Forum Post: Women and Women's Labor Count!
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 3, 2012, 7:20 p.m. EST by 14democracy
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Women account for 51% of the population and remain one of the most discriminated groups, especially with regard to employment and equal pay and yet nothing about women is even mentioned in the Labor Day events. This must be corrected immediately. Here are some slogans you can incorporate: Equal Pay for Equal Work! Count Unpaid Domestic Labor in GNP! Count Women's Unpaid Labor: GPI vs. GDP!
We could alleviate the matter entirely: increase 51% to 100% and I will be most happy. Perhaps I will even be Gay.
yep see the comments pouring in ...
This is one place I don't think you need to worry about "not" having support for womens rights. Some new posts do not get seen for awhile as people are involved in discussion already.
And trolls shills qusilings RINO's and DINO's and copoRATist's tend to not want to draw attention to hot topics that can do them harm.
Yes we do need to worry about it, DKA, constantly, as it turns out. If you check out the banners and statements regarding Occupy's Labor Day actions at the DNC, you will note a glaring omission. There is always the concern for every other group but women, and if women are mentioned at all, we are at the bottom of the list, despite being the largest group and cutting across ethnic, socioeconomic, and racial lines. It's as if women and women's rights are invisible and when we speak up, we are minimized, shamed, or ignored--it is really remarkable. As Elf said, see all the comments pouring in on this topic.
Newbie 14dem? Somehow I do not think so. Some how I believe that you are a disruptive individual who has attacked this forum before. You are now trying to start trouble to be a divisive factor on the forum. To get people fighting and keep em fighting.
So - How many times have you been booted off of this forum?
This is a very suppressive, authoritarian, and sexist comment. These issues are central to the success of the Occupy Movement. How odd that you think such a critical, essential and and valuable topic is divisive. Do you think women having self-respect, and men respecting them, and caring for half (actually both halves of humanity is divisive?????!!!!!!!!! What century are you living in??????
OH - Geeze another apparent newbie - I think not - go fuck yourself.
Hardly, on all counts, though I am amazed that you have not been booted off, as negative, arrogant, dismissive, and divisive as YOU are. Your unwillingness to look at what I am saying is confirmation that you obviously are part of the problem.
Perhaps you should look to the content and aim of your comments?
Don't blame me for your getting the boot - they are your comments.
I have never been booted off of any forum anywhere for my comments, though I'm sure you have. The aim of my comments is to raise awareness of the issues I am stating. What is the aim of your comments other than trying to silence me?
You attacked my comment about elf not needing to worry about support for women on this site. As there is a lot of support for women on this site including ME. Go through the posts on women's issues you will find that I have posted some of them and brought information and support to other women's issues posts.
So it is more like you R trying to cause problems - U and your new(?) friend occupiersboycottelection ( the opt out individual ).
My reply was hardly an "attack". It was actually a sincere, even friendly, explanatory response. I think you need to ask yourself why you are so defensive and get this aggressive over someone pointing out something that is factual and true. If you are indeed so supportive of women's issues why don't you put some of that into practice and try listening (reading), being more receptive, and offering a rational response that acknowledges what is true instead of overreacting like you are and accusing not only to me but the other person who just commented of "causing problems"?
Your post comment is a lie:
Look through the schedule of events for labor day put up by this site. Look through other event announcements put up by this site.
For one look into the code pink contingent an affinity group.
OWS and all Occupy Groups point out the ills of society then people form affinity groups.
If your complaint is that there are not enough womens affinity groups - then I would suggest you campaign for more of them to be established.
A person who actually knows how to speak to other people respectfully would merely say, "I think you may be mistaken" or even, if you actually cared about these issues more than being "right", you could have asked, "What do you mean?" rather than your obnoxious declaration "Your post comment is a lie." Again, there is no reason for you to be so aggressive and defensive. If you had actually read what I wrote, you would note that I wrote "nothing about women is even mentioned in the Labor Day events", meaning the banners and signs did not bring up the FACTS of my post. Hence, the suggestions I made. I am well aware that there is a Code Pink affinity group as well as Women-Occupy, partly why I was amazed that none of the banners reflected women's labor.
If only secretaries could start a movement as large as construction workers - way to go guys !!!!- you didn't even have to push a head through a vagina to get some of that jobs creation / education bill. Yes congrats for you - now you can go marry and support a little lady who's been working all day to keep that unemployment strong throughout those cold winters so you could sit back with your feet at the fireplace while she continued to rake in minimum wage. Time to bring her in Jim get grab your $50,000 ford out of the garage - she'll be glad to have a man to take care of her and finally get off that working lady treadmill; She may even be able to pay her rent, afford some groceries, and and get her death mobile to pass inspection with your help. See you after this next winter-off when you once again will get to collect and have a nice long rest - and relaxation after your very lucrative summer (thanks to secretaries' working tax dollars and government gearing.) But it's okay I guess you men deserve it - after all a woman is really supposed to be having babies even the government says so - that's all we have to do if we want to get in on that stimulus package - better to leave those working avenues open to men and reward only those women who honor their own fertility. And for the working gals don't worry I guess it will trickle down in tips. Don't forget to display your breasts through your Hooters T-shirt and business blouse...you want that raise don't you?
Woman's jobs are going overseas in droves, being replaced with computer programs, and being "streamlined" only that isn't discussed because they are still working only now they do 6 jobs for the price of one job and for the same peanuts pay they got 15 years ago and in most cases less. This isn't discussed because business owners don't want to hear it and the government is still pushing this global economy on us. If a man were trying to support his family on $8.00-12.00 an hour it would be an issue. If you look at jobs where education isn't a requirement men always do better - hell a trash man can make 75,000 a year. But a maid makes $6.00 an hour. In every field where a man lifts something heavy even given that they don't need brains to do it they make almost 4 times what a woman does who must use her brains and organizational skills. What it says to me, is that women's skills aren't valued as much as men's skills in society even though what they contribute is on equal parring ground and that they must remain reliant on someone else to help them pay the high rental rates. How come a maintenance director in a building makes almost $40-70,000 (and why are they called director instead of maintenance secretary which is what they do) when a secretary who runs an entire office can barely get out of the 20's? and she is still called an assistant? Why does a union package delivery driver make more than a union nurse?
And again I see I'm the only one interested in this discussion even having a conversation with myself as I said ... see the comments pouring in...
women are creative, detail oriented, nurturing, giving, and sensitive - everything corporate America is not, not surprising they can't find better ways to use our skills than to slap us in a pair of nylons and order us to get their coffee and do their boring tedious tasks and paperwork god forbid we show symptoms of dissatisfaction, intelligent thought, or show we have ideas and opinions about the world that concerns anything or haven't a good enough nature to constantly smile and perk up our breasts with push up bras and stick them out at random. Yes no thinking about the world... that's far too serious business for us little ladies and if you can't stay perky enough to ignore your hunger pains and looming debt disasters, there are plenty of others willing to take your place. Pretty soon you'll be too old for that Hooters T-shirt just think about that and be grateful you don't live on a waitress salary. Two dollars an hour ?huh? and flash that money maker honey if you want to get paid. The way waitresses get paid is surely the most sexist job out there. Just a step above stripping. Hmm though how is that landscaper doing - is he flashing his money maker and hoping the client tips him after he runs around for five hours at a stretch working his ass off? And the owner doesn't even make him clean the tools I bet as most restaurants have combined dishwasher and waitress into one position. I'm talking generally of course since I know men have infiltrated and begun taking our 'server' jobs - the one we could always fall back on until now. Thanks again guys although mostly it's the teenage boys - that's not demoralizing to a grown woman trying to support her family, not at all.
You have eloquently outlined what working women go through, elf. It is demoralizing all right. The fact that women continue to be pressured into being sexual objects is an outrage. I remember well the ridiculous get-ups I had to wear as a waitress, getting paid next to nothing and being grabbed at and treated with disrespect. Even when you have a college education and are a member of a profession, it is being managed these days by the corporation and you are subjected to the indignities of working part-time as a "contract worker" with no benefits, being "supervised" by some twit half or more your age. Another inequity for women that still exists is after working all day (or all night) for far less than we are worth, we are expected to shoulder the bulk of the work at home as well, including caring for children and elders while men still see it as their god-given right to leave at will to "go to the gym" or otherwise take care of their needs. This is why we need to switch to GPI from GDP, which takes women's UNpaid work into account.
http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/20lead2010.htm
20 Leading Occupations of Employed Women