Forum Post: Why would we need Social Security if we brought down the system?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 1, 2011, 5:06 p.m. EST by DunkinDonut
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SS is part of the system so if you bring everything down then you would not need SS. You do want to bring everything down, or do you? Who is deciding what does or does not come down? Who is in charge of that if it happens? Please dont says SS would not go away because if the system is destroyed, it would have to go too.
The question is not whether OWS will bring the system down, it is whether or not politicians will reform and correct the system before it collapses under the ever increasing weight of greed and corruption.
The $700 billion TARP was really $16 trillion. Two days ago S&P downgraded the 6 biggest US banks, and yesterday the Fed executed yet another global bailout in a desperate attempt to prop up the rapidly collapsing house of cards, and of course BoA.
Its still pretty messed up that they would steal senior's hard earned money.
That money has long since been gone. Anyone is a fool that pays in to something as horrifically mismanaged and blatantly stolen before it even arrives.
Once they have received everything they paid into the system plus marginal interest, it is not theirs.
I would prefer to keep 15% of my pay instead of letting the gov molest it for an entire career.
You are correct. I can rob my own locked box.
without the government poor people will be taken care of by the people who support government programs.
The people who support government programs tend to be the poor themselves. So poor people will be supporting each other?
First bring everything down. Then we'll talk SS. Old folks don't like you already.
you flagrant repelican - intent on destruction of even that which is in service to the people and a proper function of government.
the repelican party is done
done I say
Because they have lied
and they have lied
and they have lied
about so much
to so many
to the benefit
of so few
Global warming is here
right outside the door
of every American Window
and so I say
the day of the REPELICAN PARTY is done.
I agree. We need to elect Harrison Ford to help us deal with the Replicant threat!
What the hell is a Re-Pelican? and why is the pelican done?
Why do you want to Dis Pelicans by comparing them to Republicans?
Repelican -
is a term of approbation,
a proof,
derogatory in nature,
intended to shame
and to ridicule
those who run for high office
upon a platform of lies before the whole world
and have not the decency to blush bright crimson.
they are reprehensible.
they are repulsive.
they are repellent.
they are repelicans . . . .
So you hate Obama that much that you call him that?
you have not the decency to blush bright crimson.
you are reprehensible.
you are repulsive.
you are repellent.
You said "high office", you said a "platform of lies", I would guess your talking about Obama? I would guess?
When I think of lies the lies I refer to are those that can most readily be identified by every single American - all they have to do is look out the window in the morning when they get up, and they can see -
Global Warming is real.
It is here.
It is now.
It will get worse.
Repelicans have lied.
The "high office" of Obama said there is not global warming? Your kidding?
No, I don't believe he has said that.
I do believe it is a chief talking point of the repelican party.
See Boner.
Social Security is a fund that is paid by everyone that has worked their entire lives taken out of their paychecks. This money should have never been touched other then those eligible for social security.
Fact: the number of people that actually live to retirement age is approx 8% of the total population so their should be a surplus of funds in our social security fund.
Since our goverment took upon themselves to borrow this money and have the audacity to enforce the tax payors to pay for borrowed money that they should never have touched in the first place.
I do not understand why the masses put up with this behavior for an entity that the masses believe is suppose to work for us.
You need to investigate the comment you posted. Your EMPLOYER contributed to YOUR fund as a percentage. So if you worked for a corporation then that corporation owns a percentage of your SS, if you use your logic. Go to IRS and see how much your employer contributed to YOUR retirement while paying YOUR salary too.
I am fully aware that what I pay in, my employer meets that same amount.
Actually the employer pays half and the employee pays half. According to my last statement I have paid over $70,000 into SS and my employers have matched that. Therefore I have $140,000 invested in SS and I doubt I'll see any of it.
Isnt that what i told you?
Kind of, I was just clarifying the actual numbers. :-)
OWS is not advocating to bring down the system. We want the system fixed, not destroyed.
But your statement does not match what is being posted a huge number of times. OWS wants to "close" ports. OWS wants to "stop" shopping. OWS wants to "halt" traffic. OWS wants to "kill" the stock market. If those are not examples of bringing down a system, what would be your examples to counter those statements? If the system goes down, SS does too.
OWS wants to inconvenience the 99% in hopes we will join them. the problem is we won't. OWS hasn't done the first thing to hurt the so called 1% while they do all kinds of things to make the 99%'s lives harder. In reality they could care less about the 99%,all they want is their agenda pushed.
What you said, is absolutely correct. I agree 100% with you.
Closing ports or stopping traffic, while I don't necessarily condone either one, would be a transitory act, hardly something that would 'bring down the system.' No one can 'stop shopping,' one can only stop shopping at a particular store or business or for a certain time period. And as far as 'bringing down the system,' you have two kinds of people saying that. One group means bringing down the corrupt system presently in place, not the whole system. And the other group, the ones that may actually mean the 'whole system,' well, they're just dumb asses and you should ignore them. I think you may be taking most the comments too literally.
I'm just going by what I read posted on this site. I'm not making this stuff up.
It is about disruption, not creation.
You're NOT going to bring down the "system".
Then what is the point?
Ask ows.
I thought OWS isnt trying to bring down the system. I wish you guys would make up your mind if you are or you are not trying to bring down the system.
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