Forum Post: what percentage of "the resistance" owns an ipod or iphone??
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 7:15 p.m. EST by jak321
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The iPod and iPhone are manufactured in Shenzen, China, though Foxconn who maintains factories in countries across the world, including Thailand, Malaysia, the Czech Republic, South Korea, Singapore, and the Philippines. You are supporting a company that sends jobs overseas and takes away from American jobs. Let's cut through the BS...doesn't this make you part of the problem not the solution you all seem so determined to fix.
Do you use oil? You do don't you? You dirty fascist Canadian supporter. You are part of the problem. Do you drink coffee from Georgia? I didn't think so. STFU retard.
Overseas jobs costs us openings, but saves us a ton of money. I'm not saying I support it. It's because taxes are too high and the EPA is too strong/strict.
Agreed. If you don't fully support American only jobs by only purchasing American products, then stop complaining about importing foreign products or outsourcing. Look around your house and see where everything you own is made... I don't like Americans losing jobs either, but I'll admit I'm not selfless enough to give up the Iphone or always pay significantly higher prices for products made in the USA.
ConEdison is cranking out the profits from all those battery recharges. Their stock is close to an all time high. What's good for OWS is good for ConEd. They pay their investors a pretty good dividend too. Win - Win - Win!!
Where were your shoes made- mine USA
your support of Country is based on convenience. how wall street of you. LOL. You are a silly hypocrite like the rest of OWS.
How convenient it was for me to look for three weeks til I found some shoes made in the USA.
My shoes are made in Vietnam and I am sure that the eight-year old who made them is grateful for his wages.
So is your Mexican maid.
Well no, I don't actually pay her. She is kind of a captive in my basement. But don't get me wrong, she eats well and bathes once a week.
This country has had its problems in the past we have them now and we will have them in the future. We are the greatest country in the world. I am proud to be an American.
Just too lazy to spend the time and money necessary to support your country by buying it's products. A real patriot.
Some items are made here and others are not. I am not the one screaming for change. I am not a member nor do I support OWS. I am OK buying something from another country, as are you under certain circumstances. This country is far from perfect but if you and your friends of OWS know a better place than please go and don't forget to clean up your mess.
May I suggest Soviet Russia or North Korea?
And start buying American you twerp.
To the contrary I don't support the occupation of the parks either but I do propose it is taken in a different direction. Which is why I am here.
I own 2 smart phones. An iPhone and an Android. I also sell them if anyone is interested.
of course you do and i am sure you wear clothes that were not manufactured in America. You are part of the problem. It is easy to point the finger at everyone but yourself.
I guess we should all be running out to our American Apparel chains! Too bad their ads are so sexist! ;D
What percentage of the opposition owns an iPhone and iPod. By your logic, our founding fathers shouldn't have rebelled against the King because after all, they owned English furniture.
America needs to get those jobs back. Taxing corporations wont work - but we do need to give the electoral system back to the people. And we do need to wipe out the loophole in 'capital gains' income which allows the mega rich to pay less in taxes than you do.
I'll say this as much as I have to: then why Occupy anywhere but Washington? We're wasting our time anywhere else.
Because the global banking cartel owns Washington and ITS capital is NYC.
Squatting at the bank doorstep may feel good -- really good -- but it's futile. I doubt the bank CEOs are going to race down their elevators wearing wooden barrels, doling out money to the dejected masses. If not, what do you want them to do? I hate to use that hackneyed phrase now, but "what do you expect to happen?" This is a big divide among Occupy supporters/potential supporters. A little insight into tangible possibilities of what change could come from a mob near Wall Street would be helpful. Honestly, the best bet for change is changing things from the government end. Find candidates who WON'T be owned by the cartels (RonPaul? Adbusters staff? yourself?) and run for office and WIN and shape DC up.
I believe the glue that this movement has is that its primarily motivated by the wealth gap and Wall Street has been a proxy for that. I agree that the movement needs to focus its efforts on Washington, but really thats not even that important. The message is the message wherever its broadcast from.
What did Martin Luther King and the civil rights protesters expect? White America to come out and start doling out money? No. They wanted equal voice. We'll our voice has been stolen by the campaign funding apparatus - which not only favors the elite, it assures their complete dominance. So what do I expect to happen? I expect a complete overhaul of the campaign funding system whereby the people can choose who their candidates for leadership are. As it is right now, we get two wolves in sheeps clothing each backed by one side of the media. Its a complete farse.
PS: I'm sure right now they the corporations are funding a 3rd party to create a third fake option for us as well.
Good point, and I get that. Still. I second PRJ's point to occupy the foreclosures -- the park should not be the venue. Take this right to the heart of the matter. It would also be stunning to find as powerful a leader as MLK was in the Civil Rights issue…but maybe that's to come.
I wish. Man (or women) like that come around once every 50 years at best. But times like this have a means of drawing them out. George Washington, Abe Lincoln, MLK, Ghandi, ??????.
Occupy the foreclosures- take back the land.
And we (you and I) need to support American business so the jobs can remain here in this country. You can try to justify it all you want but the fact is you are part of the problem. A great deal of blame needs to go around for sure but for you and OWS to blame everyone else is simply wrong and irresponsible. Look in the mirror.
Thats right. We do need to support American business. That's the first good thing you've said yet. I believe the corporate tax should be lowered, not raised, for all companies producing the majority of their product in the US. 90% of offshoring jobs is to avoid tax disparities. But that still doesn't explain why capital gains tax breaks allow your average Fortune 500 magnate to pay less in taxes than I do. Or that the Corporatocracy owns Washington. Or that the global financial institutions have made a history of plundering the world economy for the gain of the few and at the expense of the many.
Hey PRJ-
You and I are both part of the same problem. At least I have the balls to admit it.
To the contrary. My car is US, My motorcycle is US, My boots are US, My leathers are US, I buy every conceivable item made in the USA- I pay the high dollar to do so as well. But when boots last years rather than months the expenditure is easily justified. Yet for all efforts it is impossible to get a phone made in the USA, or any electronics for that matter. As I said they don't grow coffee in Georgia. So your immature and poorly thought finger pointing should be done in a mirror. What do you drive? Where does your food come from, where were YOUR shoes made. Now if people would just stop shopping at wal-mart.
PRJ, I wonder what you think about a "counter OWS" movement I feel like starting (or I wish Occupy would evolve into) and that's a LOCAVORE-SUSTAINABLE movement. I think if everyone focused on local goods and cultivating a "locavore" sensibility, so many of our society's ills would be remedied -- in a flash. Sustainable farms mean better ecosystems, better foods for our bodies, reconnecting ourselves to where our food comes from. Rooftop farms, even. Using "local" transportation such as your feet or a bike does wonders for improving road safety and cardiovascular systems. Shopping local boosts local economies, people reconnect with each other and build other connections (my local pet supply store is now a hub for learning about lost dogs, finding strays homes, and swapping pet care tips -- really small scale but a powerful real service to the community. The local florist and bakery provides food and small jobs to our neighborhood's homeless, giving them hope, humanity and daily sustenance. Multiply this local mindfulness by dozens, hundreds -- and we've got a healthy thriving community/city/nation. Obviously, we'd have to deal with campaign reform, tax reform, and other big picture stuff, but I think the sustainable - locavore approach is a huge part of improving our population's mental/physical health.
I find great appeal in the idea. I have been advocating adverse possession of property through occupation long before anyone thought of this. All with the intention of creating the counter-cultures you describe above. I do believe that that is the only true revolution.
And, you know, it's already succeeding! Ten years ago, who cared about "where my food comes from?" Now, you can't go one block in NYC without bumping into a "farm to table" establishment. There are more greenmarkets than ever across the country. It's no longer "hippie" to request your power comes from wind and solar power sources (though not enough of the latter - could someone PLEASE charge ahead with a solar agenda!?). I'd even argue Meetups and the thriving book clubs and knitting circles (are these still a big thing?) fall into the local mindfulness category -- people looking around their community and taking advantage/contributing to it.
Beautiful Meesa, you are shiny point of light in a dark shadowy garden.
Seriously, we should spearhead a counter movement! :D
We should. We will. We are. I like the name.
you NEED a phone or fancy electronics? No, you WANT these luxuries and thats OK with me. But just be clear that these things you WANT and don't NEED are produced overseas and it is you and I that are supporting these companies because of the things we WANT not NEED. Again, you and I are part of the problem.
I didn't make it more profitable to ship materials one way then product back. I was not in charge of it. You are accusing me of consumerism. It isn't one of my big faults. I hardly buy anything. Where were the shoes on your feet made? Mine were in Carolina.
Not sure where my sneakers were made but my shoes are Italian.
Traitor. If you like Italy so much why don't you move there?
I don't support OWS I am part of the 99%. Don't speak for me and I won't speak for you. This country is not perfect but I love it.
You stupid idiot- you started this thread. Moron.
Love thy neighbor as thyself ... How is name calling going to solve anything?
That is because the American people have been brainwashed every where they turn to buy, buy, buy. America is just a big resource hog. Once people realize one that this practice is not sustainable and two this materialism has no meaning and is not necessary for a quality life then things will change.
Most everything in America is made in RED China or somewhere else. Even a lot of our food comes from overseas. So how is your statement valid? Personally, I never voted for moving all manufacturing overseas and it makes me mad. No, I do not own an iPod or iPhone ...
What is that leading to? What percentage uses indoor plumbing?
no that you are all a bunch of hypocrites. you support the same companies that you are angry with and the same companies you say our government gives special treatment.
I buy what I need when I can afford it. I want to see the criminals prosecuted. I am not as idealistic as some of the younger folks out here. I have to be realistic and live in this world. But does that mean we can't go after those entities that steal from us?
Well I do. But I actually live in a house. i suggest that you go back to your room at Mommy and Daddy's house, grab your binky and go night-night.
I get from that that you think I'm a baby for reveling in the demise of the criminals that we protest against. I appreciate your right to speak.
They are all posting comment on computers manufactured in Asia
Fine, give me a computer that is made in America!
Find me non lazy workers that demand a reasonable wage and I will.m But you won't find this in America
But jak321, these people are pure with their thoughts. I just had one say he was highly intelligent and much more evolved than me.....what a hoot.
Isn't your name 'KnowledgeableFellow'? And you're disconcerted than someone else could proclaim themselves 'highly intelligent'. That's proposterous. Claim your rightful monopoly on knowledge. Don't let these hippy jobless children tell you their smart.
No hippy, jobless child here! There are all ages supporting OWS.
I was being fecetious.
Good because I am 64.