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Forum Post: Not that climate change isn't real...

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 6, 2012, 2:34 p.m. EST by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL
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but my fellow leftist, I'm pretty tired of the ignorant clamoring of idiots trying to attach every tragedy to a "I told you so" line of shit. The only thing you accomplish by taking such a low brow approach is to discredit the very things you claim to be important to you. Sandy is not the result of climate change and no real scientist has agreed with any of you on the topic. Let me share something with the fact free peanut gallery.

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[-] 4 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

It's the rotational axis [pole] not the magnetic pole, that concerns the weather. The more constant tilt [wobble with a 20,000 year period] of the Earth's axis of rotation, which maintains its absolute angle w.r.t the rest of the universe as we circle the Sun, determines our yearly cycle of seasons. If that changed quickly, conservation of angular momentum would break the Earth into pieces. The spin makes the entire Planet a gyroscope. It resists rotational axis variation.

Are you conflating rotational and magnetic poles? I took more physics at Arizona than most EEs. I talked a lot with Dr. Fan, a physicist who studied variations in the Eath's magnetic field. I don't know what you're talking about.

  • richardkentgates (3639) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 day ago

You need to look into large scale, low level magnetism. It isn't the same a working with refrigerator magnets.

Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?

Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

You need to look into large scale, low level magnetism. It isn't the same a working with refrigerator magnets.

[-] 5 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

OK. What specific study or body of data concerning "large scale, low level magnetism" are you prepared to cite in defense of your vague assertions about influence on climate or weather by the Earth's magnetic field.

I repeat:

Are you conflating rotational and magnetic poles? I took more physics at Arizona than most EEs. I talked a lot with Dr. Fan, a physicist who studied variations in the Earth's magnetic field. I don't know what you're talking about.

That's a nice way a knowledgable professional like me tells a dolt like you that your full of shit!

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

LOL, you're the one who is full of shit. If you had such an education, I wouldn't have to explain this to you. Every time you come at me with one of your socks and you have no real argument, you suddenly have another degree or Phd, or whatever makes you sound knowledgeable, as if I don't know you're the same ass hole.

For those of you that don't understand why this dipshit is clueless, everything with even one electron is effected by magnetic fields, and electrons are in everything, including water.

Voting yourself up doesn't make you look smart either.

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Hey, those online PHD's rock.

I got three of them just this week.

Cashed in my frequent flyer points.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Onyaaamate - ffm ( frequent flyer miles/points ) should be good for something.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

LOL! nice :D

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

As usual, dipshit, you've said nothing. Cite a paper or data or something real. Your argument is entirely ad hominum, without semantic content.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So you deny that electrons are effected by magnetic fields, or that water contains electrons? Or even air for that matter? Unless you can disprove that, the rest can be done with a little math between volume, density, and field intensity. Get a grip homeboy, or are you going to try and disprove the fundamentals of electric generators?

[-] 5 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Are you being deliberately obtuse or is your specious and meaningless comment about electrons the result of consultations with your brothers at Delta Upsilon Mu?!!!

How does the interaction of the Earth's magnetic field with the electrons in water [vapor], air or other gases in the atmosphere alter the weather? Cite studies or data to support your assertions. That's the way intelligent adults do things. You frat brats need to learn a few things before you play with the big boys.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

ions in space are drawn towards poles and light the skies as they falling into the atmosphere

[-] 5 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

The bow wave of the Earth (through the solar wind) is called Aurora Borealis. How does that affect the weather? Cite studies or a significant body of data.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

i don't know that it does

though sky effects can themselves be considered weather

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

good edit. If "sky effects" alter the temperature, wind direction or speed, moisture content or precipitation then I guess they are weather.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

LOL. Is that mp3bear "Shy Effects" or the psychological phenomenum.

good edit. If "sky effects" alter the temperature, wind direction or speed, moisture content or precipitation then I guess they are weather.

[-] 1 points by flip (7174) 1 year ago

i do not think he is deliberately obtuse - i think that is how his mind works. my uneducated word for this is - stupid. i have had a few conversations (that is probably the wrong word for what we did) and they were similar to yours. i could not make sense of his responses and that led to him ranting - sounds like he works hard but lots of spinning going on - hopefully he is better at cooking than thinking.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So you deny that electrons are effected by magnetic fields, or that water contains electrons? Or even air for that matter? Unless you can disprove that, the rest can be done with a little math between volume, density, and field intensity. Get a grip homeboy, or are you going to try and disprove the fundamentals of electric generators?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?

Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I asked you about magnetism and electrons. That is the subject, read the OP. Since you aren't dumb enough to challenge basic physics (wise move), I think this conversation is over.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

You remain evasive in your dissembling, even as you duck and run! It's over when I dismiss you.

Dismissed!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I love science!. You have many interesting points regarding the planetary science that might affect the climate.

I wonder if we might just seperate all those excellent points for a moment and go on the record with a statement of agreement that Pollution is bad!

We are all against pollution, right? And we all agree that we MUST cut pollution!

Can we agree on that!?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Agreed!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

i expected you might be reasonable. I will await Richards response, although he is frequently just offensive and unreasonable.

We'll see.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?

Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Don't change the subject child! You can't hide your ignorance and the obtuseness that exacerbates it, by such childish evasions. We're talking about the weather and your inability to connect global warming to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. Are you Delts all business majors?

Remember, the limit as GPA approaches zero in Electrical Engineering is Business Administration. So far that's the only thing for which you've offered any proof.

[-] 2 points by LoveChild (18) 1 year ago

Truth.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

what's in the air effects the air

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Off topic!

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Great post. What's the difference between Libs jumping on a crisis like Sandy to boost their cause vs Cons jumping on something like the Underwear bomber to push their Patriot Act vision?

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

"Sandy" and "Underwear" should never be together. Even in a sentence.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

LOL

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

None

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Something else to consider. Yep - the shifting magnetic poles. The current picture of the earths magnetic field is pretty chaotic. The field is becoming broken in it's areas of influence ( perhaps not the best way to state it ). Pictures of the earths magnetic field shows areas of instability and positive/negative shifts. What happens if we are experiencing a magnetic pole reversal? There is conjecture that the earths protective magnetic field/envelop may collapse drastically for an unknown period of time. Are we looking into what to do if and when that happens?

Shielding of some type for dwellings live stock farming?

What will this do to our climate in general?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

The magnetic field and ionosphere protect us from potentially deadly solar radiation. But I don't understand what the magnetic field has to do with storms or weather patterns in general. And I know quite a bit about electricity and magnatism. What kind of effects are you talking about? Can you refer to a specific study or body of data?

Really cool image up there!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I think you want to refer that question to RKG - his post.

Other than the collapse of our protective envelop which would open us up to direct effect by solar radiation in a poll reversal - the solar wind - I am not really sure what other effects the shifting magnetic poll would cause.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1307) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

sorry. wrong number.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No prob.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I don't buy into such drastic notions as such behavior has not been observed in any region of the observable universe. Magnetic fields are or are not chaotic and any transition happens over long periods of time. At worst, all compasses will need re-calibration but by then we will all be on GPS. Since shipping already uses GPS, I can't see it even interfering with commerce. It's just a factoid and something people should be aware of.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You brought up the subject.

If it has nothing to do with nothing ( in your opinion ) - then why even bring it up?

There is evidence of past reversals - evidence found in old lava flows that locked in the evidence that the field was different at the time the lava flowed and cooled. This evidence as well as the current chaotic picture of earths magnetic field has sparked much theorizing as to what may be expected as the process happens.

Also - scientists do not know how long this current shift has been happening. One reason vulcanology ( the study of past flows ) has gained interest.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I brought it up because it will have an impact on the weather, not necessarily the climate. I didn't say it has nothing to do with nothing, I was just pointing out that it isn't a reason for panic. Climate change however, is a reason to panic. But, Sandy is likely a result of pole shift, not climate change.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Pole shift is shown on every navigation chart produced. It is measurable, and was predictable. I believe there was a slight aberration, or speeding up in the last two years, which upset aeroplane landings, because despite the obvious advantages of GPS, it can't be relied upon 100% of the time.

Historically, there has been at least one total reversal of the poles in the life of the planet. Perhaps that finished off the dinosaurs, though I've also read that a massive impact from a meteor was responsible for both. Fossil evidence found in sea-floor sediments shows massive extinctions and death of organisms reliant on magnetic navigation.

The crust of our planet rides upon a fluid molten core, and it is quite possible for a total reversal to happen in a matter of minutes. There'd be no need to worry about protecting ourselves or our homes, as very few people would be lucky enough to be in a position to survive such a shift. A tsunami miles high would be the end of most of us, and what we've built.

Perhaps people working deep underground would be the genesis of our next attempt to conquer the Earth. The massive shale deposits off the coast of America are thought to be the remnants of a massive forest, flattened by the last tsunami event, and buried under layers of sediment spread by the waves that circled the globe for months after the tsunami.

We are passengers on this lump of rock. We don't even really know how long people have been on this rock.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 1 year ago

The crust rides upon the mantle, not the core.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

It has been postulated over the last two decades that the core may actually be similar to a star with a giant nuclear reactor(s) at or close to the core.

Georeactor

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

There must be some explanation for the magnetic sheild the planet produces. The atmospheric envelope is unique within our solar system.

Assumptions that molten iron makes up the bulk of our earth's core are as valid as any, simply because we don't have any means to prove otherwise. What we can prove, is that the crust is mobile, and has been for a long time.

The highest mountain ranges on the planet are simply the edges of the tectonic plates pushing against eachother. To my mind, that would indicate that what lies beneath the crust of the earth is shrinking, which lends credibility to the reactor theory, Richard.

Such a shame we've only three score and ten more years to observe it.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

You're scaring me. I want to move to Tibet, or Denver now.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'd be more scared of the Yellowstone caldera, Steve.

That sucker is still bubbling, and is potentially more powerful than maybe a hundred Hiroshimas.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

That worriesme also. If the yellowstone volcano erupts you can say good bye usa. What's really scary is the reports of fracking causing earthquakes which could cause an eruption.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yes, though it has erupted before. A caldera is what's left behind after a super-volcano literally blows out so completely, that the mountain-top gets blown all over the continent.

Fracking is so fraught with negative possibles, I'm surprised it ever got the go-ahead. I've recently heard that fracking companies are no longer required to clean up their own mess, even when they cause a disaster. This, of course, protects the interests of shareholders and investors, meaning the 1%.

Must be real handy owning your own senate, congress, and president.

[-] 1 points by ArnolfoAsako (25) from Salem, NJ 1 year ago

Interesting..