Forum Post: Not that climate change isn't real...
Posted 11 years ago on Nov. 6, 2012, 2:34 p.m. EST by richardkentgates
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but my fellow leftist, I'm pretty tired of the ignorant clamoring of idiots trying to attach every tragedy to a "I told you so" line of shit. The only thing you accomplish by taking such a low brow approach is to discredit the very things you claim to be important to you. Sandy is not the result of climate change and no real scientist has agreed with any of you on the topic. Let me share something with the fact free peanut gallery.
It's the rotational axis [pole] not the magnetic pole, that concerns the weather. The more constant tilt [wobble with a 20,000 year period] of the Earth's axis of rotation, which maintains its absolute angle w.r.t the rest of the universe as we circle the Sun, determines our yearly cycle of seasons. If that changed quickly, conservation of angular momentum would break the Earth into pieces. The spin makes the entire Planet a gyroscope. It resists rotational axis variation.
Are you conflating rotational and magnetic poles? I took more physics at Arizona than most EEs. I talked a lot with Dr. Fan, a physicist who studied variations in the Eath's magnetic field. I don't know what you're talking about.
You need to look into large scale, low level magnetism. It isn't the same a working with refrigerator magnets.
Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?
Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.
You need to look into large scale, low level magnetism. It isn't the same a working with refrigerator magnets.
OK. What specific study or body of data concerning "large scale, low level magnetism" are you prepared to cite in defense of your vague assertions about influence on climate or weather by the Earth's magnetic field.
I repeat:
Are you conflating rotational and magnetic poles? I took more physics at Arizona than most EEs. I talked a lot with Dr. Fan, a physicist who studied variations in the Earth's magnetic field. I don't know what you're talking about.
That's a nice way a knowledgable professional like me tells a dolt like you that your full of shit!
LOL, you're the one who is full of shit. If you had such an education, I wouldn't have to explain this to you. Every time you come at me with one of your socks and you have no real argument, you suddenly have another degree or Phd, or whatever makes you sound knowledgeable, as if I don't know you're the same ass hole.
For those of you that don't understand why this dipshit is clueless, everything with even one electron is effected by magnetic fields, and electrons are in everything, including water.
Voting yourself up doesn't make you look smart either.
Hey, those online PHD's rock.
I got three of them just this week.
Cashed in my frequent flyer points.
Onyaaamate - ffm ( frequent flyer miles/points ) should be good for something.
LOL! nice :D
As usual, dipshit, you've said nothing. Cite a paper or data or something real. Your argument is entirely ad hominum, without semantic content.
So you deny that electrons are effected by magnetic fields, or that water contains electrons? Or even air for that matter? Unless you can disprove that, the rest can be done with a little math between volume, density, and field intensity. Get a grip homeboy, or are you going to try and disprove the fundamentals of electric generators?
Are you being deliberately obtuse or is your specious and meaningless comment about electrons the result of consultations with your brothers at Delta Upsilon Mu?!!!
How does the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field with the electrons in water [vapor], air or other gases in the atmosphere alter the weather? Cite studies or data to support your assertions. That's the way intelligent adults do things. You frat brats need to learn a few things before you play with the big boys.
ions in space are drawn towards poles and light the skies as they falling into the atmosphere
The bow wave of the Earth (through the solar wind) is called Aurora Borealis. How does that affect the weather? Cite studies or a significant body of data.
i don't know that it does
though sky effects can themselves be considered weather
good edit. If "sky effects" alter the temperature, wind direction or speed, moisture content or precipitation then I guess they are weather.
LOL. Is that mp3bear "Shy Effects" or the psychological phenomenum.
good edit. If "sky effects" alter the temperature, wind direction or speed, moisture content or precipitation then I guess they are weather.
i do not think he is deliberately obtuse - i think that is how his mind works. my uneducated word for this is - stupid. i have had a few conversations (that is probably the wrong word for what we did) and they were similar to yours. i could not make sense of his responses and that led to him ranting - sounds like he works hard but lots of spinning going on - hopefully he is better at cooking than thinking.
So you deny that electrons are effected by magnetic fields, or that water contains electrons? Or even air for that matter? Unless you can disprove that, the rest can be done with a little math between volume, density, and field intensity. Get a grip homeboy, or are you going to try and disprove the fundamentals of electric generators?
Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?
Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.
I asked you about magnetism and electrons. That is the subject, read the OP. Since you aren't dumb enough to challenge basic physics (wise move), I think this conversation is over.
You remain evasive in your dissembling, even as you duck and run! It's over when I dismiss you.
Dismissed!
I love science!. You have many interesting points regarding the planetary science that might affect the climate.
I wonder if we might just seperate all those excellent points for a moment and go on the record with a statement of agreement that Pollution is bad!
We are all against pollution, right? And we all agree that we MUST cut pollution!
Can we agree on that!?
Agreed!
i expected you might be reasonable. I will await Richards response, although he is frequently just offensive and unreasonable.
We'll see.
Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?
Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.
Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?
Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.
Truth.
what's in the air effects the air
Off topic!
Great post. What's the difference between Libs jumping on a crisis like Sandy to boost their cause vs Cons jumping on something like the Underwear bomber to push their Patriot Act vision?
"Sandy" and "Underwear" should never be together. Even in a sentence.
LOL
None
Something else to consider. Yep - the shifting magnetic poles. The current picture of the earths magnetic field is pretty chaotic. The field is becoming broken in it's areas of influence ( perhaps not the best way to state it ). Pictures of the earths magnetic field shows areas of instability and positive/negative shifts. What happens if we are experiencing a magnetic pole reversal? There is conjecture that the earths protective magnetic field/envelop may collapse drastically for an unknown period of time. Are we looking into what to do if and when that happens?
Shielding of some type for dwellings live stock farming?
What will this do to our climate in general?
The magnetic field and ionosphere protect us from potentially deadly solar radiation. But I don't understand what the magnetic field has to do with storms or weather patterns in general. And I know quite a bit about electricity and magnatism. What kind of effects are you talking about? Can you refer to a specific study or body of data?
Really cool image up there!
I think you want to refer that question to RKG - his post.
Other than the collapse of our protective envelop which would open us up to direct effect by solar radiation in a poll reversal - the solar wind - I am not really sure what other effects the shifting magnetic poll would cause.
sorry. wrong number.
No prob.
I don't buy into such drastic notions as such behavior has not been observed in any region of the observable universe. Magnetic fields are or are not chaotic and any transition happens over long periods of time. At worst, all compasses will need re-calibration but by then we will all be on GPS. Since shipping already uses GPS, I can't see it even interfering with commerce. It's just a factoid and something people should be aware of.
You brought up the subject.
If it has nothing to do with nothing ( in your opinion ) - then why even bring it up?
There is evidence of past reversals - evidence found in old lava flows that locked in the evidence that the field was different at the time the lava flowed and cooled. This evidence as well as the current chaotic picture of earths magnetic field has sparked much theorizing as to what may be expected as the process happens.
Also - scientists do not know how long this current shift has been happening. One reason vulcanology ( the study of past flows ) has gained interest.
I brought it up because it will have an impact on the weather, not necessarily the climate. I didn't say it has nothing to do with nothing, I was just pointing out that it isn't a reason for panic. Climate change however, is a reason to panic. But, Sandy is likely a result of pole shift, not climate change.
Pole shift is shown on every navigation chart produced. It is measurable, and was predictable. I believe there was a slight aberration, or speeding up in the last two years, which upset aeroplane landings, because despite the obvious advantages of GPS, it can't be relied upon 100% of the time.
Historically, there has been at least one total reversal of the poles in the life of the planet. Perhaps that finished off the dinosaurs, though I've also read that a massive impact from a meteor was responsible for both. Fossil evidence found in sea-floor sediments shows massive extinctions and death of organisms reliant on magnetic navigation.
The crust of our planet rides upon a fluid molten core, and it is quite possible for a total reversal to happen in a matter of minutes. There'd be no need to worry about protecting ourselves or our homes, as very few people would be lucky enough to be in a position to survive such a shift. A tsunami miles high would be the end of most of us, and what we've built.
Perhaps people working deep underground would be the genesis of our next attempt to conquer the Earth. The massive shale deposits off the coast of America are thought to be the remnants of a massive forest, flattened by the last tsunami event, and buried under layers of sediment spread by the waves that circled the globe for months after the tsunami.
We are passengers on this lump of rock. We don't even really know how long people have been on this rock.
The crust rides upon the mantle, not the core.
It has been postulated over the last two decades that the core may actually be similar to a star with a giant nuclear reactor(s) at or close to the core.
Georeactor
There must be some explanation for the magnetic sheild the planet produces. The atmospheric envelope is unique within our solar system.
Assumptions that molten iron makes up the bulk of our earth's core are as valid as any, simply because we don't have any means to prove otherwise. What we can prove, is that the crust is mobile, and has been for a long time.
The highest mountain ranges on the planet are simply the edges of the tectonic plates pushing against eachother. To my mind, that would indicate that what lies beneath the crust of the earth is shrinking, which lends credibility to the reactor theory, Richard.
Such a shame we've only three score and ten more years to observe it.
You're scaring me. I want to move to Tibet, or Denver now.
I'd be more scared of the Yellowstone caldera, Steve.
That sucker is still bubbling, and is potentially more powerful than maybe a hundred Hiroshimas.
That worriesme also. If the yellowstone volcano erupts you can say good bye usa. What's really scary is the reports of fracking causing earthquakes which could cause an eruption.
Yes, though it has erupted before. A caldera is what's left behind after a super-volcano literally blows out so completely, that the mountain-top gets blown all over the continent.
Fracking is so fraught with negative possibles, I'm surprised it ever got the go-ahead. I've recently heard that fracking companies are no longer required to clean up their own mess, even when they cause a disaster. This, of course, protects the interests of shareholders and investors, meaning the 1%.
Must be real handy owning your own senate, congress, and president.
Interesting..