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Forum Post: Why we can never go with republicans, Must Teach Kids Individual, Civil, and Bill of Rights, Progressive Ideas

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 5, 2012, 7:26 p.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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Yes, I've heard that the left is not good for Jobs or for Business. You will hear this from people on the Right and Business people. And I consider myself a kind of Fiscal Conservative. But we know there are democrats in business and government. I think we are looking at an over simplification, a generalization. You might say this is Propaganda or an attempt to control the narrative. Re-Frame your thinking. They want you to Fear, but you have to trust your fellow man. If you believe in the good in man, then you have to believe and put your "Faith" in Democracy and in the Left.

Is there any truth in the statement that there are those on the Left that really don't care about people, jobs, and business? Could it be that Wealthy Leftists have had some big plans for America that don't always involve providing high paying Jobs. As you say The Right has been the one to Claim to Support "JOBS".

But I think we should examine these Ideas.

1) I think Democrats have always been the Champion of common people (until they started taking corporate Money under Clinton).
2) I think Most Middle Class and Poor and Immigrants and Blacks have been Left of Center or Democratic or at least Appreciated Medicare, Medicaid, Health Care and Social Security.
3) Workers Rights, Miners Rights, Civil Rights, Safety Rights have all been Deomcratic or Leftist Issues or Union Issues.
4) Democrats and Individual Rights advocates have always been grass roots (of the common People).
5) Republicans seem to have a Legacy of Big Business, Slavery, Corporate Rights, Lobby Rights, Defense Spending, defense Lobbying, Defense business, Oil Business, energy business, Out Sourcing, Off Shoring, Tax Loopholes, defense of wealthy to the IRS.
6) Corporations don't take care of people - they resist any extra expenses or costs to the bottom line. As costs for Safety or Health go up - Corporations go Off Shore and Out Source.
7) Unions did get strong and hurt profits when executives made very bad deals that drove production overseas (bad executives).
8) Republicans and the Right don't take responsibility for human and individual rights as well as blame Unions and Subsidies for the High Cost of Government programs and poor executive decisions.
9) The Fact is that Defense Spending and War Spending has driven the Federal budget into the dirt. And the Right will never admit it. And they willnever raise taxes to pay for the department of defense Spending.

Yes, I trust the Left, Democrats who are common people, and even trust Socialist more than I trust Big Money Interests, the Right, War Mongers, Isreali Lobbyist, and Republicans.

After all Financial Schemes come through Business Plans. And don't forget how "Corrupting Long Range Strategic Planning" can be if it doesn't have Ethical Goals and ethical statements build into Mission Statements, Objectives, and Goals.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-financial-schemes-stupid-us-public-knows-finan/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/failure-of-us-long-range-strategic-planning-nation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/list-of-legislation-for-civil-rights-labor-rights-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/big-picture-commom-questions-about-corruption/

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[-] 2 points by Krypton (73) 1 year ago

While the Democrats, as we know them now, have purported themselves as the champions of the common man, it hasn't always been this way. Republicans carried that banner in the past (Lincoln was a Republican), and over time, they switched platforms. It was relative to who was representing a party at the time, and the other party's reaction to it. Just to be sure you know, as you're writing about teaching kids things, "always" is not really an apt word choice.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well Said. Careful is better.

[-] 2 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 1 year ago

Simplify - forget parties, focus on constitutional principles. Vote for no one that cannot or will not speak of them and integrate them into their platform.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, I eventually explained that Grass Roots are who I want to vote for, see in politics, and the only ones we can trust.

Without a Galvanizing Issue - we don't have Grass Roots activisim, We don't have Honest Politics, We don't have "Inroads" to the State and Federal Congress, We don't have Honest "Networks", We don't have "Integrity", and we can't Trust the System.

[-] 2 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 1 year ago

Simplify - forget parties, focus on constitutional principles.

A "Galvanizing Issue" is human need. Needles to say, it is at the root of all human activism.

Time to abandon "special interests" of profit, often based on placing wants over needs.

Our big problem is ignorance and misinformation along with social fears run amok by manipulative media working on childrens minds.

Some of those kids are 47 now, and they are realizing that football, beer, and war are not really what they want. They are discovering they know very little about how to meet their needs, and that efforts to learn run into the same non functional media control that made them ignorant and indulgent when they were younger.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

True. We can make things complex or simple. We can focus on fear or the many American Diversions like movies, video games, sports, music, drinking, clubs, and excitement.

Shadz66 posted this article, Fascism Anyone? which looks to be about 7 years old now. Includes 14 points you may have seen.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm (Laurence Britt)

Looking at those 14 points is kind of a fit for me. But I tend to be an easy audience...

To Your Point Focus on Constitutional Principals

1) I think you are saying this privides the Right Understanding.
2) Right Action is what? Talk to people about principals and philosphy... explain what fascism is, explain what socialism is, explain how debt/credit and the velocity of money makes the economy run as well as government spending makes the economy run, explain how jailing people damages society and cost money that could be used more efficently, explain how war is a big ruse, war does not pay off, war cost human misery, how military expansion is a futile waste of money and resources, how hegemony is nothing like democracy, etc.
3) Talk about thinking more systematically about learning and history and philosophy, about setting examples for each other, about raising kids without the escapsim of video games and mass media.
4) Actively look for role models and people doing good things, and point them out to others, look for grass roots leaders, watch what people do, look for ethics in life.
5) Create a day in the week or month when you will try to meet with people to discuss issues, politics, progressive ideas, philosophy, fascism, socialism, democracy, etc

Not sure this is Simple, but could be a habit

Is this at all what you had in mind?? Or perhaps you are saying Appeal to the heart of people, try to reach people about what they care about, be human and just try to Help people

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

vote for no one who signed the grover norquist pledge
putting norquist ahead of their oath of office
[ 95% of the Rs in House & Senate did ]

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well said.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

OWS working group
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
EVERYTHING starts here -
.....................government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks. I followed one of your links yesterday and saw this. I think it is really a good one.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

The Really Rich have all their money in Chile or Paraguay. Quote from Riot in Argentina 2001 5:20 Minutes into video, IMF Confidential, on Argentina from Greag palast 2002. By Greg Palast www.gregpalast.com, 15 October, 2003.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBLmO03evf0

Duhalde is Responsible for Privitazation and he is in the Government Now, 5:59 minutes into Video

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

That is an excellent post, and summarizes everything that I have known for decades. Yes, the Dems have always been the party of the little guy, hence minorities as well. There used to be more of them until the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 60s. That caused southern Dems to switch to the Repubs. When the Christian Right got political, they brought their values to the R party and have stayed there and voted values over common sense ever since. And the Dems have always supported Labor Unions since the Dems support the common man/woman in general. Dems have been accused of supporting Socialism, but what else could a party primarily composed of common people/workers support? Does anyone think they would support Fat Cat Big Business Capitalism?

I completely support in full your points 2,3,4,5,6, 8, and 9 above.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Good historical perspective in your response. I don't have your depth here. Southern Politics is different. I kept remember a Texan telling me that the Democrats were Republicans and never figured it out exactly. I think I can talk you into #7 if I explain it better. The point was executives have to take responsibility for high wages in Unions such as the Big three Auto Corporations. And if Pensions were under funded in the Big Three Car companies, it falls on executives or regulators for allowing problems to grow and defy logic.

[-] 0 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

But the Christian right is also in the black community.

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

I think its important to look at the man, not just the party. I am an independent who voted for Obama but will now be voting for Romney due to slow economic growth and poor domestic policy on crime

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well I'm sort of the same guy. I spent years in a Conservative Organization. I heard them go after Clinton before and after he was elected. I didn't vote for Clinton the first Election. I'm thinking I was working or and distracted during the second election 1996. What I can report is that Clinton was neutral to the Defense budget after all the cut-throat comments and assassination of his character before an after he was Elected.

Clinton was not weak on Defense, did not cut the defense budget, he ended up increseing the Defense Budget, and after all the Smearing of him - I'm surprised the Secret Service Kept him alive and the Military did what he Commanded them to do.

So where does that leave the USA

We have an exact same situation with Barak Obama. ANd I am not a fan of Barak Obama since he did not push anything after the Obama Care Bill. It seemed to me he was bought off or intimidate after his first year in office. Sure the military, the lobbyist, and the bankers..... ALL READ HIM THE RULES OF THE GAME AND SAID YOU EITHER PLAY BALL OR YOU GET OUT AND YOU WILL NOT PASS A SINGLE BILL.

Nice huh

I almost voted for Ross Perot. But I voted for H. W. Bush. How do you think I feel after that? How does your Father or uncles feel?

Voting your Conscious is the most important thing you can do to signal your mind to the Politicians. We don't know if Politicians Care about us. We don't know if we really elect them. We don't even know if the voting machines are fair and protected. Our votes are not as transparent as in the PBS show last week, ... Ghana Election 2008.

Fear is why we vote Republican or Democrat.

Give up the Fear. Live large. Vote for Radicals. Vote for Grass Roots. Vote for Third Parties. Vote your Heart!!

OOPS, my economic friends are going to kick my ass.

Look you can't cut the federal budget or state budget in a recession without causeing a worse recession or depression. It is about the Multiplier Effect and the Velocity of Money. The system can't run on just capitalism. There has to be credit/Debt and money creation. This is the MMT Theory of Economics.

You can look and research Randy Wray, Warren Mosler, Michael Hudson, Bill Mitchell, and William K. Black. You will find that money creation is needed to keep the Economy going. That means Debt is Good. Credit Is Good. And Government Spending is Good. ANd government Spending depends on money creation in the form of credit (debt). But we don't absolutely need to borrow money from banks or from a central bank like the Federal Reserve. We can create our own Money.

[-] 2 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

The economy hasn't recovered because the money is being funneled to the top not because of obama's non existent liberal policies. Are romney presidecy will just accelerate that process. Hell, I can't vote for obama for reasons of my own but to think giving power to the party that represents the very policies that got us in this mess and that hold back the recovery will improve things is unrealistic.

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

i wouldn't right romney off just because of bush or the fact that hes republican. Also, Obama has failed to build the economy for the last 4 years.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

I'm writing him off because as far as I can see his economic plan is tax cuts, deregulation, and drilling. I believe we need massive infrastructure projects, a tax code that will move some of the wealth that was transferred to the rich back into the economy, and getting rid of the free trade agreements that allow the outsourcing of jobs. If we have romney or obama as president all we can look forward to is being homeless in our own land.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

OOPS, my economic friends are going to kick my ass.

Look you can't cut the federal budget or state budget in a recession without causeing a worse recession or depression. It is about the Multiplier Effect and the Velocity of Money. The system can't run on just capitalism. There has to be credit/Debt and money creation. This is the MMT Theory of Economics.

You can look and research Randy Wray, Warren Mosler, Michael Hudson, Bill Mitchell, and William K. Black. You will find that money creation is needed to keep the Economy going. That means Debt is Good. Credit Is Good. And Government Spending is Good. ANd government Spending depends on money creation in the form of credit (debt). But we don't absolutely need to borrow money from banks or from a central bank like the Federal Reserve. We can create our own Money.

Obama, much as he is a slug. He was handed a bag of shit. He can cut any budget for the first 4 years. Sure he could have targeted investment better, avoided investing in bad comapnies without good track records... he didn't need to put $200 M in any one company. Certainly he didn't need to put $100 M into a Solar company without a good profit record.

The economy is ...recovering from many hits. Would you lend me money knowing that I have loans and investments that are at risk from financial schemes... You don't know ifmy other investors will keep givingme money. And that is the US Econmy. I have invested. I ahve lost money. I have made back money after the Financial Crisis. I'm pretty nervous about investing now. It is all my money. It is not money from some corporations or other investors.

The economy is Risky. You know it is Risky. Would you invest $2000 dollars right now. I don't think so.

But what is the strength of the US Economy? Small Business. And what we see is that Small Business has been cut off from new investment since 2006-2007. So no matter what the government says. There is very little stimulus. Small Business Companies are the Heart of the USA. But there is not investment available or very little. Banks prefer to invest where the incentive is. the incentive is to bet on High risk in the UK market. The pay off is bonuses. The downside is ... the government may loan you moremoney

A Criminologic System is where the incentive is for High Risk and poor investments ...Rather than low Risk Good Deals. The terms are bad deal drive good deals out of the market - Bill Black.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2091) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Casino Capitalism!

And the taxpayers pay the losses.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, Bail out Executives and Financial Managers (salesmen) and ... they give themselves bonuses and go gambling. Oh yeah they also buy strippers, cocaine, and high priced escorts. (see Inside Job Video)

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2091) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yes, I know it well, so glad it won an Oscar.

Here is a video to show the anti-handout ("no more handouts") crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8

And here is the article I found it in: http://www.alternet.org/occupy-wall-street/why-are-these-pampered-wall-street-billionaires-so-whiny-and-thin-skinned?paging=off

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Then you haven't followed the problem even slightly, and don't seem interested in the workings of the senate or the defunct congress.

Do you even follow what is going on here?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

romney will make the economy grow - exactly the way koch -adelson-norquist want
tax rates down; services like medicare & ss gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE&feature=player_embedded

[-] -2 points by WeThePeop (-259) 1 year ago

Poor liberals are in a frenzy that their "master of destruction" Obama will be getting kicked to the curb very soon

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

"master of destruction"

name calling is one of the first signs of dementia
please see your doctor

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

i think he was being literal

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2091) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

That's so weird, you sound like a Republicon campaign ad for Romney, almost verbatim.

If you're really upset about the slow economic growth and poor domestic policy on crime, you should vote for Obama, it was Republicon obstruction that cased those and many other problems.

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

I think the economy has worened over the course of the last four years and i know that Obama supports a federally imposed death penalty

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

So how's the Budget Cuts working in Europe? Ever seen the British invest in the economy or jobs for the people. Brittan's economy was stagnant with Margret Thatcher. Partly it has to be because the governments will never invest in the Economy. Portugal never really made it into the 20th Century, so don't look at them. Spain had a dictator untill late 1960s...Spain hasn't been strong, so don't look at them. Italy is like the 3rd Biggest Economy or economic engine in Europe... How are they doing? The are subservient to the EU and restrictions on debt. They can't really invest in their economy. But what has happened is the government nationalized toxic debt. Now banks that hold Italian Government Bonds are in big trouble. One of the oldest banks in Italy may go bancrupt because it is holding a huge amount of Italian Government Bonds. Italy is in bad shape. There was an MMT Seminar or Conference within the last year explaining to them that they have to spend money to stimulate the economy ...vs the austerity that they have. Start reading about Modern Monetary Theory (Economics). Austerity is bad.

But really... what would be the difference between a Pallin Presidency, a Romney Presidency, and an Obama Presidency?? Probably not much. None of them have the skills and all of them are Right Wing. I just don't want Medicare cut, Social Security Cut, Unemployment Insurance Cut, SNAP cut, etc.

Basically I just don't want the safety net taken away, Hoovervilles to form, and Violence in the Street.

[-] -3 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

I dont think we have to lower our expections based on others failed economies. America has the ability to immediately improve its economy and Romney/Ryan is the right combo to lead the country

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You are right that the US has proved to be very strong economically, very resilient. The big example is the powerhouse that we became in WWII and the years that followed. The US stands out as the biggest or deepest Consumer Economy (to me). Wealthy people and big investors Want to stay in this country and have access to our markets... that plus the standard of living is why I don't fear Wealthy people leaving the US. Faux Business people never mention this.

There are a lot of people with opinions. But few are willing to make points, show examples, explain what they mean, and explain why they think what they do.

Are you a Bot?

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

no i am not hhaha.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Sorry I probably got carried away... vote how you want to. I have a bunch of blind spots in my education. I'm no smarter than anyone else. I'm a little smarter this year in economics and finance that 4 years ago, but still blind somewhere else.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Ryan and romney will steal more money from the average america/ and transfer it to the top. This is why the economy is bad. If we truly want a better economy we need to break up the big banks and multi national corps.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What? You submitting this for a lead in on a horror story ad?

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

i dont understand your "wit"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Neither would mit. I am not surprised.

[-] -2 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

I dont think we have to lower our expections based on others failed economies. America has the ability to immediately improve its economy and Romney/Ryan is the right combo to lead the country

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sure sure the liar incheif and a socipath VP. What could possibly go wrong with that - Hey?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2091) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

In last night's Frontline, Mitt was shown protesting his fellow college anti-war protesters in the 70s. That's like protesting fellow college OWS protesters now. It takes a certain kind of real asshole to do that.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

THis nation is compelety divided. Half of them agree with you, the other think the same exact thing, but simply switch the left and right.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, I was considering a big project on how this country has no base or basis keeping us together. I think I am overwhelmed by it.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ya, it is overwhelming. The people fall head over heals for propaganda. It makes it almost impossible to get real change going, because everyone is so well trained to follow the herd.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Hey check this interview on US Education. About 2 minutes into part 4 of 6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGnAWUPW-RM&feature=relmfu

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3748) 1 year ago

Gees...I'm beyond livid. I can't wait to get into the rest of this series in the morning. Thanks again Middleaged.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Thats some very interesting stuff...

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, we are brainwashed to accept an oversimplified conclusion. Everyone, including me has to fight to see the cognitive errors or distortions, or Biases.

Myths Abound in the USA. Did you ever read parts of Lies My teacher Told Me? Here is a link where there are chapter summaries you can read:

http://www.bookrags.com/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me/

I think he deals with Anthropology as a discipline to identify ethocentrism.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Vote for Romney and leave idiocy behind; this is a prime example.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I hope we are smart enough to reject the right wing wacko repub/tea party pro 1% plutocrats.

replace conservative w/ progressives, & protest.

[-] -1 points by WeThePeop (-259) 1 year ago

Vote Obama out, nuff said

[-] -1 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

Such ignorance is truly astounding. Just two examples of democrat caring for people: Ruby Ridge. FBI sniper slaughters an unarmed woman holding an infant. Waco, ATF burns men, women, and children alive.

You sir are a brainwashed fool.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Perhaps it is the Peter Principal instead. You have a point since we see the DOJ's Fast and Furious and clearly the AG should resign for that alone. And they there is Eric Hold, AG, that has let all the Wall Street Fraud be excused and pardoned.

So do you think our Police and Military tend toward the Right or the Left. They are probably focused on being sharp, agressive officers, doing their jobs. The young officers are probably a little dangerous. I would say they mostly are not worried about Individual rights. They are probably working on good take downs, staying safe, and impressing one another.

Training is the most important thing in Military and Police Work. But not only can it be the wrong training, poor training, and incorrectly managed Training. They can be trained by dumbasses.

We see police mistakes everyday. I can only say I hate what I've heard about Waco and Ruby Ridge. There should be a way to fire any exectuvie involved in Fast and Furious, Cover up of Financial Crisis, Ruby Ridge, and Waco Texas.

[-] -1 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

I agree. So how does all of this support your idea that democrats are caring, sharing, gods?

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well just that in general people want good outcomes, excpet Republicans.

I can't say I trust democratic leadership. Probably I have problem with authorities in general. I just never saw a grass roots movement from Republicans. There are no Reform ideas from Republicans. And I don't believe there ever will be an effort by Rebpublicans to curb corporations, set ethics for corporations, limit corporate power, limit corporate lobbying, gift giving, campaign contributions, etc.

I would definiately support grass roots (common people) in third parties for president or whatever.

[-] -1 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

No grass roots from the republicans? The Tea party? And frankly, I don't see any grass roots from the democrats either. Well, many of the regular posters in OWS are obviously democrat worshippers. And I don't see any real limitations of corporate power from the democrats either.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You got a point there about the demos. We all know there is no leadership coming across in the Main Stream Media. Politicians don't lay out how government works, reveal their research about issues or problems, don't tell communities how to fight politicians or change the system.

When I had Cable - I did see Barney Frank on CNN and Fox give some very good explainations while being pushed around by the shows host. Have to admit Barney Frank is a smart guy, pays attension, and will tell people what is happening.

The other guy that does stand out is Bernei Sanders. So Bernie, Franks and maybe Dennis Kucinish and Ron Paul. There is all the Leadership in Washington.

Haven't really heard good stuff yet from the Tea Party guys. I'm probably missing it since I don't get cable. Econoists that I trade email with are sure the Tea party doesn't know how an economy works. You cut off the money in a system like the USA, and you get Austerity and Depression. I would cut money from programs and move it to producive investments. I would target investment. I don't really like subsidies, but think I could only get a few cut out of the 2000 that we have now in the USA. I mean maybe we could cut tobacco, oil exploration, soybean, corn, and maybe a mess of them in Health and Human Servcies...

[-] 0 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

Barney Frank was a key player in the collapse of the housing market. But I'm starting to get your point about the media in this country.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Did anyone else see the Video about US Tax Exempt Foundations and their influence with all of their Big Money??? Essentially it comes down to a young woman who got involved in documenting what these Foundations were doing and what their Long Range Strategic Plans revealed. In the end the young woman had her life ruined...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLVnzV0Vk94 (Part one of Six) G. Edward Griffin is a Film Maker, Historian and possible conspiracy Theorist.

Anyway there was a big Congressional Inquiry like in 1952 about Foundations. Seems like in the end - It was a Power Struggle against the investigators by Congress and the Foundations. Sounds like a good Case Study if you are interested in Government Leadership, The Invisible Hand of puppet masters, Project management in the Government, Etc.

Most of the Documentary is an Interview with Norman Dodd, New York Banker, Director of Research for the Reece Committee in 1953, interviewed in 1982 or so. The Reece Committee 1952-54 is what the investigation was called.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations

The Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations and Comparable Organizations was an investigative committee of the United States House of Representatives between 1952 and 1954.[1] The committee was originally created by House Resolution 561 during the 82nd Congress. The committee investigated the use of funds by tax-exempt organizations (non-profit organizations) to see if they were being used to support communism.[2][3] The committee was alternatively known as the Cox Committee and the Reece Committee after its two chairmen, Edward E. Cox and B. Carroll Reece.

It is about 7 minutes into part 2 that Norman starts talking about the Reece Committee here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7nsa4MucXc&feature=relmfu

Check 2 minutes into part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TlsbmbcLcw&feature=relmfu

Then check 6:30 minutes into part 3

Then check 2 Minutes into part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGnAWUPW-RM&feature=relmfu

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

LOL!!!!!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So the law enforcement people who perpetrated the horrible acts you allege were democrats?

Or are you suggesting a dem President micromanaged things to such an extent that they ordered the "shooting of that women holding the baby"

Are you joking or just an anti dem partisan?

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

The Bill of Rights? Are you kidding me, how are you going to teach what you do not understand? If you understood the Bill of Rights, Obamacare would have never passed.... they trampled all over our rights with that one and that, no doubt, is what your kids are destined to learn - they have no rights.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You are posting a conclusion. And then making one point about Obama Care.

Progressive Countries believe in affordable health care and education. Would you terminate:

A) The progressive tax
B) Free Primary Education
C) Interstate highway System (no longer required for national security)
D) Public utilities like Water and Electric
E) Social Security
F) Medicare parts A, B, C, D, etc
G) Unemployement Insurance (Federal Program)

Maybe you have some objections to:

A) Affordable Civil Court where you could take on a Multinational Corporation.
B) Individual Savings accounts susidized with 5% Interest for each American Saver who is a person.
C) A Streamlined Federal tax System understandable to a 6th Grader (just like US Army regulations) and where all citizens can see and understand how corporations are paying their taxes and what their Yearly Revenue is, and how much they are paying their Executives.
D) Independent Auditing Agencies in the USA.
E) Financial Ratings Agencies free from Conflict of Interest who rate corporations based on administrative costs, executive pays, differed wages, complex compensation packages.
F) Life Time government Employees to keep them from Conflict Of Interest, Regulation Capture, revolving door to industry, bribery.
G) No Campaign Contributions, Gift Giving, or Lobbying to Federal Employees or Elected representatives.

Aren't those Progressive Ideas? Don't you live in a Progressive Country?

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I don't necessarily see change as progress, no. What most of these items represent are societal tools necessitated by industrialization and increased population density.

In my opinion, no single item has inflicted more societal damage than the automobile which linked all in this endless web of concrete - it's been highly detrimental to community and economy.

The first four in your list I would throw out entirely; the world was a better place without them.

We reached the pinnacle of man's desire two hundred years ago; I don't believe I live in world that progressively serves mankind's desire, but rather one that is quickly regressing.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Fair enough. Hey have you looked at the Growth of the Federal Education Budget? You just reminded me. I'm telling you it is huge growth. Actually most of the Federal Budget has grown like 200% since like 1998. I've been saying it is a kind of Economic Stimulus Plan that has been going on, but no one talks about.

Anyway, I think the Federal Budget takes over a lot of secondary education funding at this point. Some of it is for mentally challenged kids I think.

But I can't see any benefit from Federal involvement in Education. If anything seems to have stagnated at a cost of hunders of Billions of dollars. There is a Theory out there that Federal Government actually wants to make student dumber or more suseptible to government ideas. You can believe it, if you meet a smart kid from a private school or another country.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

naaaa

kids from private schools don't impress me more than any other

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Anyway the point was have you met a bright kid ...and said well why aren't more kids so smart, or impressive.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the law of averages

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Kind of wish I was a teacher, but then I think of the politics and am glad I am not. It is big can of worms.

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Diversity and public funding have been highly detrimental to the concept of learning as institutionalized.

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[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

See the above, and I now rest my case.

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[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Set Constitutionality aside for one minute Zen... and explain to me why it is that a doctor employed by a hospital to overlook the care of all those in an ICU, is not only permitted to bill his patients individually in addition to that hospital salary but also opt out as a "participating provider" to bill the insurance company for one third, and the individual for the balance of two thirds, of what amounts to thousands of dollars based on hospital rounds, just one or two minute visits, that he rarely ever makes? How is it that doctors are permitted to charge average people thousands of dollars not for hours, but for minutes?

It's not insurance companies that are at fault here - it's hospitals and doctors, and the AMA. Obamacare does not significantly address any of this; those that are employed are going to see increased costs and a diminished benefit.

We need to repeal Obamacare and address these issues or eventually only the rich will have healthcare.

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[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

It's not that at all... I've been nationwide on all these constitutional issues; it's a waste of time to discus them with people who have never even read the Constitution, let alone studied any of our history in depth. People like Scalia get it.... and others get it, too; it's just that their position is married to those politics that created them.

With the current exception of the right to bear arms, we have absolutely no Constitutional rights in this country anymore - government can bend anything to its will; we are no longer a Nation of Law.

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[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I am 100% in favor of radical change to healthcare if you can satisfy our debt, rein in this ridiculous spending, and deal with immigration; if not then it will fail because it is wholly unaffordable for the taxpayer. But hey, if we had dealt with rising healthcare costs before, we wouldn't be here right now. This government never deals with anything that does not profit them.

I'm not squirming; I'm not going to waste another 500 words on this issue, in this forum. I said what I had to say, and it was heard.

In an Obama world the law is not dispassionate - it's willful and malleable; 300 years ago our last remaining King felt exactly the same way; it didn't leave much room for "rights."

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[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You don't believe in any of the Wars we have had from 1960 onward do you?

How about freedow from living in a country with a dumbass government that spent Trillions on war...for no reason...and without benefit.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You don't have a problem with TSA and Homeland Security...Torture, Extrodiary Rendition, no right to a Lawyer, No right to a speedy trial, no right to a day in court, no right to freedowm from isolation in Guatanamo?

Certaiinly we agree that those are actions against humans and individual Rights. You agree that the magna Carta and 1st 10 Ammendements to the US Constitution were progressive?

We have some Common Ground here. And we have some belief in Progressive Reforms.