Forum Post: Who is in Charge of this Site?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 6:07 p.m. EST by Sanchez
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I take it this is NOT the official OWS site for NYC. Tell me it isn't. If it is, why not pay someone to monitor it and keep the scum away. If this is a Free Speech site and anyone can participate with no holds barred (regardless of the so called rules), I suggest you change the name of the Site to something else. I really do not understand the purpose or purport of this site. I get that it is a great place to vent and post spiels but it does need some editors. Again, what is the point of this site. Can someone enlighten me.
I have refused to run away from this site simply because it bares the OWS name and I don't want to see it hopelessly taken away by trolls. A lot of us have been wondering what the heck is going on here for a long time now. There are other, more modersted sites: themultitude.org for example, but I think a site baring this movements name needs far more attention!!!
The purpose of this site is to let trolls pretend they are part of the movement. How else will the biased media be able to report "After an extensive review of comments on the official OWS forum, we found numerous anti-Semitic, bigoted, anti-capitalist, anti-patriotic, and hateful remarks being made. Sounds like to me that this movement is just too far out of touch with mainstream America. Now let’s get back to that breaking story of how those patriotic firefighters are in the process of rescuing fluffy from that tree."
Where's your green card Dirty Sanchez?
I am in charge u bitch
OWS is a free speech movement.
And this is the Internet which we see as an open source.
It's run but robots.
Actually my mother...She's 72 years old and lives in the Morris Park section of the Bronx..She's pretty incontinent and senile and that may be the reason she doesn't slam these people down when things get out of hand..Her blindness may also be a contributing factor..Hey, she could be dead for all I know..If someone could drive by and check on her that would be nice (I'm out of state)...She live on 16 Colden Ave Apt #2 right by the old deli..
I thought you were in charge.
Wow dude, I read the 40 comments at the time I write this,. and you where answered a number of times, . this is occupywallst.org Try out all the buttons at the top and read what you like.
There is no official anything,. OWS is a peoples movement not a corporation.., it seems you are projecting structures that you feel are "important" however as people are telling you over and over if you limit one thing you may lose another. Yes there are other forums that are focused and moderated. This one is very loosely moderated,. and seemingly intermittently. when you get 300 million people together it tends to get a tad noisy,. this is good and bad. such is life.
Suggest you look up the definitions of organization or entity, etc. And no one answered the question until you have. The point which you fail to understand is, apparently, anybody can post a website and claim to represent the OWS (if not, there should have been a vote at some point). Even a Movement can have an organization of be composed of groups that do. You do have a general assembly that votes on things, makes decision, etc. Right? That is called organization.
It is the first site established by OWS. And I like it. I know how to ignore morons. There is value in letting them spew theire ignorance. It keeps us on our toes.
Go to OWS other website The Multitude.org. This I believe was the original OWS website, but obviously it got overunned with trolls and troublemakers. The other site is better moderated cutting the riff-raff (namely trolls) out.
If you believe in private property, you must side with the originators of this site. They have every right to make the rules and enforce them. If you want to start your own freedom site all the power to you. Maybe you will run it where everyone can speak without getting censored. Private property, freedom, rule of law. Liberty rules! Maybe not here but, they're learning.
That is a bullshit answer and exactly my point. The question is simple: Is this the official NYC OWS site. If so, I assume that there was a discussion, proposal and consensus to it. If not, fine. Just say so. I have never known a serious group or organization to allow free rein on a site they claim is theirs. In other words, what is the purpose of this site? I would assume those in charge or the group consensus would make the decision that the site MUST be dedicated to the CAUSE, and to that end, it should inform, educate, motivate, inspire those who believe in general principles or critique. You can still have this thread but make it a topic that people can click on to open. I would think there would be statement of purpose or a platform more clearly delineated along with other practical topics concerning philosophy, goals, strategies, what is happening geographically with other OWS, etc. This open, free flowing, on going discussion makes the site confusing to those who want to learn more, plug in, join, and help, etc.
http://nycga.net is where the actual working groups in actual New York are posting, working & updating.
This was the original OWS site but got overrun (see Windsofchange, above). According to their homepage it's the "de facto site." Whether or not it was voted on I don't know. I believe this site still does have a purpose, but let me clear my head a bit so I can articulate it better. I'll try to get back to you about it. Definitely check out "themultitude.org" and "occupyr.com" as well. They're moderated.
I have to agree on the point that you make. A site with any goal has to have rules to make sure the message does not get lost. Any disagreement should at least be presented politely and intelligently. The only message I would like the OWS to hear is - Go to Washington DC my friends, and beat your drums so the American people will open their eyes and ears. We still have time to save this country. The Tea Party is with you in spirit. We do agree on many things!
The folks here are, I assume, mostly young, inexperienced, naive, idealistic and utopian with a touch of anarchism and insanity tossed together to make a menagerie or circus, it appears. There is a very important point here but it is lost on this group. I give up.
Isn't the the "99%" tag an invitation to discourse almost all citizens ? If you only want people who agree with you in the discussion, then fine, but you're going to have to drop the "99%" claim.
Is this the official site for NYC OWS? That is my question. Do you have an answer? Has it been discussed and voted on? Or does this site only have quasi-official status. This is an important question. Step back and think about it if you have not.
To tell you the truth, this seems to be the site for every opinion and position you can imagine ranging from hateful Jew-Bashers to crazy AynRand/RonPauler's to suspicious JohnBircher's and dreamy ZeitGeisters. About 1% seem to be able to engage in rational and civil discourse at best. I've been here for months and can assure you it is not the official site of the NYC movement. I'm not sure there IS one.
Yeah. It would be much better if everybody who signed on had an a priori commitment to OWS. There are enough differences among OWS activists and supporters to lead to very rich, productive and interesting discussion, beginning with the very basic tension between reformers and revolutionaries among us.
This is exactly my point. This is a great site to have an free-for-all and engage everyone but if you are trying to build an actual Movement with shared beliefs, conviction, values, a platform, then we NEED a different site with different rules. If there is enough money and it appears there is (if money is an issue), create new site which is the OFFICIAL site and only allow on those who agree in spirit with the Cause. Also, you can keep off or out the anti-semites, Republicans (unless they agree to the general program, platform (which is defined, roughly, right?). You can have longer more serious articles with real discussion, clarification, dialogue and not all the other crap on this site.
The problem is that it would take very close moderating to have a site exclusive to OWS supporters. Beyond that there is the question of exactly what an OWS supporter is. Obviously someone who is bashing everything OWS does is outside the pale, but most cases are not nearly so obvious. For example I recently had a very long discourse with somebody who seemed to be an OWS supporter but was also strongly antiunion (a strong minority current in OWS). Now personally, I happen to believe that OWS would probably not still exist were it not for the solidarity that sectors of organized labor has extended to us. But I also understand that not every OWS activist has that point of view. So such discussions are very hard to moderate, especially if we want a really democratic movement open to all.
There is a problem if this is the official NYC OWS site. I have responded now nearly ten times to four or five persons and no one seems to have an answer to the question: IS this the official NYC OWS site and did it come up for a discussion and vote?
What constitutes "official"? OWS goes out of its way to deny the very existence of any identifiable leadership. It has no constitution. It is governed by a General Assembly the membership of which can literally vary by 100% from one day to the next. That is built into the very nature of a brand new movement. It is what we have to live with. But we also have to recognize exactly how new this movement is. This too shall pass. What I am saying is there is no way to determine exactly what is "official" excepting perhaps the Declaration of the Occupation which can be pointed to when anyone asks what the movement is about.
Go to NYCGA link at the top of this page, create your own account, and look through the different working groups they have.
Again, Yasmine, I must ask the question. It is an important one. Is this the official site of the NYC OWS. If it is, then there is a serious problem. You have general beliefs about the reasons behind OWS, right? Then why let on every joe blow who wants to spout bullshit, discredit you, make up stories, lies, etc. Once again. Is this the official NYC OWS site.
Yes. However, this is just a forum. The real working groups are located at the NYCGA link, which is directly connected to Occupy Wall ST.
There was massive trolling a little while back. Moderators were appointed and have since then censored and deleted what they have deemed a distraction and interference to our growth.
I believe the people of OWS have varying opinions on these 'trolls'. I personally would allow people of different views and beliefs to express themselves. Or respectfully disagree. However, if anyone of any belief starts becoming systematically aggressive, distracting, and insulting, then I would give an official warning. If they trespass that warning, then I would delete them. However, that's my personal belief.
You have to take this up with the moderators.
Thx u yasminec - I can read the site again. Trolling was getting bad because of ease of registration. Now the mods are on top of it...
Cool. Glad to have helped. :)
Yasmine, this is a critical question I am asking. Once again, is this the OFFICIAL website of the NYC OWS Movement. A simple yes or no would suffice. In other words, did it ever come up for discussion and a vote. I would like to know. For me, this is a great place to bullshit and argue superficially. But every legitimate organization or group I know, has an OFFICIAL site that they control. If the point is to attract people to your cause, to educate and inform, to outreach to community, to plan actions, then you have to have a site dedicated to it. If you claim or can affirm that this is that site, then, at the very least, in my humble opinion, it needs to be organized so that this thread of topics is NOT the major focus. There are too many people who disagree with your basic premise constantly posting on here. Have you EVER heard of a group or organization allowing people who staunchly disagree with you to continue to have such a presence of the site?
Forget about this site. There is nothing "official" about it. If you really want to be part of the movement and make a real difference, you need to get off your collective asses and get to an actual real world Occupation.
I already answered your question.
As much as I dislike the much of the vitriol that comes in these forums,....I have to say....we must allow people to vent. We havent been able to speak openly about these thing for a while. In the end, only the 99% comes to sites like this because of curiosity. We will have to learn to respect each others opinions, and come together when the 1% are gone and unable to put us again each other. Just my 2 cents...(soon to be just my '2'...as cents will no longer have any value).
I think people are not understanding my point. Fine, if you want this site as an open public forum. But if you are serious, you have to have your own site, so that the believers, the committed, those that agree with you can have serious discussions without getting sidetracked by all those who totally disagree with what you are doing. Do you get the point? You are hurting yourselves by allowing anyone on a site that purports to be the Official NYC OWS site. It is anarchic. Once again, I ask the question: is this the official NYC OWS site. And if so, did it come up for a vote after some proposal.
I think you said it. It's a free speech site. We don't need to censor like FOX news. There's some jerks on here but I'd rather it be that way as opposed to washing everyone's mouth out with soap.
You mean to tell me that OWS in NYC has no official site?
What do you mean by "official" and why does that description seem to matter so much? I think of ows as a set of beliefs and goals. One of those goals is to prompt discussion and create space for conversation about what has been happening in this country that has created such a gap between the upper and middle and lower classes, and what we the people in this nation want our country to be. That seems to be successfully happening here, so why does it matter of this is the "official" site? Readers have minds of their own, each reader can read and decide who makes sense and who is presenting clear ideas supported by logical arguments and whose goals are most appealing. If you trust the process, and trust the people, ideas like "official" are less relevant than being able to think critically and discuss the issues.
I can see this 'Movement' is going nowhere fast.
Fast doesn't necessarily equal good.
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Mikey dikey, Suggest you go fuck yourself. You are a moron who does not understand the point. Get off your lazy fucking ass and do something other than barf out your inane opinions. I understand this site give you something to do other than have garage sales and such. Get educated. You are embarrassing yourself. Dumbfuck.
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Aha, now we see who you are: racist to the core. I figured. Hate latinos, eh?
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Please not another one crying about the consequence of free speech. God help us.
If you only had a brain. Good luck scarecrow.
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