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Forum Post: What IF ??? Putting a reign on pandering to money.

Posted 3 years ago on June 16, 2014, 11:33 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN
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What if an investor was held to only "ever" receiving back their investment plus a maximum of 10% of the investment total ?



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[-] 2 points by elf3 (3897) 3 years ago

What if unicorns were real and corporations didn't make the laws that govern the people (workers)... corpirations are manufacturing using slave and child labor with a despot regime that uses political prisoners (workers who protest the system) for organ donation to the ruling class elites to make 400 percent markups while selling out our nation and progress as well as innovation to make products as cheap as possible so they can sit on top of a pile of wealth and call us stupid because all we want is a civil functioning society where we all have a voice and a decent existence... .

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Chop one horn off of a rino - then we can pretend. But we can not continue to pretend that the greedy will change of their own accord.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3897) 3 years ago

Yes its also funny we think we can change them or that deep down under all that psychopathy there lies a real human being in there that can be reasoned with. There is no rational thing we can do other than to disband them...corporations have no place in society other than in jail with the rest of the sociopaths and psychopaths who will do anything to reaffirm their self worship and control over people who know how to feel.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Yep - break em up - into manageable pieces - but to do that in truth - then there needs to be restrictions on ownership on shares and on investments - the daisy chain has to be cut. This brings us back to chopping off one of that rino's horns. The rino is not gonna volunteer to become a unicorn ( unihorn? ).

[-] 3 points by elf3 (3897) 3 years ago

Since they now make laws we aren't able to attack them via courts or laws ...we have to break laws...we have to refuse to comply with their laws effectually their lawlessness since they broke the system to make it their own system we must do the same...we can't allow their laws the benefit of enforcement and we must break the laws to get our system back

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

By the time it comes to open rebellion - we will all likely be distilling our own water because the water supply will be all fracked-up - and by that time - the living may well envy the dead.

[-] 4 points by elf3 (3897) 3 years ago

What about a movement refusing to pay back credit cards etc ...something authority and powers that be could never enforce if the entire country got on board.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[ EDIT ] Likely only to happen "just" prior to the final spark that sets off the open rebellion. Do you understand how ugly things will have to be prior to any meaningful large scale protest of the masses is gonna coalesce?

EDIT -> But one thing to note. As we go forward and as things continue to worsen - there will be more fragile minds snapping - and we will see more Texass Type TP Cop killers and just killers in general along with an ever increasing suicide rate.

OH - AND - increased policing and loss of public freedoms won't help. Only policing starting at the very top of the current pyramid scheme will be helpful.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

If ANY business however it is set-up Corp(se)oRATion or whatever - again - If any business is taking public money - IT - has no business paying dividends ( at all ) to share holders nor High wages or bonuses to management. As long as they are on the public dole ( subsidies ) all monies from the public should go towards making that business successful - successful enough to stand on it's own - at which time ( standing on it's own ) it can start paying dividends and bonuses and look at higher wages.

This is obviously stated in regards to wallstreet ( 85 billion a month public money ) as well as other wealthy/prosperous ( if only for the owner the management and any shareholders ) business concern as in fossil fuel as well - as well as such like wallmart the public assistance required employer.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

The OH SO LAME Non-argument - well if we don't pay our management exorbitant pay plus exorbitant bonuses ( failing business now ) - why Hell - they will leave and go somewhere else!

Fine let them go somewhere else - they got you into a failing position to begin with - let them go and do the same for someone else and let that someone else let em go as their business starts to flounder. FAILURE DOES NOT GET REWARDS !!! If they can't work for a bare bones income the same as labor does to get the business back on it's feet and properly profitable - then they are not worth retaining. WTFU !!!

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 3 years ago

Damn right. But we have, by far, the highest paid CEOs anywhere in the world. So if by some miracle, our sold-out government did pass legislation to limit the pay of CEOs, tie it to performance, or even cut that pay by 75%, they would still be on average, the highest paid CEOs in the world. So their excuses to justify the outrageous pay are all CRAP.

By the way, can you link a good article that breaks down the 85 billion per month? I sure would like to mention that on talk radio some time with figures to back it up. I'm sick to death of hearing die-hard conservative talk radio hosts complain about financial aid to the poor but NOT ONE WORD about financial aid to the rich and their corporate golden geese.

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 3 years ago

Just in case you'd like to know:

Top 10 CEO scum in U.S.A. for 2013:

Lawrence Ellison, Oracle $76.9M

Leslie Moonves, CBS $65.4M, payraise 11.1%

Michael Fries, Liberty Global $45.4M, payraise 248%

Richard Adkerson, Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold, $38.9M, payraise 125.1%

Phil Dauman, Viacom, $36.8M, payraise 11%

Robert Iger, Disney, $33.4M,

Jeff Bewkes, Time Warner, $32.4M, payraise 26.9%

Mark Bertolini, Aetna $31.2M, payraise 174.9%

Fabrizo Freda, Estee Lauder, $30.9, payraise 140.1%

Jeff Immelt, General Electric, $28.2M, payraise 262.1%

(per Business insider.com, http://www.businessinsider.com/highest-paid-ceos-in-america-2014-5)

Sheldon Adelson increased his net worth by $15Bil. last year.

Mark Zuckerberg made $13.6Bil

And Jeff Bezos made $13.3Bil.

Christy Walton made around $15 Bil

Bill Gates makes $25.5M each day.

(Forbes estimates)

Them poor CEOs with their measly million dollar salaries just can't keep up with the real big boys and girls.

I had a good year too. I got a 2.1% pay raise.

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 3 years ago

Hey. I have an idea. Lets give ALL OF OUR WEALTH to the rich. Every home, every acre, every dollar and every last penny. ALL OF IT. That way, the rich would have even more money to hire workers and give to charity! Just imagine all the good they could do with every last shred of wealth on Earth!

Then again, we could throw all of them into a giant meat grinder and feed every dog on Earth for a month. We could mix their remains with tar and fill a lot of pot holes. Paint them yellow and glue them to the road in school zones.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 3 years ago

I find the latter thought more appropriate.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[ EDIT ] What you want to look into is Quantitative easing.

But here is an article ( I don't have anything saved myself and would also need to pull up some research on it again ) :

$85 billion per month from the Federal Reserve drives ...

EDIT -> Sorry the above not really an article - here is one from USA Today:

Why does Wall Street fear Fed's taper plan?

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 3 years ago

Astonishing. They just can't bring themselves to do anything whatsoever about the near empty fuel tank (the actual buying power of the lower majority) so they keep the engine running on can after can of starting fluid.

This wouldn't be so incredibly unforgivable, despicable, and reckless if it weren't for that Gxx dxxx unjustifiable concentration of wealth already at record high levels. But it is. Not only do they refuse to address it in any way other than lip service. They even have the nerve to inject the bulk of new money supply directly into Wall Street.

If there were a God, then many of our business and government leaders would be stricken down cold and dead for their Earth shattering greed and corruption. It's even worse now than it was just a few years ago. The 85 billion per month alone is proof of that.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Brings to mind thoughts of - a Rich man a Camel and the eye of a needle. My follow-up comment shows what is being done today in a very small way - that if expanded could go to all forms of industry and transportation - "there" is our public works program for this day and age. As like ya say they are running on can after can of starter fluid and not getting anywhere.

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (343) 3 years ago

That's it. If they used that money supply instead to fund a legitimate public works program like the one which helped to rebuild the middle class under FDR, then it would be win win for EVERYONE but the rich.

But that would be too logical and far too noble.

This clinches it. There is absolutely no remaining doubt. There WILL be a global depression. The likes of which have never been seen. The only question is when. My guess is that it will take place under the next administration.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33490) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Hell even the wealthy could ( scratch that and replace with WOULD ) benefit - the current owners of the existing infrastructure as well as owners of business. Clean fuel/energy is prosperous - for everyone.

We have not left the gr8 recession yet - though it keeps getting touted that it ended a couple of years ago. Stop dumping that starter fluid down the carburetor and see how long the engine of basically fiction ( smoke and mirrors ) continues to run.

We could already be living in energy - clean energy - independence right now - if we had done that investment rather than the monthly wall street straight down the crapper throw away.