Forum Post: We must stop letting Liars, Cheats and Frauds Represent us in Govt
Posted 10 years ago on Nov. 20, 2013, 11:16 a.m. EST by NotRockefellerTheOtherFella
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We must stop letting corrupt liars, cheats and Con artists represent us in govt. To turn ALL the decision making for our future over to crooks is crazy.
We must start a New political party. One whose elected officials do mostly administrative work. All major issues are decided by online directives from voters in their districts. This would involve very little effort by voters. Before the last day of each month, voters would decide the top 3 or 4 issues their official will be voting on.
ie: Term limits, New wars, National referendums, entitlements decisions, new trade agreements, privacy rights, immigration law, sovereignty issues, balanced budget, fracking, Congressional pay raises, lobbying issues, hegemony policy, etc, etc.
You lost me at term limits.
However, what are you planning to name this new "party"?
Why were you lost at term limits? It would be illogical for a party that takes directives from their constituents to support multiple terms. Again, the people are to decide Major policy, not the officials. Voters will have on going power to decide policy. It will not be limited to only election day.
The name of the party could be many.
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Please explain then, why someone doing a right and proper job should be arbitrarily fired.
I find that not only incredibly improper, but highly illogical and likely damaging to ANY true Democracy.
It allows fresh blood to experience involvement in govt. No one will feel like an elitist and become disconnected from their people. They are serving a citizen's duty. Similar to jury duty, but on a much higher level. They perform one term duty to their constituents and return home as an ordinary citizen again.
I wouldn't stop with term limits on Representatives, but also their staff. Each district has many capable citizens that can perform well as an elected official and as their staff members. It will finally be a govt of the people, by the people and for the people.
I thought maybe you had a pretty lame reason.
I was correct.
In following this "lead" no one should hold a job for very long, anywhere at all.
This reminds me of the anyone on any job attitude that FoMoCo had when I worked there.
It's a fail, unless the job is that simple.
Running a country, is not that simple. Nor is running a city and you want to run the World this way.
Like rotating who washes dishes tonight,
Term limits are an epic fail.
Do I WHAT????
WTF does that have to do with what you have now shown to be trick bag of a posting.
All you want to do is fire people arbitrarily.
When you actually explain that, maybe we can talk.
Until then?
Pfffft.
Right to Work ( um FIRE for no cause ) ? Huh
What he seems to be describing is the movie Idiocracy.
Well really - there should be substantial public education - then we can have intelligent public interface into government where those in office actually represent the people as that is where they get their marching orders from - The People.
Yes, it will take time. Once the people become involved, they will have greater responsibility. It will end this finger pointing between parties. The majority rules. The people decide. Much of the divide and conquer tactic will be muted.
Also the Press must become Free. Corporate ownership of news sources must stop. News must be truthful and without manipulation.
Only voting by a well informed public is powerful.
Wait? What?
Did you say public education?
ALEC and it's adherents are currently well into the process of dismantling it.
So you can toss that. No going to happen if ALEC and CATO and Heritage, etc., continues to get it's way.
Perhaps it would be more fruitful if we demanded ONE years terms for ALEC membership, as well as CATO, Heritage and all the rest?
Nope - ban ALEC & CATO members from political office.
We have got to end the dumbing down of America.
Agreed. Ban CFR, TC and any other organizations that undermine sovereignty and people's rights.
In the interest of being clear, would you strip away the initials and tell us who CFR and TC are?
I can at least partially explain both CATO and ALEC.
How would these fit into the actions of the Koch's? Peterson? Pope?
If you had the power to effect policy, all that your complaining about could be reversed. Eventually, a well educated and informed public would correct damaging policy.
Expecting the things you are complaining about to be changed by career politicians who are sponsored by the 1% will never correct those bad policies.
So who's going bring back public education?
Will you be firing teachers after one year too, or just refusing to pay them what they are worth?
Now as to your desire to arbitrarily fire people for doing a good job.
You never did explain that. You just keep changing the subject.
Are you aware that this is pet project of CATO?
The people will bring back public education once they have the power to do so. Politics should not be a job, it should be a service. What are all these "good jobs" you speak about people doing in politics anyway. For every 1 good job, there are 100 doing bad jobs.
The only one changing the subject is you. Cato? This post is more about empowering disenfranchised citizens than Cato or education.
So, just fire everybody then?
Can we start with Wallstreet?
You're desire to fire people has it's roots in places like CATO, so no, it wasn't off subject at all.
You do know who founded CATO, don't you?
Our govt today is idiocracy. Do you offer solutions? Or just use tag team tactics to undermine new ideas?
I'm sorry.
This is not a new idea.
It's a rehash. One that I believe might have first been proposed in the modern era by CATO.
Are you a libe(R)tarian of some sort?
I don't know if it is a "new" idea. It is my idea. I have never heard it anywhere else before. I am not a libertarian, or RepubliCon, or DemoCrap. I am completely independent of political loyalties.
I do know that it will acheive more fairness than today's status quo.
Then what do you know, that makes you qualified to fire people that are doing a good job, and why would you want to fire them anyway?
How can you pretend you've never heard of "term limits" before?
Strange, that.
Here in Michigan "term limits" were put in place by ALEC's favorite son John Engler.........AFTER he served 3 terms.
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They don't get fired. They serve their term and return to being an ordinary citizen. What is wrong with being an ordinary citizen? Politics should not be a job, it should be a service to your fellow citizens.
Why do you avoid answering my questions? I want to empower the people to decide policy. I want to fire career politicians. The only "trick bag" we have today, is allowing corrupt career politicians to decide the fate of our nation. The destiny of the people.
Because you completely avoided answering mine.
Semantics, will not win the day for you.
You want to fire everyone after ONE term.
You just admitted it.
"I want to fire career politicians"
Agree on term limits. Career politicians have become an elite group in this country. Not much different than the Politburo in USSR. They write laws that they are not subject to and they live high on the hog on the taxpayers' dime(s).
At one time going to DC to represent your fellow neighbors was seen as a service or a duty. It is now seen as a ticket to the high life. Why else would these people raise 10's of millions of dollars for a 6 figure job?
is it not evidenced by the legislation they craft? Show me the last law that was truly written and implemented with the good of America at heart. Certainly not 0bamacare, don't even go there. It is over 1000 pages because of all the carve outs and exceptions. No doubt that is why the Gang of 8 immigration bill is also voluminous. In my home state, the income tax booklet has quadrupled in my lifetime. WHy? They are continuously granting exemptions and credits to special interests. What happened to the country's interests?
I agree with your points. "Why else would these people raise 10's of millions of dollars for a 6 figure job?" That question solves alot of the big puzzle. We have campaigns sponsored by wealthy contributiors and promoted by corporate owned media. Should we wonder why things only go well for the 1%? Our representatives are Globalist puppets, Frauds, Con artists, Sociopaths, Drug addicts, Child molesters, Adulterers, etc, etc, etc. And we let them write our laws? We let them decide our fate!
This is the 21st Century, not the 1700's. It is no longer necessary to turn ALL decision making in govt over to these corrupt puppets. It is the computer age. The people's choices can be know in a nanosecond. Let's change the formula that subjugates the people's will. Change the paradigm, so that the people's will is counted.