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Forum Post: Whats Worse?

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 17, 2012, 10:02 a.m. EST by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX
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What's worse: the FED electronically printing money in our name to fund wars and other corporate welfare by using it to buy T-Bonds, Congress borrowing Social Security Trust Fund to do more of the same or the FED electronically printing money in our name to loan to for profit banks at the discount rate to be loaned to US and our government at a profit?

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[-] 5 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Do the cons con us first or are they themselves conned first by themselves?

Read about dysfunctional economy and culture: How Does That Work? https://www.createspace.com/3852916

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

The Fed is a profit bank and in the rape of every human being that inhabits the indebted planet it entertains a paternal vision as justification "We enslaved them, they are our serfs, but at least we provided care for them." And this has been going on since the days of the slav.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

I agree totally with your sentiment. But, while the member banks or their subsidiaries are for profit and the FED facilitates profit of for profit banks, the FED itself is a non profit bank. It is the source of funds, created in our name, to be lent to US and the government, by others at a profit.

[-] 1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

A facilitator, a vehicle - yes, I understand.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Medieval times? Serfdom? Progressive bad?

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You know, one can study history in microcosm; take Estonia for example - for the last ten or fifteen years they have been very active in pursuing their heritage, and the scholarship is very good. It's a good place to study all things medieval and, since they were largely secular by the mid 1700s, even the rise of Enlightenment. But one cannot overlook the correlations... government is the lord of the manor, the manor is the US, and we are the serfs.

And that which you most firmly believe, here as paternalistic, is but an evolutionary fabrication, a fiction - nothing has changed in hundreds of years.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Our government does the bidding of the lords of Wall St, who own America. We have the power to make our government work for US again. We're too stupid to use our power collectively.

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Actually, you're wrong. Government is the enemy.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

I won't waste my breath debating.

Watch:

The American Ruling Class (2005) is a dramatic documentary film written by Lewis H. Lapham and directed by John Kirby that "explores our country’s most taboo topic: class, power and privilege in our nominally democratic republic."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASg-CjhkjE

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I thought greedy corp 1% plutocrats were the enemy and the peoples govt (when we take it back) Is what we must use against those greedy corp 1% plutocrats.

No?

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

"When we take it back" - key words. The 1% is not our enemy, no; it's a corrupt government that markets favorable legislation that is the enemy.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Oh yes, the evil gov't is making them pay less taxes and receiving more subsidies . Are you even contemplating what you are saying? It sounds like something a prepubescent teen would say once he was caught skipping school, "my friends made me do it."

The rich made an economic argument that if they paid less taxes and received more subsidies then the economy would grow. The gov't just did not take into account that the rich would invest in emerging markets and leave the rest of us to fend for our selves. But don't worry, the people are rectifying that mistake.

[+] -4 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

37000 lobbyists, campaign contributions, super pacs, non-profits... all exist to influence government. Government is empowered to say no; it sells a yes. It's not the rich who buy government but rather the government that sells to the rich; they are corrupt to the very core, and beyond. They stay in power through the creation of an image which appeals to you. Which, at the present time, is largely paternalistic.

[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Listen, you are making the same argument that people make when the address the drug use epidemic. What would you say If I told you that it is not the drug pushers fault that so many people are hooked on drugs; it is the druggie's fault, the pushers are just selling it to them, providing a service.

Really, such an argument would crumble on deaf ears. Also, it is not the gov't who pays the lobbyists, so your argument is weak at best. The rich pay the lobbyists, the lobbyists pay the gov't, and the rich receive the benefit, pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

The only point that you make that is not laughable is that it does take two to tango. But once people start holding their gov't accountable, one of the dancers will have to abstain.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Accepting bribes is accepting bribes.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Have you ever heard of law? Have you ever heard of integrity? Congress is corrupt though and through - it sells favorable legislation. You can't blame the rich for buying Congress; you can only blame Congress.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

MYOFB! You can't tell me what to do or say or who to blame. I don't take orders from anyone. Do you really think I'll respect a fool like you!

I CAN BLAME ANYONE I WANT AND I DON'T HAVE TO BLAME ANYONE IF I DON'T WANT TO!

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

This isn't about respect; this isn't about an online persona. I'm just saying this 17th century attack on the bourgeoisie makes no f*cking sense - these are politicians selling legislation that favors corporations over the rights of people.


and to the below, that is really one great perversion of history that completely ignores the struggle to gain the Ohio territory. Or... the 40000 Tories we shipped to Canada.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Their hubris brought down the 17th century [French] aristocracy. The middle classes [plural; look up bourgeoisie] took part in the revolution. Marie Antoinette's “let them eat cake” was interpreted as lack of respect, though some have said she was really that obtuse. [Obtuse mean stupid. Look it up.]

The American Revolution started going bad with the Treaty of Paris of 1783 that ended the war. The Brits insisted that the Tory traitors who were still in America not be subject to reprisals. Instead of US kicking out the rich Tories and confiscating their ill gotten property, we ignored them. Their spiritual heirs are the ruling class who own America today. They are the enemy who are the greatest threat to our survival.

So you see. . . . No you don't do you? That's why it is about respect and why clowns like you and those who run this circus deserve none.

[-] -3 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

"When we take is back" - key words. The 1% is not our enemy, no; it's a corrupt government that markets favorable legislation that is the enemy.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But the corrupt, greedy 1% plutocrats have taken our govt. We MUST take it back. The fovt is just a symptom. The 1% plutocrats are the problem.

You are mistaken.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You're excusing the weak who have no integrity.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I ain't excused anyone. What are you talkin about?

Do you measure integrity by strength/weakness?

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Yes, integrity requires strength - these are corrupt politicians selling government - all of them.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Any pol who sells out should be denounced and recalled.

It will require strength to stand up for progressive change that benefits the 99%. We can help by showing our strength by protesting on the street for that change.

Do you have the strength & integrity to protest for progressive change that benefits the 99%.?

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

They isn't selling out, it's selling in - they are selling favorable legislation that allows others an "in." And they are all corrupt.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh. but it is bad right?

So.

It will require strenghth to stand up for progressive change that benefits the 99%. We can help by showing our strength by protesting on the street for that change.

Do you have the strength & integrity to protest for progressive change that benefits the 99%.?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah, I know. You've already said. Progressive bad!

I heard ya! What are you proposing as the right system for us?

Thx so much.

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You know, in traditionally Protestant Estonia, they can trace their former pagan religion at least ten thousand years; very interesting. But about the year one thousand Estonia turns from the East to face West; no one knows why.

What we do know is that the best swords were made by the Germans on the Rhine, silver too had been discovered in Germany. And then, of course, the Danes are enticed and later the Brothers of the Sword, etc.

In short, I like your proposal but what you interpret as "anarchy," I interpret as survival of the fittest in the form of swords and silver; does that answer your question? This is not only my version of progress, it's an evolutionary mandate - nothing else is possible.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thanks. Sounds like you got it all figured out.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1299) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

How are the government and the people duped by the Lords of Wall St who also are the board of governors of the FED?

Watch:

The American Ruling Class (2005) is a dramatic documentary film written by Lewis H. Lapham and directed by John Kirby that "explores our country’s most taboo topic: class, power and privilege in our nominally democratic republic."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASg-CjhkjE

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[-] -2 points by freewriterguy (882) 1 year ago

definately loaning to banks, the government should just loan the money to us, after all they will always be able to find us, they keep us in a tight reign, We cant buy or sell many things without a social security number, or a drivers license number. Our money is easily monitored in the banking industry because of our social security number that is attached to the bank account that our employer deposits directly, whom by the way also tracks us with a social security number before we even can get a paycheck.

this level of control is so burdenous I believe that when compared to a drug dealer, side by side, our government is far more evil, because they have violated our civil rights and our constitutional rights which greatly threatens our nation as if though the chinese themselves have invaded our borders at gunpoint.