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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

HatefulObserverA or B?

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

No, no, no you don't! Your insinuation above is a disgrace. You are a hateful person.

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

Not at all, sweetheart. I've known you long enough and how you operate to understand your b.s. just fine, thank you very much. If you don't like responses like mine then don't post such crap.

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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

Everything. You are specious. You have always been specious.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Great use of the word specious. Thanks for standing your ground.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

Thanks. LOL. I stand the ground for all people everywhere.

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

the truth is the truth

[-] 0 points by Savimbi (-10) 1 year ago

The only ones I can think of are the oil sheiks of the Saudi Royal family....

Soon to be murdered in their beds by their own people, Allah willing.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

advocating murder does not belong here

[-] -1 points by Savimbi (-10) 1 year ago

You're making the rules ?... Maybe free speech doesn't belong here.

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

GAZA: part 1 of 2
In our recent elections, it would be very hard to come up with a more
significant reason for the republican losses than the fact that
the republicans told the truth about themselves.
Why can’t we also learn the truth from what the “Palestinian people”
say about the “Palestinian people” ?

From many sources, including Daniel Pipes & Wikipedia:
On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with
Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.


”The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a “Palestinian state” is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a “Palestinian people”, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a “Palestinian”, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.”


Truth does not change. Truth is truth.
If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.
And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.
You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making virtually the same statement: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.” The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism and bigotry and hate mongering.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception –
but is source from a PLO leader!

What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth –
that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.


Pretty clear, isn’t it? It is even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993.
It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.


On the same day Arafat ( who was born in CAIRO EGYPT ) signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, Arafat stated:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of “Palestine”, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”


No matter how many people delude themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as “Palestine” was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I.
The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. In recent decades, parts have been “occupied” by Egypt and Israel. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was telling the truth. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state to launch attacks at the only Jewish state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
……………………………………………. by Joseph Farah


Are you afraid to believe Farah & Muhsein & Arafat ?

WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES
Are there any historical errors in these clips ? IN THESE CLIPS


PALESTINIAN PEOPLE 3.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_818090&feature=iv&src_vid=HRA0NKQ0k6E&v=9jOW9EzMiWc


PALESTINE & THE QURAN 8.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg


JEWS & MUSLIMS & NAZIS [ ANTI-SEMITISM = ANTI-ISRAEL ] 5.59 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&NR=1&feature=endscreen


THE CARTOONS 4.20 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrq76I1M3CM&NR=1&feature=endscreen


CELEBRATING 9/11 6.02 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4&feature=endscreen&NR=1


A FEW OF THE CRIMES OF ISLAM – “THE RELIGION OF PEACE” ▬► we can’t stop this if we don’t acknowledge this & understand this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J_cqtdH26c&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2kFzGyKgpA&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQpj2bFM7s0&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgSH0h45Eo&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIbgd5qcrg&NR=1&feature=endscreen


THE HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE EAST IN 11 MINUTES 11.37▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY&feature=endscreen&NR=1


WHAT IS THE WEST BANK 6.17 ▬► http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6tDmLNPjU&feature=endscreen&NR=1


THE PASLESTINIAN CONFLICT 4.20 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TI5Mwyhzhg


THE BITTER TRUTH 8.34 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MjUcIQjb1U


BEAT WOMEN 2.15 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwATEWqslw&NR=1&feature=endscreen


ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE [ INTELLIGENCE SQUARED DEBATE ] at NYU: debate with two advocates on each side 1.46.36 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A


ISLAM: WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW 1.38.40 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI&feature=endscreen&NR=1


PAT CONDELL: ISLAMIC LAW & CRIME & RAPE & QURAN 6.11 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0&feature=endscreen&NR=1


PAT CONDELL: ANTI-SEMITISM & HATE CRIMES IN EUROPE 6.10 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIesXORjBps&feature=endscreen&NR=1


PAT CONDELL: “PALESTINIAN” HISTORY & HATRED & PEACE?!?! 5.15 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1N1zhUm84w&NR=1&feature=endscreen


CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS ON ISLAM 1.36.19 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-spKm13v6c

All Israelis are not good. All Israelis are not bad.
All Arabs are not good. All Arabs are not bad.
All Jews are not good. All Jews are not bad.
All Muslims are not good. All Muslims are not bad.

But, sadly, numbers are numbers
Since 1948, Israel has killed 35,000 Arabs/Muslims
Since 1948, Arabs/Muslims have killed 11,000,000 Arabs/Muslims

And of course one of the many recent victims - Malal -- the little girl in Pakistan that was shot in the head – by a Muslim terrorist in October – for telling the truth and seeking equality. I hope you'll all pray for her recovery. Al Quida and Taliban are now trying via the press to validate why she was singled out and shot

I do not hate Arabs or Palestinians – but we cannot hope to solve the middle east problem unless we understand what these people believe. And sadly, it will be as easy as ending the generations of anti-minority - homophobic - anti-woman beliefs so skillfully taught by parents and religions in the confederate states for generations.

This next video does not directly relate to Gaza – but you need to know -
it was made by an American Muslim – about jihad & sharia law Jihad: The history of violent radical Islam for 1400 years
This is not an Israel issue just since 1948 - or even an Arab issue
Mumbai - WTC - Sudan - England - Georgia - Beslan, Russia - Times Square - Shoe bomber - Lockerbee - Olympics
5000 Islamic honor killings per year + homosexuals murdered
American Wahabi Muslim school text books [ from Saudi Arabia] advocate murder


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrUpG_RlztE&feature=endscreen&NR=1


▬►Why didn’t the PLO / PA accept any of the MANY two state solutions proposed by Israel & America and backed by many Arab leaders in the last few decades?
▬►If the Arab nations were interested in peace or simply aiding their brethren ,
they would support the West Bank as part of Jordan AND Gaza as part of Egypt
( as it was occupied by Egypt 1948-1967 ).
▬►And they would be using their oil billions to send food to Gaza in stead of guns & rockets.
▬►If the Gazan militants were really fighting for the Gazan people,
they would not launch their rockets from civilian neighborhoods.
▬►Yes - Gaza is occupied - by Hamas and their terrorist militants


[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

GAZA: part 2 of 2
I would be interested to see any evidence of factual errors in these clips.
Clips about the poor conditions in Gaza or military actions by Israel do not disprove Arafat’s statements or thousands of attacks on Israeli civilians by bus bombs or rockets. There MUST be at least one or two errors in the hundreds of historical facts posted here. Can you find them?

Harry Truman immediately approved the state of Israel –
did he hate Arabs because so many Arabs fought against the Allies - for Hitler?
I do not know.
Jimmy Carter & Bill Clinton pushed the PLO and the PA to sign a deal –
did they hate Arabs?

I do not hate Arabs or Palestinians – but we cannot hope to solve the middle east problem unless we understand what these people believe.
I believe that paying a parent to send their child to their deaths to kill people
[ as in Mumbai ] is nothing less than inhuman.
Not the bomber,
not the parents,
but the paymaster & the Imam.
Maybe you disagree?


Have you read the Quran? I have read 20%-25% in at least three translations.
Do you believe in fatwahs? Does Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Salmon Rushdie or Malal hate Islam?
Have you ever heard radical Imams & Muslims spewing hate and violence –
IN ENGLISH?
Listen – if you dare - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRKaX0ORuI

IMAM CHOUDARY TELLS THE TRUTH – MUSLIM TERRORISM 4.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqPK5oYZBk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

FROM 60 MINUTES – GAZA MOVIE FRAUD 18.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfKAz8l37U&NR=1&feature=endscreen

SUBMISSION: THE MOVIE VAN GOUGH WAS _MURDERED FOR 10.31 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdvsFSYRgd4

CNN: GOD’S WARRIORS – THE MURDER OF THEO VAN GOUGH 5.10 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O28opIDKwYk

ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE? A BRAVE MUSLIM & BILL MAHR 7.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ZEo7voCEM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE “WEST BANK” IS? 6.17 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

THE SON OF HAMAS LEADER TELLS THE TRUTH 5.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbCGC6amdk&NR=1&feature=endscreen

ISRAEL IS AN “APARTHEID” STATE 7.24 ▬►
Most Arab states are not apartheid – they threw out the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eupkfyd1ulc&NR=1&feature=endscreen

ROCKETS 21.16 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nLrUg_bzs

ISRAEL GEOGRAPHY & HISTORY 6.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDPRtprKJQ&NR=1&feature=endscreen

PAT CONDELL: SHARIA LAW & ISLAM IN BRITAIN 5.01 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQVUiEjpw8&feature=endscreen&NR=1

PAT CONDELL: WHO HATES WHO? WHO MURDERS WHO? 6.05 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqSY285BqQg

The truth is the truth – not bigotry or hatred.
Some people do evil. For money. For power. For religion.

American soldiers gave smallpox infected blankets to native Americans.
Bush’s cronies approved torture. Southern traitors started a war against America & their descendents celebrate it!
BP killed oil rig workers.
Spanish catholics burned Spanish Jews.
The truth is the truth – not bigotry or hatred.
Some people do evil. For money. For power. For religion.


DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO LEARN THE TRUTH?
Pre 1948 - How did the nation of Israel get it's land?

"At the end of World War I, some of “Palestine's” land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80% of the resident Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins.
Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchases from large landowners." -- The Peel Commission (1937)

" Much of the Israeli land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased from Arabs. From mostly large estate holders, in 1944, Jews paid between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; rich black soil in Iowa in 1944 was selling for about $110 per acre
U.S. Dept. of Agriculture"

According to British government statistics,
prior to the establishment of the State of Israel,

8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews;
3.3% by Arabs who remained there;
16.5% by Arabs who left the country.
More than 70% of the land was owned by the British Government.
Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948.
The public lands included most of the Negev Desert --half of Palestine's post-1922 total area
--1948 Survey by British Mandate Government

Further UN estimates put the value of property loses of Jews kicked out of Arab countries after 1948 at 10 times the value of those lost by Arabs.
Most Jews in Israel are from Arab countries, not from Europe.
So the issue of the injustice done TO the Jews of Arab countries BY Arabs is relevant,
as are reparations. All the way up until 1970 Israel had a policy of repayment or replacement for anyone who could prove his claim. Around 10% of the refugees used this policy, while others refused .

From 1920 to 1948 Jewish organizations accepted partition plans that gave the Jewish state as little as 20% of the current state of Israel. The Arabs refused the deal or any compromise.
From the 1850's to 1948, 90% of the land Jews lived on was purchased at very high prices from Arabs. The rest was uninhabited land and passed from the British government to the Israeli government, under international law.

In 1948, any Arab that stayed in Israel became Israeli citizens with full rights to vote and form political parties. Most fled, anticipating that the Arab armies would quickly defeat Israel, and they could return home, without being thought of as traitors. Now whose fault is it for deserting__?

In 1948 at the creation of the State of Israel, Jews who lived in all of the Arab countries were forced out or harassed. The land lost by Jews who fled was estimated by the UN to be worth ten times that of any property lost by Arabs who fled Israel in 1948. When will the Jews be reimbursed?
In 1948 Jordan expanded its borders and stole the West Bank from what was part of Israel before the 1948 war, a piece that was NEVER inside the Jordan borders. In 1967, Israel took it back as a buffer from the combined half a dozen Arab armies that were poised to attack the lone Jewish state. It was expected that Arab states would make peace and Israel would return the land within a few months. The Arab states refused to negotiate with Israel. ……………………………………1994 by David Carasso.


MY SOLUTION:
Each of the Arab oil giants will deliver a half million dollars
worth of food to Israel every day for a year for Israel to deliver to Gaza.
AND ISRAEL WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE
a half million dollars worth of food every day to give to Gaza.


Let Hamas and Abbas follow Arafat and to try to turn that down! Despite numerous appeals by Israel to negotiate, Abbas refuses.
Here are a few Abbas quotes:

"A Jewish state, what is that supposed to mean? You can call yourselves as you like, but I don't accept it and I say so publicly."(27 April 2009)
"We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it." (25 December 2010)
"It - the Arab rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan to divide Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state - was our mistake. It was an Arab mistake as a whole."


How would you deal with a geo-political adversary who worships a book:
Quran: 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out,
for persecution is worse than slaughter…..Such is the reward of disbelievers. And yes, Jews have the Bible & Christians have the New Testament, but they don’t kill people who burn their books - or draw anti-religious pictures. We cannot ignore these truths.


AGAIN – I ask for the truth
When the catholic church could not confront Galileo with the truth about his ideas, they promulgated their ignorance and their own lies, and condemned Galileo himself.
When the romans could not directly deal with the peaceful truths of Christianity, they used lions to solve their ignorance.
When the confederates could not accept the truth of equality all humans, they attacked America.
When the “confederates” were afraid of the truths and honor of MLK, they murdered him.
When the Massachusetts protestants were ignorantly afraid of the witches, they burned them.

If you are too afraid to find the truth or
you are too ignorant to understand the truth or
you are too lazy to look for the truth –
then attack me or use a fatwah or
change the subject or redefine “occupied” or “illegal” or
complain about Israel [ who I never said was faultless ].

If you are an honest advocate for ideas contrary to what is in one of the videos, post the name of the video & the specific lie or error and the evidence to prove the truth.

I will delete that video from my post.

I do believe the accuracy of the hundreds of facts in these videos.
But I may be wrong.
I do not believe in hiding unpleasant truths. I believe in learning. Do you?
Not persistently confronting the southern states with the truth - from 1776 to 1861 – cost America the Civil War.
I would welcome any facts that specifically prove anything in these videos false.
Attacks on Israel have been going on for 3000 years – don’t waste your time.
Don’t curse the darkness – with obfuscation & lies.
Light a candle for truth.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Head shill and spammer in chief has finally found the natural home for his obsessive, hysterical, utterly specious and totally biased, anti-Palestinian propaganda ! Very well done and congratulations to you, bensdad !! Keep up the good work for whoever it is you work for !!!

ab absurdum(b) ...

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Ignorane? stupidity? fear?
In stead of attacking me, why not prove any of the facts in any one of the videos is false


Are you even afraid of this????
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE
[ INTELLIGENCE SQUARED DEBATE ] at NYU:
debate with two advocates on each side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

This B.S. post has been deleted - yet you wish to persist with your manic bigotry and propaganda, which wishes to defame 1.5 billion people and deny the very existence of Palestinians. You are pathetic, hysterical, incorrigible and desperate.You need to get a grip and read : http://mondoweiss.net/2012/12/its-time-for-the-media-to-talk-about-zionism.html .

temet nosce ...

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[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

Dissembler.

[-] -1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

don't hold your breath.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Of course there is. They are like everyone else who simply want to live a decent and safe life and raise a nice family.

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