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Forum Post: Democratic Socialist Rising Value

Posted 3 months ago on Nov. 12, 2017, 11:07 a.m. EST by gsw (3121) from Woodbridge Township, NJ
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Recent wins by Democratic Socialists--which is about time, and excellent news, as the democrat party is deaf and dumb, and can't wake up to needs of the people, caused by continued corporate ownership and roots. The Democratic Party has lost its way, is not democratic, and should be replaced with science-literate, common sense, true democratic people's party, we need more democratic socialist victories.






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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33408) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

The Democratic Party has lost its way, is not democratic, and should be replaced with science-literate, common sense, true democratic people's party, we need more democratic socialist victories

I agree. To do this - I think we need to have wide spread conversations ignited by use of social media to generate public understanding and a general public buy-in!

One example of how I am trying to get people to buy-in:

Hey! @GM @Ford @Chrysler I'm thinking that if u guys can't put out an electric version of every type of vehicle that u make that can match @Tesla's 500 to 600+ miles per charge. Maybe U can contract with @Tesla 2 use their technology. HEY ???


followed by:

Hey @Tesla ! What kind of growth do u think u could achieve by selling components as well as complete systems 2 USA business's? Is this not the sort of healthy economic and environmental growth that the USA critically needs to invest in?


followed by:

Any thoughts on this @NancyPelosi @keithellison @alfranken @amyklobuchar @SenWarren ? Aren't these t type of domestic trade deals that t USA should b interested n making happen? (c attached tweet 4 subject) American jobs growth n clean tech 4 a cleaner healthier environment.


followed by:

Truly consider this notion @NancyPelosi @keithellison @alfranken @amyklobuchar @SenWarren ! Is not economic health as well as environmental health major domestic security concerns?


followed by:

BTW @NancyPelosi @keithellison @alfranken @amyklobuchar @SenWarren, if u r confused as 2 what kind of economic & environmental health boon I am referring 2 as well as needed domestic trade deal health? Open t tesla link https://www.tesla.com/semi/


followed by:

Get in on t conversation @SenateDems @LibDems @HouseDemocrats ! U know u really need 2 make amends 2 t public 4 screwing them with sHillary in 2016. (so c t attached tweet bout tesla & get 2 work). U could also release a Dem tax proposal 4 t general public 2 consider.


followed by:

OH & on tht tax proposal u should put together 4 t public 2 consider? There should b no tax cuts 4 t wealthy few people as well as corporations. There should b real tax relief 4 t lower middle class & t working poor! Trickle down legislation should b Rescinded ! Never trickled !


followed by:

Seriously @SenateDems @HouseDemocrats ! U need 2 make amends 2 t general public with real acts supporting t general public. Give voters a reason to want 2 replace republicans with democrats. OH & it wouldn't hurt if u honestly embraced Bernie's 2016 campaign platform!


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33408) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Major breakthrough for electric vehicles ( Freight Haulers or Buses or passenger vehicles of all types) - is a major opportunity for Progressive Lobbying. TESLA goes to 500 mile range on Semi Freight Haulers)

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

''Marxism 101: How Capitalism Is Killing Itself'' w/Abby Martin & R.D.Wolff:

From your HuffPo link: ''Carter, a former Marine with fire-truck-red hair, instinctively recoiled from the panel, breaking his fall on his back. He ended up hurting his back so badly that he could not walk more than 50 feet at a time for the next three months.

''The injury was more than just painful and demoralizing: After Virginia rejected Carter’s application for workers’ compensation benefits, and his employer cut down his hours after he recovered, the situation inspired Carter to get involved in politics.

“Coming from that position of working a blue-collar job and being wronged by an employer, it was a very natural transition to say that an economic strategy that puts working people first, ahead of corporate interests, is the way to go to make life better for people,” Carter said.

''He became a dues-paying member of the Democratic Socialists of America and ran for a seat in Virginia’s state House of Delegates ― and on Tuesday, with help from fellow DSA members but virtually none from the state’s Democratic Party, Carter won his race by nearly 9 percentage points.

''The 30-year-old political newcomer had managed to easily unseat Del. Jackson Miller, the GOP state House Whip, who had outspent him more than 2-to-1.''

Thanx for this excellent & very revealing forum-post. Solidarity.

et per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

''Inequality Out of Control: The Average 1% Household Made Over $2.5 Million in the Past Year''

"Inequality, like a malignant tumor, is growing out of control, and the only response from Congress is to make it even worse."

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

''Edward S. Herman: Master of Dissent (1925–2017)'', by Jeff Cohen :

''One of the greatest and sweetest media critics ever, Edward S.Herman, has passed away. Ed was the main author of 'Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media' ... written with Noam Chomsky'' & in probably his last article ...

Vale ESH.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Note - ''We’re living in a time of economic babble, where politicians and economists throw out words like “reform,” “privatize,” and “austerity” to prop up corrupt capitalist opportunists. So says our guest this week,economist Dr.Michael Hudson, author of 'J is for Junk Economics'.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"From Debt Peons To Wage Slaves'', by Dr. Michael Hudson:

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

''A journey through a land of extreme poverty: welcome to America'' ...

''The UN’s Philip Alston is an expert on deprivation - and he wants to know why 41m Americans are living in poverty. The Guardian .. joined him on a special two-week mission into the dark heart of the world’s richest nation.''

fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

''The History of Neoliberal Economics'' with Dr.Michael Hudson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZzH8xxCzR0 (26:12)

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22827) 1 month ago

26 minutes to learn how we got here. Trenchant and renegade economist, Michael Hudson, explains how the structure of our neoclassical economic system that we live under today, came to be, out of the ideology of neoliberalism, and how the academic study of economics is failing us, and what we can do about it.


Thanks for that link and Happy New Year to you and yours.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

"But How Will We Pay for It?" : Modern Monetary Theory and Democratic Socialism'' ... by Sean Keith and Alexander Kolokotronis:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22827) 1 month ago

Modern Monetary Theory & Democratic Socialism. Fascinating article. A real economic plan for going forward.

From http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/43082-but-how-will-we-pay-for-it-modern-monetary-theory-and-democratic-socialism

"To counter this distressing vision, we as individual members of Democratic Socialists of America call forth a vision of maximal democracy that can be operationalized through a heterodox economics framework. We envision a democratic socialism with four policies at its core that each appeal to distinct constituencies:

  1. Medicare for All: All would have universal access to health care, with a structure that also allows for effective input by patients, medical practitioners and other stakeholders.

  2. Multi-Stakeholder and Workers' Self-Managed Job Guarantee: The state creates unemployment by imposing a monetary survival-constraint through various financial obligations (such as taxes, duties, fees, fines, etc.). One partial but significant solution to unemployment issues is that a job be offered to anyone who wants one. Yet, for democratic socialists, this job must approximate from and towards socialist relations of production -- rather than hierarchical exploitative relations of production, as was common under many prior experiments in state-socialism.

  3. Financing Enterprise Conversions to Democratic Employee-Ownership: Due to a wave of 2.34 million retiring Baby Boomer small business owners, nearly 25 million workers could lose their jobs over the next 10 years. What would otherwise amount to a crisis could amount to an opportunity to save jobs and create millions of enterprises that operate according to "one worker, one vote." Furthermore, soon-to-be retirees would have be given financial exit options that preserves their legacy and can only amount to an extension of community.

  4. Free Public University: Degrees and certifications are increasingly structuring employment. As MMT demonstrates, the issue is not one of fiscal means, but technical. The casualization of academic labor shows there rapidly growing pool of educators available to meet the growing desire for university instruction.

Unlike the claims of Soviet economists and social scientists, job satisfaction surely is important if one wants to create a truly democratic socialist society. And such a society will only exist if workers not only own the means of production, but also have control in and through the management of their workplaces and lives at large. MMT and heterodox economics paves the path forward for us to get there."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 weeks ago

Xcellent Xcerpt! Backs Dr. Hudson's analysis almost totally ...

  • ''Michael Hudson: The History of Neoliberal Economics'' :

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZzH8xxCzR0 -& which is,

  • almost the best use of twenty-six minutes, that I can imagine!

  • Well Worth Watching; more than once & several times even!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

''Conflict can destroy movements. We must fight the system, not each other''by Erica Garner (RIP)

sic transit gloria mundi ...


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22827) 1 month ago

RIP Erica Garner. Very sad day for activism. She was a one-of-a-kind young lady who saw through the deep establishment. She never gave up.

Perhaps one lesson we can learn from her is that division is what holds us back from achieving even the smallest victories. From her article above she speaks of one divisive moment and I think there is a huge lesson in that moment for all of us who call ourselves activists:

She writes:

"When we approached the spot where Officer Panteleo killed my dad, we stopped and held hands. I explained the need for unity, not just for my dad, but for black lives everywhere. As we activists fight each other, our opposition – from killer cops to corrupt elected officials – upholds this broken system and covers up injustices.

I know that the system rewards people who don’t deserve it because Daniel Donovan, the district attorney who mishandled the Panteleo’s grand jury case and gave immunity to all but one of the officers involved, now enjoys a seat in Congress. I know this because the newly elected district attorney, Michael McMahon, accepted the endorsement of Pat Lynch (the Police Benevolent Association President who blamed protestors like me for the assassination of two officers and encouraged what everyone in New York City knew as a police work slow-down) and refused to reconvene a new grand jury. I know this because my Foil requests – everyone’s Foil requests – keep getting denied. I know this because my father is dead and Panteleo’s still on NYPD’s payroll.

But right after my honest plea for peace and unity, all hell broke loose. While we stood on the very spot my dad was murdered, all anyone could do was argue over who got credit for the event. For 20 minutes, the demonstration devolved into name-calling and finger-pointing."

There it is, activists acting out for their own egos, own agendas. We'll get nowhere if we keep that up.

So, think hard as the year turns to 2018 about privilege, poverty, inequality, opportunity or lack thereof, ego, community, society, etc. and let's try to find a way forward....together.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

''Erica Garner Was 'Unbought and Unbossed' - in Push for Justice After Her Father Died in NYPD Chokehold''

Thanx for the excerpt & wise words bw. Solidarity and best wishes for 2018. RIP Eric AND Erica Garner.

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22827) 1 month ago

Childhood poverty leaves it's mark on adult genetics.

There is a vicious cycle of poverty, stress and environmental issues that affect genes and are passed down through generations causing health problems. It's called epigenetics.


"Although children in rich and poor households have very similar sets of genes, the scale of adversity at home dictates which combinations of those genes are switched on or silenced through a process called epigenesis – presumably to maximise the chance of survival."


"Genes and immune system shaped by childhood poverty, stress: New research has revealed that childhood poverty, stress as an adult, and demographics such as age, sex and ethnicity, all leave an imprint on a person's genes. And, that this imprint could play a role in our immune response."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

The Prison Industrial Complex then goes on to further compound the fact that .. "There is a vicious cycle of poverty, stress and environmental issues that affect genes and are passed down through generations causing health problems. It's called epigenetics.''! Thank you very much bw, for those two very important links, which I hope other readers will read & in compliment to your links & in corroboration of my opening clause, please consider ...

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1991) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Maybe the Dems will eschew their neo liberal treachery and earn the votes they believe they deserve. Once upon a time they were not tools of the conservative masters.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33408) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Perhaps the Dems (establishment) will wake-up - when they continue to lose seats in gov. That being seats held by the wealthy few and by those who side with them to continue to mainly cater to the wealthy few. But I'll not hold my breath - when it is clearly obvious to a vast portion of the public that the DNC openly SHIT on the general public in 2016 to support one of the wealthy few (sHillary Rotten Clinton) and now strenuously ACT (INSIST) as though they did nothing wrong!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

The one thing we can always count on is the the Greens will divide the vote and help the GOP win, that we can always count on...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

it will depend on what the people that are in the Party do, the people participating in democracy will determine the future...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

Nice story about a huge Democratic win the person who won ran as a Democrat, that is a really good way for progressives to win, I'd love to see more progressives run as Democrats like this young man did.

Oh and "gsw" you are practicing that tried and true conservative method of lying, this is where I talk about truth and how useless it is you see this person who won did so as a Democrat you imply they ran on some stupid ego whore third party ticket because that lie serves your purpose and the truth does not.

The truth has power your politically motivated lies serve only to divide us and make the right stronger.

Member House of Delegates (050) Results by Locality 16 precincts of 16 (100.00%) reporting Candidate Votes Percent

Lee J. Carter Democratic 11,364 54.33%

Jackson Hunter Miller Republican 9,512 45.48%

Write-In 40 0.19% Last Modified on 11/09/2017 03:37 PM

[-] 0 points by gsw (3121) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 3 months ago

Lee J. Carter is an American politician and IT specialist who was born in Elizabeth City, North Carolina.[1][2] On November 7, 2017 he was elected to the Virginia House of Delegates for the 50th district.[3] He defeated Jackson Miller, the Republican House Majority Whip.[4] He is a member of the Democratic Party and a former Marine.[5] He is a self-described democratic socialist and was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, of which he is a member, for his 2017 election bid. -- Wikipedia

Seems a good way to defeat republicans period.... go progressive



Carter was inspired to run after receiving a shock while repairing a lighting system in the summer of 2015 and subsequently struggling to receive workers compensation from Virginia while unable to work. Before choosing to run, Carter had long identified as "...to the left of where the Democratic party [is]..." but was further inspired by Bernie Sanders to explore democratic socialism.[4]

Carter's campaign mostly focused on issues such as single-payer healthcare and financial contributions to politicians. Jackson Miller, the incumbent Republican, distributed a fearmongering mailer campaign by comparing Carter to Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong,[4][6][7] an act condemned by the Democratic Party of Virginia.[7] Miller referred to Carter as an "anti-jobs candidate" with "...ideas...out of the mainstream...".[8]

Carter won the race by nine percent of the vote.[9] Carter was one of fifteen members of the Democratic Social

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

The Green Party political hacks still lurk on the site attacking any who would challenge the GOP.

[-] 2 points by gsw (3121) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 3 months ago
[-] 1 points by gsw (3121) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 3 months ago

GAllup poll 61 percent think we need a new party? http://news.gallup.com/poll/219953/perceived-need-third-major-party-remains-high.aspx

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly twice as many Americans today think a third major party is needed in the U.S. as say the existing parties do an adequate job of representing the American people. The 61% who contend that a third party is needed is technically the highest Gallup has recorded, although similar to the 57% to 60% holding this view since 2013. Barely a third, 34%, think the Republican and Democratic parties suffice.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

Has Gallup polled how many people would like to win the lottery? I bet its a big number but doesn't change the odds. The way to get the government we want is to take over the Democratic Party any splitting of the vote on election day just serves to elect the GOP, you can call yourself a Democratic Socialist or on the right they call themselves "tea party" but on election day they are all Republicans just as we must all be Democrats.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3121) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 3 months ago

Inequality may lead to revolution, scientific study https://www.inverse.com/article/38457-inequality-study-nature-revolution

[-] 1 points by grapes (5091) 3 months ago

"House Democrats lack a positive message and are completely unwilling to work across the aisle, so instead they've decided to support a baseless radical effort that the vast majority of Americans disagree with,"

Maybe it will just be yet another rotation spinning the wheels getting nowhere because the above quote fits verbatim in Obama's Presidency except with the two parties exchanged. Recall the budget battles (shutting down the Government [e.g., pissing off the would-be-tourists of our national parks and forcing people to cancel trips abroad by Not processing passports] shooting multi-billion-dollar holes in the Treasury's pocket), the sequestration (manifesting in the Seventh Fleet's deadly nightime snafus), PPACA (now NO more Pee-Pee Patient Protection in the front leading but with Trumpian-size littlefinger erection of premium inflation to shag the idiots), and "repealing Obamacare" HUNDREDS of times for seven-plus years to NO avail even after Obama had left and the Inbreds had gained the majority in both houses of CON-gress).

Frankly, I was greatly impressed by the French and Russian Revolutions, how red they were, especially to the royalties, so despite my doubts, I would look forward to the sanguine prospect as any good old movie watcher indulging in voyeuristic pleasure should (such as the extremely clean-cut French-haute-cuisine industrial-quality Wall-Street-musical ka-ching...)

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

Electing Republicans may lead to greater inequality, no revolution in Mexico yet....

While it is true enough inequality could lead to revolution but we are at least 100 years away from that, if OWS had not been out there talking like Trump talking about Nazis when they talked about politics with their "there are good people on both sides" bullshit we would have already had a revolution, then, then Greens infected OWS and killed it.

The Greens completely co-opted OWS and killed it nobody will EVER give a shit about the Greens and now nobody gives a shit about OWS.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5091) 3 months ago

Mother Nature is on the side of the Greens. Hurricanes Harvey (Texas), Irma (Florida), and Maria (Puerto Rico) all hit the U.S. in the same season in rapid succession. It's a bit much, don't you think - even after Irene and Sandy had already adjusted my expectations? More and stronger hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico is exactly what long-term climatic models had predicted for a warming Earth.

Being a firm believer in the Power of God to save any sinning mortals through erythrobaptism, I believe that a star (an asteroid?) and the Abyss (our supervolcano at Yellowstone floating the North American continent up?) will put up a skyshield to cool the Earth down (followed by "locusts") as prophesied millennia ago. We just have to pay the price as stipulated by God. Since we are very hemorich, we can afford it. Amen!

The Earth endures forever. God Trumps Mother Nature and Physics. Golden shower came first. Then shit comes after the pooting.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1991) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

And it's much more than storms and rising seas! Better learn to hold your breath for a long time.


[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

the Greens have wort great weather upon the Earth with their defeat of Al Gore in 2000 I would say they are chiefly responsible for the weather you mention as well

of course the Greens couldn't do it without their heroes the GOP.....

[-] 1 points by grapes (5091) 3 months ago

Yeah, right, aim the golden shower at the orange-red spin to Demonkrapts with a glorious hymn like this: "An unbreakable union of free republics, Great Russia (transgender-female? 'mother'-land) has welded forever to stand!" I fear the "weld"-ing "forever" of my instrument of God. A dog feels safer with a redhot fire hydrant in S. Iberia.