No offense but this sounds an awful lot like bait. We already have a leader, the fact that everyone needs to unite against this force that is raping us, our government, and the planet.
That's the leader, just make it happen. They're going to milk our existence to the last drop, buying time and leading us on, unless we can stop messing around and organise this mass strike for democratic regulation. Anyone avoiding a means to that end is obviously counterintelligence, bribed, working for big money and autocratic power, such as oh nevermind.
Shot at cops=innocent
Speaking of organized crime ( for profit health care ) it's connections/depth/actions:
MoveOn is being threatened with legal action by the state of Louisiana after we bought a billboard criticizing Governor Bobby Jindal for preventing 242,000 Louisianans from accessing Medicaid.
In politics, a frivolous lawsuit or the threat of it—combined with a smart reaction—can be a golden opportunity. On the other hand, the wrong reaction can be disastrous. That's why what we do now—which is dependent on you—is so important.
Here's what happened: This week, MoveOn put up billboards in red states criticizing Tea Party governors for refusing federal funds to expand Medicaid. The billboards are working really well, and are getting a ton of press coverage.
Now, the Republican lieutenant governor of Louisiana wants us to take down a billboard criticizing Governor Jindal—who has presidential ambitions—because it's a takeoff on the state's tourism slogan, "Pick Your Passion." This is a blatant attack on free speech. A state government isn't entitled to use trademark law to censor citizens who want to criticize the state for its heartless and stupid policies.
The good news is, legal action like this can be a dream when it comes to focusing press coverage on the need for Medicaid expansion. If we take this on from a position of strength, unapologetically doubling down on our Medicaid campaigning right now—while preparing to vigorously defend ourselves against a potential lawsuit—we can score a big win.
On the other hand, if we let Louisiana Republicans bully us into silence, then we could face similar legal battles in every other state where we put up billboards. We're committed to standing up to bullies. But to do that, it's crucial that we have the resources to take this on and win.
Can you chip in $3?
Yes, I can contribute $3.
With your help, we'll expose these legal threats for the sham that they are, and leverage them to put even more pressure on Jindal and other right-wing governors who are refusing to accept federal funding for Medicaid—which is pure politics at its worst.
Under Obamacare, 100% of the costs of Medicaid expansion are covered by the federal government for three full years—and then 90% forever after that. There's no reason for any governor to say no—except for naked partisanship.
Now that we know this campaign is getting under Republicans' skin, the way to win this is to go all-in—by vigorously defending MoveOn against any potential lawsuit, doubling down on our campaigning, putting up more billboards, running more ads, getting more press, and doing what it takes to make our voices heard. In fact, this threat of legal action could be a golden opportunity: It could earn a ton of press for Medicaid expansion and shine a spotlight nationally on the real human costs of Republican extremism.
That strategy's going to cost money. But the cost of legal fees and ads could pale in comparison to the free publicity for Medicaid expansion from a baseless lawsuit.
Are you in?
If Republicans think they can shut up MoveOn members with baseless lawsuits—they're dead wrong. MoveOn won't quit campaigning until we expose the full truth about the despicable human cost of refusing to expand Medicaid and all 50 states expand Medicaid. But we do need your help to defend ourselves—and keep our campaigning going.
Thanks for all you do.
–Victoria, Bobby, Matt P., Rosy, and the rest of the team
no, the fact is it can happen here, it just hasn't happened here yet. As I said, there have been concrete steps taken in that direction, and there has been some retreat from some of those steps - and as yet things like indefinite detention has not been applied in any wide spread and systematic way against dissent.
the behavior of Darrell Issa may fit the bill but his kind of behavior is far from universal throughout the political or judicial systems.
From your article:
"Overall, the measure expands the FBI's powers to conduct secret searches, intercept phone calls and obtain information on terrorism suspects from businesses and libraries while concealing the existence of an investigation."
It's here dude. Convincing yourself that its not "yet" is only avoiding the uncomfortable truth that we have all been horribly played and continue to be so.
Edit: I think the difference me and you may be speaking of is simply the brutality of which the state comes down on its own dissenters.
I don't see anything major happening in terms of crushing dissent until we actually start acting in such manner. Occupy was a drop in the bucket compared to what large scale dissent looks like.
When the time has come that drones over our heads is a guarantee, and msm outlets like CNN are openly debating killing US citizens abroad (for now).... That time is now my friend. It's here.
You may be simply looking for more extreme instances off of the last ones, of which there will always be a "could be worse" example.
All I'm saying is that the word is used all over the globe, and yet we have been trained here the ol USA to think its this complex, specific, cant-happen-here term.
Yes - much - MUCH - LOUDER
No I can't - the caps lock is not on.
It is purely speculation on my part, but I think pointing them out does have an impact - but we need to be much, much louder.
I gave you something very specific. It included a revival of portions of the Patriot Act and you could easily interpret from my remarks the application of indefinite detention to US citizens engaged in dissent.
I have called for some very specific forms of protest during my time on this forum, here are three:
On Civil Disobedience and Direct Action
It has been said we should take up arms
Direct Action - Proposal before the committee: A Demonstration of Tongues
there may likely be others. Like I said - I'm not dead yet.
go bother someone else.
"If you have the privilege to travel across the country to get arrested, use it to take some pressure off people of color fighting for their lives instead of helping some big non-governmental organization put out another press release."
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for anyone who has family or a relationship to do this, and for those that don't its not cheap to travel. Yes, even a $150 bus ticket and meals can add up quickly.
With that being said, any suggestions for those who have prior commitments?
All the more reason to point out seditious bastards working against the constitution as priorities to be removed from office - if this country is ever gonna work for the people and a healthy environment/world. It is not a job for any single individual - as aptly shown in the last 5+ years. It is a job for an involved population with proper representation in all aspects of government.
I've given you concrete examples of what I believe is modern day fascism.
You have replied with "go read a book" and "its systemic"
Sounds like the usual philosopher stuff these days. Nothing concrete, no examples, nothing. Just vague philosophy.
And a declaration that the other one is wrong.
I'm not dead yet. Therefore there is nothing to ponder.
I'm sure that makes little sense to you. But then again, you haven't really been listening.
An outsider would probably take what you just listed as a good example of this current situation looks like.
The fact most don't think its here "yet" could very possibly show just how systemic it already is. Something to ponder.
Judging from the performance of the current President I would speculate that the office is not as powerful as some might expect - either that or the current President is far more circumspect in the application of power than the current era demands.
Well I will leave it at this:
If what I listed above does not constitute what 21st Century fascism looks like, I would hate to see what does. Perhaps it would take an all out war by the government on its own people and killing thousands in the street on a weekly or daily basis?
At which point I would probably classify it as all out revolution.
something a lot more systematic in terms of responding to dissent combined with a revival of portions of Patriot Act that have been eliminated, with application of these revived portions on artists, intellectuals, and dissent in general.
Of course, fascism need not necessarily be aimed at artists and intellectuals in particular. I for example could devise a program that disappeared libertarian capitalists and leave the artists to . . . you know . . . talk about it through their art . . . and thus help curb those libertarian capitalists that hadn't yet found a deep enough hole to hide in . . .
but generally Fascism requires something much more systemic, subverting the legal system in such a way that Fascism itself becomes a matter of Law and thereby bends both the political and the judicial systems toward the dictates of whatever Public/Private sector actors have taken control.
Like I said, there are books on the subject. You should read one.
Ya think maybe Bernie is aware of one or two who might be able to in time fill his shoes? And recommend them? Part of the next campaign - whoever is running ( for the people ) - should be pointing out the roadblocks to healthy growth/government that are currently holding office and enthusiastically pointing out good replacements to serve the public.
Yeah - I know - Huge Job - but the Presidency Is a huge job/responsibility.
well, now that you mention it . . . .
It's an interesting idea. I don't think it would work out very well, even if he did get elected. The reason I say that is we can see the depths of resistance that repelicans put up with Obama - it would be little different, and quite possibly worse, with Sanders. If he stayed true to form it could work, because you can be sure he would give them hell in no uncertain terms and that might blunt repelican efforts to curb him and his initiatives - Obama tried over and over to get the public involved but they only responded in a very limited way. If something about the interaction between Sanders as Pres and Congress were to radically change the way the public reacted then it could work.
But that's a big if - and there is no telling whether or not they might find a way of taking him out. Both Leahy and Daschel received anthrax letters . . .
In the Senate he is in a great position to give em hell, and because there are only one hundred votes there, his one has some real meaning, especially given the party split. He really is doing a great job there, and if he is planning on leaving then we need to find a replacement that can do as well.
Under the circumstances that seems to be asking a lot.
No kidding, and they all have a different interpretation, just like every other model/organization of society.
So what's yours?
BTW - TWEET
Bernie Sanders 4 President = YAY https://occupywallst.org/forum/in-defence-of-the-broad-church-of-socialism-from-t/#comment-1025392 … This was My comment to Him - can you also send Him support for a real run?
Books have been written on the subject - perhaps you should read one.
Don't repeat your comment to me - send a comment to Bernie on what should be part of his platform - you knob.
i'm not sure if property is not addressed
we will see significant change in the control of our economy
Send your own comment - what I sent is not the be all end all.