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Forum Post: “Whose child has to die next?” " WHEN will you find COURAGE to stand up to GUN LOBBY?”

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 8, 2013, 3 p.m. EST by George1234 (82)
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“My nine-year old daughter was murdered in the Tuscon shooting,” says Roxanna Green. “I have one question for our political leaders:"

" WHEN will you find COURAGE to stand up to the GUN LOBBY?”

“Whose child has to die next?”

Mother’s passionate plea to every mother, "we can not wait, we have to demand a plan.”

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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

WRITE CONGRESS:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasable approach. It will not solve all gun problems, but it will reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each
a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws
being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
and you may be less likely to commit a crime

2
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

3
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

you are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours
the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

peripherally-

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time - especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns.

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

I am fundamentally NOT opposed to confiscation, but we WILL get higher compliance
and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback. Take a position of reducing guns,
like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.


Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned / 2.97 homicides
Per 100,000: England…: 6,200 guns owned / 0.07 homicides
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned / 0.14 homicides
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned / 0.51 homicides
Per 100,000: France…..: 31,000 guns owned / 0.06 homicides
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned / 0.08 homicides
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned / 0.90 homicides


Clearly the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

The 1994 gun "ban" did not ban assault weapons. It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons. That is why so many people are buying AR15s before "Obama bans guns"

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well said. Always thorough and on point.

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Your stats are wrong when it comes to how many guns Americans own - Get your facts right when you make the ratio comparing guns owned by Americans to homicides

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

get you facts & tell me
EXACTLY - what is wrong with the numbers that I posted
88,880 guns owned per 100,000
2.97 homicides per 100,000

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Sorry I was looking at from a different perspective - my bad

So lets look at other facts:

Total Gun ownership (same stats as yours) and homicide rate per 100,000

Country Shootings/100,000 Guns/100,000

El Salvador 50.4 5.8 Jamica 47.4 8.1 Honduras 46.7 6.2 Guatemala 38.5 13.1 Swaziland 37.2 6.4 Columbia 28.1 5.9 Brazil 19 8 Panama 12.9 21.7 Mexico 11.1 15 United States 10.2 17.9

So as you can see the US is on the bottom of the list. Anyone can chose and pick to make things look the way they want. Now if you really want to get into facts and figures - we can also include Iraq, Afganastan, Syria and any other middle eastern country that own guns.

Here's the link posted as of Jan 1, 2013

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I did not post all countries - I posted "similar" countries
specifically NOT "drug exporting" countries
and yes - I favor legalizing drugs that would drop the murder rate in all of these counties - maybe by 50%-60%

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That plan had better be universal health coverage and a growth in psychological care/treatment. That along with addressing all of the ills of our society = corpoRAT practices - destruction/pollution/poisoning of the environment - out sourcing/off shoreing work etc etc etc

[-] -2 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

Blah blah utopia kumbaya grow up.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

F - O - SH

[-] 1 points by KevinPotts (368) 1 year ago

ATTENTION Gun Debaters…Please Read This Entire Article…‘The Riddle of the Gun’ By Sam Harris
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23961) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Murder really has not much to do with guns - that being said there is nothing wrong with good regulations.

List of countries - intentional homicides.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free ... en.wikipedia.org/...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1636) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Not ONE More!!!

Bye bye Wild West! Hello 21st Century!!

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Once the guns are removed from society all our problems will be over. I trust all the powers that be in America to do what is right for all of us. We have nothing to worry over once we disarm. Than and only than will we be able to shop and live securly.

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

How about you get off the "emotional" side of this and look at it from the practical side - we have a "violent societal problem" or you can call it a "violent criminal firearms crime".

Lets focus on the youth in this country - they are the ones doing all the killing - Chicago had 500 killings just last year - They have the strongest firearms laws in the country. Didn't stop those killings though did it.

Lots of violent people out there - no respect for themselves - no respect for others.

So what makes you think that "more firearms bans" will stop the problem? It won't.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So if we accept that we have a violent society then I guess it is logical to say the solution is MORE guns.

Is that what you are saying.?

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

An armed society is a polite society.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So our currently armed society is polite? Is that all we should consider?

Or are you just tryin to be cute.?

[-] 0 points by JohnFKennedyIV (11) 1 year ago

Lol. If you want more children to die, ban guns.

Democide:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP1.HTM This is the largest database of Democide death/murder by government on the net after disarmament.262,000,000 million slaughtered by their own governments.6 times more murdered by their own governments than those killed in ALL THE WARS IN THE LAST CENTURY COMBINED. Think about for a minute. Are you going to turn in any weapon if they are banned? Anyone that says "Oh but that could never happen here, this is the USA" is historically unaware. Democide is the best argument against any kind of restrictions or gun bans of any kind in my opinion.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You think the govt is gonna round us up and start killing us in the millions?

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

in 1929 the soviet union established gun control( confiscation) from 1929 -1953, 20 million "dissidents" were rounded up and exterminated. Germany establed gun control ( confiscation) in 1933, from 1939-1945 a total of 13 million jews and other " dissidents" were rounded up and exterminated. china established gun control in 1935, from 1948-1952, 20 million "dissidents " were rounded up and exterminated. and on and on it goes. defenseless people rounded up and murdered by their govts in the 20th century = 56 mil.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The plan MUST inlude real mental health care. This guy proves it.

http://front.moveon.org/want-to-see-a-theyre-coming-for-our-guns-dude-totally-lose-his-sht-on-piers-morgans-show/?rc=daily.share

And of course closing gunsales loopholes, banning semi auto weapons, largescale ammo clips. As well.

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[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

I have not read the posts that comment is pertaining to. If you can say nothing nice say nothing, just for your own sake these harsh words impact your own life. How can anyone undesired be worth that. P.S. Often times we are what we see in others.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are so wise. Thank you. I think the most important thing you said is "I have not read". So you don't really know what you are talking about.

That is amazing. And just so we are clear oh wise one. I can say plenty nice but not about him. Y'see, he is a racist piece of shit, and when I am harassed by a racist piece of shit incessantly I will always make sure they and anyone who happens by knows what he is.

So perhaps you would defend racist pieces of shit. That's fine, that is your prerogative, I do not. I believe it is best to mercilessly denounce them.

I will continue that strategy notwithstanding your wisdom (even though you admit you don't know what you are talkin about).

You suggest perhaps I am a racist piece of shit ("we are what we see in others") because I repeatedly label this guy as such.

Do you think you will convince me I am a racist and therefore get me to stop denouncing racists?.

I take it back, You ain't wise at all. You are clearly ignorant for comin after me without knowing what you are talkin about, you are without integrity for coming to the defense of a racist piece of shit, and doubly ignorant for thinking you can use some old school child psychology on me.

But thanks for contributing. I appreciate it.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

There is no need to thank me while putting me down. I may not know the post though I know how the universe works I am not defending anyone and can relate with repeated harassing from unproductive pukes. The thing is you give them what they seek by admitting upset and also affect your own future. I take the challenges such people present and try saying saying things in a way that weighs upon the deserving instead of me. P.S. everyone does have their good points and together we make a whole.

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[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

unbunch your own panties maybe they like bunched panty what is it to you?

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[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

We will not be getting rid of all the guns. The violence we are causing in war that should not exist will bring the same upon us. We in the name of America need to end this killing.

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[-] -1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

There is no solution. Taking away people's rights will accomplish nothing.