Forum Post: I am a real OWS supporter are you?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 18, 2011, 8:58 p.m. EST by HitGirI
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I stand in a park with a sign that says Occupy. I am protesting the mythical 1%, I cannot tell you what the 1% is, except that its people who are rich, republican, and disagree with me. They stole money from me somehow through a thing called "profits" they used "corporate greed" and they are called "bankers". They are the devil.
Every economic downturn needs scapegoats. The germans had jews, the Cambodians had educated people, OWS has bankers.
If you really are an OWS activist (as distinct from a supporter) you are most definitely the least highly evolved OWSer I have ever met. Most OWSers that I encounter don't necessarily see bankers and the super rich as personally evil, only that their material interests are contrary to that of the vast majority, who themselves are only just awakening from a decades long sleep during which they tended to identify with the very people who were oppressing and exploiting them,
Of course another change of the definition of the mythical 1%. Ok then who are the 1% oppresseors? This answer is always changing. Please don't tell me how much smarter you are because you went to "college." Every OWS "activist" seems to think that explaining they went to college makes whatever they say as fact instead of providing details. For a bunch of college educated folks you guys aren't very intelligent.
For an ugly Doppelganger Troll, you are particularly schtoopid ;-(
I am in a gang
Yeah. "The $chtoopids" ...
Were tough represent Oaktown fool
Are you trying to say something with that (random?) collection of words or was that merely a manifestation of just another spasm in your damaged brain ?!
Gang represent
So why don't you join us and straighten us out? OWS is a very open movement and there are GAs and occupations in virtually every state, I have been to 5 different occupations and they were all very welcoming to a wide variety of view points,
Except opposing view points
Well of course, if you are fundamentally opposed to the values of OWS as well as its strategies and tactics, there really would be no point in your trying to involve yourself in OWS except as a provocateur or wrecker, But if that is the case I might ask why you bother to be on this site, which, while it is open, is not exactly friendly to views that are openly hostile to OWS either,
I want a socialist revolution where ultimately Chest Rockwell becomes the leader and I get rich somehow during it.
So you're not really interested in a serious discourse even as an opponent of OWS, Bye.
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Unless you understand, just what it is that ows stands for- you are not an ows supporter- you are just some dumb person who carries a sign. and by the way ows is a movement for all of the world, not just new york city. http://tinyurl.com/6lkzgbk
I know the leader chest rockwell and he says your banished
i see she's nuts- sorry
Chest says your out, Don't come to any rallies either or you will be singled out as part of the 1% he says. You are the 1% now.
GUIDE FOR DEMONSTRATORS
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http://demaa.org/sites/default/files/aclus_guide_for_protesters.pdf
excerpt: GUIDE FOR DEMONSTRATORS First Amendment Activity And Potential Consequences You have a constitutionally protected right to express your views in public spaces. This includes sidewalks, parks, as well as other locations that the government has opened up to similar speech activities, such as the plazas in front of government buildings. Because these and other activities are constitutionally protected, there is little risk of arrest when holding signs, leafleting, marching (or standing still) and chanting, drumming, singing or dancing when demonstrating. Some activities are illegal, and you can be arrested for them. Since Police Officers usually warn demonstrators to stop if they believe that the demonstrators are engaging in illegal activities, demonstrators will sometimes participate in activities that may subject them to arrest without being arrested. There is some risk of arrest nonetheless. Other demonstrators engage in peaceful but unlawful activities to be arrested as a form of protest called “civil disobedience.” A short list of activities engaged in at demonstrations is provided below. Other http://simurl.com/mavtad
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I think the continuous stream of new trolls is really just the same few people creating new accounts and spamming this forum.
HitGirl is probably Grownup, and both are likely FriendlyObserverA
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@ GF : Frankly, in 'the light' of this Trollish Forum-Post - your's is the definitive post and riposte.
I recently had an exchange with the original 'HitGirl' (from CA, I believe) and she clearly and unequivocally alluded to a doppelganger.
Thanx for clearly clarifying this !! ;-)
The ugly truth. America's wealth is STILL being concentrated. When the rich get too rich, the poor get poorer. These latest figures prove it. AGAIN.
According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 98 percent of Americans, saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively.
The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion. In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009.
Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. In 1928, the rich were already way ahead. Still, they were given huge tax breaks. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated 44 percent of all United States wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the lower majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed.
Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a public works program, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, some US wealth was gradually transferred back down to the majority. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. By 1976, the richest 1 percent held less than 20 percent. The lower majority held the rest. And rightfully so. It was the best year ever for the middle and lower classes. This was the recovery. A partial redistribution of wealth.
Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own over 40 percent of all US wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes are sharing the rest. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause. If there is no redistribution, there will be no recovery.
Note: A knowledgable and trustworthy contributor has gone on record with a claim that effective tax rates for the rich were considerably lower than book rates during the years of redistribution that I have made reference to. His point was that the rich were able to avoid those very high marginal rates of 70-90% under the condition that they invested specifically in American jobs. His claim is that effective rates for the rich probably never exceeded 39% and certainly never exceeded 45%. My belief is that if true, those effective rates for the rich were still considerably higher than previous lows of '29'. Also that such policies still would have contributed to a partial redistribution by forcing the rich to either share profits and potential income through mass job creation or share income through very high marginal tax rates. This knowledgable contributor and I agree that there was in effect, a redistribution but disagree on the use of the word.
One thing is clear from recent events. The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. Book rates for the rich remain at all time lows. Their corporate golden geese are heavily subsidized. The benefits of corporate welfare are paid almost exclusively to the rich. Our Federal, State, and local leaders are sold out. Most of whom, are rich and trying to get even richer at our expense. They won't do anything about the obscene concentration of wealth. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.
For the good of society, stop giving so much of your money to rich people. Stop concentrating the wealth. This may be our last chance to prevent the worst economic depression in world history. No redistribution. No recovery.
Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, use any portion, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. Most major cities have daily call-in talk radio shows. You can reach thousands of people at once. They should know the ugly truth. Be sure to quote the figures which prove that America's wealth is still being concentrated. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.
I agree - the problem is systemic. The process of capital accumulation is the main driver off all actions in the world - demonizing the rich is akin to demonizing the poor and "government". It's a worthless endeavor. The problem is SYSTEMIC
We seem to be making our own moves against education. It's sign a deal with the devil for perpetual debt or go without an education.
You can be my athletics supporter.
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