Forum Post: Clueless
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 7:54 p.m. EST by Jsnow
(11)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement
I just have to comment on how silly but dangerous you people are. Dont tell me I dont understand because I used to be like you...then I grew up. I see a group of spoiled white kids with too much time on your hands. For you ungrateful college kids you have been brainwashed by your profs. They are telling you capitalism has failed right? Ask them what their net worth is. Betcha its more than most of us. Ask yourselves were all your nifty gadgets come from. Your iphones, pcs, prius' and xboxs. They are brought to you by capitalism. It may come as a suprise but people are motivated by incentive not empathy. You can whine about fairness all you want but thats human nature. You aren' t going to change that. The only reason you are able to protest is because of the freedom of America which you choose to undermine. Im one of those working class Americans that you claim to represent. Bullshit. Ive worked harder in a day then most of you eggheads and hippies will in your whole life. Dont try to tell me you share my plight. You have no clue and you dont represent me. Im not a Republican or a Tea Partyer. But I stand shoulder to shoulder with them against YOU. You fools have no idea the hornets nest youhave stirred up. While you get your monthly checks from mommy and daddy to go to NY and piss on the country, the rest of us are here trying to make it! Your actions endanger my childrens future and I take that personal. Rethink your convictions because you better be ready to die for them....I am.
i love this "i used to be like you but then i grew up" .. dont even have to read any further, you know whats coming next: whining about human nature and advocating the powers that be. someone got "realistic" or in other words despaired.
you love capitalism because it made you work hard? good job in logical thinking there.
Capitalism didnt make me do anything. It provides my the chance to do everything. I work hard because thats what you do if you have pride in yourelf. You deride my statements dont really go anywhere with. Nobody here has even made a reason attempt to defend their actions. I believe most of you are good decent people. I understand your anger but its misdirected by those of you who are not so good. Most of you are casting about for a direction. A place. I get all that. Unless you your self formulated this "plan" did you stop to think what the effects would be if your goals are met. Commodities will be cheaper and more plentiful if you shut down industry. I mean how do you think stuff gets to the store? Magic? A group of selfless monks?! How many of you have to live in budget? And what happens when you dont or cant? What about if they stuck five extra people on your budget? A country is no different we cant pay for everythin and everyone. But when the economy is booming America has prove we can change the world! The economy wont work if we or government stand in the way. You want more better jobs? Then let big business bugaboo keep its money to invest in those jobs. What you people are doing is not helping. Yes you are endangering our futures. The countrys teetering and you want to give it one last shove. Yeah thanks.
"Then let big business bugaboo keep its money to invest in those jobs."
The fair share of taxes big business owes belongs to the people, not the business. By the way, these "job creators" are sitting on 20 billion dollars and they're not creating jobs. The "job creators" have had tax breaks since 2003 and we've lost a million jobs since then. There's no evidence 'trickle down' works.
work is creating all the stuff you claim to be capitalism. work is the essence of human reproduction, not capitalism. it is a mode of exploitation and i say to you what i say to the other fools on this planet: learn what capitalism is and dont claim it your tool just because that is the mode of production your born into. it is the tool of the ones that own property. and im not talking abour your playstation property, im talking serious property, means of production of this society.
And here in lies the problem...no one wants to work hard. This comment pretty much explains the entire "protest." I love capitalism because it makes me work hard and pays me for it, and gives me a sense of BELONGING and PURPOSE to what I'm doing.
it makes you work hard for a lousy wage while other people dont work at all and get bilions by "letting their money work". fool. capitalism is exploitation and when you have a sense of belonging and purpose that is because you are producing something that other people need, because you are following the necessity of being a human dependant on other humans, not because of capitalism. bet you cant even tell what capitalism is.
I stayed home and studied instead of partying all through high school and college. So first of all im not earning such a lousy wage right now. And I plan on working harder and harder to see that wage go higher and higher. Thats capitalism. And I bet you have absolutely no clue how the financial system works. Thanks to finance, we are able to operate as a first world nation. Finance takes money from dumb rich people and allocates it to smart poor people, like Steve Jobs, like the google execs, like every great business man/woman whose products I would guarantee you are using right now. Without the financial system technology and innovation would just not happen. Am I saying that it doesn't have its problems? No, it has huge problems, like EVERY SOCIAL SYSTEM. But calling for an end to it is not the solution.
oh you think 2nd and 3rd world nations dont have a financial system? thats just the kind of idiocy i expected in defense of this great system. did you not hear me? lots of people make milions and they never go to work. not even bothering about financing anything because they have workers to do that, so called managers. they get interest rates, they get dividends, they get rents by monopolizing the access to land and machines to their interests, by not letting anyone touch them unless hes generating a profit for them. you think goods dont exist if there is no capitalism. no wonder you take the end of capitalism as the end of the world. the system doesnt have problems, it follows it own needs of accumulation through circles of boom and crisis. you have problems in this system, that is the matter. and in crisis they become more clear when shit hits the fan and more people go out of work, more people become impoverished, NEW people become impoverished, more people dont see a future anymore. and all that while the fat cats flourish because their accumulation is still succeeding on your back, because you are their means and not they are yours. i stayed home and studied capitalism for 15 years when i have a free minute from work .. now im mad as hell and people like you make me even more mad. silly tools of the ruling interests, not thinking critically, not analyzing anything but full of morals and discipline, full of pride like the poster of this thread. full of blame and subordination. not a clue about what money is or value, what a wage is or a profit but their mouth wide open talking after the ruling interests of the system they live in and necessarily claiming corruption when their ass hits the ground in good faith.
That is what we call INVESTMENT, and if you ever took a single economics class you would know that investment is the driver of technology and innovation. And given technology and innovation are a pretty distinct difference between first world countries and third world countries, I would say that finance/investment are critical. Most third world countries do not have efficient financial systems, and the ones that do (typically in the form of microfinance) are in better shape.
Investment is literally the driver of everything around you. Your food, your computer, everything. You think Zuckerberg had the millions of dollars he needed to start Facebook? NO. The money came from big banks and other millionaires. Average people do not have the means to produce things like Facebook, or Apple. So if some fat rich guy is giving money to a bunch of young smart kids to start up Facebook, let him sit on that couch and collect that juicy interest rate all. day. long.
QED.
The lack of intelligence among the people involved in this protest is embarrassing, not to mention the level of hypocrisy. Listen, I will start taking you seriously when you turn off your computer, return your iPhone, and delete your Facebook account. That would be a start. Until that happens this group will continue to look like an envious bunch of fools with no real purpose.
SO SUCK IT
irrelevant blathering.
seriously, the people who are a danger to the future are the corporate oligarchy trippers and people like you. You endanger our futures and at this rate nobody has a future because of corporate oligarchy. you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are trolling.
Corporate oligarchy huh? Thats exactly what Im talking about. What a juvenile worldview. What about Congress? The Courts? The Fed? Seems like theyre the ones in charge.
the question is what form of government we have. The assorted puppets you mention do not change this and all are beholden to wall street and big $$$. So the form of government we ACTUALLY have is corporate oligarchy. Whats juvenile is to argue the point when political science and game theory pretty much nail it down. SEEMS like they are the ones in charge. SEEMS being the key point there.
Yes, the things we have (iPhones, PC's, Prius's and xboxes) are corporate products. It still doesn't give the government permission to marginalize our needs for the sake of the needs of corporations. I am a capitalist but at the same time I feel that it has gone a bit far.
Very simply, I would like to be confidant that my elected officials have me in mind when voting on matters. This is not the case.
So why the hell are you in Washington. You dint even know what you are saying!
Explain why I don't know what I am saying. Your response doesn't make much sense to me.
China is a totalitarian military dictatorship who engages in slave labor, child labor, unsafe working conditions, and environmental destruction. Because of these "free" trade characteristics many Americans can no longer find employment. If you have employment, count yourself lucky. These protesters are protesting a system in which multinational corporations are exploiting labor and the environment at the cost of American jobs. They have every right to protest and thank God someone finally has the stomach to stand up against a government that is destroying this country: you should thank them, not insult them!
China is not a free market. It is state capitalism. And why does China take our jobs? Because of reckless enviromental and economic policies from Washington. Protest Washington
China engages in slave labor, child labor, sweatshops. They're lack of regulation has allowed unmitigated exploitation of the environment by the corporations, to the point that it's no better than a cesspool. Our "reckless" environmental policies has saved us from the same fate so that we have things like "clean water", and "clean air", although corporate tools such as yourself are doing their best to make this country into a cesspool as well. Wake up Buddy... Rush Limbaugh and the corporate media have taken you for a ride... wake up before your water is contaminated and your air polluted the likes of which are in China. "Free" trade is not free: we need tariffs on imports from countries like China who destroy the environment in the name of profit and who exploit their workers. How much in tariffs? Enough to zero out the trade deficit with that country. THAT will create jobs in this country. We also need campaign finance reform to keep corporate money out of the pockets of greedy politicians so they represent the people, not corporations.
Exactly. We're just products of the world we live in, functioning with the tools that are available to us now.
We can't change the world in three weeks! Come back in 3 months, though. : )
Also, what is more dangerous is unchecked power....and blind trust...
Unchecked power is dangerous. There are crooks in wall street to be sure. But they cant force you to do business with them. Government on the otherhand can and does. Wheres the protest at the Capital? Wall street is a red herring to distract from the real crooks in Washington. I woke up a long time ago. Ive been on both ends of the political spectrum. I spent my who life seeking truth! Im not told who to hate or love. I watch peoples actions. So much is said about hating someone because of their race or sex or sexual orientation and I agree with all that. So its ok to hate by class or political inclination? Im not Republican because that party is part of the problem too. Yet you all sit outside of wallstreet with your iphones and good health. A lot of you attend college. Show me were so many people could enjoy that prosperity at once anywhere in history. Sure America is not perfect but it is as perfect as the humans run it. Until mankind is perfect than our institutions will reflect it
Yes they can. It was Wall Street that knowingly rated junk securities as AAA securities and sold them as AAA securities to unsuspecting pension funds, etc. The ratings agencies like Moodys, Standard and Poors, make more money from the banks the higher they rate the securities. In other words, a conflict of interest. Lower level analysts from these rating agencies have come forward to say that after analyzing securities and rating them appropriately, they were reprimanded by their superiors for giving too low a rating and they were made to change the ratings to AAA. Clearly the conflict of interest has corrupted the process and these rating agencies need to become part of the Treasury Department. So, you are incorrect, Wall Street had a huge impact on people that were 'forced to do business with them'.
Those are government sanctioned rating agencies that are no doubt corrupt. Bankers were doing their job legally and making money. This should be a protest in the streets of DC, not the streets of Manhattan.
That's incorrect, the government does not 'sanction' Moodys or Standard and Poors. The government does, however, have it's own system to rate insurance companies that do business with the federal government, but that is completely separate. The bankers were not doing their jobs legally because they worked in collusion with these private rating agencies to give out falsely high ratings (AAA) for securities they knew were junk, then selling these to unsuspecting pension funds, etc.
Your counter-argument could be that all pension funds, etc., needs to hire an expert to study the securities it is buying to make sure the banks did nothing illegal by falsely rating the securities. That would be analogous to every consumer buying an automobile having to hire an expert mechanic to make sure the auto dealership wasn't selling me a defective new car. The government would get after a car company if that company didn't call-in those defective vehicles, just like the government should get after a bank that sold defective securities to pension funds. Since the bankers/ratings agencies colluded and knowingly inflated the ratings, the Dpt. of Justice should prosecute those bankers and send their asses to jail!
I agree with you...but any time a non-government related party in involved in rating securities there will always be a conflict of interest...by government sanctioned I meant that government has allowed these agencies to be privatized which is a crime in itself. thats why i said you should be protesting washington. I think grouping the rating agencies in with bankers is wrong. Bankers were doing their jobs and making money, albeit at the sake of the economy, but operating legally nonetheless. Moody's and S&P were falsifying the performance of mortgage CDO's.
U MAD BRO?
I am like you but I support them. I have worked for everything I have only to watch it be abused by the rich and wall st...you need to get a clue. They are stealing from us everyday through power and lobbying which only lead to the destruction of the middle class...for all the tax breaks they have received where are all the jobs we were promised? The system is broken and society needs a wake up....you are an idiot.
Agreed he sounds like a paid troll.
Besided who makes these jobs? The job fairy? And who promised these jobs? It wasent wall street. Who needs a clue?
Give me one example were the "rich" have taken from you. More than you precious goverment has.
The "rich" have taken from all of us by not paying their share of taxes.
Do not listen to this fool. You kids are right. He is a Reublican.
I'm sure that there are plenty of Democrats opposing us as well.
So?
My point was that to dismiss you as a Republican simply because you oppose the movement is fallacious. There are plenty of Democrats I imagine within the 1% that this movement is upset with.
Thats the liberal way. When you cant debate shut them down by name calling. I never expected anything more...lady you dont know a thing about me
Yes, because your post contained absolutely NO name-calling and was sooo respectful!
U A LIBERAL BRO?
More than u know
Look at how many names you called people you don't even know? By your own definition you are the biggest Liberal on this post.
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
Click on it, see all the "rich white ungratefull college kids".
So you have a few irresponsible adults as well. We all have our sob stories but most peoples pain is self inflicted. Nobody forces you to by a house or take out loans. People got in over their heads and now they want bailed out. How is that different than gm? In your world two wrongs make right. And you dont sway me with an old codger with a sob story. This whole movement began in the universities. From there it was a matter of finding enough useful idiots in the general public to make you legit. Besides you never addressed the real issue
"Nobody forces you to by a house or take out loans." Sure because the greedy people Countrywide were so honest ... those bastards lied just to make profit off the 99% for the 1%. It didnt begin in the universities it began in other countries showing that the public could in fact make a difference...that we dont have to sit and watch people with special interests like yourself take over the world while we receive all the negative consequences of it.
See you arent even aware of your movements origins. God your arguement sounds like you copied it from a bumpersticker? What did countrywide do again? Lied to who. For what reasons? If those people did something wrong were are the authorities? Whos really in charge?
I just want to know who is paying you to write this crap?
So you're a cheerleader for multinational corporations? Despite the fact that it's corporate money and influence in politics that has totally destroyed this country?
Maybe your some kind of masochists, where you like being whipped while you work and sweat, and earn a paltry sum for wages. Sure there's work to be done, but it doesn't have to be under the harsh conditions we are all under with these unscrupulous taskmasters. I think your just scared of these people because you might lose your job if you cross them. Guess what sooner or later your slated for the chopping block too. These peoples goal is the reduce the world population to 5 hundred million. Currently there are 6 billion in the world, a reduction of over 90%. Check out the Georgia Guide Stones. Do you think you will be one of the lucky ones, well do you punk. I had one of these high ranking people tell me that a lot of white people are nothing but trailer trash. When you have Henry Kissinger calling people "useless eaters", that concerns me. These are Nazi ideals. My suggestion to you is to grow a backbone and realize the intentions of these people who have you under their thumb, before they come for you and your family.
I am a professional in the field of mental health. There are no words to explain how the absence of decenting jobs in Texas has affected my family. I remember when I could at least keep my family above ground if my husband loss his job or had a medical emergency. Now we are drowning and we are not alone. I have been wrecking my brain, to find a way to join the efforts at Wall Street. My husband and son-in-law have been unemployed for over a year. My retired mother is on a fixed income and is economically sufficating . The right to vote is in real-time being strangled. One cannot be considered a viable candidate for employment because they are unemployed. It's like a big rope is being placed around the necks of 99% of this country. The rope is being held by not all but definately some of the 1% and they are pulling-hard. People say that Occupy Wall Street doesn't have demands. I disagree, I think they are saying its time to loosen the ropes. It's time to draw a clear line in the sand.
I am a professional in the field of mental health. There are no words to explain how the absence of decenting jobs in Texas has affected my family. I remember when I could at least keep my family above ground if my husband loss his job or had a medical emergency. Now we are drowning and we are not alone. I have been wrecking my brain, to find a way to join the efforts at Wall Street. My husband and son-in-law have been unemployed for over a year. My retired mother is on a fixed income and is economically sufficating . The right to vote is in real-time being strangled. One cannot be considered a viable candidate for employment because they are unemployed. It's like a big rope is being placed around the necks of 99% of this country. The rope is being held by not all but definately some of the 1% and they are pulling-hard. People say that Occupy Wall Street doesn't have demands. I disagree, I think they are saying its time to loosen the ropes. It's time to draw a clear line in the sand.
Another thing i get a kick out of is the 99% 1% nonsense...I am in no way in the top 1%...but you make it sound like everyone else is eating trash out of dumpsters...What a joke.
@pariscommune...you say work is a mode of exploitation? So what would be your ideal life? Thats a serious question im not being sarcastic.
wow paris, you last sentence shows just how lazy you are. You think someone shouldnt work hard for what they get, what they should just have it given to them? Under what constitutional right is anyone supposed to be given anything to them? that makes no sense all. How else is someone supposed to get what they have? By hard work and earning it. Your philosophy falls inline with socialism.
wow paris, you last sentence shows just how lazy you are. You think someone shouldnt work hard for what they get, what they should just have it given to them? Under what constitutional right is anyone supposed to be given anything to them? that makes no sense all. How else is someone supposed to get what they have? By hard work and earning it. Your philosophy falls inline with socialism.
Every person here is writing from an iMac, iPhone, blackberry, or some other product of corporate America. Ever wonder who finances these companies? How about Facebook, which has become a main tool of this protest. It is worth $77 billion. What about the Taylor guitars the hippies are playing down on wall st? Financed by GE Capital. If you all are really dedicated to this stop being so hypocritical and put your money where your mouth is. If you are so mad at corporate america try living without it for one day and see how that goes for you.
I am not a Liberal, or a Conservative.
I am an American Veteran of the Army, who has political ideas close to the Libertarian ideas on government.
I do not call my self the member of any one party, I am employed as the only IT person for a medium sized business.
I love my country but hate the way the government treats her, I have a tattoo of a coiled snake with the American flag and the words "don't tread on me" Liberty or Death".
I put my Flag up every morning on the balcony of my apartment, and I take her down every night.
I have a wife, no kids, and a cat.
Anything else you need to know before you make any more assumptions?
Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death (and I mean it)
How on earth is a peaceful protest dangerous to you? What do you fear about Occupy Wall Street that would make you state that you are ready to die for your convictions?
Did you run out of Prozac! What a hateful post. People like you who write shit like this have no clue. I support this movement even in it's early stage because I am sick and tired of watching our Government being run by crooked polticians and Corporations.
I have worked since I was 15 years old and now I am 55. You have no idea of how much I have worked or anyone else. You need to grow up and get your head out of your arse.
Prozac? Hateful Post? Look in the mirror, joe. You simply can't handle anyone who has a differing opinion.
Go back to your union meetings.
I don't belong to a Union but maybe you and JSnow should start one.
"Rethink your convictions because you better be ready to die for them....I am." And you believe that the protesters are the ones who endanger your childrens future?
the problem is the country is in a crisis and fools like this guy believe its someone's fault because he doesnt understand shit about capitalism and its inherent contradiction of overproduction that lead to crisis after crisis. so when he thinks its someones fault he want to punish someone for it, just like this movement and its corruption and criminal banksters idea btw, all the same shared foolishness and ignorance. so its only up to how radical this guy is in taking it on his enemies to the question of blood. the mindset is proper already for desaster. great soldier material. great tool for the ones he believes his good masters. scary stuff.
JSnow, thank you for your comments! Most of these people are not that well-educated, by the way. I have been posting for several days and have found that a significant portion of these people are as you described. There is, however, a good number of people on this site who have good ideas and open minds.
I too posted earlier about the fact that they all seem to have iphones, ipads, etc when I see them on tv. It certainly makes one think why all these poor, down-trodden people are able to afford these rather expensive luxuries (not to mention $60 per month 4G service). Corporations are great as long as they are supplying their coffee and telephones. I don't know what these folks would do without their $7 Starbucks coffee.
You getting paid to troll with JSnow, sounds like it!
Just so you know, the people who actually are protesting @ Wall St are not patronizing Starbucks. They are making an effort to have the food money spent at local small businesses, not corporate chains.
I heard that in Seattle the Starbucks was not supportive of #occupyseattle so they aren't getting any #occupybucks there either.