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Forum Post: World’s anger at Obama policies goes beyond Europe and the NSA

Posted 9 months ago on Oct. 27, 2013, 4:40 p.m. EST by Cvacca (-24)
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I thought we got rid of Bush because the rest of the world hated us but it was never this bad:

Whether miffed over spying revelations or feeling sold out by U.S. moves in the Middle East, some of the United States’ closest allies are so upset that the Obama administration has gone into damage-control mode to ensure the rifts don’t widen and threaten critical partnerships.

The quarrels differ in their causes and degrees of seriousness. As a whole, however, they pose a new foreign policy headache for an administration whose overseas track record is seen in many quarters at home and abroad as reactive and lacking direction.

In Europe and the Middle East, rifts that once would’ve been quietly smoothed over have exploded into headlines and public remonstrations.

The uproar in Europe over revelations from fugitive former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden that the United States spied on as many as 35 government leaders, including Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, has become so great that early Friday 28 European leaders said Merkel and French President Francois Hollande would open negotiations with the United States over a “no-spying agreement.”

In the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, already fed up with U.S. reluctance to get more deeply involved in the Syrian civil war, has become alarmed by Obama’s overtures to the Saudis’ archenemy, Iran, with which the Saudis are locked in a battle for regional supremacy. Reports indicate it is considering breaking over cooperation with the Obama administration on a range of issues, including training for so-called moderate Syrian rebels.



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[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 9 months ago

Actually, it goes way beyond Obama, because they are most pissed off about the GOP threatening the Worlds economy again over their petty desire to refuse healthcare to US citizens.



[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 months ago

our ability to record incidences and post media is our voice against oppression

[-] 0 points by Shule (1696) 9 months ago

I wonder how many world leaders knew they were being spied upon, and went ahead to feed the spies bad information?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

that is a conservative perspective regarding relations with Saudi Arabia. I'm confident that a leftist perspective is going to posit that the U.S. position of engagement with Iran is positive, as is our reluctance to be drawn into Syria.

Given that this is a rightist perspective, it seems logical to presume that it is entirely likely the rest of the concerns enumerated above are all over blown. No doubt foreign leaders will use this opportunity to leverage whatever circumstances may allow, but long term damage to these relationships seems very unlikely, and comparisons with Bush are, well, quite frankly, nothing but BUSHITE.

[-] 0 points by Cvacca (-24) 9 months ago

And how do you respond to the 60 Minutes report on Benghazi? More Bushite?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

You know what, FUKWAD, I was going to watch it. Then I saw the preview of their other report, the interview of Mike Morell by John Miller so I took a shower instead. 60 Minutes have had a couple of shows lately, featuring Steve Croft, about which I have not had time nor been of the proper temperament, to permit an adequate response. It is clear to me if not everyone else that 60 Minutes is not what it once was. Their interview of the to former deputy CIA director by a former Deputy of National Intelligence MAKES THAT QUITE IRREFUTABLE. It is a fact which I find quite infuriating. Apparently I am not alone in that sentiment, it seems some level of awareness is percolating among the public consciousness - see for yourself a comment SOMEONE ELSE has left on the CBS website:

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

ahhh, I see. YOu are part of a cadre of entrenched repelican interests who indeed FEAR and with good reason a potential second presidential administration of Clintons. While I have not examined the possibility that these interests did in fact engineer the Benghazi incident -- there is no certainty that there is enough information in the public record to permit me to discern the thread of the conspiracy in its entirety -- yet one must accept the possibility does exist, whether you are cognizant of that fact or not - and that itself does not matter for you do, indeed, know where your allegiance does and must, at all costs, lie.

[-] 0 points by HCHC4 (-28) 9 months ago

Fear a second Clinton Administration? Ha! Wall st would love nothing more than that!

[-] -2 points by oktoberchill (-3) 9 months ago

I am sure Zen thinks it's Bushite, just as he probably found Steve Croft's segment last week about how politicians from BOTH parties use their leadership pacs as personal funds. Anything that reflects badly on the Dems is Bushite in his black and white world

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

I skipped that one, there was a football game that went overtime and I had to get up early, and since Croft did a disservice to the mentally ill in a previous segment, I lost no sleep over missing this one.

Yes, Bushite you are, and Bushite you will remain.

[-] 0 points by Cvacca (-24) 9 months ago

Your argument is getting lost. 60 Minutes is hardly a Republican institution. You just can't get your facts right. Obama is a rookie that hasn't improved. The most amazing part of his Presidency is that he is not getting more experienced in his second term. You name it, the economy, health care, foreign relations, security, honesty, trust... he is just winging it because he has no thought on how to govern. He just wanted the office and then he thought about increasing transfer payments. He has gotten both of those so he is happy. But as for those of us who work, we suffer.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

No, 60 Minutes is not a repelican institution. CBS is another matter entirely. And the fact of the matter is the old guard at 60 Minutes is now largely gone. And while you may view John Miller as a legitimate journalist I have every confidence that the rest of America do not, for he is not and has not acted in that capacity for quite some time so far as I am aware.

His current capacity at CBS is as consultant - not correspondent. He's a fukin establishment mouthpiece.

And I really don't give a shit if my argument is and has been lost on you or not. I have every confidence that President Obama will, in time, be ranked as among the very best of Presidents this nation has ever seen, and thus the shame and the mourning of this current generation is all the more poignant, for consider, if he is among the best we have or are ever likely to have - how much more could we have accomplished together were it not for repelican intransigence and YES, TREASON.

I have every confidence that my great great grandfather did not find occasion, even once, to repent his great sacrifice. And while his suffering in the cause of Justice was Just, and justified over and over again, never the less - the wisdom of the American People to elect a man of such talent as that of the current President despite the color of his skin reaffirms the confidence that my great great grandfather did display toward the nation of his birth, and does show that his fealty to it has not been without reward.


and you can kiss my ass.

[-] -1 points by Cvacca (-24) 9 months ago

Lara Logan was the correspondent on the Benghazi piece.

I am not sure what you think are the accomplishments as people are unemployed, under employed and out of the work force. He has built huge animosity between the ethnic groups which will take a long time to get over. He has set back race relations many years, because now it is evident that it is nothing but political correctness. There was no evidence in his experience that he was qualified.

Nice use of vulgarity. That is what you have to resort to? Obama does it too when he gets angry.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13178) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

yes she was - and that was not the only piece 60 Minutes ran that evening. Beside the issue of Benghazi they ran an interview of Mike Morell by John Miller, and as I said above, I took a shower instead.

This puts things in some coherent perspective and as far as employment numbers go, that falls at repelican feet, from two directions.

Why don't you just drop dead.

[-] -3 points by Cvacca (-24) 9 months ago

Boy you are both weak and angry. If I dropped dead then who would pay for all of you folks since you don't work?

Get you vulgarity going.