overseas in tax evading shelters.

We want our money back.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

For the shills/trolls/quislings/sellouts who are looking in :

Definition of existential (adj) Bing Dictionary

ex·is·ten·tial [ ègzi sténshəl ]

relating to human existence: concerned with or relating to existence, especially human existence

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Ha. Just in case there is a denier (not) lookin in.

But it's a big word,so good to give official def. Could be an english denier out there after all

We don't know!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

We don't know!

Yep - until of course - they can't resist the urge anylonger and finally sound-off.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

I don't get that much anymore. (I like to think it's cause they are afraid to engage me, but it's likely they don't want these posts to stay up high)

'sok. I prefer it.

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I agree. I think most were with us.

[-] 4 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 1 year ago

Noam Chomsky - Peak Oil and a Changing Climate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQCTTKvNkic

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Koch's

What more needs to be said?

http://www.politicususa.com/koch-brothers-war-renewable-energy-killing-jobs-destroying-air.html

Actually, a lot, but notoriety should count too.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Too funny - where was that idiot . . . sorry . . . that obvious Scholar edge-ummmm-ahhhh-kat-eddd?

Hee duh smert 1 n dur phambly wee sow pridee ( sirrey . . . souree?. . soaryyee ) prowd - gust tink marrz uf ( ov? ) al playzeezs - Rnnulld Shooaretzunegger maid uh moovee dare - tootall recoil - memburr?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

A real, non-partisan, bridge to the Worldwide ground issue.

Where's all those guys?

Our friends Down Under are feeling the heat as well.

http://phys.org/news/2013-03-australian-climate-steroids-hottest-summer.html

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Cap n trade gives banksters too much opportunity to manipulate yet another "commodity".

It'll have to be a carbon tax.

So says former Nasa scientist Dr James E Hansen:

http://www.nationofchange.org/housing-health-care-7-co-ops-are-changing-our-economy-1366901440

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Here is one. John Robinson from the Island Bay World Service. A career multidisciplinary scientist who has studied the problem since the 1970s and written many books. He is in New Zealand next to Australia. There seems to be a more independent thinking in that area. Well worth reading through. It is a free ebook that can be downloaded in many formats. Full of authoritative information and sound conclusions. http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/290485

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Attend "Clean energy summit"

http://www.cleanenergysummit.org/

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I take it he's in full agreement with China's one child policy?

As the Chinese reach "middle class" parity, it's becoming harder to enforce.

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

I am not sure of that but evidently China's policy has possibly trimmed births aggregated to approximately a few hundred million and up to a similar number as the present US population. Something has to give and the present path has been well plotted some time ago. Various scientific institutes have reviewed the data and predictions published in 1972, which still appear to be right on track , but ignored and denigrated by the business leaders and of course the financial sector who just make hay wherever possible regardless the consequences. A sample of what it is about. Nothing new but much ignored.

http://elmhcx9.elmhurst.edu/~chm/onlcourse/chm110/labs/limits.html

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Then the real question becomes: Will our tech allow us to live off planet before the shit hits the fans.

The coming onslaught of global warming is going to make it close.

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

There is not a seriously feasible path suggested to living on other planets as far as I can see.

The biological adaption needed is far beyond anything seriously suggested as possible following known effects found with short term space travel to date and living in even a reduced gravitational field for example.

Long distance travel over thousands of years would either mean reproducing during space flight which would require food, exercise, a new culture and host of completely unexplored human adaptions which would not resemble anything known to date. Probably far beyond man's capability mentally, physiologically and socially. Suspending life with freezing has been looked at but once again the idea is but another dream.

Similarly servicing a space colony would require such an overhead as to be in the realms of fantasy. Even if we found candidate planets similar to Earth at a similar stage in their existence, would most likely take many thousands of years with travel to and from being impractical on a human scale.

It just doesn't stack up.

As much as we hear the suggestion of finding another planet to live on [ and perhaps destroy also unless we change our ways?] the amount of energy and resources needed to attempt colonizing an alien planet puts it beyond any sensible prediction. We have problems organising sustainable transport on Earth. High energy dependence is but one barrier of thousands that we would have to face.

A much more feasible future would be to control the human habitation of Earth so a sustainable future is possible, which would mean cutting human population and the destruction we do.
The drivers to preventing intelligent planning seem to be in the hands of the super rich psychopaths, the 0.1%.

Whenever an "economist" or politician talks of growth you know they have it wrong and are a part of the problem.

The growth mindset is the problem preventing intelligent planning for man's limited future. The more resources we use then the smaller the surviving human population can be.

The boom illusion and the following bust will be of a scale unprecedented.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Think progress, Retire Deniers

http://thinkprogress.org/person/tpwarroom/

EPA Hearings Show Just How Much Polluting Energy Companies Are Desperate And In Denial

In early June, the Environmental Protection Agency issued the latest piece in the Obama Administration’s Climate Action Plan: a proposed rule to dramatically cut carbon pollution from America’s coal-fired power plants in the coming decades. The rule is an essential step for public health and for slowing the effects of climate change.

Today marks the next formal phase in the rule-making process: public hearings on the rule are taking place today and tomorrow in four cities around the country, with up to 1,600 people slated to offer their comments. These individuals include some of the foremost proponents and opponents of the rule — and the activity surrounding these hearings encapsulates just how desperate and out of touch polluters and their allies who oppose the rule are.

Take Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA). In remarks at an event at the Heritage Foundation, Kelly likened the new EPA rule to terrorism. “You talk about terrorism — you can do it in a lot of different ways,” he said. “But you terrorize the people who supply everything this country needs to be great — and you keep them on the sidelines — my goodness, what have we become?”

This isn’t the first time climate deniers and opponents of renewable energy solutions have made this outrageous comparison. In fact, Rep. Kelly is really just drawing from the talking points of polluters. The polluter-front group Environmental Policy Alliance ran a print ad in Washington, D.C. media last month making similar comparisons, and the Koch-backed Heartland Institute lost funding after running billboards that equated people who believe in global warming to the Unibomber in 2012.

Here’s another: At the public hearing on the EPA rule in Washington, D.C., the Vice President of coal mining giant Peabody Energy referred to the climate science of which 97 percent of scientists agree as “climate theory.”

On the other side, Center for American Progress Vice President of Energy Policy Greg Dotson also testified at the hearing, urging the EPA to stay committed to reducing emissions: “protecting our children from carbon pollution is your legal duty. And it’s everyone’s moral obligation.”

In addition, the White House released new evidence to coincide with the hearings that warns of the cost of climate inaction. The report estimates that delaying climate action to the point at which emissions rise to 3 degress Celsius above pre-industrial levels, rather than 2 degrees, would cost the U.S. economy $150 billion a year.

Here are just a few other facts on why the new EPA rule, and the projected 30 percent reduction in carbon emissions because of it, is so vital:

•6,600: The possible premature deaths avoided annually when a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions is achieved.

•150,000: The possible number of asthma attacks per year avoided when a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions is achieved.

•490,000: The possible number of missed school or work days avoided when a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions is achieved.

•$93 billion: The possible economic value of the public health benefit when a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions is achieved.

•$7: The amount in health benefits that Americans will see for every dollar invested as a result of this plan.

BOTTOM LINE: The new EPA rule is a huge step for public health and for our children’s futures. The companies that oppose this rule are desperate, dirty, and in denial. For other health threats like arsenic, mercury, and lead, we set limits on contaminants to keep people safe. But we let dirty power plants release as much carbon pollution into the air as they want. That needs to change.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Enuf for deniers to vote against their fossil fuel overlords?

http://planetsave.com/2014/07/26/republican-scientists-tell-republican-global-warming-deniers-global-warming-caused-humans-video/

Every bit of pressure helps.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago
[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago
[-] 1 points by JohnWa (513) 3 months ago

Solar is well advanced in many countries but here it has been blocked by big money manipulating politicians and the market.

Solar and wind both need natural mineral resources to implement so relying on them expecting and expanding energy usage won't work long term. We need to reduce our energy usage and plan for a low energy existence.

From 1900 to 1950 we used a tiny fraction of the available global mineral resources.

1950 to 2000 we used a quarter of the total available .

2000 to 2014 we have used about another quarter and are chewing through what's available at an increasing rate.

So to date we have used two thirds of what is available. We have one third left to last from here on, and that third is the hardest to get.

Mineral resource use increases as our energy use increases. The two are locked together with pollution being the third running partner.

If there were more mineral resources then we would go on to make much more pollution, doubling the resource trebles the pollution we make.

The big picture is not simple, make more of anything without consequences to our future ids not what can happen.

Smaller population will happen either by overshoot we are in now creating a catastrophic crash or we limit it purposefully.

Solar while we can - Yes = a must.

But it is no guarantee that we will survive. It has been left too late.

The bold warning issued over 40 years ago has been ignored, lied about and rubbished ; but it holds true.

Some are waking up but most still slumber.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Direct Climate Action: how to

http://www.care2.com/causes/an-earth-day-appeal-from-the-real-lorax.html

Fight like your life depends on it.

It does.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by satohirona (-20) 1 year ago

I wrote a comment below about 10 hours before you came here. Global Warming is real, every scientist agrees, and it's a shame that US is moving so slow on the matter as they play a big role in the problem. What in the world are you guys doing? Where is Obama, your savior? You guys should be leading the show for the whole world.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

With a huge hedge at the end of the statement.

Logical fallacy, is all this post is.

In particular the statement about savior.

Yep, you're doing nothing more than playing a game.

Everywhere you post so far.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Obama, your savior? You are such a pathetic little bitch.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago
[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GR8 post = TWEETED

Climate Change Is Real | http://OccupyWallSt.org : http://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#.UTk8ILnyg1k.twitter … Food4Thought - you need to consider. Please SHARE/CIRCULATE.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21297) 1 year ago

Bravo to whoever did that graphic. Well done.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Climate March ACTION is real

http://gofossilfree.org/

Then we can argue about karma points

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[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

"Lines of code" to divest fr fossil fuel

http://gofossilfree.org/

More Substantive than code to change forum.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Livestream Peoples Climate March

http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/19/livestream-peoples-climate-march/

Today we fight here:

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

The energy in our weather is getting something really fierce.

Has anyone else experienced - Bomb Lightning?

I can't ever remember Lightning that was like a bomb going off. Let me clarify that statement - yes I have heard some mighty lightning "strikes" where it hits a nearby tree or telephone/electrical utility pole. But not lighting that just seems to explode in midair - localized/limited to just that one point in midair - with no path linking it to the ground or through the clouds.

Plenty of thunder storms with cloud to cloud and cloud to ground etc type of lighting with plenty of rumbling thunder.

But - NO - not Bomb Lightning.

Bomb Lightning - where there is no path that the lightning takes - it just kind of explodes in midair in one location = BAHHH-BOOOOOM - with a blinding flash of light and a huge EMP ( electromagnetic pulse ) that takes down the power in the neighborhood - weird in that it doesn't strike or blow a transformer on a pole or something - it just seems to pop breakers that get auto reset sometime shortly after the BLAST. Took a good ten minutes for the internet to reset after the power came back on.

And I say blast - because that is exactly what it sounds like and feels like. A huge pressure wave ( shock wave ) that shakes the ground - your house and You.

It can feel like you got part of that EMP jolt as well - I wonder what it is like for someone with a pacemaker.

Anyway - This is the 1st spring/summer/fall - where I have experienced this type of Bomb Lightning. You?


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[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 month ago

Fascinating. Have never seen lightening like this. Have you done an internet search?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

No I haven't started looking into the phenomena yet to see if it has been officially noted in any way yet or even reported unofficially. I just noted it myself today as it happened just after I got on-line to check mail and stuff. My heart was pounding with adrenalin for a couple of hours afterwards.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

And yes - this is - very much a world wide protest =

Scientists are screaming from the rooftops that climate change isn't just a bit of warming and some more storms. No exaggeration, our actual survival is at risk -- this is a fight to save the world.

Our biosphere is in a fragile balance. Warm it a bit, and feedback loops start to kick in. Warming melts the arctic ice that reflects sunlight, which means more sunlight absorbed, which means more warming, which melts more ice etc. etc. These feedback loops have begun, and they're approaching 'tipping points' where they spin out of our control, threatening everything we love.

The UN understands this, and they've called an emergency summit of world leaders in New York to discuss action, even inviting our movement into the meeting! The problem is, our heads of state are politicians, not scientists, and they respond to public pressure. They see the polls, but they ask, "where are the protests?" Sept. 21st is our answer.

With thousands of organisations from unions to faith groups, and hundreds of thousands of people already signed up, we're about to launch the biggest climate change mobilisation in history, with marches from New York to Paris to Rio. On September 21st, we need to shake the world. To get there, we need to mobilise thousands of organisers, saturate subways and airwaves with ads, and mount an effective media operation.

If 50,000 of us contribute just a small amount in the next 5 days, we can make it happen. It's time to save the world, let's launch the movement that can do it.

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MORE INFORMATION:

Climate change is upon us and we must act (The Guardian) http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/18/climate-change-global-warning-calamity-floods-observer-editorial

Climate Summit 2014: Catalyzing Action (United Nations) http://www.un.org/climatechange/summit/

World must end 'dirty' fuel use - UN (BBC) http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27008352

Exclusive: Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science (The Independent) http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionaires-secretly-fund-attacks-on-climate-science-8466312.html

Climate change is here, action needed now, says new White House report (CNN) http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/politics/white-house-climate-energy/

Avaaz.org is a 38-million-person global campaign network that works to ensure that the views and values of the world's people shape global decision-making. ("Avaaz" means "voice" or "song" in many languages.) Avaaz members live in every nation of the world; our team is spread across 18 countries on 6 continents and operates in 17 languages. Learn about some of Avaaz's biggest campaigns here, or follow us on Facebook or Twitter.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 2 months ago

the economy won't work unless the people are motivated

use fear

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

"Republican leaders and numerous conservative news sites deny the existence of man-made climate change and promulgate the fiction that there is little agreement among scientists on the matter. The reason: To admit that climate change is at least partially caused by human behavior would require action to curtail greenhouse gases. And only government can enforce such action. But that approach flies in the face of an anti-government ideology that has permeated much of the Republican Party."

http://www.imediaethics.org/News/4683/Is_climate_change_real_opinion_depends_on_which_political_party_you_belong_.php

And there you go.

Just the facts. You decide

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 1 month ago

it is easy to contradict

I'm not impressed

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Please provide contradiction. (easy nor not)

http://theweek.com/article/index/266627/the-lost-bipartisan-consensus-on-climate-change

Perhaps you think this effort is misguided?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/environmental-defense-action-fund-gop-110021.html

Retire climate denier pols! (whatever party)

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 1 month ago

yep don't need to hear the climate deniers or talk about them

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

I support identifying,& retiring climate deniers. Gonna have to talk about them to reach that goal,but certainly you don't have to talk about 'em.

Can you read about 'em?

http://denierlist.wordpress.com/

This one is great:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate-denier-caucus/

Don't tell anyone!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

the economy won't work unless the people are motivated

use fear

It's been done before - I prefer truth - but then again - truth "is" pretty scary - SO - what-cha gonna do?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 2 months ago

drive me mate to work just like any other morning

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Ahhhh yessss saftey in the daily grind. Got-cha. Many live there exclusively - down in the rut of the same old same old different day. No chance of getting disturbed - just - day - after day - after - day of the same old drudge - and then ya die. No muss - no - fuss.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 1 month ago

global warming was considered in the 1981

http://www.eveningstarbooks.net/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=2353

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

I know - in 1st grade ( 1964 ) we were learning about and discussing pollution - carbon pollution - they even had us read a short story about a school room where there was a civil alert siren - and - the teacher told every one to remember their drills and to take a deep breath and hold it until the all clear was sounded - and one child took up the naration as he/she (?) held their breath and watched as one by one the other kids couldn't any longer and one by one those other class mates died - as - today was NOT a drill.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Be sure to watch the video at the bottom of the article.

Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:10 PM PDT Global Warming is increasing moisture in Earth's atmosphere driving Mother of all Feedback Loops

by Lefty CoasterFollow

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

The last ice age happened in 6 months. 6 months for the planet to unleash an army of apartment-building-size ice blocks across Europe and the United States. It was a climate tipping point where the balance is knocked completely out of control and threatens the survival of everything -- and three more tipping points exactly like it are on the verge of happening.

It's our "holy shit" climate moment according to a leading NASA scientist, and only a holy shit massive coordinated day of action response, right now, can change the future we're facing.

One agreement with common sense steps to end dirty energy can save us. That's why the UN has called an urgent climate meeting in just over 100 days with all major world leaders — if we greet them on September 21st with the largest ever global climate mobilisation in history we can break through the walls of mega coal, oil, and business that prevent even the best politicians from doing what is right.

There's no way to get around how big a task this is. But together, each small action will add up into a millions-strong movement that literally drowns out the opposition and gives our leaders the best reason to break free and build a hopeful, clean and green future. Click below to join in:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/join_to_change_everything_rb/?bGfGZcb&v=41497

"Tipping points" are feedback loops, where climate change feeds back on itself and causes rapidly accelerating, catastrophic consequences. Right now, methane gas that is 25 times worse for global warming than CO2 is frozen in our ice. But as the ice melts, the gas leaks, causing more melting and each melt loses us another layer of reflective ice shield that we rely on to keep the planet cool, more methane and less ice means more warming still, and everything starts to spin out of control. And that's just one example… it's why scientists are yelling from the rooftops that we have to act now.

We actually have the tools and the plan we need to make sure we don't cross into a world where tipping points destroy us. And while it will take global cooperation on a bigger scale than ever before, our 36 million-strong movement already has the people power necessary to move leaders from every country to take the first steps. Just days ago, the United States and China announced serious new plans to curb their pollution — momentum is building ahead of next year's critical Paris climate summit where a deal could be inked, and in just over 100 days we can take it up a notch further.

Taking to the streets in a record setting show of power and coordination is one of the most effective ways to create change -- from the anti-Apartheid movement in South Africa to civil rights in the US, it's sometimes been the only way. This is our chance to bring that power to the most important issue of our time: survival and a thriving future for our families, and their families and the generations of people to come. Click below to be a part of it all:

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We know we can do this… and do it big. When our community was just 3 million people we held 3,000 actions on the same day to protect our planet. We're now 36 million strong, ten times the size! Imagine what we can achieve together now...

With so much hope for our future,

Emma, Iain, Lisa, Ricken, Alice, Emily, Sayeeda, Uilleam and the rest of the Avaaz team

MORE INFORMATION

Global warming: it's a point of no return in West Antarctica. What happens next? (The Guardian) http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/17/climate-change-antarctica-glaciers-melting-global-warming-nasa

A Call to Arms: An Invitation to Demand Action on Climate Change (Rolling Stone) http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/a-call-to-arms-an-invitation-to-demand-action-on-climate-change-20140521

Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months (New Scientist) http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427344.800-mini-ice-age-took-hold-of-europe-in-months.html

Report: Prepare for climate tipping points (Politico) http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/national-research-council-report-climate-change-could-hit-tipping-points-environment-100615.html

Avaaz.org is a 36-million-person global campaign network that works to ensure that the views and values of the world's people shape global decision-making. ("Avaaz" means "voice" or "song" in many languages.) Avaaz members live in every nation of the world; our team is spread across 18 countries on 6 continents and operates in 17 languages. Learn about some of Avaaz's biggest campaigns here, or follow us on Facebook or Twitter.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

tweet-n-tweet

DKAtoday @DKAtoday · 6s

"holy shit" climate moment according to a leading NASA scientist https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1036343 … Can we stop using fossil fuel yet?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In compliment : (in my neighborhood )

Incredible news -- even with an April snowstorm on the way, hundreds of Minnesotans from across the state made it to the State Capitol on Earth Day to support clean energy and jobs!1

Thanks to thousands of messages from Sierra Club supporters and hundreds joining the Clean Energy & Jobs Day of Action at the Capitol, our state legislators are hearing that Minnesotans care about clean energy. But our work is not done -- this legislation still faces critical votes as soon as next week!

We still haven't heard from you. Send a message to your legislators today asking them to support clean energy & jobs!

We have an opportunity to strengthen the state's renewable energy standard to 40 percent by 2030; make Minnesota a leader in solar energy by enacting a solar energy standard; and save consumers money by improving energy efficiency and making it easier to generate local power.

These policies will take Minnesota further down the road to a clean energy future that provides good jobs and protects the environment for generations to come. But we need your help.

Let your legislators know that you want to see a clean energy future for Minnesota.

At Monday's rally, Governor Dayton told the crowd, "We owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our children, and we owe it to our grandchildren to look for ecologically sustainable, environmentally renewable sources of energy, and if we put our ingenuity together we'll find it."

The time for action is now -- tell your legislators to support solar, wind, and energy efficiency.

Thanks for all you do to protect the environment,

Jessica Tritsch Minnesota Beyond Coal Campaign Sierra Club

P.S. After you take action, be sure to forward this alert to your friends and colleagues!

Sources: 1. Earth Day brings renewable energy push at State Capitol, KARE 11, April 22, 2013.


Is The Sierra Club active in your state ? _______ BTW - what I added to the letter:

We need to implement clean green power generation - ASAP - for our health - individual health - environmental health - economic health.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

On a positive note, climate activist Tim DeChristopher is being released from prison this Sunday, in time to celebrate Earth Day. Watch for an exciting announcement that day by Dr. Jill Stein.

http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/activist-tim-dechristopher-be-freed-after-21-months-custody

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

From The Sierra Club :

I'm stunned. Yesterday we made history! Los Angeles, the nation's second largest city, is going coal-free.1

LA known for its dirty air, is slashing climate-disrupting pollution more than any other city in the nation -- proving we can win the fight against climate change.

RSVP now to watch the livestream of the announcement about LA ending its reliance on coal on March 22, and witness history in the making!

Here are the details:

WHO: You, your friends, Sierra Club activists and Angelenos and supporters across the country!

WHAT: Livestream of a major announcement by Mayor Villaraigosa, Al Gore, and our Executive Director Michael Brune to end LA's reliance on dirty coal.

WHEN: Friday, March 22 at 11:00 a.m. PT

WHERE: Watch from the comfort of your desk or couch via your internet-enabled computer. If you are in LA, join us and watch the announcement in person at the LADWP Headquaters located at 111 N Hope St, Los Angeles, CA 90012 [Map].

RSVP: http://action.sierraclub.org/lacoalannouncement

NOTE: Friday morning, just go to the LA Beyond Coal website at http://content.sierraclub.org/coal/los-angeles to watch the big announcement. We will send you a reminder email just in case.

Questions: Contact Jasmin Vargas at jasmin.vargas@sierraclub.org.

Los Angeles gets forty percent of its energy from out-of-state dirty coal. Moving beyond coal will make LA the clear leader in fighting climate change. LA's utility is on its way to cutting emissions sixty percent below 1990 levels -- roughly 8.5 times the Kyoto Protocol standard! Bascially it's like taking all 2 milllion registered vehicles in LA off the road. This is amazing!

Without visionary leadership from Mayor Villaraigosa and the hard work of thousands this would never have happened.

LA's victory over coal may mark the turning point for California and the entire country in the transition from the dirty fuels of the past to the clean energy of today and sets a new bar for what is possible in the transition from coal to clean energy!

RSVP now for the livestream of the announcement about the future of coal in LA on March 22 and watch history in the making!

Thanks for all you do to protect the environment,

Jasmin Vargas Beyond Coal Campaign Sierra Club

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

But it IS a 'war on coal'. Isn't it? War on burning it & all fossil fuels at least.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jun/18/foxification-global-warming-war-on-coal

Perhaps we should look at it as a war to PROTECT coal (from being burned).

(That's just silly. I apologize in advance)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Hmmmm get it listed as endangered? Put it on a protected resource list? Heeeheeeeheheheeeeee no mining until the resource has a chance to recover ummmmm how many millions of years? HAAAAHAhahahaha

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Don't know why epa won't say it but ok.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/mcconnell-misquotes-epa-administrator/

As long as we conduct (un)said war on coal.

a little bit on their strategy: (I'm sure you know)

http://www.globalwarming.org/2014/06/09/epas-carbon-pollution-rules-war-on-coal-by-the-numbers/

Not quite enough for my tastes but something to build on certainly.

& a little street monitoring/activism info as well: (keepin us honest)

http://www.tricities.com/news/article_1072368e-f8f3-11e3-829c-0017a43b2370.html

Peace

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Damn if only there was/were alternatives that could be demonstrated/shown to the public - something to show how unnecessary fossil fuels really are - hmmmmmm ( Hydrogen; Nature's Fuel - YouTube ) hmmmmmm - and the endangered fossil fuel billionaires? ummm why is it that "THEY" have not transitioned yet? I mean aren't "they" in the best strategic position monetarily to do so?

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

They've had lotsa time to prepare. (still have time).

I'm sure as the end of fossil fuel era occurs the pollution oligarchs will save themselves somehow.

In fact those corps have been rackin in profits/tax subsidies for so long they do not deserve sympathy.

Their money should somehow go to those unemployed from fossil fuel industry.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Their money should somehow go to those unemployed from fossil fuel industry.

[ EDIT ] Retraining/education into like say clean energy processes technology employment? Ready them to take advantage of the growing necessity to create and use clean energy in industry and throughout all of society?

EDIT -> Because surely fossil fuel workers can be retrained - can't they? - I mean is anyone? a one and done use/prospect? I say not - NO - humanity is very adaptable - endlessly? - well it "can" be hard to tell sometimes like when society seemingly gets stuck on stupid ( suicidal ) = fossil fuel use when there are clean alternatives.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

OH I have no doubt that they already are strategically prepared that they even have some small (?) thing going in a shell company sort of way - ready to massively expand overnight on their command. But in the meantime - they are gonna rape the world for as much money as they can - prior to the world really waking up and finally forcing them to stop out of necessity.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Corporatists have rigged the system to allow thorough resource exploitation. Only for profit.

Penny wise and dollar foolish.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/24/us-climatechange-economy-idUSKBN0EZ0AA20140624

Peace

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

if only we had options -> tweet

Fossil Fuels TOXIC if only there were alternatives https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1036311 If only we could do other things.....

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Every week there is more overwhelming evidence.

The deniers have to be beat aboutthe head and neck with every new bit of proof.

It's the only way they will learn.

Tough love

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[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Ok. Just tough.

One beatin as ordered.

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[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

That would be fun. And they'd be convinced too.

Maybe it should be thematic environmental beatings.

We can hit 'em with rocks (earth)

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[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I like the taped box, truck exhaust idea I saw you describe earlier for the 'air' theme.

I suppose water will have to be 'water boarding'.

I've gone too far.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It harms the creatures of the planet too.

http://phys.org/news/2013-03-lizards-mass-extinction.html

Who will sell me car insurance when the lizards are gone?

[-] 2 points by Justoneof99 (80) 1 year ago

If you eat Animals: YOU are the problem: How Environmentalists are Overlooking Vegetarianism as the Most Effective Tool Against Climate Change in Our Lifetimes

Global warming poses one of the most serious threats to the global environment ever faced in human history. Yet by focusing entirely on carbon dioxide emissions, major environmental organizations have failed to account for published data showing that other gases are the main culprits behind the global warming we see today. As a result, they are neglecting what might be the most effective strategy for reducing global warming in our lifetimes: advocating a vegetarian diet.

The environmental community has focused its efforts almost exclusively on abating carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. Domestic legislative efforts concentrate on raising fuel economy standards, capping CO2 emissions from power plants, and investing in alternative energy sources. Recommendations to consumers also focus on CO2: buy fuel-efficient cars and appliances, and minimize their use. ,

This is a serious miscalculation. Data published by Dr. James Hansen and others show that CO2 emissions are not the main cause of observed atmospheric warming. Though this may sound like the work of global warming skeptics, it isn’t: Hansen is Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies who has been called “a grandfather of the global warming theory.” He is a longtime supporter of action against global warming, cited by Al Gore and often quoted by environmental organizations, who has argued against skeptics for subverting the scientific process. His results are generally accepted by global warming experts, including bigwigs like Dr. James McCarthy, co-chair of the International Panel on Climate Change’s Working Group II.

... Nevertheless, the fact remains that sources of non-CO2 greenhouse gases are responsible for virtually all the global warming we’re seeing, and all the global warming we are going to see for the next fifty years. If we wish to curb global warming over the coming half century, we must look at strategies to address non-CO2 emissions. The strategy with the most impact is vegetarianism.

Methane and Vegetarianism By far the most important non-CO2 greenhouse gas is methane, and the number one source of methane worldwide is animal agriculture.

Methane is responsible for nearly as much global warming as all other non-CO2 greenhouse gases put together. Methane is 21 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2. While atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have risen by about 31% since pre-industrial times, methane concentrations have more than doubled. Whereas human sources of CO2 amount to just 3% of natural emissions, human sources produce one and a half times as much methane as all natural sources. In fact, the effect of our methane emissions may be compounded as methane-induced warming in turn stimulates microbial decay of organic matter in wetlands—the primary natural source of methane.

With methane emissions causing nearly half of the planet’s human-induced warming, methane reduction must be a priority. Methane is produced by a number of sources, including coal mining and landfills—but the number one source worldwide is animal agriculture. Animal agriculture produces more than 100 million tons of methane a year. And this source is on the rise: global meat consumption has increased fivefold in the past fifty years, and shows little sign of abating. About 85% of this methane is produced in the digestive processes of livestock, and while a single cow releases a relatively small amount of methane, the collective effect on the environment of the hundreds of millions of livestock animals worldwide is enormous. An additional 15% of animal agricultural methane emissions are released from the massive “lagoons” used to store untreated farm animal waste, and already a target of environmentalists’ for their role as the number one source of water pollution in the U.S.

The conclusion is simple: arguably the best way to reduce global warming in our lifetimes is to reduce or eliminate our consumption of animal products. Simply by going vegetarian (or, strictly speaking, vegan), , , we can eliminate one of the major sources of emissions of methane, the greenhouse gas responsible for almost half of the global warming impacting the planet today.

Advantages of Vegetarianism over CO2 Reduction In addition to having the advantage of immediately reducing global warming, a shift away from methane-emitting food sources is much easier than cutting carbon dioxide.

First, there is no limit to reductions in this source of greenhouse gas that can be achieved through vegetarian diet. In principle, even 100% reduction could be achieved with little negative impact. In contrast, similar cuts in carbon dioxide are impossible without devastating effects on the economy. Even the most ambitious carbon dioxide reduction strategies fall short of cutting emissions by half.

Second, shifts in diet lower greenhouse gas emissions much more quickly than shifts away from the fossil fuel burning technologies that emit carbon dioxide. The turnover rate for most ruminant farm animals is one or two years, so that decreases in meat consumption would result in almost immediate drops in methane emissions. The turnover rate for cars and power plants, on the other hand, can be decades. Even if cheap, zero-emission fuel sources were available today, they would take many years to build and slowly replace the massive infrastructure our economy depends upon today.

Similarly, unlike carbon dioxide which can remain in the air for more than a century, methane cycles out of the atmosphere in just eight years, so that lower methane emissions quickly translate to cooling of the earth.

Third, efforts to cut carbon dioxide involve fighting powerful and wealthy business interests like the auto and oil industries. Environmental groups have been lobbying for years to make fuel-efficient SUVs available or phase out power plants that don’t meet modern environmental standards without success. At the same time, vegetarian foods are readily available, and cuts in agricultural methane emissions are achievable at every meal.

Also, polls show that concern about global warming is widespread, and environmental activists often feel helpless to do anything about it. Unless they happen to be buying a car or major appliance, most people wanting to make a difference are given little to do aside from writing their legislators and turning off their lights. Reducing or eliminating meat consumption is something concerned citizens can do every day to help the planet.

Finally, it is worth noting that reductions in this source of greenhouse gas have many beneficial side effects for the environment. Less methane results in less tropospheric ozone, a pollutant damaging to human health and agriculture. Moreover, the same factory farms responsible for these methane emissions also use up most of the country’s water supply, and denude most of its wilderness for rangeland and growing feed. Creating rangeland to feed western nations’ growing appetite for meat has been a major source of deforestation and desertification in third world countries. Factory farm waste lagoons are a leading source of water pollution in the U.S. Indeed, because of animal agriculture’s high demand for fossil fuels, the average American diet is far more CO2-polluting than a plant-based one.

Recommendations Organizations should consider making advocating vegetarianism a major part of their global warming campaigns. At a minimum, environmental advocates should mention vegetarianism in any information about actions individuals can take to address global warming. Government policy should encourage vegetarian diets. Possible mechanisms include an environmental tax on meat similar to one already recommended on gasoline, a shift in farm subsidies to encourage plant agriculture over animal agriculture, or an increased emphasis on vegetarian foods in government-run programs like the school lunch program or food stamps.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Earthday Everyday! Make a difference

http://www.care2.com/causes/top-10-ways-to-make-every-day-earth-day.html

Change your behavior to save the planet

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And this is scientists working hard to prove to the ignorant Fossilized dinosaurs on the right who still deny climate change.

http://news.yahoo.com/antarctic-team-digs-deep-predict-climate-future-121909842.html

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

It would seem that plant based whole foods scares many people in spite of the heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia, auto immune diseases and a host of other dire conditions brought about by our recent Western dietary patterns.

Communities living on plant based nutrition have very low incidence of these diseases.

Giant food corporations sell processed food for profit not for our health.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

Your comments only apply to factory farming and the techniques they use like feeding the cows corn. While it is true that the meat industry is responsible for both rain forest deforestation and the litany of repercussions of factory farming it is not the production of meat itself that causes the destruction it is the techniques used. the best farming techniques are biodiverse integrated traditional techniques enhanced with science.

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The Kochs & their conservative lapdogs are still the greatest threat to combating the causes & affects of climate change.

http://www.nationofchange.org/koch-brothers-continue-state-state-attempts-stifle-growth-renewable-energy-1363529460

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

the us military is the biggest consumer of oil in the world.

[-] 5 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Military/defense spending strangling the planet with death, & austerity.

I recommend at least half US defense spending xferred to green tech/jobs.

It's doable.

& it's what we need

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 months ago

turn the military and the army corps of engineers loose on america enhancing ecosystems for resource production and restroring degraded ecosystems, building autonomous buildings, smart developments, and green infrastructure.

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Supporting the many actions in this regard is critical if we are to achieve the necessary momentum.

Keep the pressure up.

[-] 0 points by flip (6987) 2 months ago

great idea - as my hockey line mate would say - "you have told me the what, now tell me the how" - i think we could get most of the population to go along with that idea. especially if we had a president pushing and educating. i believe that there are plenty of good ideas that we could get those from ows and the teaparty to agree on. i guess thus the term 99%. too bad we do not have the leadership

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 weeks ago

"How Solar can become the world's largest source of electricity" (there's a great idea!)

http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-solar-can-provide-over-half-the-planets-electricity/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Weekly%2520Sept%252030&utm_campaign=weekly

"The main thing I want to highlight is just that solar costs are plunging so fast that even the stodgy IEA is scrambling to keep up."

The leadership we need must be imposed from the street to ALL our representatives. With growing people power & coalescing with evermore like minded progressive groups we cannot fail..

We need everyone (agitating) to change everything.

[-] 1 points by flip (6987) 2 weeks ago

We own a utility scale solar construction company. Build projects all over the country. You are preaching to the choir. The Feds need to fund this stuff big time. And now. Like a new manhattan project.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 weeks ago

Viable home energy storage (economic, technical, practical) is critical.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/09/30/solar-energy-storage-system-homes-businesses-unveiled/

"An 8.6 kWh lithium-ion solar energy storage system for residential and commercial use has been launched by JuiceBox Energy. It is designed to work with grid-tied or off-grid solar systems. It features a system controller so the battery can be used as back-up power to a grid, thus enabling peak shifting and demand charge reduction. Notice these capabilities go beyond mere storage."

Time to end burning of fossil fuels.

[+] -5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 week ago

no wonder Repub pols deny climate change:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/26720-new-research-shows-pollution-inequality-in-america-even-worse-than-income-inequality

"This is why the public's right to know about environmental hazards is so important. An informed public can press both public officials and private firms to curtail pollution and to reduce environmental disparities."

Repub wealthy constituents/overlords aren't hurt by pollution?

Retire climate denying pols!!

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Join the "Peoples Climate March"

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?dlv_id=337500&em_id=370825.0

Sierra club: activism inspired by OWS.

[-] -2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Global sea levels have risen 400 feet since the last ice age about 20,000 years ago. Global warming and cooling is normal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

The truth about climate change can't be understood by looking at only the last 100 years of climate history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

The bigger picture is important but cherry picking does not help. Never since man's existence has change happened so fast and in the presence of so many man made changes.

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Man's existence on this planet is the blink of an eye in the grand timeline.

Climate changes on this planet HAVE happened this fast before.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110908145109.htm

"800,000 Years of Abrupt Climate Variability: Earth's Climate Is Capable of Very Rapid Transitions"

http://www.bodc.ac.uk/projects/uk/rapid/

"Studies of past climate have shown that large changes can occur over timescales as small as ten or twenty years. To find out more, follow these links"

Man made changes can only happen if man is around. But rapid climate changes have happened in the past when man hasn't been a factor.

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Yes the time scales are long and man's measurements have largely arising out of deduction. Various changes in climate one would suspect have related causal events or combinations of conditions.

Once oceans were formed, that the mass of water that we are familiar with, would dampen the rate of change sinking heat energy. Speculation and discussion about rates of change will continue to evolve as more evidence is uncovered.

Time lines involved for rapid warming or cooling are also controlled by the various feedback systems. There may be a limit to how fast the climate can change without occurance of a catastrophic events such as collision of an large asteroid with Earth.

Climate change is a consequence of a complex interaction of causal conditions.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Yes, complex interaction of causal conditions. There may be a limit to how fast the climate can change without occurrence of catastrophic events, and there may not be. Discovering more evidence is something I fully support.

[-] -1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Correct. Cherry picking is focusing only on the last 100 years. It doesn't help.

Over the last 20,000 years, sea levels rose an average of 2 feet a century. Currently it's about one foot per century.

What figures support your claim that change is happening so rapidly?

[-] 4 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Can we all agree pollution is bad and we must cut down on it?

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

I agree 100% with that and add very little myself by a lifestyle of low consumption.

[-] 3 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Well excellent. We can also cut down on eating meat, using the car, the thermostat, & encourage our friends to do the same.

Finally and most importantly we can agitate our govt to do what you are doing individually. Cut down on polluting!!

It's simple. We just gotta stop urning so much.

Time for clean energy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/these-greentech-actions-shouldbe-a-focus-of-pressu/

[-] -1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Although you and I might do these things, the bulk of humanity is pursuing ever increasing consumption. I don't think this tide can be turned, even if the oceans spilled over every coastline.

Look at the air pollution in Beijing. Their greed is so great that they sacrifice the health of many for the wealth of the few.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are correct, adequate change is unlikely. But that is no excuse for inaction. We must agitate for all peoples all over the world to burn less, consume less.

It is urgent that we continue the fight. We can't give up.

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/08/hawaii-climate-change-second-greatest-annual-rise-emissions For a starter.

The rate of co2 rise is increasing exponentially. You surely know what this means.

There is approximately a 20 year lag between man's actions and climate consequences so one may expect the rate of climate change to accelerate in spite of any immediate effective curbs mankind is able effect on his reduction of carbon emissions, deforestation, fossil resource mining and resultant devastation and pollution, exponential population explosion, reduction of plant species variety, poisoning of soils with fertilisers adding to the 2 + % of fertile soil being lost per year worldwide and the increasing sickness of western nations both health wise and culturally. Increase use of animal products in the diet is economically, ecologically without sustainability, and lead to the crash even more rapidly.

But no curbs are being effectively implemented.

Your quoted average of 2 feet a century is not the rate over the last 8000 years leading up to the very recent acceleration of man's exponential population growth coupled with the use of coal and oil over the last 200 years. As this fossil fuel use has also grown exponentially and energy harvesting has become an insatiable drive in human culture, the pattern of sea level rise has changed from near equilibrium to a new melting pattern which has accompanied heating of the oceans coincident with CO2 rise in the atmosphere linked with fossil fuel being burnt.

In short the bigger picture shows the links.

[-] -3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

If you look at the link with the Milankovitch cycles, there's a graph that shows Co2 rising as a result of temperature increase, all without man's assistance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Also the rise in CO2 levels equates closely with the imbalance expected with burning of fossilcarbon deposits laid down in past eras and consequent with reduction of CO2 in the atmosphere during those times.

The natural processes of CO2 reduction in the atmosphere in recent eras are largely linked with life forms capturing CO2 and storing it in living cells which then become a part fo the surface layers of the planet. [coal and oil being two forms of concentrated carbon sequestration.]

In modrn times we have stripped away a significant part of the forests which have taken part in this process so much less CO2 is removed from the atmosphere as a consequence.

Added to that European stock have been the primary movers in instigating mining of coal for burning followed by extraction of oil for burning.

The balance of CO2 in the atmosphere evident in very recent times leading up to mans exponential short term exploitation of fossil sequestration of carbon deposits, has shown CO2 increase in the atmosphere commensurate with fossil fuel burning and forest reduction.

There has been a lot of work done on this which remains consistent with known and understood predictions which have taken into account the lag in time expected.

While there are many and varied alternative theory thrown up, they do not explain what is happening when rigourously analysied.
If a more convenient explanation of CO2 rise was found to be tenable then rigorous scientific scrutiny would be applied with comprehensive peer review and publications.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Agitate ALL pols to end Coal giveaways

http://act.credoaction.com/sign/jewell_coal_leasing/?akid=7312.3424571.USxuP_&rd=1&t=3

We need your help.

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Check the CO2 rise in the atmosphere, ocean temperature rise and acidification, pollution caused by massive scourge of plastic particles interfering with animal and human hormonal system, human population explosion and energy consumption, depletion of natural resources including fertile soil which is disappearing at a rate of 2 + % per year and thousands of other new developments diminishing hope for future generations.

You can ignore all of that and pin your blind hopes on denialist propaganda but the weight of evidence is enormous. Common sense surely must hit home at some point but it is already too late to change the path to massive change which is already rolling.

Put a group of rats in an area which is finite with a finite amount of food and see what happens over time.

[-] -3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Did you know there used to be an ice sheet over a large part of North America, extending as far south as New York and Chicago. It was over a mile thick in places. What caused it to melt? The Co2 emitted from cave man's camp fires?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentide_ice_sheet

[-] 2 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

The scientist that have assembled the picture on past climate are the very ones warning of the man made warming.

Long term climate patterns are a fascinating and the more mankind explores the evidence, the greater are the questions that arise. Perhaps the future climatologists wil have a detailed picture of the interactions affecting climate if mankind lasts long enough, which is the concern held by many.

The precautionary principle regarding climate appear to be denied to the world by a small group of controlling wealthy power brokers. Economics short term for the purposes of their wealth harvesting seems to take precedence.

The idea that burning of fossil fuel, stripping of forests, heating of the ocean and producing multifarious changes in all written off to "progress" without unwanted consequence, defies logic and defies scientific reporting observable effects.

The basic principle that you cannot change one thing alone without other changes happening stands firm.

If a person wants to believe a particular line of understanding and is resistant to accepting a change, then that may be a function of their makeup. Not all can weigh up evidence that is contrary to their beliefs. For some it is a painful process to change undertanding.

I have avoided posting numerous links and the wider picture is the best starting point.

Perhaps you may see that the scale and effect of a mere thousand or two "cavemen" at the late stone age era could burn fires at will with little effect due to the insignificant magnitude of their omissions and the vast biosphere very much intact.

Man's growth in numbers in recent times is over three million fold that "caveman" population with environment resources being exploited on a very different scale of billions fold.

For example the out of control oligarchy called Monsanto produced a deadly toxic substance called PCB, traces of which is now found in living cells in every ecosystem tested. Mans impact is on a devastating scale.

Public education is sorely lacking and mis education is alive and thriving.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You can't believe this nonsense really. Can you?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is real evidence that climate change is real & we must act!

http://news.yahoo.com/why-1-600-years-ice-melting-25-years-180000961.html

Please join Occupy in our efforts to reduce our fossil fuel use.

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Something smells. Have you heard anything about this ?

oil & gas cos & environmentalists agree on fracking approval process

http://news.yahoo.com/both-sides-agree-tough-fracking-standards-170129217--finance.html

Nothing good can come of this.

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Agreed. must be suspect. gotta see which environmental groups are on board. The key is these independent seats. Industry can pay off those people easiest.

Depressing to see this happen, creates cover for the industry.

Gotta ratchet up the pressure.

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I only recognize the Env Def Fund. but none of the biggest groups. The others could be industry setups but I don't wanna be too conspiratorial.

And the thing I remember most about Whitmans tenure as GWBushs EPA admin is that she said the air down at ground zero was safe. And I could taste the burning plastic for a week after her statement.

I Don't trust her. Nor O'neill although can't specific an incident with him.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 3 weeks ago

Walter_Lars retweeted a Tweet you were mentioned in 49m:

@Matt_Holck The more fracking in the USA, the less resources we'll need from despotic, backwards 3rd world shitholes #RedEye

Walter_Lars

I believe would could expend a lot less energy by changing our car culture

so we don't commute everyday to work

[-] 2 points by grapes (3250) 4 weeks ago

I am Very disappointed that China's and India's top leaders will not be attending the UN summit. They were the bones of contention at the runup to the Kyoto Treaty. The U.S. did not join it either because of their being exempted as developing countries. Now both have grown a lot in their climate footprints, especially China which has already exceeded the U.S. a few years ago.

With the largest populations on Earth, China and India should not tuck their heads in their turtle shells and become "forever emerging countries."

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Without a doubt, China, India, the entire developing world must STOP burning fossil fuels.

Like us.

ALL of us. None excluded.

A rapid move to clean energy is an existential need.

I share your disappointment in China/India & expand it to all nations.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3250) 4 weeks ago

Reducing the usage of coal by China and India is probably the most effective method of reducing CO2 emissions as well as improving the air quality and stopping the adverse health consequences on their largest populations on Earth.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Arrests can begin any moment!

http://new.livestream.com/jamesfromtheinternet/events/3416732

We're a stand still on broadway.

(oh, in response to yr comment.: Agreed!)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

World Spanning Issue? YOU BET


I can sincerely say this is the most important petition we've ever done.

Sorry for the language, but one top scientist just warned that we are all "f*cked" if global warming releases gigantic amounts of methane gas from the arctic tundra. The UN knows this, and is bringing world leaders to New York for an emergency summit.

Hundreds of thousands of us will take to the streets for the People’s Climate March just before the summit. Let’s make sure that on that day we deliver the largest Avaaz petition ever, for the only solution: mobilize the world to shift to 100% clean energy. Add your voice, and forward this widely:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_76/?bGfGZcb&v=44754

Whether it's the 'arctic methane bomb', the rapid acidification of our oceans, or apocalyptic flooding, climate change is the biggest threat humanity is facing, and we need the biggest petition ever to meet it. The number of us who sign will be read out to all leaders at the summit, published in hundreds of media articles, and be delivered by our marches worldwide.

100% clean energy is a realistic goal. Already, 20% of the world's electricity comes from clean energy, and solar power is cheaper than coal in many countries! We just need to get our leaders to agree to put our foot on the accelerator.

We're gearing up for the largest climate mobilization in history on September 21. Already hundreds of events are organised and hundreds of thousands of people signed up. But the events are designed to deliver our petition to decision makers. Let's make it the largest call to action ever. Join now and tell everyone:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_76/?bGfGZcb&v=44754

We're all different, and beautifully diverse. But whoever and wherever we are, climate change threatens everything we love, and brings all of us together. Let's come together now.

With hope,

Ricken, Danny, Lisa, Judy, Alex, Iain, and the rest of the Avaaz team

PS - Every signature really does count! Add your voice here: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_76/?bGfGZcb&v=44754

MORE INFORMATION:

Climate scientist drops the F-bomb (Salon) http://www.salon.com/2014/08/06/climate_scientist_drops_the_f_bomb_after_startling_arctic_discovery/

EU to beat 2020 climate targets, split over 2030 ones (Reuters) http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/14/eu-carbon-idUKL6N0O06BG20140514

The most influential climate change paper today remains unknown to most people (Inside Climate News) http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20140213/climate-change-science-carbon-budget-nature-global-warming-2-degrees-bill-mckibben-fossil-fuels-keystone-xl-oil?page=show

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

The EPA has issued new rules on limiting carbon emissions from existing power plants in the US, and the clock is ticking to give feedback. No surprise -- Big Coal is trying to kill these rules. So the EPA needs to hear from you today!

Tell the EPA that you support strong regulation of carbon emissions from power plants.

Take Action

The proposed rules are an important step forward since power plants are the largest emitters of greenhouse gasses. The rules have already provoked a huge backlash from the fossil fuels industry and its allies, which say that the EPA is going too far.

However, the reality is the EPA’s new rules don’t reduce emissions fast enough and don’t go far enough to limit natural gas, biomass, and burning garbage as energy sources. They also need to do more to protect our poorest and most vulnerable communities.

Join Green Americans from across the country in letting the EPA know that you support strong regulation of carbon emissions from power plants, and want them to go even further to protect our health and the health of our planet.

Take action today!

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Shocking photos: This is what drought looks like

by Jen HaydenFollow

Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM PDT

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 2 months ago

nice picture set

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

In less than one month, President Obama and heads of state from around the world will meet in New York to decide our climate future. We've been working around the clock with our allies to make sure we grab the attention of President Obama, other world leaders and the global media in September.

We need your help to make sure there is a huge crowd in New York to demand that world leaders aim high, and create the solutions we need to combat the climate crisis. If you haven't RSVP'd for the People's #ClimateMarch and are planning on going, you can do so here.

Not all of us can make it to New York City in September. But all of us have friends, family or co-workers who can attend. Please post to Facebook, Tweet or email your personal networks about the people's climate march.

People's climate march

Historic people's movements like the March on Washington involved thousands of dedicated activists recruiting friends and family to attend. This is our opportunity to all be a part of the largest mobilization on climate in the history of the planet.

Please ask your personal network to RSVP for the climate march in New York City this September via Facebook, Twitter or Email.

Thank you,

Aaron and the rest of the Environmental Action team

[-] 0 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

It's like you didn't learn anything from OWS.

Do you really think those people are trying to solve the Global Warming crisis?

Marching there is a complete waste of time.

If Global Warming is solved, it will be solved by companies like Google and by young inventors. Not by politicians.

I suggest you take a day to support youth inventors instead of wasting time in NYC marching for politicians.

Your letters to the government were useless. I would say it's even dangerous because these pleas to the government encourage the slave master relationship and fool others into thinking it might work.

The best is to completely ignore the government.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Shut up thrashingmasks. This is about a protest march. F'n Block-Head.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

OWS never made demands because that legitimizes the power structure. OWS was about a DIY attitude. The idea that we don't need representatives, because we can make things better ourselves.

This is a march of desperation. A march of slaves asking our masters to do something for us. It's weak.

It's even sadistic because, as turbocharger points out below, we know these people do not want to help. They have shown this time and time again.

Put some clothes on and get out of your therapeutic bed for once. Get away from your computer and have a look at the real world.

Don't waste your time with this march people. Encourage change by supporting those who are working on it, young inventors, not by begging politicians we already know do not care.

Letters to the government are fundamentally anti-OWS in conception. Occupiers don't write letters to the government, Democrat dork trolls do.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

OWS never made demands

Try not to choke now thrashingmasks ->

People's Climate March, September 21, 2014.

On the weekend of Occupy Wall Street's third anniversary, we occupy for climate justice.

Columbus Circle, New York City. Join us.

— from your Occupy Network team

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

That is not from Occupy. OWS is basically dead. There are no more general assemblies where people make decisions together. Occupy Network Team is one person. Jart. She uses the Occupy to hide the fact that it's a jartocracy.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

You certainly have been trying to kill occupy - but you have to date - FAILED.

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Occupy died years ago, the founders themselves mentioned this. One founder even went as far as to say that occupy needed to die as fast as possible so we could move to other strategies.

Jart will be the first to tell you Occupy is dead. She helped to kill it by using anti-Occupy strategies like taking over the twitter feed and this forum. She wants a jartocracy, not a world where people decide things together.

Get with the times. Cover that fat sweaty naked body and get out of your therapeutic bed and go into the real world for a change.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Eat Shit and Bark at the moon thrashingmasks.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Please don't soil this forum with kindergarten level insults. We aren't playing in a sandbox and no one here wants to return to the Twinkle Team days of toilet mouthing.

Try to push OWS philosophies and thinking, That's what this site is for. This is not a Democrat forum.

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[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Why are other people deciding our future?

And better yet, why are we relying on other people to decide our future?

And even better yet, why would anyone expect something from someone whose job is to do the opposite?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

What are you trying to say? Are you against the protest? Climate change and fossil fuel are not a local problem/issue - it is a world wide issue.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

And yet when it comes down to it, no one is willing to do anything on a local scale about it. Its always someone else's problem to solve.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Hence the protest march. Meeting is in New York - that makes it local as at least being held in the USA - those who can get to New York for the protest should do so. Don't-cha think?

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

I like the protests, great energy, just wish we would stop pandering to these politicians.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

So - what would you suggest? Other than protesting and voting out of office all of the sellouts we can identify. What is it you suggest?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

We will see how many impeachment signs are out there.

There is this weird thing in politics where people love to protest and get upset at the ones they didnt hire, but the ones they did they never really get to mad at them.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

There is this weird thing in politics where people love to protest and get upset at the ones they didnt hire, but the ones they did they never really get to mad at them.

Trying to explain the republican party supporters?

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Stop, stop, stop, being an Obama lover!

Both parties are wicked and evil.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

I don't love OHBummer. And currently those in office who claim to be republican - ARE - FAR WORSE - than those currently claiming to be democrat. So currently the best course of action would be to finish destroying the so called GOP/Tea Party - they themselves look to be trying real REAL hard to commit political suicide in the 1st place.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Stick to barking at the moon. That at least you "can" do.

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

OK beggar boy. Phew... I smell your fat naked body from here... wash up and put some clothes and go take a walk outside. You'll learn about the world and exercise is good for fibromyalgia.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Obsessed much? See if your Dr. can adjust your meds. In the mean time - crawl back under your basement stairs and whimper quietly.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

I dont see much of a difference between the supporters of each of them.

Everyone hates the living hell out of the other one, while giving their own a pass. There is going to be a ton of Dems at this protest that think if only they gave those specific politicians more power in this system, the clouds would part and the sun would shine, etc. Its straight up strange.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

What I would suggest is that if pollution is really an issue, that we must all decide to not only remove every single politician from office, but also start living our lives in radically different ways.

I don't see either one happening anytime soon, and I'll be honest, I'm probably not going to change my own personal habits anytime soon voluntarily.

Carlson said that when the planet has enough of us, it will get rid of us like it does everything else.

Personally I think the entire system is a sell out, but I would settle for at least voting in normal people who are outside of the parties of this point.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Bah, beurk! The man who writes letters to the government. How's that working for you beggar boy. I heard you beg jart too.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

OMG, you really don't understand OWS do you.

WE DO NOT NEED REPRESENTATIVES. Because we have more power than we think. We can change things ourselves, we don't have to pander to others in order to change things. Voting changes nothing. Everyone in office is corrupt. The system is flawed, so changing the actors means little.

What we need to do is change things ourselves, or directly help those that are changing things. It's not so much about protest as it is about being active and proactive. Help a young inventor, or work at inventing something yourself. Instead of protesting the government for it to do what you want when you know it won't anyways, volunteer for one day helping a company do solar panels, or volunteer at your schools science club, or work on an invention yourself.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

OMG, you really don't understand OWS do you.

1) I am not your god.

2) you talk about building a bridge to the ground - and yet when provided with the opportunity - you put it down.

3) You just are not clever - you put down occupy activities - while you say you support occupy.

Keep barking at the moon thrashingmasks - It - IS - your comfort zone.

[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago
  1. No, you really are not. You're a naked sweaty pig in a therapeutic bed. You stalk me all the time, that's the only common thing you have with a God.

  2. What opportunity? There hasn't been any. You don't think building a bridge to the ground is a good thing?

  3. This march is not an occupy activity. it is a jart activity. Show me a GA that voted this as an occupy activity. I believe occupy should be a community project. People deciding together what things will be done.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Here - talk to -> harry@jobparty.us (harry@jobparty.us) as he sent out the notice.

I don't think that he is jart.

Now go back under your basement stairs and whimper quietly please.

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[-] -1 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Great questions indeed.

It's a DKA thing. Always hoping the government will suddenly snap and become all nice and dandy. He writes letters to the government because of that fantasy.

He missed the important lesson of OWS. We don't need representatives.

Why ask mommy when you can do it yourself.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

So explain yourself - when you are currently arguing against getting out into the street with this protest march in New York. Yuh Block-Head.

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[+] -4 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 week ago

Oilco's own Repubs & MSM

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/26728-the-media-s-new-climate-denial

"It’s pretty simple: We can’t tackle climate change while fracking and burning more oil and gas. Big media outlets that refuse to make this simple connection are the new climate denialists."

As bad as repubs huh?

[-] 9 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 week ago

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/31/AR2010033100024.html

Dems open Alaska, the Atlantic and the Gulf to more oil exploration, in the biggest expansion in 50 years.

[+] -5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 week ago

We the people have failed to force our pols to vote against fin/oil interests.

More pressure on ALL pols who deny climate change and oppose alternative energy.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/11/climate-can-debate-forever/17137787/

"For most of the country, Democrats are sold on the idea that we're causing the earth's weather to change for the worse; Republicans, on the whole, remain skeptical."

Retire ALL pols who deny climate change & oppose climate action

[-] 6 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 week ago

"convinced" is not action, its pr nonsense to appease people like you.

[+] -5 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 week ago

'Appease' me.? How?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1360) 1 week ago

Get you believe something.

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More pressure on ALL pols who deny climate change and oppose alternative energy.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/11/climate-can-debate-forever/17137787/

"For most of the country, Democrats are sold on the idea that we're causing the earth's weather to change for the worse; Republicans, on the whole, remain skeptical."

Retire ALL pols who deny climate change & oppose climate action

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Today’s a big day, but with your help, a month from today will be massive.

As of today, we are officially one month out from what could be a defining moment for the climate movement. On September 21st, thousands of people are going to flood the streets of New York City ahead of the landmark UN Climate Summit -- and we need you to join us.

Click here TODAY to RSVP and get involved with the largest mobilization demanding climate action in history.

Scientists have been sounding the alarm for years, but now a look out the window is all you need to know something is seriously wrong. Out my own window, I see a California that's stricken with the worst drought in the past 100 years after the state's warmest year on record. It’s easy to feel hopeless, especially given the state of politics, but I become hopeful when I think about marching in the streets with so many activists and communities from around the country.

It’s time to make sure that hope spreads far and wide, and to show that this movement is strong, diverse, and beautiful.

Oil Change International has been hard at work behind the scenes making sure the march is well organized, but the only way it’ll become a politically transformative moment is with you and all your friends there. The People’s Climate March is a moment to stand up and be counted...for our families, our friends, our communities, and our children’s future.

Already, there is transportation being organized to travel to New York from every corner of the country and ways to get involved even if you can’t make it in person. RSVP to the march and let your friends and family know why they should be there too.

See you in the streets!

-David Turnbull Campaigns Director Oil Change International

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Turns out Exxon really DOES hate America! Now they're working with a sanctioned Russian oil company to open a drilling rig in the Arctic. Sign to tell them to knock it off.

We can't make this stuff up. Exxon has just announced plans to partner with Rosneft, a massive Russian oil company that's been the target of U.S. sanctions, on a $700 million oil well in the Arctic.*

It's not enough that Exxon and friends are wrecking our climate, polluting our oceans, and taking $20 billion of our tax dollars to do it — now the biggest oil companies in the world are flouting U.S. sanctions.**

Enough is enough. Sign here to tell the President and Congress it's time to cut off all support for Big Oil companies that hate America.

explain why Exxon hates America, loves Russia

Of course, Exxon is also ignoring the fact that there's essentially no way to contain an oil spill in the Arctic. And of course Big Oil and their Big Russian buddies are totally ignoring climate change and the need to divest from fossil fuels immediately.

But this latest outrage makes it personal. Putin went as far as to sing the praises of Exxon, calling it "Russia’s old and reliable partner."*

But there's a chance that we can use bad news to do something good for the planet. A lot of people in Congress want to send Russia a stronger message over the Ukraine. And President Obama is about to head to the U.N. for a big round of talks on what world leaders can do to stop global warming. One of the most important ideas, endorsed by former heads of the U.N. and many international experts, is to end state subsidies of fossil fuel companies.

So let's help Congress and the President connect the dots: Big Oil is trashing our climate, and working with our enemies. These are not our friends — in fact, I think it's fair to say Exxon hates America. And we can surely agree that we should not be giving them $20 billion a year of our tax money.

Click here to send that message to Congress and the President, and we'll make sure it gets delivered.

Thanks, Drew Hudson, and the team at Environmental Action

** Steve Horn, Why ExxonMobil's Partnerships With Russia's Rosneft Challenge the Narrative of U.S. Exports As Energy Weapon, DeSmog Blog, March 17, 2014

Andy Rowell, To put pressure on Putin, you put pressure on Exxon, Oil Change International, March 19, 2014

*** Exxon Hates America

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Kind of shows the reach of the big money. Just like the banks always fund both sides of the war, the oil men always supply both sides.

They play the politicians like toadies. And we all attack each other over it.

What a world.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Corp(se)oRATions care nothing about politics nor do they care about the environment - they do not care about nations/countries - they do not care about human life or any other form of life. They only care about what they want and they will do any and everything they can to get what they want.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

In a way our votes with dollars are our most powerful weapon.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1707) 2 months ago

as the vast majority of wealth is with the rich,

we don't control the flow of money

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

State Fair is a good place to go to meet "local" business.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1360) 2 months ago

Ive never been to a state fair.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

On Global warming - drought & privatization:

Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 01:16 PM PDT Shocking drought data from NASA

by Jen HaydenFollow


Let us also not forget that fracking just got a judicial OK out there in Colorado.

And the parade of insanity continues on and on and on and..............

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 05:00 AM PDT State of Emergency in Siberia's Permafrost Region due to Wildfires

by PakaloloFollow

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (392) 3 months ago

This is yet another example of greed. It's greed that caused anthropogenic global warming to begin with. It's greed that prevents the media from giving this issue the attention (and truth) it deserves. It's greed that prevents any real progress on the issue. It's greed that prevents ALL of the rich and many ordinary people from taking the issue seriously. I would never ask any one person to eliminate their carbon foot print entirely. But I do think it's reasonable to ask that everyone try to keep it modest. At least by Western standards. We should be willing to make the occasional sacrifice for the good of society and most living things around the world. For our activity has been causing actual pain, suffering, misery, and death around the world. What's done is done but it's time to do a little less. A little less clear cutting. A little less building and expanding. A little less racing. A little less recreational travel. A little less of everything that causes anthropogenic global warming. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

"Delusional search for reasonable republicans"

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/24841-a-delusional-search-for-reasonable-republicans

Ay! We gotcha' anthropogene right 'er!

Retire pols against transition from fossil fuels

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (392) 3 months ago

By the way, this is another reason why I hate celebrities. Remember a few years back when a bunch of them showed up at an awards show in little hybrids? Well, it was just another Hollywood trend. It had nothing whatsoever to do with love of the Earth or even respect for nature. They did it because at the time, they were under more pressure to do so. Since then, the polls have shown less concern for anthropogenic global warming. So, that's it. The Hollywood pigs, for the most part, have gone right back to showing up in stretch limos and super exotic sports cars.

Don't even get me started on their private jets and mansions.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Thanks for that = http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/20/3451380/abandoned-pennsylvania-wells-spew-methane/

American Petroleum Institute " Natural Gas Good For You Good For The Environment"

Such a HUGE HOT SLOPPY STINKY TOXIC LOAD OF CRAP !!!

and

Children can you say "BS" ? GOOD. I knew ya could.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

You do understand that that investigation was the tip of a VERY large methane "iceberg".

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/23/3451919/high-risk-oil-and-gas-wells-not-inspected/

How many more in Texas?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Damn if only there were some way to alleviate these massive leaks of extreme green house gasses - hmmmmm - I know - put an open ended cylinder over the hole ummm abandoned well and light a match and throw it in the top? No no no Heh silly me...................I mean methane doesn't burn does it?

See -> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/20/3451380/abandoned-pennsylvania-wells-spew-methane/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Just had ta tweet/share

DKAtoday @DKAtoday · now

Massive Gas/Methane leaks from Abandoned Oil & Gas wells. What to do? https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1036307 … If only there was something that could be done

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

{ EDIT } NOVA | Earth From Space - PBS

I still find it hard to believe that Koch is a sponsor of NOVA.

EDIT -> Granted the major portion of the program was a feel good explanation of how the world operates. But at the very end ( the last ten minutes ? ) it finally touches on our ( humanities ) role as affecting how the world functions. Where the program ended - IS ( in my opinion ) - Where the program should have started and then expanded upon - OUR screwing-up of the operation of our environment/world.

EDIT continued -> The Earth's processes was stated as a complex set of interactions - stating that with an explanation of how the earth functions - and then following up with how our ( humanities/Industries ) pollution then feeds and distributes it's pollution/poison through this very same natural process - I feel would have been good in showing that no one is left out of the toxic effects - this also goes for it showing how the toxic/poisonous/pollution practices feed into global climate change as well. This I feel ( education of processes and interaction ) is where Koch might shoot himself in the foot with his support of NOVA - if people truly stop and think - then they will see the connection.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Huh - an interesting section on dust and dispersal - I wonder how they would liken it to the dumping fields of toxic coal dust and subsequent movement/distribution by the earths natural processes?


NARRATOR: Plankton may be key to life, but they themselves don’t live long. MODIS shows how, in just 72 hours, a bloom can rapidly weaken and fade. All the plankton that have not been eaten die and sink into the abyss. They take their precious minerals with them all the way back to the ocean floor. Here they will remain for millennia, a thick carpeting of tiny carcasses half a mile deep. Some of the minerals may ultimately be recycled, some may emerge through hydrothermal vents again, millions of years from now, but some plankton, through yet another extraordinary chain of events, will deliver their precious cargo of nutrients, not just to life in the ocean, but also to life on land.

Half a world away from the coast of Peru, where plankton bloom, lies the Sahara Desert in North Africa. The Sahara is enormous. It makes up a tenth of the African continent. It’s one of the driest and dustiest places on Earth. Surprisingly, the remains of ancient plankton are here, hidden in this arid landscape.

It is May, the hottest month of all. Camel herders travel through one of the most exposed regions of the Sahara: the Bodele Depression. Six thousand years ago, this was covered by the world’s largest freshwater lake. The floor of the lake is covered with the ancient remains of plankton, called diatomite, laid down in a much earlier age, when an ocean covered the region.

With its eye on the earth, from 400 miles above, Landsat 7 is one of the latest generations of satellites studying the composition of rocks that make up our planet. It sweeps the Bodele, producing these high-resolution pictures in multiple wavelengths of visible light. The white expanse is the diatomite on the bed of the lake.

CHARLIE BRISTOW ( Birkbeck, University of London): The size of the lake is over a thousand kilometers long and 600 kilometers wide. But, with a satellite image, we can see the whole extent of the basin on a series of images and visualize that, on a computer, in a matter of minutes.

NARRATOR: The satellite image analysis shows over 24,000 square miles of sediment, all of it diatomite.

CHARLIE BRISTOW: We can map where the diatomite sediment is on the floor of the lake.

NARRATOR: The diatomite from the plankton is a rich source of phosphorous, an element needed by all living things to produce energy. But for this nutrient to re-enter the chain of life, it must first embark on a long journey that can be seen from space.

The journey begins here on the ancient lakebed in the Sahara. The wind sweeps up a few flakes of diatomite into the air; the flakes fracture into a fine powder and are carried off by the wind; a dust storm builds. Twenty-two thousand miles above, the European weather satellite METEOSAT 8 looks down from its geostationary orbit. It records a daily pulse of dust rising off the Bodele Depression. Here, it’s visible as a whitish dust cloud, lifting from the desert, with clockwork regularity, at noon, each day.

CHARLIE BRISTOW: Although the individual particles of dust are minute—they’re hundredths or thousandths of a millimeter in diameter—there are such vast clouds of this dust that you can see it on satellite images.

NARRATOR: The dust cloud is over a hundred stories high and 200 miles wide. From here it will head west on an epic journey.

Seen from space, the dust is blown across Africa. At the Atlantic coast it’s drawn up high into the sky. This simulation, based on satellite data, shows how prevailing winds carry the dust cloud west and south, 3,000 miles across the Atlantic. As much as 7,000 tons of dust are airborne at any one time.

The destination is set by the winds: South America and the Amazon.

CHARLIE BRISTOW: We’re taking literally thousands of tons of this dust, which is containing phosphate, and exporting that from the Bodele. The wind is carrying it out across the Atlantic to fertilize the Amazon.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Sea surface temperatures in the Northeast Shelf Large Marine Ecosystem during 2012 were the highest recorded in 150 years, according to the latest Ecosystem Advisory issued by NOAA's Northeast Fisheries Science Center (NEFSC). These high sea surface temperatures (SSTs) are the latest in a trend of above average temperature seen during the spring and summer seasons, and part of a pattern of elevated temperatures occurring in the Northwest Atlantic, but not seen elsewhere in the ocean basin over the past century."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-04-sea-surface-temperatures-highest-years.html#jCp"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In compliment:

Sometimes it takes a mom to point out the obvious:

CLEAN is better than DIRTY.

That's especially true when it comes to the dirty emissions from cars and fuel that affect our children's lungs each and every day. We're very glad that the EPA has proposed a new "Tier 3 program". Not the most memorable name for such an important rule. But Tier 3 will set new vehicle emissions standards and lower the sulfur content of gasoline.

Tell the EPA you support their new Tier 3 emissions standards.

DIRTY: Cars and trucks are the second largest emitters of oxides of nitrogen and volatile organic compounds in the U. S. These are among the pollutants that form ozone.

CLEAN: Tier 3 slashes ozone precursors from vehicles by a whopping 80%.

DIRTY: Soot--particulate matter--is one of the most dangerous types of pollution. Soot triggers asthma attacks, bronchitis, heart attacks, and other types of lung disease.

CLEAN: Soot from vehicles will be 70% more tightly regulated

Bottom line: Cars and trucks will be cleaner and more efficient--at a cost of a penny a gallon.

Parents--who spend more than enough time idling in traffic--welcome these rules. And so does the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the Association of Global Automakers and the United Auto Workers. Our most important health groups also support this rule--because they know that it costs far more to care for sick Americans than to clean our air.

CLEAN versus DIRTY? Seems like a no-brainer. But do not assume that everyone in Congress gets it. Make sure EPA hears your voice, loud and clear. The comment period is open until June 13. Your support matters. Make sure you let EPA know we want to clean up.

Doesn't it feel good to be able to do something about air pollution?

Sincerely,

Dominique Browning Co-Founder and Senior Director, Moms Clean Air Force


BTW - what I added to the letter:

This effort should also support the growth of clean energy production and clean energy transportation development and implementation.


Also - Tweeted

Tell @EPAgov that you support new standards that will reduce vehicle emisisons. Via @MomsCAF http://bit.ly/11vVvxH Promote clean energy

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[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago
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[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

I think sooner rather than later, perhaps.

Certainly that is my preference.

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[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Good theory, in any case, the deniers s/b punished, at the pols & in the streets.

Bastard, oil whores!

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[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Climate Deniers are real.!

The NHL is with us

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/07/23/new-2014-nhl-sustainability-report/

How can we fail?

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Typhoons have gotten so huge they are affecting the polar vortex.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/14/3459809/polar-vortex-missed-the-point/

I wonder what the one currently hitting China will do to our weather. patterns?

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[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

The western drought, is reaching up into Canada too, creating HUGE fires that have gone unnoticed by the MSM.

You can see this fire, not just the smoke, from space.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/07/canada-wildfires-climate-change-feedbacks

Taxing the rich goes against libe(R)tarian principles, if you can call them that.

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[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Asshole

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Asshole

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[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

He do get the bots and puppets stirred up for his fellow trolls though.

He's trashy/shadz biggest fan.

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[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/18/3461677/noaa-state-of-the-climate-warmer/

The score for last year is in.

His comment was droughts happen.

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[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Wow, as big as it is, not a word in the MSM, nor from our own resident partisan insistent posers.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEV7xY88tTBxEAhc4PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=china+typhoon&hspart=visicom&hsimp=yhs-lavasoft

I guess 'cause it's only a 4?

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[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Oh no, I was being ironic.

They have no principals, as has been evidenced here for over 3 years.

Think of all that carbon that used to be sequestered in that boreal forest....on fire and releasing it's carbon for all the atmosphere to share..

That would be the ONLY principle of sharing you will find among the libe(R)tarians.

We get to share that, while they sequester all the profits, from the extraction that caused it.

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[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Oxygen?

Shi--it.

They already sell it to us after we've smoked their cigarettes and breathed their pollution.

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[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 months ago

Well, the way it's going, we will have to wait until they start building domes over their gated "communities", at that point, we may be able to shove some pipes under their dome and fill it up with diesel fumes, or something else of their own manufacture.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

From The Environmental Defense Fund:

https://secure2.edf.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=2083

Excerpt:

The dirty energy lobby is waging an all-out assault on the clean energy revolution — and they're working through the notorious American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to push model legislation to gut state renewable energy standards.

With companies like Koch Industries and Exxon Mobil sitting on ALEC's energy, environment and agriculture task force, they are trying to kill clean energy in America.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Global Average Temperatures Are Close to 11,000-Year Peak

That's 11,000 years, for those who seem to think what we are seeing is a mere blip.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=global-average-temperatures-are-close-to-11000-year-peak

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

From the article-

" After the ice age, they found, global average temperatures rose until they reached a plateau between 7550 and 3550 BC. Then a long-term cooling trend set in, reaching its lowest temperature extreme between ad 1450 and 1850."

"Since then, temperatures have been increasing at a dramatic clip: from the first decade of the twentieth century to now, global average temperatures rose from near their coldest point since the ice age to nearly their warmest, Marcott and his team report today in Science."

So-temperatures started rising after the last ice age, reach a plateau, then cooled. Now they are rising again, AND they are ALMOST back up to what they were prior to the "Little Ice Age". It's almost like scientists are SHOCKED that an earth coming out of a full on Ice Age warms slower and an earth coming out of a "little" ice age warms faster! Like they cannot fathom that more ice=takes longer to get warm, and less ice=much faster.

Wow.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OK. Mr. super pseudo scientist.

Whatever you say

WOW.

Good job.

How's your court case against Mother Nature coming along?

You're a Dominionist. I get that.

I think you're 100% wrong, but at least I understand why.

[-] 1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Excuse me? I quoted the article YOU linked to. Maybe you shouldn't link to pseudo science.

If you question the very basic laws of physics I referred to, I'm sure a scientist can help you with that.

I'm a "Dominionist"? Never heard of the term.

You can think and understand whatever you choose to. Doesn't mean it's true or accurate.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"The temperature trends during most of the post-ice-age period match those expected from natural factors such as the long-term variation in the tilt of Earth’s axis, says Marcott. But in the past century and a half, industrial emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide have increased — which helps to explain why global temperatures have risen so quickly in recent decades, he suggests."

You were saying?

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

He "suggests".

"Global average temperatures are now higher than they have been for about 75% of the past 11,300 years, a study suggests. "

25% of the past 11,300 years (2,825 years) it's been this hot or hotter.

AND all of those years were prior to a 4,000 year span between 7550 and 3550 BC. I wonder what caused things to be so hot back then? I wonder if those causes have ceased to function.

“Prior to this study, researchers could only guess whether global temperatures had exceeded the warmest part of the present interglacial period,” says Darrell Kaufman, a geologist at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff. The latest findings show that the recent high temperatures are not necessarily the warmest, but they are unusually high, he notes."

Recent high temps are not the warmest, even if they are unusually high. And as the title of the article demonstrates-

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You never did say how your court case against Mother Nature is coming along.

If you can't get the percentage you're looking for, will your case against her still hold up, or will the doubt created still be enough so that your ego isn't bruised while you continue to urge the poisoning of the planet, as long as there is profit involved?

The game you play, isn't just disingenuous, it's foolhardy and downright dangerous to every living thing on the planet.

So if you don't mind, while you play your game, the rest of us are going to accept the whole reality and not get hung up in the isolated details you keep getting hung up on.

It's a shame really. It makes me wonder if you aren't one of the myriad agenda21 nut bags running around here.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

"It" apparently has no children of "It's" own and no family that "It" cares for or "It" perhaps hates "It's" family.

"It" also probably figures that "It" will be dead before things really get nasty.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Just more propaganda when the facts are pointed out to you.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Meaningless "facts" in isolation.

Now, please go ahead and respond to what I actually wrote.

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Nothing you wrote about me is true. That's the only response I have.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I guess that's because nothing about you is true.

It just goes to follow.

So about those percentages?

You never did say what you were going to do IF you could find out what they are.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I could ask the same of you-since there is no way (currently) to know, what happens if, in the future, we find out the actual percentages and your case against the evil oil industry/human race doesn't hold up? Will you continue to claim that we're poisoning the planet as long as it suits your agenda?

"the rest of us are going to accept the whole reality"

HAHAHAHAHA. The "facts" in the article you linked to become "meaningless facts in isolation" when they are pointed out to you. And yet, YOU linked to them as if they HAD meaning of some kind.

The "whole reality" is that you REFUSE to accept any reality that doesn't fit your agenda. I guess "it just goes to follow".

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Here's the bottom line.

About 10 years ago, I was reading a paper (remember those?), and there in the business section, was a small one or two paragraph press release from GE, explaining that their board had "decided" that they as a corporation could now accept global warming, because they had figured out how to make a profit from it.

I looked at the lovely young blond sitting next to me and said this.

" If you think news about global warming is BS now, you haven't seen anything yet."

Not long before that announcement I had noticed stronger opposition to the scientific findings.

They have been growing ever since, and now you have the brothers Koch highly proactive in their donations to producing even more.

You can pretend that's not real, but it is.

Now would you like to explain what you are going to do if you get the percentages you keep asking for?

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Do you know how much money (profit) Al Gore has made hawking global warming? And yet he's flying around in his big jet and building mansions right on the shoreline....weird....for a guy who cares so much about the planet and screams that the oceans are going to overflow.

Do you know how much money (profit) countries would make selling "carbon credits"? (And how hilarious would it be to earn billions off of something that just might be occurring naturally or not really affecting the planet as touted!)

You act as if the Koch brothers and the oil industry are the ONLY ONES interested in making money. How many organizations on the "left" of the issue have realized, and would continue to realize profits if they can demonize the other side? Are you that naive? Do you actually think that evil and corruption CARES which side it's on?? For crying out loud, YOU link to "scientific findings" and then when I point out that those FINDINGS do not say what you want/need/think they say, YOU produce "stronger opposition to the scientific findings"!!! You're doing exactly what you want to point fingers at OTHERS for doing.

You think the Tides Foundation and billionaires on the left haven't been contributing all kinds of millions of dollars into the propaganda machine? YOU can pretend it's not real, but it is. You're only looking at half the picture my friend. And anyone who can read at all, knows that.

I'm going to watch and read and decide for MYSELF what the truth is, because that's what I'm after-the truth. It's not about percentages to me. It's about knowing ALL the facts before I go deciding who or what is to blame.

This doesn't mean I support pollution or evil or the Koch's or anyone else on the right. It means that the truth matters to me. And in this day and age of lie upon lie upon lie, that means I have to actually do the work MYSELF-rather than just believing the stuff I like hearing and discarding the stuff I don't. But if that's the price required so that I'm not beholdin to or "bound to" any particular party or idea or position other than the TRUTH, it's worth it to me.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

'Round and 'round and 'round you go.

I'll give you the truth, one more time.

I've stopped expecting you to actually explain your position.

It can only mean you don't actually know what it is.

"The game you play, isn't just disingenuous, it's foolhardy and downright dangerous to every living thing on the planet.

So if you don't mind, while you play your game, the rest of us are going to accept the whole reality and not get hung up in the isolated details you keep getting hung up on.

It's a shame really. It makes me wonder if you aren't one of the myriad agenda21 nut bags running around here."

[-] -1 points by DSamms (-294) 1 year ago

Welcome to the club, apparently.

[-] -3 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

...where even study author Marcott is now admitting that his bogus hockey stick blade is not "robust," and btw, which was fairly obvious to even most laypersons, including moi. "

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/03/analysis-marcott-et-al-hockey-stick-gigo-range-bad-proxies-bad-scientists.html

It appears that even scientific "idiots" (unlike myself) could see the STUPID screaming out of the Marcott paper.

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/03/anatomy-unprecedented-global-warming-bogus-hockey-stick-faux-science.html

"Conclusions: The Marcott et al. 2013 study is nothing more than rehashed alarmists' faux-science that will be undoubtedly eviscerated by statistical and climate experts, respectively. To rebuild their credibility, green-sharia scientists would be best advised to avoid promoting obviously flawed blender-statistical fakery that produce easily refuted bogus hockey sticks.

Let the evisceration begin: here, here, here, here, here, and here."

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

For the audience at home, would you please state the C words in the page title of C3 headlines?

For added clarity would you also explain what those words mean in the context of that website?

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I said "idiots" for you. Isn't that what you're babbling about?

Here's the thing, I assume the "audience at home" can read and comprehend all by themselves and doesn't need you or me to interpret anything for them. I'm sure they'll have no problem understanding that Marcott ADMITTED that the data in the paper is "not robust" and if that term is unfamiliar to them, they're smart enough to look it up. I'm also sure if they want to know more, they can click on the links and read the articles and decide for themselves what sounds real and what doesn't.

Stop insulting the intelligence of everyone who reads posts here by trying to do their thinking for them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Truly ashamed of the words those Cs stand for then?

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[-] 1 points by satohirona (-20) 1 year ago

Good initiative, Global Warming is definitely real and definitely caused by humans. Scientists thoroughly agree on that.

There's one thing I don't like and it's when you state that Global Warming caused Hurricane Katrina. I don't think we have scientific evidence to prove this. This undermines our scientific approach. We already have plenty of evidence for Global Warming, we don't have to make stuff up on the side. This doesn't help our cause.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Don't forget the oceans.

We're doing a number on those too.

http://www.stateoftheocean.org/index.cfm

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're making assumptions.

And one would have to wonder why you spend so much time and effort hanging on every political word.

But since you've brought it up, and you ARE the expert, what is said on the other side of the "aisle" on this subject?

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[-] -1 points by LeoYo (5846) 1 year ago

'Killer Hornets' Kill 42 in China

http://news.yahoo.com/killer-hornets-kill-42-china-100344960.html

8 hours ago

Beijing (AFP) - Swarms of hornets have killed 42 people in northwestern China in recent months, state media said Thursday, as temperatures rise and development drives the stinging insects into cities.

The terrifying attacks started in July, the official Xinhua news agency said Thursday, with 1,640 people having been stung.

Of those, 206 are being treated in hospital, it quoted the National Health and Family Planning Commission as saying.

"With the development of air-conditioning, urban landscaping and residential environment, hornets have started to migrate and relocate to cities, which has increased the probability of their hurting people," Xinhua said in a report Wednesday.

It carried a photo of a doctor examining a hospitalised patient with several large and swollen sting wounds on the legs.

It also quoted Huang Rongyao -- a senior official concerned with pest control in the city of Ankang, which has borne the brunt of the attacks -- as attributing the phenomenon to warmer-than-usual temperatures in the region.

"Furthermore, hornets are sensitive to bright colours, the smell of human sweat, alcohol, perfume, any specially scented articles and things that are sweet as well as the running of humans or animals," Huang said.

Hua Baozhen, a professor of entomology at Northwest Agriculture Forestry University, attributed the attacks mostly to a decrease in the number of the hornets' natural enemies, such as spiders and birds, due to ecological changes.

The Shaanxi Daily has said the attacks were centred on the cities of Ankang, Hanzhong and Shangluo.

CNWEST, the government-run news portal of Shaanxi province, said the provincial forestry department sent three teams of personnel to raise public awareness of hornets.

It also said that the province allocated six million yuan ($980,000) for work to prevent attacks and treat victims in the three cities.

Xinhua described the hornets as about the size of an adult thumb. China News quoted a person working to combat them as saying they are about three to four centimetres (less than two inches) long and thousands can inhabit a single hive.

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Ending drilling/burning fossil fuels addresses many issues.

Clean air:

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/renewables-account-for-more-than-half-of-2014-s-new-us-energy-capacity

Jobs

http://blog.ucsusa.org/good-jobs-green-jobs-moving-freight-more-efficiently-566

Certainly have support

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25075-on-the-news-with-thom-hartmann-majority-of-americans-favor-of-action-on-climate-change-and-more

Ending fossil fuel use will especially minimize the various related resource wars (Gaza, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, etc...)

Peace

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Greentech conversion: Possible, & Required.

http://www.nationofchange.org/germany-s-windiest-state-set-achieve-100-percent-renewable-energy-1403797055

Support all efforts, demand more through protesting, voting, repeatedly.

PEACE!!!

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

(Tw St)Inkles debate=distraction

This matters

http://new.livestream.com/jamesfromtheinternet/events/3416732

Please support our fellow occupiers risking arrest for Climate action, By commenting on substantive posts, & ignore our forum concern trolls distraction posts.

Thanks Leo

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5846) 4 weeks ago

If you think Jart's forum concern is a distraction, you don't have to respond to it. I, of course, will continue to respond to whatever I choose while disregarding those who feel a need to tell others on what to comment.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Climateweek NYC

Events

http://www.climateweeknyc.org/events/

Get involved

Peace

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 weeks ago

Since I didn't "tell" you what to comment on, (only asked) I guess you must apply a false argument because you can't honestly address my actual statement. (can you say strawman?)

I only pleaded with you to show some support, respect, common decency to our compatriots who are right NOW being arrested fighting for us.

I supportive comment of substance. A word "SOLIDARITY". Or a long drawn out treatise..... of substance. (nothing on twinkle team please) know any one who comments like that?

Certainly an end to feeding the concern troll who continues to infect/disrupt this forum is the least we can do.

Now please watch the live feed. Get inspired & support us please.

http://new.livestream.com/jamesfromtheinternet/events/3416732

Police are moving in now.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5846) 3 weeks ago

"By commenting on substantive posts, & ignore our forum concern trolls distraction posts."

http://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1048031

is indeed directing others what to comment on. You can call it 'pleaded' or anything else you'd like but the fact ever remains that you have no place pleading or telling anyone on this forum on what to comment, ignore, or support or even on what matters. It is your consistent disingenuous manner in addressing statements that continues to infect/disrupt this forum. Had there been any sincerity to your comments, you would have simply posted on the topic of this thread rather than engaging in the distraction of involving the subject of a different thread to which you have already repeatedly commented

http://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/#comment-1047687

http://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/#comment-1047720

http://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/#comment-1047728

http://occupywallst.org/forum/idea-list-names-of-twinklers-and-stinklers/#comment-1047694

and therefore have not ignored as you hypocritically 'plead' me to do.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

Is not "directing"!

I'm only asking for you to have some common decency, and respect our front line soldiers who risked arrest, (100 arrests) and injury, (pepper sprayed, roughed up), By contributing supportive comments.

You still haven't. Too preoccupied with the ..inkles?

If we asked our front line soldiers which they want to discuss what do YOU think they would say (as they wipe the chemicals from their eys, FOR YOUR benefit)?

Please, your dishonest strawman arguments, your lack of support for our cause, your continued feeding of our forum concern troll is illustrative of exactly where you are at.

We need you to set aside the support of distration/disruption and support/join our fight for climate action.

Check out John Stewart on the issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/jon-stewart-congress-climate-change_n_5866400.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

Peace, Good luck in all your GOOD efforts.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5846) 3 weeks ago

It is directing and as clearly shown above, you are not 'only' asking for me "to have some common decency, and respect our front line soldiers who risked arrest, (100 arrests) and injury, (pepper sprayed, roughed up), By contributing supportive comments." You are in fact making reference to an issue of another thread in combination with an issue of this thread while presuming some moral position to determine what others should be commenting on and assuming their lack of support based solely upon what comments you observe on this forum. The fact of the matter is that you are totally ignorant of what support anyone on this forum gives to any cause at any time and are therefore presumptuous in pretending to be in a position to request the support of others. The grown adults on this forum make their own decisions for their own reasons on what they should be doing and don't require your disingenuous inputs for doing anything. Your feigned concerns and show of support that has always been just that, a show, has never had any place on this forum. The forum needs you to set aside your hypocrisy, dishonesty, insincerity, and continued support of distraction/disruption and simply be for real. Can you do that? Can you post on topic without reference to the topic of another thread or attempting to determine for other grown adults what their support and comments should be?

We'll see.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

I didn't "assume" your lack of support, (strawman!) I only pointed out you haven't commented in support.

You still haven't.

The issue is Climate change:

Check this out:

http://fusion.net/Modern_Life/video/jane-goodall-flood-activists-nycs-climate-march-1067480

See that? On topic!

Good luck

[-] -1 points by LeoYo (5846) 3 weeks ago

I knew you couldn't do it. You couldn't just post on topic without making reference to an off topic issue. Even worse, you begin your reply with a blatant lie while making your usual false accusation of "(strawman!)". As anyone can still plainly read from your previous reply, "your lack of support for our cause" are indeed your words to me http://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1048258 showing that you have in fact assumed this to be. So, you can remain as preoccupied with what I do and don't comment on all you like, the rest of us have better things to do whether you know and/or approve of them or not.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

"Better things"? You mean the 2 year old twinkle debate/distraction/disruption that our forum concern troll pushes?

LMFAO!!! I disagree!

And pointing out your "lack of support" is not assuming you don't support, only shows you are currently not showing support.

(Still haven't)

In fact your trollfeeding distracts from the Climate issue and as such is the opposite of support.

Check this out:

Carbon bomb countdown!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/carbon-time-bomb-set-off-30-years-less-153225137.html

Glaciers fracturing!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/22/1331648/-Fractured-California-Glacier-Triggers-Flood-In-Midst-Of-Drought?detail=email#

Who are the deniers?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/22/1331607/-Dr-John-Holdren-deserves-a-medal-for-not-making-all-of-these-grown-men-wear-dunce-caps?detail=email

Join a group

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/2014/09/05/ufpj-sponsors-peoples-climate-march/

Have hope!!

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/compass/2014/09/10-recent-victories-that-will-give-you-hope-for-the-planet.html?utm_source=insider&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

And please show support for our front line soldiers

http://gothamist.com/2014/09/23/photos_dozens_arrested_after_flood.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily&utm_campaign=df31a6b01d-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73240544d8-df31a6b01d-932697#photo-1

they need us, they don't care about ..inkles.

Sorry.

Peace

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5846) 3 weeks ago

"Better things"? You mean the 2 year old twinkle debate/distraction/disruption that our forum concern troll pushes?

LMFAO!!! I disagree!"

And pointing out your "lack of support" is not assuming you don't support, only shows you are currently not showing support.

(Still haven't)

In fact your trollfeeding distracts from the Climate issue and as such is the opposite of support.


Practically anything is "Better" than your preoccupation with what anyone does and doesn't comment on so your disagreement is quite hilarious especially when it's clearly seen that you've been posting on the very thread you disparage. If you think Jart's posted concern is a distraction or disruption, you didn't have to contribute to it by making any replies on that thread. But you clearly did and repeatedly so. So if you honestly actually believe that the existence of other discussions on this forum somehow distract from and even oppose support of the Climate issue, it's not only one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard but your own participation in such discussions clearly applies to you as well. However, past experience doesn't indicate that you're truly that stupid, just that dishonest. Just like the dishonesty in attempting to claim that a clear statement assuming a lack of support only meant "not showing" support. Real support is not a show. People whose support is only show preoccupy themselves with the frivolities of what others do or do not show and to that extent, distract from anything of substance.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

So you gonna show support?

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26369-naomi-klein-on-cause-of-climate-crisis-capitalism-is-stupid

Naomi Klein has it right. And she didn't mention anything about the forum rules. She isn't distracted.

Support our fight. We need you!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5846) 3 weeks ago

As always, I'm going to continue doing whatever I choose to do whenever I choose to do it, disregarding anyone else's frivolous preoccupation with where and when I choose to comment.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

As is your right.

"..Againstthe cynics"

"The desire of growing numbers of activists to engage in civil disobedience and mass disruption of "business as usual" is an extremely positive development. But tactics should not be treated in isolation from the question of how to mobilize the social forces necessary for our side to win. Though both are important, neither peaceful protest nor civil disobedience--nor "uncivil" disobedience, for that matter, will by themselves force the changes that we seek.

Our discussion of tactics should take place in the context of a discussion of social power: who and what are the social forces capable of winning fundamental reform, and beyond that, fundamental transformation of the system that causes climate catastrophe. For that, mass action in many forms--marches, pickets, blockades, occupations, sit-ins and, in particular, the mass action of the working class in the form of strikes--will play a role."

http://socialistworker.org/2014/09/25/against-the-climate-march-cynics

Join us. We need you.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Will solution be buried in iterations of problem?

[-] -1 points by bonsai (-1) 1 year ago

It is an endless discussion about who or what causes climate change… for some people it is like a religion… if you don´t believe you are demned in hell! Fact is, we can´t be sure! it is more likely that there is more than only one single factor that causes this effect… But in the end it doesn´t matter at all !! We already know very well almost all is going wrong in our world, polluting our water, our air and food is killing all life on earth that’s obvious and I think we all agree in that. We must change the whole system and way of human living now, and then if climate change is man-made maybe we stop it, if not, we must find a way to live with new living conditions but we will never survive with this sick systems, ideologys and religions that only separates people and causes hate and war … in this debates it is only about who is wright and who is wrong… it is the same here with this climate debate, … it is the sick human ego… the “I am wright an you are wrong” thinking, it is useless… Fact is climate is changing for what reason ever, and fact is this is one of many very severe Problems we will have to deal with in future! We must change the world now or it will be too late and all discussions will be for nothing …

[-] 3 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

But we can all agree pollution is bad and we must cut down on it. right?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Getting more real every day.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/?p=904#.UTwU_coRB8E

I'm in Michigan, Detroit area and I now officially have flowers blooming.

[-] 1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

What kind of flowers. There are many late winter, early spring flowers that actually bloom in snow.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'll send you a picture when the light and wind get right and you tell me.

All I know is they are blooming about a month to a month and a half earlier than ever before.........

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[-] -2 points by dotcon (-2) 1 year ago

This is all such total shit.

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[-] -3 points by hatpin (-6) 3 months ago

The scandal of the global warming LIE. But chucklehead liberals fell for it. Earth cooling since 1930's. Scumbag liberals manipulate data.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

[-] -3 points by fanya11 (-35) 1 year ago

every single one of the comments above is bold face fucking LIE. Global warming...a religion..nothing more. Shrieking hand wringing liberals are the only one who believe it. Self loathing pinheads who demand to be taxed for breathing air.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Glenn?

What are you doing here?

Y'all musta got lost, and you know how truth and controversy twists yer biscuit.

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[+] -4 points by jdoggma (25) 1 year ago

This is total horse shit! The climate was warmer in the past, before human C02 was significant. There are 2 reasons for this climate change BS. 1) If taxpayer funding dries up, all the “climate scientists” and “environmentalists” will be out of a job. 2) Do nothing government scumbags want another source of taxes (carbon tax and other energy taxes). Ever wonder why C02 concentration in our atmosphere is so miniscule (less than ½ of one tenth of one percent!), when animals have been putting C02 into our atmosphere for millions of years? It is because plants are starved for C02. What do you do in a greenhouse to get the plants to grow good and healthy? You burn propane to enrich the C02 levels in the greenhouse. Increased C02 means greater crop yields.

How many people are made aware of the following facts: 1) The temperature records indicate that C02 concentrations are led by temperature, not the other way around, strongly suggesting that when the oceans warm, C02 is lost from the oceans, and when temperatures fall, they can absorb more C02. C02 is more soluble in cold water than hot water.

2) Calculating human caloric input into the atmosphere is approximately 10 times more significant in putting heat into the atmosphere than the heat absorption by C02, which is a trace gas. Consider that there are ~ 33 people per square mile on the earth, which gives us each the equivalent of an area that is less than 1000 feet x 1000 feet (~70% of which would be ocean)

3) Water vapor is more significant as a greenhouse gas than C02. The gas concentration in our atmosphere by gas is Nitrogen, Oxygen, H20, Argon and C02 – Argon and C02 are both trace gases with ~ 1% Argon and .048% C02.

Educate yourselves! Do not believe this crap. Read the climategate emails to get a sense of the political games that are being played. The damage to humans by the crap these people are trying to push is much worse than the possibility of the climate getting warmer (actually a big plus, not a minus).

Do the calculations for caloric warming based on the specific heat of air (~1000 joules/Kg = .24 btu(therm)/lb-degF), the air each of us has (1000 ft x 1000 ft <convert to square inches and multiply by the weight of the air above each inch { =atm pressure, 14.7 lb/sq in), and your own caloric input (food you eat + energy you use – gasoline is approx 114,000 btu per gal, on your energy bill, 1 therm is 100,000 btu.)

The climate has always been changing, civilizations have thrived and died off due to it – none because of their own doing. The earth is not stagnant and does not have a normal temperature. The sun does not have a “normal” or unchanging heat output, Our orbital relationship with the sun is constantly changing – always has and always will. This climate change crap is nothing but a way to take money out of one set of wallets and put it into another set of wallets – the purpose of every big media campaign.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

But we can all agree we should cut pollution right?

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

idiot

[+] -5 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Yes, we know DKA-anyone who posts facts here or disagrees with you is an idiot.

edited to add-

And lives in a "fantasy world" And is either a Koch or works for one. And is a religious fanatic. And loves to pollute, be irresponsible, and pee in shooz's stream.

Damn those nutjobs with their facts and differing opinions. There is no place for either of those things in OWS!!!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH - GO BACK - to your little fantasy world Vapid.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Of course Mr. Koch.

We tiny little people couldn't possibly have an effect on the big old planet. we're just itty bitty and ineffectual at affecting any environment at all.

It's only the higher power that can do that.

Yes of course Mr. Koch, by all means keep dumping your crap wherever you want. Why should you be responsible for what you do?

PS: Stop peeing in my stream.

[+] -10 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Global sea levels have risen 400 feet since the last ice age about 20,000 years ago. Global warming is normal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

[-] 5 points by tankcoil (37) 1 year ago

When your home is gone under water will you still call it "normal?" I suppose not. Why not turn around? Let us do something.

[+] -5 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The truth about climate change can't be understood by looking at only the last 100 years of climate history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

but we can all agree we should cut pollution no?

[-] 1 points by occupycampbellco (34) from Newport, KY 1 year ago

Um, no.

[+] -7 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Provide your evidence.

"UM no" doesn't refute it.

[-] 4 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Your not listening it seems. A pity because every one can help get the message through. CO2 is near 400ppm. 350 ppm is an enormous risk but we now have little hope of avoiding runaway change.

The 1% still promoting oil are enemies to the planet and future generations such as our kids today.

This is not a dress rehearsal but the final act. Do your bit to try and understand that for a start..

[+] -6 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Read the links I provided, then get back to me.

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

The work of Milankovitch is well known and aspects of the change of tilt angle and its apparent effects are taken into account with current scientific thinking on the change of climate and its linked observable data.

While the graph of climate changes and sea level rise over the last 20,000 years shows a slowing of sea level rise in recent times if the curve is followed, the actual data shows the very recent trend is now reversed and sea level rise appears to be increasing not following the longer term trend mentioned.

[+] -4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Show me the graph or data that you base that on.

[-] 5 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

There are numerous sources of that information and it probably is more useful if you can find the various graphs showing long term and short term trends over say the last 50,000 years to suit the aspect that answers your building up of the picture best.

Here is a simple start but don't be content with that link alone. There are much more authoritative scientific sites but much the same pattern is shown. You may notice the poster talks of scientists proving a point. This reveals a misunderstanding common to lay thinking for in science nothing is ever proven. Scientist set out to find evidence towards challenging or "disproving' a point or theory so any new information gained will lead onto a better understanding which will mean a new theory. This is the basis of scientific method.

http://www.johnenglander.net/sea-level-rise-for-centuries

[+] -4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

"While the graph of climate changes and sea level rise over the last 20,000 years shows a slowing of sea level rise in recent times if the curve is followed, the actual data shows the very recent trend is now reversed and sea level rise appears to be increasing not following the longer term trend mentioned."

The link does not support this statement.

[-] 3 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

Perhaps you need to read again.

A recent news release - non scientific reporting but essentially summative.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34238.htm

[+] -4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Again, no facts supporting your claim,

"the actual data shows the very recent trend is now reversed and sea level rise appears to be increasing"

in either link. What you need to provide is evidence that completely separates the contributions of anthropogenic and natural sources of global warming and cooling, and that shows the anthropogenic portion is great enough to be responsible for the increase in sea level rise over the past 100 years.

[-] 1 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

What are you looking for.

Basically the simplicity of man releasing CO2 into the atmosphere through burning fossil fuel is coincident with CO2 increase in the atmosphere.

The increase is measurable and significant.

[-] -2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

You must separate the solar heating and all other natural contributions from the man made ones.

If you have a solar oven with a tiny gas burner inside, you can't assume the oven is getting hotter just because the gas burner is turned on.

What proportion of global warming is natural and what is caused by man?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

$1/2T subs to fossil fuel?!!!

Lets transfer that to renewable energy and we will be fine.

http://www.nationofchange.org/stop-paying-polluters-1365254746

Please join with Occupy and the vast majority of the people to support greentech conversion.