Forum Post: Tea Party + Occupy Wall Street = Unstoppable force :)
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 6:33 p.m. EST by teaoccupyunited
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Here is a start: http://www.teaoccupyunited.com now a mission statement now posted:
http://teaoccupyunited.com/75609541
If you agree spread the word: http://twitition.com/gmn7t/
Twitter Account added : http://twitter.com/#!/TeaOccupyunited
I do believe the only way we can make OWS a success is to bring in another unstoppable force the Tea Party. As much as you might hate the Tea Party this could be the final nail in the coffin that we need!
Yes, Tea Party & OWS have disagreements but we all have one purpose I do believe and I plan on laying them out so we can unite as a front (check back to this thread as it will updated a bit).
Feel free to help me layout the ground work of ideas that cross over between the two groups in a reply below:
or email me: teaoccupy@gmail.com <-- thanks for all the emails so far! also the people who PM'd me I can't find where the forum keeps all the messages :/
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816
Finally -- a voice of reason.
thanks! :-) I hope!
Vox populi, vox dei!
OWS should be the voice of the people telling the US government they are not happy with the self-serving partisan politics, the deflationary economy and the unemployment. The system is broken, fix it!
OWS should not be hijacked by any single political party.
I also have reservations of Tea Party's fundamentalist interpretation of the constitution. It reminds me of Islamic fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism.
Achana - points taken! :-)
lol, go for it, you, they are the 99% aswell.
lol thanks! :-) I know some who are ready to jump in!
I agree.
I'm with you. we are all brothers/sisters in this fight.
We should be able to Unite not divide!
Thanks! :-)
Put an end to the infinite growth paradigm!!!!
I think we should stay away from talking about specific policies (because in many ways the Tea Party are 1%er friendly) and start tackling the stuff that we all agree on like taking the big corps out of our government.
No more kickbacks, revolving door, wasteful subsidies, bailouts, etc. No more tax loopholes and tax havens for those corps. No more "free" trade that displaces America in favor of China, Vietnam, Mexico, Taiwan, etc. And if you're FOR trade - make it fairer and stop trading with cheaters. That kind of stuff.
Lork - I agree they could be 1 percent friendly but I do think we can pull pieces that both sides have to find some common ground don't you think? I'm not saying people have to switch sides etc,. etc,. but don't you think someone from the Tea Party siding with OWS and vice versa goes A VERY LONG way to claim the 99 percentile!
We should just focus on getting corruption and corporate bribes out of Washington and then keep an eye it to keep it from sneaking back in.
Then we can go back to debating what is right or wrong, and which direction we want the country to go in by supporting candidates and representatives to achieve our aims through voting as was intended.
Daffyyff - This is EXACTLY what I think and I believe BOTH groups hold this to be true. Going to build a site around this theme that you mentioned and see if we can't bring both groups together in some fashion.
link me when you do.
http://teaoccupyunited.com its a start!
Shall do :-)
The Obama issue IS big with tea party folks. I am a life-long hardcore democrat, and I was very excited when Obama was elected. But Really, do you think he is trying to do the will of the people? I think he is bought and paid for by the corporations. Or at the very least going along with what they want. Look at his cabinet picks.....all big corporation people. In my opinion, that will be the biggest single issue preventing us from speaking out together with the Tea Party.
And for Christ's sake, PLEASE stop posting all those silly youtube links!!! I KNOW about the money behind the TPers. I also know the TPers are just Americans like me, and want top see their country do well. Look, we piss and moan about Congress unable to get along, and we do the same shit. Come on people, let's grow up.....or, at least ACT like grownups who allow someone to have different views without being threatened,
Look, the TPers are going to want some things that I want no part of. I don't really care. That's their business. Why shouldn't we speak together where our interests align? If we take back the country, all those other issues can be decided on a democratic basis. Unlike now.
Is this some kind of suggestion that OWS co-opt the Tea Party?
Hi MossyOakMudslinger no this is about Co-opt our Freedom and rights back to us the PEOPLE. Keep both sides out of this and bring in the 99 percent of people! you can read our mission statement here:
http://teaoccupyunited.com/pages/teaoccupyunited-mission-statement
Facebook page?!?! I already have a small group of liberals (like me) who want to work together w/the TP. This thing could take right off........
I don't have one yet! just a twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/TeaOccupyunited but yes F.B is a good idea! I'll see what I can do about that ...
I think you are on to something. I have started a dialog with some Tea Party folks. Seems like they feel government is too powerful, and we think that corporations are too powerful. Of course, it's the collusion between the two that is the problem. If we seize the common ground, and streamline the message of both groups (not excluding anyone), we could also be seizing a historical opportunity. See also my post about streamlining: http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/whats-the-message/#comment-104636
Thanks Stevonbi I think ready my reply below ;-)
I have started a dialog with Tea Party folks, looking for common ground. I think there's more than we suspect. The way I see it, we feel corporations have too much power, they feel that the government has too much power. The truth is that government and corporations are in collusion. Why not get all the support we can....wouldn't this greatly accelerate and otherwise help the process? I think we need to streamline the message; get it more pointed, and inclusive. Here is a link to my comment about streamlining: http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/whats-the-message/#comment-104636
I couldn't agree more with what you said in your post. We need to take the money out of this whole process and start from scratch. I do think the govt and corporations are in collusion to. It is a vicious cycle they both play out.
I'm looking over what you wrote in your statement and might apply some of thinking to the message I'm doing with http://teaoccupyunited.com
I'll keep you posted! :-)
I have already told the Tea Party folks that they could show up now and be welcome. If not everybody would agree with their message, well WE don't agree with EACH OTHER!!! :) I'm gonna start going on some TP sites (actually, I already have) and finding where I can agree with them. I was surprised how many left-leaning people were "trolling" there!! Their comments were pretty nasty and condescending. This should stop. From them, and from us.
Actually, I would be interested in what sites you are going to and contacting them myself! Need to bring them in the loop with:
email me the sites: teaoccupy@gmail.com Thanks!
http://teaoccupyunited.com
Excellent!! I'm very excited. Keep it simple, attract many more people. Exclude NO ONE.
I say we let them in if they check Fox News, Beck, Alex Jones, Palin, Ron Paul and Rush Limba at the door. As a concession we should give up an equal volume of Left wing spinsters. Once Stop the media from diving us we can focus on our common interest of ending corruption and corporate welfare.
hmmmm you might be on to something. Sort of like when the celebrities stopped twittering for cancer instead this would be media blackout: check yourself at the door sort of campaign. I like it. If we get the media out and us in its a win win!
Time to get money out of politics on both sides of the aisle and fix our corrupt and bought out trade, tax and banking system.
http://www.getmoneyout.com/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/09/dylan-ratigan-mad-as-hell-his-epic-network-moment/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/03/job-wanted-jobs-ending-rigged-trade/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/04/jobs-wanted-ending-rigged-tax-code-jobs/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/05/jobs-wanted-ending-rigged-banking-jobs/
I do like getmoneyout.com its a main pillar that both sides do agree on.
a friendly bump :-)
Site is now open: http://teaoccupyunited.com
1) The tea party is a bunch of ignorant racists angry that Obama won the election, whose anger was leveraged by Republican strategists to rebrand their awful party
2) OWS is nothing of the sort.
Go home, teabagger.
HPolloi - I'm not a teabagger ? OWS & Tea Party do have somethings in common and both have been hijacked. Why all the hate?
Triangles and carrots have things in common. Big deal. Go home.
Here are the teabaggers in action: http://media.photobucket.com/image/teabaggers%20racist/rasmekpeace/ImpeachTheKenyan.jpg
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/political-pictures-teabagger-battle-wits.jpg
Good luck you aren't going to win anyone over thinking like that OWS cause is totally lost if you don't.
What? This is just incoherent. Go home, Troll.
Your the one trolling on my thread gtfo!
Since when is posting links to photos of teabaggers being violent and racist trolling? And you haven't addressed any of the points in my first post. Stop trollin', go home.
Both sides have done things wrong right now on livestream I see bad stuff going on with OWS youth at this very moment. You called me a troll you idiot. I'm the OP your a guest on my thread now get, move along troll.
NOTE: The infiltrated US government saw that schools and universities did not teach about Article V of the constitution so Americans would be disabled from unifyin around it to stop the infiltration. If you cannot understand this post, that is why.
I've discussed the integration of the tea party in posts here. Integrating is good strategy for 2 reasons. When the bizarro tea party is understood, the 2nd reason can be engaged which is not mentioned here. Here is some specific strategy that includes dealing with the tea party.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thomas-jefferson-is-on-our-side/ TIOUAISE, You must have intended to refer to Article V when using a quote with the word "institutionalized". "Occasional conventions were envisioned by many of the country’s founding generation of leaders to be a sort of institutionalized avenue toward THE IDEAL OF REVOLUTION EVERY TWENTY YEARS, often attributed to Thomas Jefferson. According to Samuel Williams of Vermont (1743-1817), it was to be the means to accomplish periodic constitutional adaptation to changing times.”END-------- WHAT IF; there was a doctrine of natural law, chopped up and partially included in the Declaration, then later, more cut out and placed in the Bill of rights, and this was self evident when the missing parts are recombined with what is carried by our social contract? There is still 70% more still unknown that has exactly that status. What it means is that free speech is not enough to assure that communication are adequate to see that vital speech for survival is shared and understood. The doctrine logically provides fixed criteria which engages public support for speech that reasonably qualifies with priority recognized by moderate numbers of citizens signing petitions. The corporate media will never expose secrets faithfully, but it can deal somewhat IF the public already knows. That is what I'd propose for revision of the first amendment at Article V because the misleading of the people by media is a tragic thing. That is logically followed by election reform. Info then decision.
Well, actually, technically, legally, congress is in violation of the constitution for not convening delgates long ago. Another wiki piece that is verified. WIKI- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution"Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."-- Legally, based in that, American citizens have had their first right violated for a long time. Here a law suit uncovered some facts about congress and Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html Good links, resources there.------
Also, congresses interpretations of Article V lack the constitutionality that is in the intent of the constitution when the 9th amendment and 14th amendment are considered, so all of their decisions based in the erroneous, unconstitutional interpretations are questionable. I'm quite certain that IF OWS focused on Article V, and called for the tea party to "Join in defense of the Constitution by use of the Constitution", the level of embarassment known by tea partiers in NOT using the constitution would have them either converting the tea party or parting ways.-- ON EDIT: TIOUAISE wrote: "THE PRESENT SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IS ILLEGAL and therefore MUST be challenged by all patriotic and law-abiding Americans,"END- Yes, and after many years of knowing that the failure of Americans to drive congress to convene, after the civil war, and formally end it, I found the "Lieber code" and that it was used by congress to allow the defacto military government to continue without being made consttitutional, explaining, for example, the gold fringed flag is allowed in the courts. The "Lieber code" was the rules of engagement for the civil war and is still in effect. This page has much of that consolidated. See the .pdf download for the bits about the Lieber code and what led to unconstitutional government.------ http://algoxy.com/poly/emergency_powers_statutes.html
The Tea Party was corrupted by Sarah Palin and the GOP.
No doubt it was. This isn't what this is about. This is about bringing in all of the 99 percent to move forward.
So it's more of a Tea Party defection to Occupy? That sounds cool.
Not sure if you call it a defection more like support. I take it being sarcastic right ? ;-)
Not really. Just trying to understand.
No problem :-) tough to tell these days haha ... more will be posted on what TeaOccupyUnited goal is on the website http://teaoccupyunited.com shortly.
I have to agree with the poster.
And yes the tea party was taken over by the Koch's. But that's beside the point now.
What's important is things need to change. And 99% want that.
I think what's missing so far in the 'conversation' is a set of principles to guide what comes next. Founding principles like the US constitution express many fantastic principle but that document has been over run by amendments, abuse and outright ignored. Something new needs to be created that can be re-owned by the people.
I'd like to add three ideas that might help this help guide this: Freedom(individual and collective). Diversity. Sustainability.
These are qualities that are harmonious with nature. They are three qualities that are fundamental for nature to function.
Sustainability needs diversity to make it robust and adaptable to outside and changing forces. Diversity needs freedom to be able to adapt, make choices and grow and diversity will only tolerate that what can be sustained. For freedom to flourish it needs both diversity, if there are no options of choices there is no diversity, and sustainability; you can't really be free if it only lasts a week.
I think these qualities lend itself to integrity.
There may be more qualities that I've not included. Truth also comes to mind, but Truth means different things to different people. And I think Truth is contained within the three qualities.
But at least from these three, a sense of order emerges that can be applied to different areas of law.
Thanks to everyone who is here and part of this beautiful movement.
Peace.
Nolimits- Thanks for the well thought out post. I couldn't agree more that we all carry qualities that cross any party affiliation. Freedom ( individual, collective) Diversity, Sustainability are all human nature. I would like to add this to TeaOccupyUnited charter with your permission? :-)
Absolutely : )
Good luck!
Thanks! Already started adding shall post soon! :-)
Always remember: The Tea Party (Tea-Baggers) are NOT a real movement. They are funded, either knowingly or unknowingly by a few members of the 1%. They were central in the health care debate in trying to crush single payer health care. teaoccupyunited does not speak for the tea-baggers so what he says should be disregarded. So what are we going to do next?
To bad there are plenty of people who are Tea Party members who agreed with OWS. Your going to have to include them at some point to claim the 99 percent.
Let's keep ALL political parties out of the OWS movement. If we advocate ethical behaviour and proper regulation of business, then we can individually choose candidates for election who begin to follow OUR lead---and who also represent other things about which many of us may hold differing opinions. We cannot begin to solve all political problems via the OWS movement. If those parties who support the tea party movements want to support OWS on their own sites, that's great, but it should not be vice versa!
Perfect!
Thanks Steve15! :-)
Leave the Tea Party crap out of this movement...you had your chance..and fucked everything up....you will not hijack Occupy like Koch and Rove and Palin hijacked the tea baggers.
The Tea Party is against big government, but government isn't in control. Big corporation is in control. It's the rich who fund our politician's campaigns. I agree about driving lobbyists out. Get greed out of the government that's suppose to be for the people. How are we suppose to stop lobbying without government regulations? Without government all the benefits like social security and ect. that we count on wouldn't exist. We need government regulations to control big corporation. We need government regulations on oil companies to stop things like the gulf oil spill from happening. We don't need an end to government we need a CHANGE to government. We need governemnt to be what it was always suppose to be: for the people (the 99%), NOT for the rich. I also disagree with the Tea Party's anti-taxation spiel. Tax the rich because they CAN afford it!
EmmyRose- I couldn't agree more. I just haven't updated everything just yet but big corporation is in control to some extent. In a lot of ways its like a food chain Gov't needs Corporations and vise versa. I'll attempt to lay it all out above ^^ in some cohesive manner in the next couple of hours. Thanks for your participation!
You're absolutely right! If you think about it, the TP and OWS have more in common than we realize. I have several close friends who are teabaggers. The USA allied with the USSR in WWII. Both the TP and OWS agree that both political parties are bought and sold by special interests. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Get that site rolling!
I think people will be a little bit surprised just how aligned these two groups are when it is all said and done.
TeaOccupy makes sense. Since there appears to be some common ground between the Tea Party and the 99%, why not use that energy to each others advantage? Don't let the Democratic and Republican parties pit the two upstart movements against each other like they are trying to do. Instead, drive a wedge between the two established political parties and marginalize them. Then replace both of them with a more enlightened governmental structure that respects and serves Main Street America.
I'm sorry, that will never happen. Yes, you could have some younger TPs join OWS -- but you should understand... The T-Party is just a hyped up extension of the Republican Party. They could give a rat's runt about money in Politics causing our Reps to work for the rich and Corporations. They love that! That's free speech to the TPs. Money equals power.
Let's put it this way then. What if you could get exactly what the OWS demands in some form or fashion you would find the least past of resistance to doing this am I correct?
You do not want the TP joining. Original TP members yes. But not the current TP. Because then you will associated with the GOP arm of politics.
What you want to do is recruit right wing people/TP members. You get the members without the BS that co-opted them.
Anotherone- The way to think of this is a "solidarity group" within both groups not one representing the other groups or an extension. Try to think about it like you are starting from scratch. Who would you want in such a movement that can move the conversation forward ?
Your not getting it - What you know as the TP is a political tool for a sub group of the GOP. The TP was co-opted early in their movement. Their original message was lost and the GOP took the party over.
We dont need all that here. I am all up for TP members joining but as soon as you announce you are working in cooperation with the TP , your member base is going to go into freefall. Not even the original TP members want to be associated with that party.
What we need to be doing is recruiting people. Right leaning preferably. But stay away from the TP as far as how the MSM knows it.
While we're at it, we should team up with the "Save the McRib" campaign...
Hmmm sounds like an interesting campaign ? :-) link ?
I don't think the Tea Partiers on here realize but their vision of a limited government leads to the bought govt that OWS hates. When you undercut the resources of government and the quality of our governmental institutions, it is easy for corporate actors to prey on the government. Severely limited government is not a stable solution...it inevitably leads to corporate interests seeping through
As I understand it, the Tea Party wants limited government because we are in debt up to our eyeballs as a nation. The trajectory of spending is unsustainable and has to be reined in. No one is disputing that inconvenient fact.
There are ways to make medicare and medicaid more efficient (empower administrators to better distinguish between useful and useless care). If the Tea Party was for fiscal conservatism, they'd realize that it's more important at the moment to focus on returning to potential gdp growth. Otherwise, our fiscal situation is hopeless
Negotiate medication prices - that's a free market solution that would reduce medicare costs. Every other industrial country uses their power as consumers to reduce drug costs. We can't by law - but that could be changed.
Perhaps we should keep offering solutions like that to the Tea Party folks and see if we could actually work together on a few constructive proposals.
Sub catergorize #1 with a)drive Lobbyists out with fire and b)regulate campaign funding.
get your points made in this poll
on my blog
http://blog.richardkentgates.com/
or just the form
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dFlNNHJTRlZwMWs5ZjlhTWN0NlZReHc6MQ#gid=0
RichardGates: I'll read it over and get some points from it and credit it to you. Thank you for this information this will be very helpfull! :-)
Good for you, OP, for realizing that united we stand and take back our country. Screw the trolls who are here to divide us. Division only keeps the status quo going, which is what the elite want. We fight amongst ourselves while they consolidate power.
Thank you! I'm trying to step outside the box and not troll bait but really think about how we can solve these issues as they are real and get beyond the contempt for our fellow citizens. We are ALL Americans and we should be treating each other as such!
The first people to protest the corruption in govt with the TARP bailout were the tea parties. THAT is a critical issue that the OWS and tea party people have in common.
Tea Party is an amazing movement they are organized, have a message they don't stray from and KNOW how to get it out there. They were on the forefront couldn't agree more.
Well, they aren't as cohesive as the media portrays them. There are tea party people who DETEST the hijacking element who are just neocons and mainstream GOP. The original tea party groups were about ending the wars, ending foreign intervention, closing all US bases in foreign countries, and ending the Fed. The hijackers don't care about any of those issues. They are called the "teocons", lol, and they won't be attracted to OWS, but the real, grassroots tea party are.
You are talking about the original Tea Party before it was hijacked by the far -right ? correct?
Yes. All of those people are still around and they were the first to speak out against the TARP bailout.
You are absolutely right about this good point!
As long as there is a uniform goal, no binding party alignment and no focus is lost from the main cause (by wandering off into a minutia of domestic social policy), I could get behind that.
This will be the "charter" of the movement that everyone agrees to. Take the party alignment out, keep focus on the main cause and have pure dialogue around what should be really done instead of this infighting and not so clear message. Glad you could get behind it because I'm setting it up! email if you can help in anyway: teaoccupy@gmail.com
lol just emailed said failed to deliver
Ooops! lol try again: teaoccupy@gmail.com corrected it up there ^^ thanks for letting me know! :-)
The Tea Party is an Astroturf movement(i.e. not a true grass roots movement). The Tea Party members feels frustrated as well, but the Tea Party has a false sense of consciousness. The Tea party from its inception had Fox News, people like Dick Armery and funding from people like the Koch brothers. The Tea Party is a reactionary movement that wants to repeal the 20th Century and return to an idyllic past America that really never existed. The Tea party believes we must all follow the Golden Rule and white men with gold will make all the rules.
No, you're wrong. You don't know where the tea party started and what the goals were (end the wars, close foreign bases, stop interventionist foreign policy, and end the Fed). You're looking at the ones who jumped on the bandwagon and started the groups like Tea Party Express, Inc. They had nothing to do with the genesis.
The Tea Party is an Astroturf movement(i.e. not a true grass roots movement). The Tea Party members feels frustrated as well, but the Tea Party has a false sense of consciousness. The Tea party from its inception had Fox News, people like Dick Armery and funding from people like the Koch brothers. The Tea Party is a reactionary movement that wants to repeal the 20th Century and return to an idyllic past America that really never existed. The Tea party believes we must all follow the Golden Rule and white men with gold will make all the rules.
Both sides have people funding them that doesn't mean people don't have real concerns or should be shut based on who is funding their movements.
Exactly, many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from the group in the 2nd link, and then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the strategy of the 1st link as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
The tea party is not a grass roots organization, it is purely astro turf.
Most or at least a very large percentage of their organizing funds came from the Koch Brothers.
Do you want gun toting tea party people with Nazi Signs attending your protest? They are all about eliminating any social service you can think of, are you kidding me? They are out of touch with reality!!
No, you're wrong. You don't know where the tea party started and what the goals were (end the wars, close foreign bases, stop interventionist foreign policy, and end the Fed). You're looking at the ones who jumped on the bandwagon and started the groups like Tea Party Express, Inc. They had nothing to do with the genesis.
can we occupy sarah palin?
we could? :-)
;) not bad
Why thank you! :-) I do feel we can find some common ground NOT in everything but the mix of older folks with the new generation is a win win!
If only the gentry and the dispossessed would just team up with their separate organizations, right?
On one hand, if they would stop calling us smelly and if they would stop naming themselves after a historical event that has no similarity whatsoever to themselves, I have to admit there is common ground.
On the other hand, neither will ever happen. I looked at you all in your demonstration photos, the tea party people are by and large the least rational most authoritarian people in our country. A suit would walk in and they'd throw the smelly under the bus the first chance they got.
Also, the funders of the republican party made so many organizations that claim to be the tea party: "A few weeks after the Lincoln Center gala, the advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation—an organization that David Koch started, in 2004—held a different kind of gathering. Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials “have a socialist vision for this country.”
Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz1an90J8bl
Realizing that Koch is very much a socialist, yet says things like 'The Left is Socialist' and that he "trains" people to say that they are a "grassroots" movement while the whole thing wouldn't exist at all with him and thte murdoch entertainment empire.
That they then rail against 'lobbyists and special interests' when they are being funded by the biggest one of them all.
You have to understand, if there were a real event similar to the Tea Party it would take place at or near any of the 800 U.S. Military bases in other countries. We have become the colonial power and we have presidents that are similar to kings in many ways.
If a bunch of Iraqis were to dump a truckload of coca cola into the Tigris and Euphrates dressed up like indians, now they could call themselves the new tea party.
The trouble with who we are protesting is that there is no single good that represents them, it's the numbers in the computers that are the problem so all we can do is get near them and point our fingers at where the computers reside. There's no way to throw those numbers in the river, at least that I can think of.
There's one movie that goes into that but you probably haven't seen it.
Nope, I don't want to ally with the "Tea Party", I want them first to realize they are part of us, that we are citizens just like them who deserve a heck of a lot more respect than this 'you're a bunch of hippy socialists!' crap.
At point your going to have to include the Tea Party ?
It depends on what the Tea Party's motivation is. I'm not interested in an Anti-Obama campaing for the same reasons they seem to be.
I know, I know but we should find a common ground I would think!