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Forum Post: "Occupy the Truth : Challenging the Media's Premature Post-Mortem on Occupy", by Truth-Out.org.

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 23, 2012, 2:46 p.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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"Occupy the Truth : Challenging the Media's Premature Post-Mortem on Occupy",

by Michael I. Niman

Wearing an Occupy t-shirt in the summer of 2012 seemed old school - like wearing a Grateful Dead tie-dye. Occupy is so 51 weeks ago.

But where did that meme come from? Occupy hadn't yet hit its first birthday before we were asked to believe that the most transformational American progressive political movement of the 21st century had died of old age.

This past Monday, the Occupy movement celebrated its first birthday. What began with a fringe band of demonstrators in lower Manhattan quickly spread its glowing embers across the planet, forcing a global conversation about social inequality. Now, just one year later, the corporate media has banded together to declare the whole movement over, down the memory hole.

The media always held the Occupy movement to high standards, demanding nothing short of revolution, then calling the movement a failure when it failed to transform society in its first few months. But the pundits could only envision their own notion of revolution—replacing one set of leaders with another, all within the confines of our two-party system. Occupy, however, never aspired to being an electoral party or player, like the Tea Party, which, once organized, was co-opted by corporate interests in a matter of minutes. Occupy instead wanted to transform the debate—to shift the zeitgeist. To a punditocracy reduced to quantifying electoral battles as horse races, reporting on electoral tactics rather than substance, Occupy made no sense.

Months went by and the Occupy movement didn't yield its diverse voices to leaders, didn't endorse liberal Democrats who would use them and sell them out, didn't elect anyone to office. Measuring the only pulse the pundits knew how to take, they declared the movement dead. Yet almost everyone in public life today, a mere year later, speaks of the 99 percent, tries to speak to the 99 percent, or feebly feigns to be one of the 99 percent, as Ann Romney did when suggesting that her husband Willard formed Bain Capital while sitting with a bunch of buddies around their kitchen table, which I suppose we are to believe was a door propped up on milk crates. (The buddies, it turns out, were Salvadoran oligarchs tied to that nation's death squads.)

Thanks to the Occupy movement, the American mainstream is doing something it hasn't done in decades—discussing the taboo topic of social class in America. Yes, there is a class war. It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in three decades of spiraling economic inequality and a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth. The Occupy movement mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99 percent. That's revolutionary—at least for a one-year-old. By contrast, it took the women's suffrage movement 72 years—from its first convention in Seneca Falls, until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920—to secure women the right to vote, and we're still waiting for our first woman president. I'm sure pundits ridiculed that movement and declared it dead at many junctures during its persistent struggle.

The clearest example of this hopeful but premature obituary for the Occupy movement comes from the Associated Press, the cooperative of corporate news organizations whose canned articles appear verbatim in hundreds of major newspapers around the world. The AP's piece, published on the first anniversary of the first Occupy demonstration on Wall Street, reads as if it was authored by someone who had never encountered the movement. It's headline,"1 year after encampment began, Occupy in disarray," misses the point. Occupy was always in disarray, which generally is defined as "lacking order or sequence." That is Occupy's tactic. It's what makes Occupy powerful and inclusive. When your movement represents 99 percent of the population, it will never be of one mind, nor will it be neat or orderly. Democracy was never meant to be orderly. Hence, Occupy crowd-sourced and condensed a broad set of goals and values, but few specific demands.

The author of the AP piece, Meghan Barr, writes that Occupy Wall Street meetings broke down because "Nobody could agree on anything and nobody was in charge." She's accurate in that nobody was in charge, and consensus, given the large size of the assemblies, was often elusive. But she's ignorant of the Occupy movement's goals and values if she truly believes this is why the movement, as she argues, "disintegrated." To the contrary, it's because of this intellectual inclusiveness that the movement grew so fast. Everyone was welcome at the table, but not everyone would agree with everyone else about all issues.

But where there is agreement, there's incredible power. We see this power in the fact that issues of social inequality, discussion of the one percent versus the 99 percent, are now everywhere. In contrast, Barr writes that "the movement is now a shadow of its mighty infancy, when a group of young people harnessed the power of a disillusioned nation and took to the streets chanting about corporate greed and inequality." Today we don't have to chant in the streets because Occupy hijacked the conversation. Today, even Republican candidates often couch their lies in the lingo of the movement.

The media liked the Occupy movement when it maintained camps, providing visual spectacle available anytime during slow moments in a 24-hour news cycle. The camps got the movement off the ground and gave it the media presence needed to launch its memes and spread globally. The post-camp Occupy movement is proving a bit too cerebral for a media machine that prefers shiny objects and flashing lights to substance. The subsequent phase of the Occupy movement has so far included teach-ins at libraries and universities, saving homes from foreclosure, helping workers successfully unionize, lobbying governments to divest fom criminal banks, creating homeless shelters, and evicting predatory lenders from college campuses. An Occupy group in California created a community farm. In New York, Occupy groups played a large role in pressuring the governor to extend the "millionaire's tax." Occupy groups pressured corporations to stop funding the American Legislative Exchange Council, which authored reactionary legislation sponsored by pro-corporate politicians in statehouses around the country.

These are all measurable activities or victories organized or won by disparate local Occupy groups. Occupy activists are now organizing student debt actions and voter registration drives. There are countless stories—and all of this, along with the entire camp phase of the movement, has transpired in just one year. During this time, a large plurality of Americans started to list the disparity between the rich and the poor as one of the nation's most pressing issues.

This is a fantastic track record for a one-year-old movement. And it is very threatening to the entrenched corporate interests who want us to believe that this movement is over - or better yet, that it never happened.

~

per aspera ad astra ...

~

Dr. Michael I. Niman is a professor of journalism and media studies at Buffalo State College. His previous columns are at artvoice.com, archived at www.mediastudy.com, and available globally through syndication.

[Article copied verbatim under "Fair Use" from : http://truth-out.org/news/item/11714-occupy-the-truth-challenging-the-medias-premature-post-mortem-on-occupy ]

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[-] 3 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

Great and inspiring post/article shadz. Thx for providing it.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

You're more than welcome 'Ud' and further :

From the second article : "Few people question current arrangements for money issue, but allowing privately owned banks to create money is like putting a three year old in charge of a sweet shop."

ad iudicum ...

[-] 3 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

History is far more deeply represented from about 1500 back. And what is missing is what causes all of the other events that are misrepresented later a d prevent apprehension of what new events might be created that are against the species interest.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Re. ''what is missing is what causes all of the other events that are misrepresented later'', thanx for your interesting comment and thus please see the rather excellent documentary film, ''The Four Horsemen'' :

To be honest, whether or not you think those solutions are viable may not be the most important thing to ponder here. It’s more about the awareness that solutions are at hand and I very much appreciated the optimistic undertone of this excellent film which I am recommending to you and all.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 3 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Most proposed solution is viable. Implimentation is always deficient, which is why we are stuck in thi advanced predicament of unlawful goverment pretending it's ok. And, a certain amount of the population is fearfully going along with it.

I've sent myself a link to your post so I can view the doc later. No bandwidth now.

We are coming to a time where free speech will be unabridged, if we are to survive and be free to evolve, adapt. In that time all true solution will have a place to be heard. The priorities of problems determine what solution we reach for first .

When free speech is returned that will begin and the sincere promoting will have a massive front of reasoning citizens to work with,

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Adam Smith said “There is a lot of ruin in a nation”. His point was that it takes a long time for nations to fall, even when they’re dead on their feet. And he was certainly right. America took its fatal blow in 1913, one hundred years ago ; it just hasn’t hit the ground yet. This is a slow process, but it’s actually fast compared to the Romans. It took them several centuries to collapse. Excerpted from :

This article deftly discusses the ratification of 16th and 17th Amendments to The US Constitution and references the signing of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. It is a good read and I recommend it to you. Hope you could get round to watching ''Four Horsemen'' btw and if you liked it, don't hesitate to share it.

Solidarity 'fof' and also fyi : http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/12/americas-descent-into-madness/ .

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Thanks for that link on 1913, I knew it was bad, but not that bad.

America is not dead, just unconscious.

If we create the "principal party" and stand for alter or abolish, we'll be ok. Other wise, no.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''The role of the PR industry in elections is explicitly to undermine the school-child version of democracy. What you learn in school is that democracies are based on informed voters making rational decisions. All you have to do is take a look at an electoral campaign run by the PR industry and see that the purpose is to create uninformed voters who will make irrational decisions. For the PR industry that's a very easy transition from their primary function. Their primary function is commercial advertising. Commercial advertising is designed to undermine markets. If you took an economics course you learned that markets are based on informed consumers making rational choices. If you turn on the TV set, you see that ads are designed to create irrational, uninformed consumers making irrational choices.'' from :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Ideal vs practices of reality. Do we give up the ideal because the elite do not want reality to match it? The ideal of democracy we teach children is good. We neglect to teach them law, and it's role in democracy.

When a generation doesn't know that, and gov is infiltrated, there may be a tendency to abandon the ideal. Resist, the ideal is supported by principles that are root social instincts founding civil society.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Nice comment. Have you seen this ?

It goes to the heart of what you allude to I think and is narrated by Thom Hartmann & is only 22m long.

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Pro Slavery'' ?! How so ?!! Do you mean 'slaves' to the cartel of private banks that is 'The Fed' ?!!!

Here's a point of view and a way to overcome our masters : http://workerscompass.org/ Solidarity.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by TheMelodicInduction (6) 1 year ago

Sadly, those not already in Occupy are seldom aware of our presence. This overall is not good. But it can be used to our advantage, as if we were invisible. Anything we do is more free of public/authority repression than before. If no one is paying attention to us, we will run under their nose.

Once we do need attention/expansion, it's all a matter of word-of-mouth chain. In essence, organizing the person-to-person news outbound-from-core-movement about Occupy and its plans. Not just relying on occaisional conversation op.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'Occupy The SEC' ( http://www.occupythesec.org/ ) is a critical, technical arm of "Occupy" and thus really well worth consideration !

Again, from above : "Yes, there is a class war. It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in three decades of spiraling economic inequality and a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth. The Occupy movement mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99 percent. That's revolutionary - at least for a one-year-old"(movement) !!

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Deception of one class to try and dominate another always backfires.

They are worried that the 99 might switch to legal process and eject them.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Here's insight as to why The 99% might just have a case to do exactly that and a lot, lot more besides :

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2736) 2 years ago

This movement is alive and well - we just don't serve the agenda so we're being silenced and told to go away ... we're out here - and we're not all at the protests but share the sentiments and once you wake to this you can't go to sleep again - that's a problem they won't be able to contend with - they are just hoping we don't wake the giant

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

There is increasingly a new politics afoot in America ; a politics that challenges the lie of austerity and the lie that says unlimited military spending is necessary. As Americans and their allies from around the world rally, march and vote to put human needs ahead of corporate greed and the "Military-Industrial Complex" about which President Eisenhower warned :

There are groups that understand that the next politics requires an inside-outside strategy that challenges the lie of austerity and the lies that lead to wars of whim. Those challenges must play out inside existing political parties - and outside them ; in the corridors of power and 'mos def' in the streets.

Together We Are Stronger - SOLIDARITY !!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25013) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In compliment: networking

It is with great pride and humility that we announce the most major development this email list has undergone since its founding.

We have become the Occupy Network.

Over the past year and a half we have sent 65 ‘Your Inbox: Occupied’ OWS newsletters. It has been a privilege to do so, and we have learned more than we ever could have imagined along the way.

As the movement has evolved, so have we. We invite you to explore:

http://occupynetwork.com/

At our founding, one of the primary issues facing Occupy Wall Street was the difficulty in keeping track of the many events. There were hosts of working groups planning all sorts of amazing actions in tandem. A primary role we took on was making sense of it all. We worked to provide an easily digestible weekly email that clearly spelled out what was happening when and where.

At this stage of OWS there are still amazing actions going on and still a need for chronicling them in due fashion. However, what has most changed is the difficulty by which would-be supporters on the outside can find a suitable entry point into the movement.

The Occupy Network is a place to discover Occupy.

Our goal is to leverage the collective power of our networks so that we can best bring together people who believe another world is possible -- and are ready to build it.

Our aims are ambitious, sure, but we believe the Occupy Network is a grand experiment aspiring to meet the needs the times before us demand.

Join us on this journey, and stay tuned for much more to come!

-- from your Occupy Network team

Future emails will includes a partial listing of events with an action focus related to the Occupy Movement in New York City. Find a more comprehensive listing of OWS events, including assemblies and meetings, at NYCGA.net/events. Please email takeaction@occupynetwork.com about actions to consider for inclusion, and to contact us at large.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6441) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Where do you honestly feel we stand ten months out from you having posted this?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

We've had our differences facts...still do ;-), but that was a excellent question

I wish we had more people in the MSM who asked questions like that

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Word on the street is you've been banned again !!! For what ?!! To what purpose ?!

Here's another reminder of what's it's really all about for the 99% and us here too :

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Thanks to the Occupy movement the American mainstream is doing something that it hasn't done in decades - discussing the taboo topic of social class in America. Yes, there is a class war. It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in over three decades of spiralling economic inequality & a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth. The Occupy movement mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99 percent. That's revolutionary, at least for a now two-year-old. By contrast, it took the women's suffrage movement 72 years, from its first convention in Seneca Falls, until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920 - to secure women the right to vote - and we're still waiting for our first woman president. I am sure pundits ridiculed that movement and declared it dead at many junctures during its persistent struggle.

Now I'll admit that I quoted that directly from the article above - without using my more usual ''quotation marks'' because : a) your question has very real value ; b) It needed an answer & c) because that single paragraph spoke my mind then when I posted this article (hence I put it in bold) and it does so now too.

Now nearly 2 years since OWS' inception - nothing has changed to alter my opinion and I will repeat the bold scripted last line again : ''This is a fantastic track record for a one-year-old movement. And it is very threatening to the entrenched corporate interests who want us to believe that this movement is over - or better yet, that it never happened.'' --- Why ? Because I do not expect instant gratification or immediate results and I because I take a long view - like our opposition 'ALEC & The Koch Heads' and The Infernal Banksters. OWS is now seeding resistance, cf : 'Strike-Debt', 'Moral Monday', 'RestoreTheFourth' et al.

So frf, I tried an answer and I hope that you don't think that I was overly perfunctory & now I'll ask you a question in return. What do you think of these :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

The kind of initiatives that sprung from the birth of Occupy are being examined and emulated by not only ordinary ciitzens in their daily life, but also now by towns and cities across the country

As more and more people become aware, they will connect at the grass-roots level and RESISTANCE will continue to grow

And then viable alternatives will begin to replace the current corrupt status quo

Systemic change has always come from the bottom up!

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''RESISTANCE will continue to grow - as more and more people become aware, they will connect at the grass-roots level'' - Damn Straight, Odin !!! As such and in support and compliment, I append and very strongly recommend : “Four Horsemen” :

The filmmakers interviewed 23 more or less well-known thinkers, not only experts like Noam Chomsky, Philip Blond and Richard Wilkinson - but people who used to work within “the system” and talk about their first-hand experiences and the interviews in ''Four Horsemen'' are frank and very insightful. VERY strong recommendation that you watch, save and share this - while u still can 'cause it ain't gonna be available for too long. Solidarity ~*~

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6441) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Let's stay here for a minute, I was watching Newsweek on HBO last and the pretend news reader was grilling an OWS representative about the value of a leaderless movement. This continues to be the model and some would say problem with OWS. As I watched the show I tried to answer the question for myself, and for me it has always been about the concepts. To me a "leaderless" movement is one where concepts and ideals and strategies can be tested and defended till the best survive. What I see, on the forum as in life the ideals are judge first by the question "Is it mine?" in other words ego and "leaders" become more important than the ideal. It is a common occurrence, not just with OWS.

To some extend even the references to outside writers in some ways steps away from the spirit that OWS is about those that are willing to come here, or go there, and stand for their own thoughts. Not to pick a fight but it is how I feel. If folks want to be a part of OWS then let them come here and do so, or go to a park near you so to speak.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I re-read that several times & I'm not all that much clearer or wiser. Time will tell as to how all this pans out but I have faith in what OWS is seeding. I won't repeat myself here but will again refer you to both my penultimate and final paragraphs in my previous reply.

Those articles are useful and my opinions on matters come a far distant second to some of the stuff I copy & link to here because I'll let you into a wee secret 'frf' .... I'm mainly here to serve an 'information function' for The 99% (or is that too pretentious and egotistical ?!) and I don't claim to have any original thoughts on any matters but I know the ones I like and can subscribe to and so push those that I see as 99% centred. I also refer you to Odin's reply above & finally, I'll append fyi :

''A housing cooperative is created by people coming together on a democratic basis to own housing. Usually a nonprofit is formed to manage the cooperative and people pay each month to cover the operating expenses. Members of the cooperative each own a share in the corporation that owns the property in which they live. Each shareholder is entitled to occupy a specific unit and has a vote in the corporation. A key aspect in any cooperative is democratic control by the members; usually that requires the election of a board of directors, creation of committees or, in smaller cooperatives, decision-making by the group.'' Also fyi frf et al :

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6441) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

each of us must live within what life presents us I suppose,

what I saw/see within OWS is the great power of random action, those more accustom to structure and hierarchal order see this as chaos, as the person on the TV show I referred to did, what they do not see is the beauty and power of randomness, if I may I would encourage you to look more to yourself for answers if it doesn’t ring true to you it’s probably not, there can only be a choir if every voice is heard, anyway another way to say this would be that the whole damn thing is blown up tight as a balloon and one sliver of truth will blow the whole thing apart if it ever gets to the surface

stop by to see my latest if you want

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-tQChaBj1A

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

We do what we can in our own way for The 99%. I promise to watch your video frf but can you promise the same for this ? --- “Four Horsemen” :

I really appreciate your encouragement ''to look more to yourself for answers'' but I don't agree with you because I ain't all that and 'cause I never knew just how ignerunt I was 'til I gone n' done a li'l learnin' ;-)

I can NOT recommend this documentary strongly enough. It's probably not anything you don't know but hey, there's always the outside chance we either learn something or have something we think we know confirmed or corrected or even we learn that there are new dots to join and clearer connections to make.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6441) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I didn't watch the whole hour and half, I have a bunch of work I got to get done, but here's one you may not have seen check out the YouTube and the story, bankers aren't the only greedy SOBs killing us.

http://www.trueactivist.com/why-medicine-wont-allow-cancer-to-be-cured/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWLrfNJICeM

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Re. marginal tax rates and the Bush 'Tax Cuts' - I got around to watching your video. Very interesting - as are those two links above re. cancer. I did not yet fully watch the video link but I did read the very eye-opening article. Thanx for sharing and by way of a favour for a favour, I append and recommend :

I will get around to watching your You-Tube link - hope you''ll do the same for my ''Four Horsemen'' link & we'll say nothing more about where it was that you 1st you saw that graph, lol & sort your mike out ;-)

pax et lux ; hic et ubique ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i don't think we can have any true overall cultural change unless we reintroduce entheogens to the equation.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Indeed, "entheogens" seem increasingly to have become lost, forgotten or corrupted, as these days of hyper-materialism - "the immaterial has become ... immaterial" !! Thus, in order to reconnect with the transcendent, occluded and numinous the sacremental use of these may well be part of both our evolutionary 'past' and hence 'present', et ergo, our 'future' !

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

This article does the best job I've seen yet at describing this movement and properly crediting Occupy with changing the conversation in this nation. For the first time in my lifetime people are actually discussing social justice and inequity. Kudos to Occupy!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

When I saw this article, it moved me viscerally too and I knew that I would have to post it for us all here. The Truth, Poignancy & Power of the 'STOP The 1% ; WE are The 99%' theme, meme and slogan is the most excellent call to action, I've ever come across and I agree with your comment wholeheartedly.

In our modern societies in which our access to most essentials of life from food and water to shelter and health care depends on money - control of that money is the ultimate instrument of social control.

With the help of 'OWS', Americans are increasingly waking up to a deep and important truth : That it is really a very, very bad idea indeed to yield control of the issuance and allocation of credit (money) to The Wall Street Banks run by con artists who operate beyond the reach of any public accountability.

Once working people found themselves unable to make ends meet with current income, The Wall Street Parasites successfully lured them into making up the difference by taking on credit card and mortgage debt that they had little or no means to repay. Very soon they were borrowing to pay not only for current consumption but also alas, to pay the interest on prior unpaid debt. This is the classic downward spiral of debt slavery that will assure an ever-widening divide between the power and luxury of a Creditor Class and the powerless desperation of a Debtor Class.

'Occupy Wall Street' has really hugely helped by focusing national and global attention on the source of the problem. Now it’s time for action to break the Wall Street 'Banking Trusts' ; replace the current Wall Street 'Banking System' with a Main Street Banking System and take back America - and the rest of us in this 'beautifulworld' too btw - from the rule by The Wall Street & 'City of London' Banksters.

There are myriad other problems and iniquities that OWS highlights & fights but 'Wall St.' is The Key !!!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Very right, Shadz. And, Occupy gets the credit for shining a bright light on all of this. MSM may want to denigrate this movement but they do so while at the same time talking about the issues that Occupy fights for more than they ever have before. We just need to keep pushing the envelope and change will come.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

The Wholly Corporate Controlled MSM (ABCNNBCBS-FUX SNEWzzz et al) are all just variations on the theme of 'Right Wing' and they treat the rest of us like mushrooms, ie. 'keep us in the dark and feed us sh!*t'. There is a desultory and illusory attempt at 'Liberal' but 'Left' just doesn't get a look in - until that is, 'OWS' came along !! I also append for later reflection :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Right again. This is the first "left" movement this country has seen in decades that is actually making a difference, even if it is somewhat amorphous.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Consider that there is actual strength in being "amorphous". Through the prism of 'OWS' much that is iniquitous in US (UK et al) society can be clearly seen and focussed upon. To get people to 'join the dots', first they must 'see the dots' & perhaps this could well be one of OWS' key short term objectives.

Questions about the very ethos of wider society really need to be raised and as such, I also append an interesting article :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Sigh.... From the article: "We are the most materialistic society in the history of the world, and our endless greed is going to end up swallowing us alive."

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I'm afraid that the appended article may well mean that that 'sigh' was more sad and weary than anything else - so chin up and eyes on the far view with ...

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Great song, thanks, but due to greed, lol, I have to open it a different way here in the U.S. and this is probably a different, live, version. "Healing on my mind." :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cccwBEsx2f4

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. "due to greed" - lol & thank you for your link as it a nicer version, imo + here's a live rendition of a tune with your 'name' all over it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4TO4bEHjaw :-) pax et lux ...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"The Untold History of the United States", by David Swanson : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33012.htm .

I append this here as a 'heads up' and as a gratuitous 'self bump' in the hope that you'll either, watch or read and give us an idea here later. Thanx + http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29772.htm .

verbum satis sapienti ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 1 year ago

I both watched and read. Thanks, Shadz. Interesting article. It is nice to see someone trying to uncover the truth about our history. U.S. history is really just a blip in the record of world history and the nationalistic fanfare that has tinted it in the past is important to reveal for going forward. Only by knowing the truth can we make decisions that will be beneficial to us all.

And, loved that video. Awesome! Go Senator Warren!

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Only by knowing the truth can we make decisions that will be beneficial to us all." Amen 'bw' ~*~ & -

History "is where a revolution in thinking should start. This is where the morally repugnant elite control structure should end." & yeah, 'Go Warren' and we hope she can make a lasting difference.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 1 year ago

Let's hope. Unfortunately, today, as you know, hostilities are increasing between Hamas and Israel. Inaccurate versions of history seem to doom this area and it is the quintessential example of how we, as human beings, need a revolution in how we think about the past so that we can go forward in the best way possible.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-militants-deadly-exchanges-live

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I'm afraid that things have moved on for the worse since you appended your strong link, as there are now active preparations for a ground invasion of Gaza I type this (~19:30, EST, 15thNov.'12). I will spare you any further links regarding today's events but suffice it to say things are not looking good.

pacem in terris et oremus ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 1 year ago

That is very disheartening, but not unexpected.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4789) 2 years ago

Just thinking about the MSM news disinformation/blackout thing. MSM is a weapon of the elite. We live rural, and do not receive broadcast since digital. Not worth paying for dish to get faulty news, sports and Kardashians. We get news and information from many internet sources, and are doing well without MSM.

Anyone out there using 'Free To Air' system?

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4789) 2 years ago

Thank you for info.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And I watched an Occupier on MSNBC discussing the OWS Strike the debt group currently working on buying defaulted debt (medical mainly) at auction for pennies on the dollar in order to then forgive said debt.

That is real poweful action. Especially if it can be highlighted somehow. And Banksters/creditors humiliated pressured to do the same. Perhaps other wealthy 1%'rs who support the 99% can contribute or take part.

Perhaps the pols can be made to put pressure or take part in the same kind of effort.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Very interesting point. I personally do not hold out any hope for The 0.01%er Oligarchic Parasite Class but there may be hope for and from 'The 1%'. Re. the excellent wider points of your important comment :

RESISTANCE IS FERTILE !!!

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

These are awesome links, especially those five theses on debt. Nice.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. 'The Five Theses on Debt' :

  • 1) You are not a loan [or alone!]

  • 2) We live in a debt society, buttressed and secured by the debt-prison system.

  • 3) There’s a debt strike going on.

  • 4) When we strike debt, we live a life rather than repay a loan.

  • 5) We claim the necessity of debt abolition and reconstruction.

"We must remake our failed economic system that impoverishes millions while destroying the ecosystem. Using a diversity of tactics that includes a Rolling Jubilee, a People’s Bailout, and vigorous organizing towards a debt strike, Strike Debt seeks to abolish debt and reconstruct a just society where our debts and bonds are to one another and not the 1%.", from :

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Hopefully people will check out that website and thanks for laying out the five theses. They make sense to me.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

To follow on & indeed somewhat extend the wider point re. 'debt', I also append for later consideration :

The last video is worth a view and hopefully the other two links won't be overly onerous either.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21588) 2 years ago

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

:) + "Democracy Is Coming to the U.S.A." = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JwmIBSMzSM ~i~

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Cool. Thanx.

There are some wealthy supporting OWS.

http://patrioticmillionaires.org/

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Consider : There may well be 'Patriotic Millionaires' who arguably might have some kind of residual conscience and sense of integrity, humility and dignity - but I don't hold the same for billionaires who move there money around the world by keystrokes on a computer chasing 'rentier returns'.

More pertinently for this thread, 'Occupy The SEC' ( http://www.occupythesec.org/ ) is a critical, technical arm of "Occupy" & well worth consideration. Further, on 'Money & Debt', I also append :

The first is a documentary film which though from a UK perspective, still gives an excellent insight into 'Money Creation & Debt'. The following three animated films are further insights into 'Debt Money' and the final link is a more technical insight into "Deposit Expansion" and 'Fractional Reserve Lending'.

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Excellent. Haven't seen any.

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Particularly enjoyed reading this, which you kindly bolded:

Thanks to the Occupy movement, the American mainstream is doing something it hasn't done in decades—discussing the taboo topic of social class in America. Yes, there is a class war. It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in three decades of spiraling economic inequality and a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth. The Occupy movement mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99 percent. That's revolutionary—at least for a one-year-old. By contrast, it took the women's suffrage movement 72 years—from its first convention in Seneca Falls, until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920—to secure women the right to vote, and we're still waiting for our first woman president. I'm sure pundits ridiculed that movement and declared it dead at many junctures during its persistent struggle.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Thanks to the Occupy movement, the American mainstream is doing something it hasn't done in decades—discussing the taboo topic of social class in America. Yes, there is a class war. It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in three decades of spiraling economic inequality and a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth. The Occupy movement mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99 percent. That's revolutionary—at least for a one-year-old. By contrast, it took the women's suffrage movement 72 years—from its first convention in Seneca Falls, until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920—to secure women the right to vote, and we're still waiting for our first woman president. I'm sure pundits ridiculed that movement and declared it dead at many junctures during its persistent struggle.'' .... because it totally bears repeating and realising. Solidarity.

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (25013) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thanks to the Occupy movement, the American mainstream is doing something it hasn't done in decades—discussing the taboo topic of social class in America

True - still have a ways to go yet in talking about reality - as the current discussion is still heavily Upper & Middle Class. Lower Class and Poverty stricken are still barely mentioned.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Socialism for the rich ; capitalism for the poor'' says Max Keiser from one of the interviews in :

I can NOT recommend this documentary strongly enough but I honestly think that it just ain't gonna be around long and it took me a lot of looking to find it. Tweet it please bro' and spread the word. Solidarity.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25013) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Done Deal

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWKx0PS3wDw

The Four Horsemen.

What is happening at this very point in time.

Watch before it gets pulled.

Pls Share/Circulate

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Blessings on you dude & tag this sucker on too maybe : http://www.fourhorsemenfilm.com/about/ ;-)

pax ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25013) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Blessings on you dude

And on you excellent educator.

Bookmarked for later: http://www.fourhorsemenfilm.com/about/

Watching the original link now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWKx0PS3wDw

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4789) 2 years ago

Hello shadz,

Good article. It says so much. More has been accomplished by OWS, than we can even realize yet.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"More has been accomplished by OWS, than we can even realize yet." - Thank-you 'Nev1' because for me that sentence really sums it up very beautifully. Thanx again mate and I append for you and others :

Further, with all things 'Occupy' in mind - 'GANDHI' said: "Healthy discontent is the prelude to progress" and "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Re his ideas :

Mass, Regular 'Non Violent' Actions are what 'They' fear most & it is True Anarchists - like arguably Gandhi, who have been at the forefront of New Ideas and Thinking about True, Direct, Participatory Democracy. Thus, please also see :

Finally, 'JFK' once said: "Those who'd make Peaceful Evolution Impossible ... make Violent Revolution Inevitable". Axiomatic you may think but the 0.01% Parasites are so high on their own hubris that they really seem to be blind to such self-evident truths.

SOLIDARITY @ The 99% - Everywhere !!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The proper response to the media's post-mortems of Occupy is attack, attack, attack.

We have the most disgraceful body of journalists since Goebel's. Too bad it's not a crime to impersonate a journalist.

Look what trying to be reasonable did for Howard Dean (in his campaign for president) and Acorn.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

OWS#O13 is soon & the rolling programme - rolls on !!! LOL re. "crime to impersonate a journalist" !! Please also see 'News' tab on the left hand side of site too bar above !

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

For something rather rousing ... as "The Workers Have Nothing To Lose But Their Chains" :

SOLIDARITY

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] -1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

It's funny how this article insists that Occupy is not interested in electing candidates, Democrat or otherwise, right before it launches into over-the-top hyperbole about Mitt Romney being directly connected to Salvadoran death squads.

I did like the word "punditocracy", though.

[-] 2 points by hazencage (58) 2 years ago

lol.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Are any questions about 'Mitt for B(r)ains' to be construed as 'out of bounds' for 'OWS' ?! Should we all simply stay 'schtum' on any matter pertaining to this 'wolf in wolf's clothing' for fear of being seen as 'partisan', lol ?!! Is Romoney, 'The Randian Romulan Robot' any kind of blessing for The US 99% ?!!!

Re. "Salvadorean death squads" & "hyperbole", please feel free to see :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're supposed to pretend the truth isn't real.

As though every day is square one, and what went before doesn't count.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Sounds like 'Groundhog Day' to me !!! Sheesh !! No thanx ! Also ...

"So much wealth and power have accumulated at the top of America that our economy and our democracy are seriously threatened. Romney not only represents this problem. He is the living embodiment of it."

A 'rock and a hard place' ? Re. The US 99%, to paraphrase Prof. Cornel West - "Ohbomber - Disaster ; Romoney - Catastrophe" and please also see the "President Jill Stein ?" link below.

spero meliora ...

[-] -2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Right, because that's exactly how somebody behaves when they're not trying to get any specific candidate elected. You posted an article that belittles people who don't understand that OWS is not trying to elect candidates and then you followed up with Obama 2012 campaign propaganda. So aren't you kind of making fun of yourself by contradicting yourself like that?

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Interesting 'straw man thesis' and you seem to propose that we all stay schtum in case saying anything we feel, see or know about one candidate for POTUS (S)Election may somehow be seen as support for another. That is as tendentious & specious to me as claiming that the posted article "belittles people".

Further, re. Romoney, Bains & The 'Salvadorean Connection' - first you call it "hyperbole" but then when presented with evidential links - you regard it as "Obama 2012 campaign propaganda". I have a distinct feeling that you would regard any questions about 'Mitt for Brains' in the same manner & that you would not query any such aspersions about Obomber. So, I'll leave you to have the last laugh in trying to point out where it is that I am "contradicting" &/or "making fun" of myself here and instead leave you & others to perhaps later quietly consider and reflect upon :

"It's estimated that both President Obama and Mitt Romney will draw out anywhere between 45 and 60 million apiece in November, according to 2008 turnout numbers. But according to one USA Today poll, an estimated 90 million people who could vote this year probably won't, as they're disappointed in both candidates and major political parties. What if just two-thirds of those 90 million people turned out for a candidate with a truly bold vision, who isn't beholden to corporate donors or bought party elites ? It would be a colossal upset for the establishment, and a big win for citizens."

minima maxima sunt

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Ah I see, okay. I get it.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Apparently you're an avowed Republican - so I'm not at all sure that you do "get it" - but no hard feelings anyway and good luck with that ;-)

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by hazencage (58) 2 years ago

I think a lot of avowed liberals such as myself feel alienated by occupy, and in the end I will be voting for obama, but until occupy matures I will continue to enjoy the critiques raised by individuals such as TechJunkie.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Marvin Gaye - "What's going On" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kA3UtBj4M&feature=related ;

Sly & the Family Stone - "Everyday People" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hcgoLojOVo&feature=related &

Curtis Mayfield - "Move On Up" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw&feature=related :)

pax, amor et lux ...