Forum Post: more questions to the OWS haters
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 21, 2011, 10:13 a.m. EST by Teamster
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I don't agree with everything OWS says but I do see something is wrong. Does anyone who hates OWS think the bailouts were ok? Does anyone who hates OWS think the NDAA is ok? Does anyone who hates OWS think its ok for companies like GE to not pay any taxes at all? Does anyone who hates OWS care that someone who works but can not afford heathcare could die if they got realIly sick? Does anyone who hatesyou OWS care that these big companies just payoff politicians to pass bills for them? And you can't just blame obama cause he is only part of it. You have to blame every president before him too who led us in this direction.
The questions you ask are irrelevant as to why people don't like or trust OWS; OWS has morphed from an anti-corruption movement to a hotbed of far-left ideologues and conspiracy truthers. This forum is filled with any and every topic except those that you asked about. The questions you asked were valid at the begining and many of your grievances are those of the TEA Party as well, but as the TEA Party is right, OWS seems to hate them as they are left. It is not the issues, it is the politics that create the divide.
In reality the tea party looks like it stands for something good but if the government was not involved like they are now the big businesses would without a doubt run everything and unions would be gone. Salaries would drop and americans would be extorted just to get garbage picked up at you house or for your kids to get educated. Even to get a fire put out would cost you. I love to hear people say well it would cause more people to start a buisness and lower prices because of competition. But then look at healthcare they don't lower the prices to compete. They know you need it and everyone can get rich. Why don't doctors really compete to get you to see them cause they all agree to charge pretty much the same to stay rich.
Actually the doctors are hurting. It is the insurance companies who decide how much time a MD can spend with each patient. These days becoming a doctor doesnt mean some big high rolling life. The malpractive insurance they pay is thru the roof. The Ins companies and the pharmaceutical companies pretty much rule the MD industry except for the specialists.
I don't agree with everything OWS says either. I however think that on of the root causes lies in the entitlement programs that have been set up over the years.
Those are some really damn good questions.
Still waiting..........because those really damn good questions deserve really damn good answers.
2.To a point, yes
Nope. That's one of the problems I have with OWS. The companies who used to be on Wall Street have left. They are shouting at empty buildings. While what happened with all of the money sucks, there are companies such as GE, Pepsico, and Coke who pay nothing or very little in tax, while the small business owner has to give it up. These companies also kill people and communities. OWS doesn't want to acknowledge that though. For them, it's all about the money.
I do care. I was one of them(I owe my local hospital over 10 grand from such a situation). Then I got a job with benefits.
5.Nope. They have the money. Politicians like money, so there's nothing I can do about it.
So you agree where some of the money went was bad. How is the NDAA good?? So you think a movement is good just where they are is bad. Cost of healthcare is bad. I have signed a petition that I saw a link to from this website to get money out of politics so there is something you can do. So you are for an occupy movement just not wall street. So look up occupy DCs website. I thank you for answering the questions by the way.
I said the NDAA was good, to a point. It's been in effect for the past ~50 years. I live by the old saying, "if you aren't doing anything, don't worry". There are bad points to it, too. It depends largely on who calls the shots. I've been investigated by my local police, the FBI, and the ATF. Four times. After each interview, I was followed for a few months, and then that was it. I knew they were there. I'm sure they knew I knew, but because I wasn't doing anything that they could put a finger on, they left me alone. Now, if I got interviewed and went out to sling crack, I'd be on the ground in a heartbeat. Kind of a meandering story, but I think you get what I mean.
The cost of healthcare is through the damn roof. You gotta pay doctors, meds, lawsuits, bills for them to keep the lights on, etc before you even think about leaving.
The petitions you talk about are all over the White House page. Nobody important looks at those. The reasons being that anyone can create one, which means there are probably 30-40 more petitions out there about the same thing. Another reason is fraud. It's easy to get over 10,000 signatures from 10,000 different IP addresses. It will take roughly 3 days. Long, boring explanation short, it's called a zombie virus. Try to get some in ink, and then present it to your local government. It's a lot easier to make impact locally than nationally.
Now for the movement. I understand it's a bunch of people who are sick of getting screwed. I don't like it, my friends don't like it, no one does. My main beef with this whole thing is these groups show up, start a ruckus, do a bunch of illegal stuff, and then cry that the cops treat them unfairly when they openly disobey them because they have numbers. There are others, who instead of squatting in parks, talk to representatives, plan things with the city, and actually make some headway. The cops leave em alone and everyone's happy. These groups are the ones people will listen to. The others are setting your movement back.