Forum Post: ~~ Which One of You is.. Un-American !? ~~
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 15, 2012, 1:11 p.m. EST by Marlow
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Hmmmm..
Which one of you on this Forum wants to see the USA fall into oblivion? ...
My best guess would be, ..NONE of You. ...
But look at how well 'Played' we ( i include myself, i'm no Saint)...are.
The Corrupt Politicians.. ( the Good Ole Boys in power since the 70's - to now)...In the Pockets of Banks and Corporations... ...
... ALL Want us to be Divided. That way, when they toss in a 'pro-choice' , or a Tax Law, or a New Interest Percent here and there ..at us, .. We jump on it like a Troll on Shyt. ...
...We are 'PLAYED' to keep these notions going. Played to keep us at each others' throats. Played to keep us from turning our attentions, and slowly our minds.. to THEM! ...
.. We are played by BS on the Pulpit, while they dont mean a dam thing they say. It's only for Show.
..We are played when they get the Media to point out their Differences in Ideas, and approaches to problems.. when in actuality, they ALL are IN on the Same Dam Thing... ...
.. We Are Played at the Polls, at the Voting Booth. Everything is rigged to nudge us to Exactly Where they always intended.. and how?
... We kept IN FIGHTING, and no One was watching THEM! ... ...
It's the OLDEST TRICK in the BOOK.
Best Way to get on Track here Fellas... It to look for our Similarities, and Forgive Each, our differences. ....
And That will only work when we grow up a bit, and realize everyone has an Anti in this Game. That Everyone has needs not met.. That Everyone is trying the Best they can in the Circumstances we find ourselves in.
.. Do that, and then see how Far we Really are able to Reach. ... ..NOT Stoop to. .. Have a wonderful Day.. ..M.
Nice post Marlow.
Yep - we got to stop playing the party game and concentrate on the issues game.
Identify good issues and their supporters and bad issues and their supporters - BUT - Do Not Stop There - We ( the People ) need to push "our" issues and not take lip service as an answer.
"ALL Want us to be Divided. That way, when they toss in a 'pro-choice' , or a Tax Law, or a New Interest Percent here and there ..at us, .. We jump on it like a Troll on Shyt"
NAILED IT
It's sick how much the corporate media plays into that game.
Why talk about the wars and bank fraud when they can just change the subject to something that doesn't affect them?
"Dance puppets dance!" The elite says
Finally a post about how this idea of politics can stop most people are in the middle on issues.
No person agrees with each other 100% and never will
Fact:.. Note here to Forum, the equation is not 1% of the Population vs. 99%, but that only about 400 Billionaires Control 99% of the Money.... ...
That is scandalous. It's an Outrage.. and when you have that few with that much Power.. You have a form of Insanity Running the Show.
.. Greed Breeds Insanity.. ... Same as the NUTS Running the Asylum.
... .. If you want to Change this, all you have to do is become a part of the Occupy in your City and/ or Towns. Its what the whole movement is about... and is there for US.. ALL of us who are learning what has happened to this Country, while we slept.
Occupy is a way to network for the Ethics we ALL agree are just and progressive... for examply.. DKA gave us a LINK on how to bring back Jobs ..
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
.. The more we apply ourselves in a positive effort, the more our needs matter.. and the needs of the Many .. are Met.
.. THAT's good old Fashion Democracy!
Agreed. We are all here because we are angry over the same stuff, more or less. The only thing we disagree about are the solutions, but we can debate and compromise. We can find unity amongst ourselves (and, that scares the crap out of the 1%, or they wouldn't spend all this money and effort trying to divide and misinform us.
Lake, Well put. TY. We very well could agree on Solutions if, we all agreed on how it got to the levels we need to repair. .. First, just in case you are not aware.. the 1% comprises only about 400 'Players' in this Collusion toward a World Government. They Control 99% of the Money..
.. So, It's Not 1% of the Population vs. 99%. It's 400 Greedy Crooks controlling the Lives of More than 99% of the population.. and that Dear People is it in an OUTRAGEOUS Nut Shell.
.. ..M
Citizens Arrest Committee..We have the evidence..
Thank You, Elizabeth Warren.. for backing me up on this Topic... ..M.
Now if we could only get more people to contemplate sanity and then to act on it.
Ok, I know i left my point Somewhere..!? .. Not sure where it went after that .."Oh Captain, my Captain " diddly..
Never Give Up:
Rocky Anderson is on ballot in many states, and he praised Ows as idealistic courageous and convergent with his positions (3RD LINK) His strategy is through social media, as the egyptian s did, wants a revo. Against duopoly. If we met up in public forums, parks, and championed his candidacy, that's freedom of speech. How could that be shut down. And everyone emailed, wrote everyone they know, everyone in the phone book, but keep it optimistic, have kids there, etc pro family and worker.
http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2012/04/01/video-rocky-anderson-forcefully-dismantles-the-logic-of-2-party-system-apologists/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRR5_NdnLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8q2lFSvhPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCEoRUc4B0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtiuAiAzvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DSLUPRunw
http://archive.org/details/scm-48382-rockyandersonstandingupforjust
It was cool to the public when you occupied. Real not staged. For those who know in their soul the system has deep problems, it was inspiring.
Can WE occupy central park(s) and spread the message there, even if it is daily. It was cool you were out in public standing up.
It's just whole country feels conservative, cause cons keep repeative Obama is communist.
OWS was so fast, and not well covered in main media, for most part. I think it was raising awareness, especially when the police got out of line, but now it is easy for public to ignore, and for many they may believe it has faded away:((
If you really want to understand the dynamic, you have to go beyond the issue of greed and understand the nature of evil. I'm talking the biblical kind.
You're starting to catch on; we are being manipulated with abortions women already have, a free contraception they don't care about... Gay rights that they already own... a nonexistent slavery... free fare for people who'd rather not ride. It's all nonsense; the new boss is the same as the old boss, and government marches on to a beat all its own.
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Aye-aye, Captain; we've traveled far, ehh?
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Bit of a fog out there Cap'n?
It's been said the world is flat, Captain. And yet it appears we always go full circle.
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Hi ZenDog,
Have you ever gone to your states repelican facebook page and posted some information and questions for them?
It's too fun. I just sent them this message to WA repub facebook page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_median_personal_income_by_education_attainment_in_the_US.png
The rich are getting the benefits from increased productivity, at the expense of the rest.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/
mind-blowing-charts-senates-income-inequity-hearing Mind-Blowing Charts From the Senate's Income Inequality Hearing
http://www.justicepartyusa.org/
Suppression of unions, and greed of the oligarchs, who are the moral equivalent of greedy pigs. They just don't know better. They're insulated from society. A lot of their wealth creation was in the financial sector, but did they really produce useful products, or lucky gamblers on Wall Street.
Also, when so much is investment, not actually money earned from work, they can pay federal tax of 13.9 percent, like Romney.
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It was likely common in Britain and France? That, of course, is in no way a prejudicial statement; no, definitely not. (What about the Italians?)
Yes, as institutionalized it was peculiar to the Greeks but it was not peculiar to mankind; if it had been Christianity and Islam would not have had to so adamantly set themselves against it; while it seems to have worked quite well for the aristocratic, male dominant, militaristic society, it was virtual anathema to the rising humanism of the clan or family oriented society.
What problems did it create for Washington as a commander, that's the question, and are those concerns still valid today? What influenced that decision, what were the parameters? Was it due to the prejudicial confines of family oriented society - is that prejudice the source of conflict? Or, did it actually create unrelated difficulties of command?
Male bonding... have you read Hamilton? If he hadn't discussed women so much we would get the distinct impression he was Gay, perhaps just Washington's boy. Males "bond" to create the foundation of coalition and they do this through two means: "feats" of strength and bravado and through the discussion of women. These two elements are still present in all hetero dominant military forces. So it would seem, we've imparted some minor difficulty, and difficulty weakens. It remains to be seen, just how forthright all will be relative to sexuality in the military; it remains to be seen if sexuality will find any place of habitation at all in the discipline of command.
I would like to add to this that these are not subject areas that we ordinarily openly discus, for fear of offending women. And while women have been influential to this debate, they have not been full party to the facts.
I did not celebrate the political demise of Bin Laden for fear of the martyr; he too is an enemy of command.
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I'm not big on conspiracy theory but I do notice content which I examine with some curiosity; Hollywood has been steering the conclusions of our social curiosities. There could be other explanations.
But that's not actually what I was talking about. What I've noticed relevant to our above discussion is that R rated movie now more often earns its rating as the result of male nudity rather than female nudity. I find it rather comical, but... in my mind, there has been some distinct change, and this too I interpret as social steering.
As for the military, despite the sophistication of advertizing, I think it's a foregone conclusion that Obama will gut it after the election; I don't fully support reductions - I want balance.
I'm not a social butterfly; I don't envision myself changing the world; I'm here only to examine and attempt to satisfy previously existing curiosities.
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yea I agree
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The Federalist Papers are basic to our understanding of the Constitution but we can actually learn much more through published works and the study of their personal papers. Hamilton was extremely intelligent and very articulate; he was also a bit of a character. He is the only one I might label a proxy though in that his words are supportive of his mentor.
The military doesn't often concern itself with injustice; the creation of a killing machine, that must ultimately be sent off to do or die, leaves little room for sentimentality. Is the issue overblown? Yes and no... any sexual relationship, hetero or otherwise, undermines command discipline - it has the potential to create internal conflict, incite schism, and even undermine authority if the result is an unmerited favored status. There is also the issue of male bonding, its effect on small-unit cohesiveness, which ultimately is vital to survival through success, and the command control of a testosterone and adrenaline fueled, vengeful, hate driven, unit of armed killers.
Colin Powell once said that men do not like to shower with men who like to shower with men (words to that effect) - in this environment, this is an understatement.
Is the better commander aloof and indifferent? Not generally; was this the command presence of Harold Moore? I don't know, he was before my time and I haven't read his book (which I just Googled) but I do now know that he successfully commanded lives.
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I find it hard to believe I didn't see this movie but it's possible; I definitely haven't read the book.
Boot camp is just a preliminary; it's intent is to emotionally break them free of all the negativity acquired in the course of the soft life; in the process of living together, learning about each other, sharing adversity together, there is a bond that is developed. But this is not the bond of fighting units, this is only a preliminary staging. From there they go on to specialized training and eventually a specialized unit where they will be provided with a command structure and more training. In modern warfare, only those that train together, fight together, because the cohesive bond has been deemed vital to success. This is wholly different to the Vietnam experience.
I can't comment on Colin Powell's personal experience but I can tell you I've personally witnessed soldiers beat within moments of their lives in the showers. On that level, I can relate.
We here peer through vantage of wisdom, the nineteen year old does not - societal norms of civility do not apply, especially in infantry or attached divisions which, incidentally, are not particularly renowned in the all volunteer army for their intellectual capability. And it's nice to create this fanciful vision of working and learning and playing together but none of this occurs - they train together, they prepare together, they verbally interact in a communal environment, in many cases for the first time in their lives, and they develop a pecking order. How this precisely occurs is a matter worthy of our study and consideration. But rank structure, too, by its very nature is wholly opposed to visions of equality and social justice - there is only one way and it's the UCMJ.
Similar events occur in the para-military organization; today all law enforcement agencies are in effect modeled on concepts of the para-military organization.
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Mel Gibson was in this movie and I missed it? That can't be, that just can't be. I honestly (but honestly, I rarely ever, ever, tell a huge whopper - honestly, really) - I really don't recall, at all.
Where was I in 2002? I can't remember being ten years younger, it seems I've always been exactly as I am. Life is such a blur...
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By the way, I've noticed some recent changes in Hollywood relevant to our discussion here, perhaps you've noticed them, too..
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Aye, Cap'n, the porthole looks different - and look, thar she is - I guess we'll call her "Progress."
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We've been calling the different "Progress" since time immemorial; in reality it is little more than a new porthole to the very same, heaving sea.
And this is why, we shall call you, "Cap'n."
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They say mushrooms are the poor man's white meat, is that true?
Speaking of white, is Sauvignon ok?
I swear if I wasn't so straight, I'd be gay.
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Consider that there are two issues regarding our now Gay military; the first is hetero response, the second is the dynamic of sexuality itself.
There are historical questions that arise... why were they denied in the first place, and why so adamantly denied in the second?
Consider that history can't be examined accurately in hindsight; we must journey to the beginning and look forward into the future of our past.
Those lines of mine...
All prose is poetry... and all the world is metaphor; for?
To what effect or extent, if any, has the death of Bin Laden contributed to martyrdom? To what extent his influence in the absence of martyrdom? Where are the martyrs? Why has the media shut us so completely from events of the Middle East? Who do they really work for?
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Yea, that's the question... why did Washington discharge those who committed sodomy? Why did he do it, and why has the American military reenforced it? What influenced George's decision?
Plato is an interesting military case study in that pederasty as institutionalized seems to have been peculiar to the Greeks....