Forum Post: OCCUPY has set Precident, ...we have now Become a Part of HISTORY!
Posted 11 years ago on March 14, 2013, 12:05 p.m. EST by Marlow
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** Occupy is the FIRST World Movement of Pioneers on a Home front dedicated to the People.
* It is the Largest and Most Known movement that has not been matched since Christianity helped to bring down the Roman Empire.
* This movement is Still in it's infancy. More and More are including themselves as they find the Situation of the Systems Graft and Corruption has entered their lives... The more they know.. the more they understand.
** Most importantly, this Forum, a multitude of offshoot Web Sites and Blogs.. the Media and The Social Network has opened doors and given the common person an advantage in Fact finding as never before.
WE Are the PEOPLE, ..
...and We are Not Weak, ... NOT ignorant, ...and most Certainly NOT without Voice!
At this point All those who have contributed, Marched, stood their Ground.. been arrested or abused by those who ignorantly have no clue WE are their best ally... are .. PIONEERS.
.. Pioneers of a New Generation.. Keeping the Truth Out There
and Stopping ANY Group who would Rule us through a World Order, or any Power who would Abuse Human Rights.
Make no mistake, if you do your homework. ( it's all there in main media, and Historical Records.. When you want to create a Single World Government, you Take the Wealth, Rule the Economy and Own the Banks.. ( So Far, so very True!)
.. Eyes Open my Fellow Pioneers.. and be as diligent as you may, as if your lives depended on it. .. ... because it does.
Be Very Proud. I know i am.
Thanks for that good morning good start to the day.
It has come to my attention.. that an inordinate amount of Sr. Citizens, ( i know, odd huh?) .. have been trying to look into what Occupy is about. Seems many are not Computer Savvy, but are feeling left out of the loop..
Being in contact with friends from all over the World, i have had a chance to learn that WW11 Vets and their Widows are very interested in what is going with Occupy. I find that is Absolutely Wonderful News!
.. Occupy is in seemingly less 'In your Face' these days.. yet Still quite in front enough to get the attention of those who find it interesting that we are not going to stop Any time soon.
My Friends Parents ( 70's 80's 90's).. are all asking about us. All interested in how this formed, why, and where is the leadership..Because we dont believe ONE or Two should lead.. it confounds them.. as that has never been part of their thinking. .
.. 'How' we were formed is by so many being So Outraged, and connecting with that momentum. .
'Why'.. is,
..there is no other way to stop the down trending of our rights. The very abuse by those who stole our Investments, our 401K's, our Pensions, our Life Savings.. to pocket, and turn on us with that financial power. .
and 'Where ..are we headed' is up to all of us who want to keep the Truth in Line with the Horizon. .. ( a 'Constant')
BTW - on occasion I reach out to AARP and other groups and OWS to talk to each-other and share strength in our common cause (s).
how great is it, to help others when you can.. makes the world go 'round. (;^)
DK, i know you have made incredible efforts to the 'Cause'.. You, and an astounding number of Occupiers' are Heroes. So many on the Forum too, work tirelessly to maintain a very difficult path.
We are blessed to have one another.
Well thank you for that wonderful complement - but I am no one special - at least I like to think that I am not - as what we do here should be what the average person does. I want to be average and have all of those self same individuals here with us.
Yes I do consider us blessed at having intelligent people such as yourself and others here and also taking part in wide varieties of groups around the country and around the world - working to make a healthy world for ALL.
Absolutely awesome.
Yes Marlow, we are very fortunate to be in this together, and what a wonderful legacy we will be leaving our children
Thanks, but my new favorite saying, and it is very applicable here is
Here's looking at YOU Marlow ;-)
~Odin~
Actually, the senior citizens that I talk to are actually quite happy that someone is saying and doing something. They remember or were impacted by the Depression. They watched the changes in the laws and have been repeatedly impacted by those changes. I watched a few of them cheer when they watched a protest in front of BOA.
Yes, GF, i know.. and agree. It's amazing how their background connects to the current situation and our efforts.. (thx for the reply) ..M.
You mean granny & grandpa are radicals now?!
Golly these really are some crazy times times we are living in now
Wait a minute, I forgot, I'm a grandpa..lol
~Odin~
I'm sure you heard it; what do you call somebody who back in the '60 was a long haired, hippie radical, commie, pinko, dope smokin' freak? Answer; "grandpapa." or "grandmama."
No I haven't heard that, but it is funny and true
If you can remember the 60s, you probably weren't there
~Odin~
Actually, I was....
I was not implying that your weren't there
It's just another cute adage that I remember one of my daughter's history teachers saying
And to some degree, for me anyway, there is usually an element of truth in jest
~Odin~
Now I see it. I'm laughing, Come to think of it, I heard that line before. My brain don't work too fast at times. Must have been all that pot. Cheerio
Cheerio matey ;-)
~Odin~
Well, technically, this group of people always were radicals. At least half of them were. You just have to wait for a sec until the stupid gets to be a little too much and they explode.
You keep telling me how you are old. How old are you?
You're right, it's their children and grandchildren who are have suffered the effects of all the corruption too
And unlike the younger generation, they can remember how it was, and how it has gotten progressively worse
I'm old enough to have a daughter who is almost 40 ;-)
~Odin~
Well, then you are way older than me. :)
I kept thinking that you couldn't be much older than me and I was going to smack you. Really.
I can't believe that GF
You get in the best comments for the day by proclaiming, "then you are way older than me :)"...lolol
~Odin~
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't meant as a nice gesture. The points.
I was just playing around. I thought you were a few years older than me and you keep posting that you were old. I kept thinking, "Hey-knock that off."
But, as it turns out, I was wrong so now I'm thinking, "Ok then, carry on...."
When you give it (teasing), you should be able to take it. I enjoy the banter and it is good occasionally to get away from the more serious, contentious issues that are debated on here
I often use my references to being old to remind my opponents that I have learned a lot from my years and experiences on this planet, and in a subtle way letting them know that I know BS when i hear it
And considering the average age of the people that I know who put so much time and energy into OUR rev is probably 25-35, I am old in comparison
The fact that the people who are nearer to the heart of this rev are so young is a wonderful, big plus for us because they have the energy, and clearly the determination as well
~Odin~
I don't even hint as calmly or nicely as you do. I just tell them straight up---BS.
I've noticed...;-). Your Schneiderman-like approach serves our movement very well
I'll set 'em up. You finish 'em off...OK?
~Odin~
Sure thing. lol
Well I figured I was way older than you dear
Still though, I'm not that old that I couldn't enjoy a good "smacking" lol
~Odin~
I thought you were in your forties.
At one time I felt like I was in my sixties when i was in my late forties
But with a change of life style and being immature...lol, I feel like I am in my forties, thirties even now,
Will you be at the OTS/Rolling Jubilee on Sat?
~Odin~
I will be working and then picking up my kid. Will you?
I'll be working at the event, and will not have time to pick up your kid ;-)
~Odin~
lol
That's not what I meant.
I knew...lol...just playing dumb in a deadpan kinda way
On a more sincere note; I know the daily battles of being a parent to a young child are not easy, but you should keep things in perspective, and enjoy these years as they go by quickly
Some day your child may appreciate and be proud of the part that his FIERY mama...lol.. played in her attempt to make this a better world for him/her
~Odin~
Awesome comment - yes - the senior citizens are not dummies - they have the least real news access of us all - as they are not into the internet - Yet - still they see the crap going on and are disgusted by it.
I too have talked to some of the older/elder crowd - and they are interested in what occupy has to say. I have explained my point of view about having a leaderless movement (s) - in that it gives attackers no one to focus on - that presenting issues to the public and pointing out the actions or inaction's of government and business is the way to get people to open their eyes and get involved. This gives many a moment of pause as they consider that - then many have gotten a big smile and said - OK I can understand that.
Our seniors are a treasure of life experience - and they see that things have been done to the detriment of society.
More over, i am so glad to know that the Idiots who control the money are now so Cocky that they are exposing themselves as Corrupt.. All we have to do when that is the case.. is to keep it in the news and on the blogs! Soon, They might even sweep Themselves into the dumpster.
Occupy has patience.. and Tenacity!
They may well feed public outrage to the point where everyone will be pushing for enforcement of the law on the Wealthy Criminal Elite.
Perhaps inspiring more public suits ( nice thought for continuing rolling jubilees )
Also inspire more of the public to taking their money out of the mega banksters hands.
Democracy = demos = power to the people. All that we need for that formula to prevail is awareness, resolve and action.
And the opposition is presenting plenty of outrageous shit to fire the passions of the people - they seem not able to stop themselves from covering themselves with shit.
Tenacity...hmmm, where have i heard that word
PERSEVERANCE and building COMMUNITY along the way is the key
~Odin~
Thanks DK, you put that very well
My most recent conversation with a 50-60 year old woman at my credit union was very enlightening to me in the fact that she knew how f...ed up things were
She would fit in very well on this forum, and the next time I see her, I will give her some radical lit ;-)
~Odin~
Have you been thinking of helping for the Bridge to the Ground?
No I have not been thinking about the Bridge To The Ground,
Instead i have been trying to build an alliance between Occupy and a group called USLAW, since i met one of their members at a meeting, and we have exchanged several thoughtfully written emails
I am also getting ready to go to the Triangle commemoration tomorrow, and then there is the OTS/Rolling Jubilee event on Saturday
All that combined with making new hybrid flyers yesterday for doing outreach here and in NY
Well my hands are full, so you start the Bridge, and if I feel it is not divisive, I'll help, OK?
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/....
~Odin~
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Banks + Corp orations +Politicians = Graft and Collusion. That simple arithmetic has proved correct simply, by the Today's results on the Loss of the Middle Class.
.. When Profits were taken by those Crooks, not a Dime went back into the system. .. The Major Stipulation to the banks Bail Out, was that they return Profits within one year ..by lowing interest rates and allowing Loans to their clients for survival. .. After a Year, those banks were again up in front of a Senate Panel asking ...'Why did you not give out ONE SINGLE Loan this whole year?!...'
.. They stole our money by Hedging it on the Sub Prime debacle.. Sold on the Highs in Trades.. and kept profits ( our retirement funds, charity funds, IRA's, 401 K's, life savings).. and sent them to off shore Accounts... Then came back after they Crashed the Market..( which was their cruel intention all along).. and Asked for Help.. They Took even MORE of our Money for the Bail out, .. And ...Still... Kept It!..
Giving them selves over 1.2 Trillion in Bonuses.. !
.. That's it in a Nut Shell, and thats Why we are Here on this forum at all.
..M.
(enjoy your day)
Bohemian Club, Bilderberg, Harvard Clubs, Carlyle Group
.. all have taken This Country from a modicum of Representation, .. To a System controlled by a Few CREEPS that made deals between themselves.
The US has been Hi Jacked.
They used the Law.. and invented a Back Room System
The ONLY System that will Work, is one with Full Transparency!
It is a wonder that this transparent fact has not registered to more people as of yet.
I know ..Right? We all watched the news on this.. the panel and the exchanges... the dow downfall.. and as these Crooks hoped for.. people either dont understand it.. or they forget because their lives have been so damaged, they dont have time to even get mad!
Yep - I think a good portion of the population is what one would call SHELL SHOCKED.
TRUTH ( the assholes )
Wonderful, thanks Marlow.
Good Morning.. Today, in the News is JPMorgan in front of a Senate Panel due to 'Cooking the Books'.. Tho THEY call it a 'Synthetic Credit Portfolio'..
... anyone Else here laughing out loud?
.. I have mentioned too in this forum many times about Graft and Corruption in Wall Street and their Take over of the Banking System, .. Of their 'plants' in Washington, D.C. .. ie., the SEC Chairs have all been Goldman Sachs Employees up to Schapiro, ( who was FINRA's puppet).. ( FINRA is the BBB of the NYSE, which rules itself.. and is another Joke perpetrated on the Independent Investor Community)..
... That the Fed Reserve is Run by Insiders of Certain Groups that are 'Connected'.. a Good Ole' Boy Bunch that is the 'Black Hole' of ..Transparency!
... When anyone does their homework as i tend to do on a daily basis.. We find easily the Dots, and they seem to effortlessly Connect themselves. Another Example.. .. the Carlyle Group, I found while researching a nefarious Charity, 'The Lilith Foundation'.. was full of Board of Directors from every Bank and High End Henchfund in it's past, and foundation, to now.
Finding that the Carlyle Group was formed in the Early 20th Century by one Prescott Bush.. who's son later became the head of the CIA before becoming President.... The Carlyle's Off shoot is, Blackwater.
..BlackWater is a Corrupt inside the Beltway Group that run rough shod over elected officials.. and is now exposed to have CIA Ties.
.. Surprise, Surprise.
... How many of us are Ripping away at the Fabric of Collusion and Graft.. ? .... Every Single Member of the Occupy Movement, in their Own way.. IS!
.. When i say " Keep Truth on the Horizon".. 'Steady as She Goes' always follows.
A most Wondrous Weekend to all .
( am in Suuuch a good mood over JPMorgan being exposed for what they are..
Goldman Sachs, ..We SEE YOU Too!!)
We gotta agitate for the prosecutions of all these financial criminals.
Now if we can only get the law to truly see them and act.
I mean I would laugh
[ THEY call it a 'Synthetic Credit Portfolio'.. ... anyone Else here laughing out loud? ]
But all too often the law accepts these bogus labels.
you know why, dont you?... ( and this is where is gets REALLY Funny, because it's so insidious.) .. They allow this form of 'What 'Is', is'.. verbosity, because they are worried about elections... yet, ..Elections are Rigged!
The Diablo system is micro-chipped, ( not a TV show) .. but for Real.
Everyone should be obliged to find on the Web the Documentary.. 'The Hacking of Democracy'.
I lived in FL. at the Time of the 2000 Election, and we ALL knew something was up before Gore Demanded a Recount.
And this is exactly why - Fundamental Change for the better for ALL will not happen without the full involvement of The People.
Worth Repeating...
"And this is exactly why - Fundamental Change for the better for ALL will not happen without the full involvement of The People..." ....by DKA
... I think it will happen. ..............Occupy, is not a Myth!
Absolutely
"I think it will happen. ..............Occupy, is not a Myth!" ...by Marlow
{:-]) Word is getting around.
Our first mission is [to build] opposition ...by cypress hill
Nice Thread.
What's the next objective or hurdle? http://occupywallst.org/forum/initiative-democracy-pros-cons-can-it-work-in-time/
LeoYo is convinced our representatives will vote however they feel, no
matter what their constituents feel, and I agree.
So do we have a representative, republican, government?
no. Maybe we can not pay taxes on that issue. not taxation without
representation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs I always payed my taxes, but that is all the government
want...to be on top and get paid.
[-] 2 points by LeoYo (1535) 52 minutes ago
Now Make Me Do It: The Mythical Apathy of the Electorate
http://my.firedoglake.com/mymarkx/2012/10/19/now-make-me-do-it-the-mythical-apathy-of-the-electorate/#
By: mymarkx Friday October 19, 2012 10:52 pm
Many liberals and progressives, not to mention conservatives and wingnuts, bemoan the apathy of the electorate. It isn’t enough to just vote, they insist, once you elect somebody you have to actively force them to represent you, and they cite Franklin D. Roosevelt who said, “I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.” The problem, they claim, isn’t with the system or with our representatives, but with us for not being organized and active enough to make our representatives represent us. Many elected representatives claim that they would like to represent their constituents, but, like FDR, they can’t unless they are made to.
If true, this would reflect poorly on us as a people. We have a basically good system, and some good representatives, but we are just too lazy and apathetic to make our representatives represent us.
This is all a lie. Let me give you an example. Back during the Bush administration a lot of people wanted to see Bush and Cheney impeached. In one district the desire for impeachment was so high that activists were able to collect signatures from more than 80% of the residents asking their representative, John Olver, to support impeachment. But when he was formally presented with the petition, his response was, “Spare me! I’m well aware that the overwhelming majority of my constituents want me to support impeachment. I will not.” His response would have been the same if the petition had signatures from 100% of his constituents. It wasn’t that people were too apathetic to care, or too lazy to try to make him represent them, it was that our Constitution never gave people the power to exercise their will through their elected representatives. As both the Bush and Obama administrations made clear, our government does not allow public opinion to influence policy decisions. We are not a democracy or a republic. In the United States power is vested in the hands of the government, not in the hands of the people.
In both a democracy and a republic, by definition, supreme power over government is vested in the hands of the people. In a democracy, the people exercise their power directly by voting on budgets, policy issues, and other matters of import, but in a republic the people exercise their power indirectly through their elected officials. In the United States we have no such power. We can ask our representatives to represent us, we can protest if they don’t, but we have no way to make them do our will because we have no power over them. Once they are elected, they are free to represent us, if they wish, or they can, if they choose, represent their big campaign donors, their personal ideologies, the interests of a foreign country, or anything else they want. We can petition until we turn blue and protest until we get ourselves shot, but we have no way to sway them. Sure we can wait until their terms of office, the only time they’re supposed to represent us, are over, and then try to elect somebody else who can’t be held accountable, but while our representatives are in office, while they are supposed to be representing us, we cannot make them do so.
Of course we can ask Congress to impeach them, but Congress doesn’t like to impeach its own Members. If one Member was impeached, other Members might be subject to impeachment in revenge, so that’s a can of worms they prefer not to open. Sometimes they threaten impeachment, or even begin impeachment proceedings, but they don’t impeach. There have been impeachments of some district judges, but no sitting President, Supreme Court Justice, or Member of Congress has ever been impeached: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
If your representatives appears to be representing you, it is because they chose to or their big donors told them to, not because you made them do it. You have no power to make them do anything. When you vote, you are not voting for representatives, you are voting for petty tyrants who may or may not represent you and over whom you have no power whatsoever. Once their term of office is over and they are no longer representing you, you cannot bring back to life the dead from the wars they funded with your taxpayer dollars or renounce the debts they incurred that your granchildren will still be paying . The damage they do while in office can be irreparable and you have no control over them while they’re in office. You can try to elect somebody else, somebody who tells smoother lies, but you will have no real power over them either.
Of course with corporate money even in local politics, gerrymandered districts, easily hacked and totally unverifiable central tabulators, you can never know for sure that your vote for a new representative was counted at all, no less counted for the candidate you tried to vote for.
Yet approximately 50% of the electorate vote anyway, hoping against hope that their vote might be counted and that they might be represented. The other half of us know better.
In a democratic form of government, a vote is the most precious right of all because it is the way that people exercise their power over government, either directly or through their representatives.
We do not have a democratic form of government in the United States. The Constitution gave us a plutocracy where we have no power over government to exercise.
So don’t berate yourself and your neighbors for not making your representatives do their jobs. You can’t. The 39 plutocrats who wrote the Constitution, the wealthy elite 1% of their time, made sure that you wouldn’t have that power, as they didn’t trust the “mob and rabble” of democracy and wanted those who owned the country, people like themselves, to always rule the country.
You’re not apathetic. You’ve been had.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/initiative-democracy-pros-cons-can-it-work-in-time/
Reality check: It’s too soon to be patting ourselves on the back and high-fiving each other. Seems to be a victory celebration before the victory.
OWS is a long way from making substantial changes in government or business. We have not yet garnered the support of the masses. OWS is a fledging movement. The jury is still out on whether it will make any difference.
It’s good to rally the troops and recognize our accomplishments, but too soon to think we’ve really made a difference. I’m not knocking our successes, I’m just saying it’s too soon to get cocky.
Occupy needs a pat on the back Every day.. this is Grueling in most cases. .. Not celebrating a thing.. and if you read my whole topic, i did say we are in it's Infancy.
.. Better to be supportive, than to look for negatives. and there isnt one ounce of "Cockyness" in any of my words..
I am being quite real .. Occupy Has made History.
Looking through the list of comments it appears to me that most people are focusing on the effects of an issue and not the root cause that needs fixing.
I think, and would like your members to consider that the root causes of all of these problems are that without exception,
1) each and every political system in the world is endemically corrupt and needs to be done away with.
2) politicians have been allowed to elevate their positions in society from mere employees of the common people to masters over them,
3) people who should have nothing to do with the political process have wormed their way in and have too much influence on political processes and policies
4) Politicians have divided loyalties due to outside employment e.g. jobs, honorary positions on boards etc.
To solve these problems I have come up with what could be considered an ideal political system which is laid out in this blog:
http://modern-nationalist.com/groupware/blogs/3
WHY WE NEED A TOTALLY NEW POLITICAL SYSTEM
The ideology is sound and universal in that it could be applied to any country around the world, though the implementation would take considerable time, effort and resources.
To this end, I have created the Modern Nationalist site and would like your members to take a look at it and perhaps consider joining me in this quest for democracy and fair treatment of the common people.
Do not be mistaken, the Modern Nationalist ideology is based on the fact that Nationalism should be a conscious state of mind and not based on a white supremacist (who I am totally against) theory of superiority due a genetic accident of birth.
That means the site is open to all people who love their country and want to see a better deal for their own people.
My personal basic premise is that politicians are nothing special and are no more than paid employees who are employed by the common people to do an administrative job.
They should be able to be sacked when they fail just like any other employee.
I worked for a Mayor, in DC as well.. i know the system is not grand, and that compromise has been brought down to a level of sheer Greed Supreme.
.. i cant list all the factors that we need to pay attention to.. but i can keep what Truth, albeit lumped up... in the forefront.. and hopefully inspiring those to do more Homework.
The more you understand, the more outrage becomes your partner.
.. it's the System, definitely. One that needs to be changed, not razed.
I try to give each reader the opportunity to think for themselves. .. and hopefully i get to read great responses like yours.
Basing an entire political system on various conspiracy theories, is probably the exact wrong way to go.
I too am tired of 'Conspiracies'.. Tired of the Truth that would be hidden.. Called a Conspiracy by those who would be exposed.
. Ty, Shooz
I'm not interested in seeing OCCUPY become history. I want to see them Make History.
Let us not get too snug. We have not brought down any empires yet.
Btw, maybe i should mention every once in a while too.. that i have had a web site since 2005 , fighting Corruption on Wall Street and Capital Hill. ..
Investors4Justice.net
Update is behind.. Web Server in Nova Scotia, and you ALL know how hard our Northern Friends were hit in the World Economic Dump.
.. but thanks for viewing, ..M.
The key word in your post is "HISTORY". As in OWS is...