Forum Post: we need more laws to control guns
Posted 11 years ago on June 6, 2012, 3:12 p.m. EST by bensdad
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more laws to control asses
We need more guns to control laws!
"We need more guns to control laws!"
Excellent post and your wife is a brave women.
They just can't stand stories like yours that demonstrate one of the most important reasons our 2nd Amendment rights are so vital.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/16/americas-deadly-devotion-guns
90 guns for every 100 Americans, 85 citizen killings a day. Guns don't make a safe America.
BTW - Did you know that most British police officers do not carry a gun?
Guns are the number one cause of death from African Americans under the age of 44.
lol yes.. and the shooters were taxpaying law abiding citizens too.. those laws would have made all the difference to them!. they would have thought " look.. i can deal drugs, sell women, rob , steal cars., but by god theres a law against owning this gun.. dang i better not do that!.
The only thing I know is US is a dangerous place because there are guns all around, and that's why US citizens lead lives of fear. It's not like that in many other countries.
But, do what you like. If you feel like owning guns makes life better than go ahead. Keep killing each other, that's not my problem.
us citizens do not lead lives of fear. only fear of the government! one extra reason for owning guns.. in case the government goes crazy.
I see you've never lived outside of US. Your whole culture is based around the fear of others.
Oh well, 2 more will take each fatality's place
Yes I did,having lived there before. You're still not understanding the big picture. That's because you're a Utopian Leftist that is propagandized beyond help.
Read the article I provided. Read the statistics. I think it's you that doesn't understand the big picture. I think you just like to have a long narrow hard object in your hand. It makes you feel powerful. That's all you care about. You don't care about statistics that show how many people die and get injured because of your fetish for holding phallic like objects. Hold a big pencil instead.
Projecting again I see.
I see you have absolutely no logical skills at all.
we need more guns to control lawyers
You want less gun violence in the states? End the war on drugs and create drug programs that deal with the problem. 90% of the gun violence in this country can be traced right back to all of the issues the war on drugs have created. Think about it, its not that hard to understand. The vast majority of murders are committed by gangs and the main source of profits for gangs is....you guessed it, selling drugs.
My wife had our 6month old daughter with her at a grocery store a few years ago. Two men tried to carjack her. My wife has a Carry permit. She pulled the pistol from her purse and the two men ran away. She called 911. The two men were arrested 5 blocks away. I thank God my wife had a gun and knew how to use it. My daughter is 19 now and I love her more every day.
I'm glad your wife had a gun too
That story could have turned very sour. You should never confront criminals when you have a baby around. Next time, the guys will pull out their gun, and it will be a battle. You Americans are nuts and funny.
My daugther was in a car seat in the back. My wife was at the drivers door. The bad guys would have taken the car with my daughter in it. My wife and I will die for our daughter. But, we will die fighting.
You do realize you are in more danger in the US than in Canada, and the reason is because guns are so easily available in US. It's a simple question of statistics. Making guns available increases deaths and injuries.
Then why is gun crime in Sweden so low when there are more armed citizens per capita then any other country in world? Its not guns that are the issue. Like so many other problems in this country gun crime is a symptom of a bigger problem. If we are ever going to turn this country around people need to start looking at the bigger picture. Its a lot like money in politics. The issue of money in politics has created so many problems in this country that will never be solved in tell we deal with money in politics. From for profit wars to these to big to fail banks.
The mistake your wife made was to leave her daughter alone in the car.
If you and your wife really care about the safety of your daughter, then you would move to Canada where there are no guns and people are a lot safer as a result.
Wife did not leave my daughter alone. She put her in the car seat in the back., closed the door, opened the front and was jumped by two scumbags. The store had parkinglot video. If not for her pistol, my wife and daughter might be dead right now.
@ TrashyScumSucker : Is that why you f-cked off to Bali from Montreal ?! Or were you chased outta town ?!! Or did your long suffering parents have to pay you to leave - again ?!!!
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Who and what are you talking about? I used to live in Chicago, now I live in Toronto. My name is Heather Scott.
Lol. Don't mind shadz, he just tries to keep it lively around here.
Yawn.
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I get it now,you're an anti-American foreign national.
What do you have against freedom and free will?
What do you have against the American Constitution?
If you've come here to bash my country I hope you came knowing you'll get your $hit handed to you,a$$wipe.
I'm not anti-American at all. I think there are many great things in America, and many problems as well. I'm simply pointing out the problems hoping they get fixed. I lived in America for many years and enjoyed most of it.
I don't have anything against free will or your American constitution, I'm just saying that more guns = more murders, more injuries, etc...
Well get this,the 2nd Amendment IS not a "problem". The subjects that you are railing about strike at the very heart of my country. You have your opinion as do I. My opinion of you is that you are extremely ignorant and misinformed about the founding of America and are a complete Leftist.
Your asinine logic is laughable, "more guns=more murder,more injuries" , I suppose people do not commit murder in the UK? Canada? You're a fucking fool,you sound like one and why don't you try to learn about the 2nd Amendment and my country (apparently you neglected that when you lived here) before you mouth off about something you are completely clueless about.
Look at statistics from around the world. The more a country has guns, the more its citizens get hurt and die. It's crystal clear. I'm sorry, but it's you who seems clueless.
Weapons are not the answer to a more peaceful world.
If guns make people safer, why is America the society that lives the most in fear. Why are there drive buy shootings, corner store robberies with guns, etc... much more than in any other country?
You now have confirmed that you are nothing more than a Utopian Leftist trying to use pathetic,sophomoric logic to make your case.
If there was not a single gun in the entire world,people would still murder,rape and rob for all the same reasons,with any manner of weapon or object. They would perpetrate the same crimes with an armed population.
You know this but don't seem to want to acknowledge it because it shoots your Utopian logic fallacy down.
If you're going to try to play a game of reason at least come prepared.
The statistics don't lie. In America, year after year, there are more murders per capita than any other developed nation. And, countries with more guns have more murders. Yes, you can kill a person with a kitchen knife, but it's much easier with a gun. Many of the murders and injuries happen because people panic for one reason or another, or make an accident and press the trigger. Most murders are not premeditated. If a person had a knife instead, it's likely that he would not kill out of panic. It would reduce a huge number of death and injuries, and does in other countries.
How do you explain that in Canada where hand guns are outlawed, there are not so many murders and injuries like in US. If you argument is worthy and people need guns for protection, then it would mean Canadians are less protected than Americans. Still, they are a lot calmer. Why is it then that Americans are generally much more fearful even though they have guns? I used to live in Toronto and I never once was scared of walking the streets at 3:am completely unarmed. It was just peaceful.
I own guns and am not in "fear". I'm usually calm,cool and collected. I only lose my temper with Leftists that are clueless and wish to push their Utopian beliefs. Your comments are nothing more than falsehoods and projection. You have no clue of what you speak.
Falsehoods? They are based on facts and statistics collected throughout the world. I think you need to educate yourself. Your country would be a lot safer without guns. That's proven.
I think you just like to hold and manipulate hard phallic like objets.
Projecting again I see.
We are not talking about robberies, but murders and injuries caused by guns. Yes, without guns there would still be robberies, but there would be a lot less murders and injuries like we can see in other countries. The fact is, most robbers don't want to kill. They want to rob. But, when a citizen pull a gun on them, then either the citizen shoots out of panic, or the robber does. This is a tragedy.
Look at the Zimmerman case. There probably wouldn't be a dead teenager if Zimmerman didn't have a gun. He would have called the cops instead of getting out of his car. The only reason he caught out is because he felt powerful with his gun.
"The fact is, most robbers don't want to kill. They want to rob. But, when a citizen pull a gun on them, then either the citizen shoots out of panic, or the robber does."
The fact is you do not know what is in the mind or heart of any other Human being. You are projecting again with your flawed reasoning. You use this ignorant simplistic reasoning to make your case and it's so pathetic. That is truly the tragedy here. Your mind is completely closed to anything other than your propagandized predispositions.
How about put your valuables in a safe deposit box. If you're still scared, have a good insurance policy, carry a spray bottle of mace and have a baseball bat next to your bed. Get a good guard dog. Then maybe you won't be so afraid at night.
And get some Viagra. Then maybe you won't have that desire to shoot off other things.
How about get a sense of humor,something that actually makes people laugh cause you're funny not cause your so fucking pathetically ridicules ie:
" insurance policy, carry a spray bottle of mace and have a baseball bat next to your bed"
I for one don't feel the need to try and mace somebody out of my house or try to fend of one or more intruders that might have a gun or a knife with a baseball bat.....good insurance won't intimidate anybody,a guard dog is the only suggestion you made that makes sense but it won't substitute for a shotgun or a handgun of 357/45/9mm cal with some kind of safety slug to prevent over penetration of walls and doors.
You have a very intense desire to shoot off your mouth,there are meds to help you with that condition.
Maybe you've learned something.....naw you didn't.
You've got some anger management issues. Your user name has 'mad' in it. You shoot off guns. You attack me with an angry tirade. There is something wrong with you. But go ahead. Cling to your angry phallic symbol. Hug it at night and stroke it lovingly if it makes you feel good.
Again,I refer back to my previous suggestion.
I've not "attacked" you but only tell you in no uncertain terms where I believe you are wrong and to let you know that you're actually not that funny if being a smart ass is your goal. I'd say work at it more and soon you'll be the smartest ass on this whole forum.
Here ya go. More phallic symbols since you love them so much. These don't kill people though.
http://www.oddee.com/item_98121.aspx
Whatever.
I am not projecting, I am basing my claims on statistics. Most murders that happen during robberies are not premeditated. That's a fact. They usually happen because of an altercation, and then an accident. In Canada, there are a lot of house robberies, but because the robbers don't think people have guns they don't get all agitated when they get caught. And the people catching them don't go nuts with a gun, they usually just call the police and don't confront them. It's common sense. A person you don't know who robs your house is looking for money, not to kill you.
Oh I see,you're passive,scared and don't have the courage to defend your family's lives and your own life,much less your property.
You have every scenario already written and arranged in your own mind. You think every robber just wants money and he's actually a nice guy but needs some of your property and money to get by. Nobody wants to rape your wife or daughter or kill you and them so nobody can identify him....no,that would never happen. How about your Canadian homo-porn star that didn't use a gun but killed and cut his ugh,....lover to pieces and sent them to other people?
You must be some kind of scriptwriter cause you think you have all the answers when you don't even know the questions to ask.
If you don't like guns or want to own a gun then DON'T!! It's that simple.
You Leftist's do this all the time you want to impose your Utopian ideologies onto everybody else rather then respecting their ideals and freedoms.
You would make a good Obama or H1tler.
No, I simply don't have that problem because I don't live in a country where there is almost 1 gun per citizen. I have an alarm system and a guard dog, and that's enough. I don't need a gun in the house and don't want one. I feel much safer than if I lived in US where any teenager can be carrying a gun at any time.
It's not that simple, because if guns are allowed, then anyone around me can have a gun easily. In my country, people don't have guns, hence people don't get murdered by guns on a daily basis. There's about 85 gun murders in US everyday. There's not even that in Canada in one year.
dont put bullets in guns or fists in ......_
this is a wedge issue of no value
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Every gun owner I know is extremely conscientious about guns and the danger they represent. Go to a gun range and improperly handle a gun and watch yourself get escorted from the premises post haste.
The truth about gun laws is that there are already enough on the books such that we should be safe. However, there is sickness in America and we cant police the sick ones. So the responsible, serious gun owners get thrown into the mix with the sickos.
ya no geoge z? doo ya?
Synopsis for Bowling for Columbine (2002) More at IMDbPro »
In Michael Moore's discussions with various people... including South Park co-creator Matt Stone, the National Rifle Association's then-president Charlton Heston, and musician Marilyn Manson... he seeks to explain why the Columbine massacre occurred and why the United States has a high violent crime rate (especially crimes involving guns).
"Bowling"
The film title originates from the story that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold the two Colorado high school students who were responsible for the Columbine High School massacre/shooting spree on April 20, 1999, attended a school bowling class early that morning, at 6:00 a.m., before they committed the attacks at school starting at 11:19 a.m. Later investigation showed that this was based on mistaken recollections, and Glenn Moore of the Golden Police Department concluded that they were absent from school on the day of the attack.
Moore compares gun ownership and gun violence in other countries with gun ownership and gun violence in the United States. Moore concludes that there is no connection between gun ownership and gun violence. In search of the reason for the United Statess trigger mania, Moore discovers a culture of fear created by the government and the media. He says that fear leads Americans to arm themselves, to gun-making companies' advantage. Moore suggests sarcastically that bowling could have been just as responsible for the attacks on the school as Marilyn Manson, or even Bill Clinton, who launched bombing attacks on several countries around that time.
"Free gun for opening a bank account"
Michael Moore upon receiving his free gun at the bank. An early scene depicts how Moore discovered a bank in Michigan that would give customers a free hunting rifle when they made a deposit of a certain size into a time deposit account. The film follows Moore as he goes to the bank, makes his deposit, fills out the forms, and awaits the result of a background check before walking out of the bank carrying a brand new Weatherby hunting rifle.
Just before leaving the bank, Moore jokingly asks, "Do you think it's a little dangerous handing out guns at a bank?"
People buying guns; residents of Virgin, Utah, a town that passed a law requiring all residents to own guns; people firing rifles at carnivals and shooting ranges; footage of Denise Ames operating an assault rifle; footage of Carey McWilliams, a visually impaired gun enthusiast; footage of Gary Plauche killing Jeff Doucet, a man who had kidnapped his son and molested him; the suicide of Budd Dwyer; a 1993 murder where Emilio Nuñez shot his ex-wife Maritza Martin to death during an interview on the Telemundo program Ocurrió Asi; the suicide of Daniel V. Jones; a man who takes his shirt off and is shot during a riot.
"Weapons of mass destruction"
Moore links the violent behavior of the Columbine shooters to the presence in Littleton of a large defense establishment, manufacturing rocket technology. It is implied that the presence of this facility within the community, and the acceptance of institutionalized violence as a solution to conflict, contributed to the mindset that led to the massacre.
Moore conducts an interview with Evan McCollum, Director of Communications at a Lockheed Martin plant near Columbine, and asks him:
"So you don't think our kids say to themselves, 'Dad goes off to the factory every day, he builds missiles of mass destruction. What's the difference between that mass destruction and the mass destruction over at Columbine High School?'"
McCollum responded:
"I guess I don't see that specific connection because the missiles that you're talking about were built and designed to defend us from somebody else who would be aggressors against us."
"What a Wonderful World" (montage) The film then cuts to a montage of rather treacherous American foreign policy decisions, with the delibrate intent to contradict McCollum's statement by citing examples of how the United States has frequently been the aggressor nation. This montage is set to the song "What a Wonderful World" performed by Louis Armstrong.
The following is an exact transcript of the onscreen text in the Wonderful World segment:
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asiaduring the Vietnam War.
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages 1973 Chilean coup d'état in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.
1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.
1980s: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds the Contras. 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
1982: U.S. provides billions of dollars in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983: The White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1998: Clinton bombs possible weapons factory in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.
1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-2001: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in aid.
Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.
The montage then ends with handheld-camera footage of the second WTC plane crash, the audio consisting solely of the hysterical reactions of the witnesses, recorded by the camera's microphone.
"Climate of Fear"
Moore attempts to contrast this with the attitude prevailing in Canada, where (he states) gun ownership is at similar levels to the U.S. He illustrates his thesis by visiting neighborhoods in Canada near the Canada-U.S. border, where he finds front doors unlocked and much less concern over crime and security.
In this section, a montage of possible causes for gun violence are stated by several social pundits. Many claim links with violence in television, cinema, and computer games; towards the end of the montage, however, a series of statements all claim Marilyn Manson's responsibility. Following this is an interview between Moore and Marilyn Manson backstage in Manson's dressing room after a concert. Manson shares his views about the United States' climate with Moore, stating that he believes U.S. society is based on "fear and consumption", citing Colgate commercials that promise "if you have bad breath, people are not going to talk to you" and other commercials containing fear-based messages, and that the media would rather point at him as the one responsible for the killings instead of the President, who ordered more bombings on Kosovo that specific day than any other. When Moore asks Manson what he would say to the students at Columbine, Manson replies, "I wouldn't say a single word to them; I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did."
"Statistics"
Moore follows up his climate of fear thesis by exploring the popular explanations as to why gun violence is so high in the United States. He examines Marilyn Manson as a cause, but states that Germany listens to more Marilyn Manson and has a greater Goth population than does the United States, with less gun violence (Germany: 381 incidents per year). He examines violent movies, but notes that they have the same violent movies in other countries, showing The Matrix with French subtitles (France: 255 incidents per year). He also examines video games, but states that violent video games come from Japan (Japan: 39 incidents per year). He concludes his comparisons with the suggestion that the United States' violent history is the cause, yet negating that with the violent histories of Germany, France, and the United Kingdom (UK: 68 incidents per year), Moore ends his segment with gun-related deaths-per-year statistics of a few major countries.
United States - 11,127 (3.601/100,000) Germany 381 (0.466/100,000) France 255 (0.389/100,000) Canada 165 (0.484/100,000) United Kingdom 68 (0.109/100,000) Australia 65 (0.292/100,000) Japan 39 (0.030/100,000)
"K-Mart refund"
Moore takes two Columbine victims, Mark Taylor and Richard Castaldo, to the American superstore K-Mart headquarters in Troy, Michigan, ostensibly to claim a refund on the bullets still lodged in their bodies. After a number of attempts to evade the issue, a K-Mart spokesperson says that the firm will change its policy and phase out the sale of handgun ammunition; this comes after Moore and the victims go to the nearest K-Mart store, purchase all of their ammunition, and return the next day with several members of the media. "We've won," says Moore, in disbelief. "That was more than we asked for."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/synopsis
All we really need is more people like Zimmerman to patrol the streets
Sure just don't walk to the store for an iced tea - drive even if it's just on the corner. Don't want to run into your neighborhood executioner.
That problem wouldn't exist if guns were outlawed and if you guys didn't base your lives around the fear of others. That story shows that well. Zimmerman is scared that some guy is a thief just because he's black with a hoodie, and that guy gets scared because Zimmerman follows him. Then the guns come out.
Like my uncle Graham used to say - "You don't give guns to a society built on fear!"
if you ban guns then you've just opened up a whole new black market comodity which already exist but will florish with a gun ban
Really, that doesn't seem to be the case in other countries.
You must be making a very substantial living from being that fucking stupid,you must work for the DNC.
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You have nothing but fucking Skittles for brains Moron.
Why do you hate hispanics?
Who said I did? I think Zimmerman is not guilty
So, you hate black people.
Go away idiot
You need to outlaw guns.
Sure that will work. Then the criminals will be the only ones with guns - besides government.
Lets add to the prohibition war.
NOT.
Canada's doing much better than America in terms of gun crimes and deaths, and guns are pretty much outlawed over there. Truth is, most gun deaths in America have to do with accidents, and not because someone protected himself from someone else. But yeah, you guys are essentially cowboys and you love your guns. So, shoot away!
It's a mental problem. A phallic thing. Insecurity. Sometimes a physical problem as well. Compensate with a deadly weapon when they can't perform otherwise.
LOL. You left out fashion statement.
I think that falls under mental problem. lol.
lol, right.
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@pril & tr@shy : Awww ... you guys are sooo sweeet !!! amor vincit omnia ...
You like phallic symbols. Oh good. What's your phallic symbol of choice shadzy. A gun? Cigars? Do you like busting open cans of beer with your bare hand and squirting the foam out all over? I like popsicles and lollipops myself.
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LOL !!! Trashy not man enough for you ?!! Sorry April, you May flirt and purrr through June and 'til July and beyond - but you've absolutely no chance with me !
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No. I'm sure Thras is man enough. Real men don't use guns. But can I help it if your Latin dramatics turns me on.
Nope ! I suppose you can't "help it" !! You'll just have to think of "Thras" & 'rub one out' - so good luck !!!
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Lol! I love oddee!
I know! But who knew they'd have the phallic symbol pics. Did you see the one about the 10 Strangest uses of Sex Dolls? You have to see the dog one!! I didn't read it and I couldn't figure out how that thing would work.
http://www.oddee.com/item_98208.aspx
Yes, it's a phallic thing.
actually I don't believe in outlawing guns. register every gun and every gun owner.
But then how will people be able to protect themselves from the anarchists, balck blocs, antifa and other dangerous people?
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Wouldn't it be better to outlaw using a gun to kill someone or rob someone?
That way, the people who wanted to keep a gun for protection could.
Uh, I think that's the way things are. It IS vs the law to use a gun during a commission of a crime. We need to enforce existing laws, period.
No. More guns means more deaths. If you want to protect your population you outlaw guns. America is the country with the most deaths and injuries related to guns each year and it's because almost anyone can get a gun very easily.
Because people use the guns to break the law. The vast majority of gun owners never have any kind of problem with their gun. To outlaw guns for all for the sins of a few would be wrong. It would be like restricting free speech because some people say things you disagree with.
Your comparison is flawed. It's not the same thing.
Guns have one purpose, to kill or injure gravely. You can protect yourself with other means. There are a whole bunch of things that are illegal even though most people would not use those things to hurt others. For example, is it like limiting your free speech when you are not allowed to carry machetes with you in public places? What about swords? There was a time when people did carry swords.
Did you know that your teenager is 5 times more likely to commit suicide if there's a gun in the house? You know the problem with guns is that they kill with very little effort. There's not a lot of thinking time before pulling the trigger, and it can be pulled accidentally quite easily.
There are many other ways to protect yourself with don't endanger the society around you like guns. If you care about your fellow citizens you should choose those ways.
There is no other way a 80 year old woman can protect herself from an intruder.
Of course there is. My grandmother owns a Great Dane. She could also lock herself in a room and call the cops.
There are always other options. The proof is that old ladies lead happy lives in Canada and they don't have guns. They don't live in fear like the old ladies in US. I wonder why? Maybe because the teenagers breaking in houses can buy guns so easily. Robbers usually don't have guns in Canada. Strange isn't it.
A dog is generally no deterrent to a man set on robbery, and when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
They have guns in Canada.
People don't own guns in Canada, apart from long hunting riffles. But really, almost nobody owns a gun. I never even saw a gun in my whole life apart from the guns the cops have.
Your theory just doesn't work. Countries with fewer guns have fewer homicides. It's that simple. You can come up with all the situations you want to imagine, but the numbers speak for themselves.
Well, come on down. Here in the United States we trust law abiding citizens to own guns... Shotguns, rifles, sidearms, assault rifles. It is not the law abiding, gun owning citizen you have to worry about here.
Ye-haw!
Maybe the two of us can go to the range and pop off a few rounds together.
bensdad just found himself a new cartoon to delight himself with.
It does seem like bensdad wants to "control asses",sounds kind of gay but I'm sure he's quite comfortable with that idea.
The guns issue is just to make this cartoon posting seem legit.