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Forum Post: Want Jobs? Want Cheap Foreign Goods?

Posted 1 year ago on July 22, 2013, 2:43 p.m. EST by TikiJ (-38)
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Well, you cant have both.

You can either have 5 tv's to watch while your unemployed, or you can have one that you come to after putting in an honest day.

Take your pick.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21381) 1 year ago

How about a global minimum wage to even things out? Be hard to exploit Americans if you can't exploit others, I think.

[-] 1 points by PortugueseExplorer (10) 1 year ago

I don't expect to ever be granted a choice. But if we examine those countries that have not admitted the inexpensive import, there is greater economic stability albeit greater frugality.

[-] 0 points by Illuminated (5) 1 year ago

This is an economic fallacy. The import gap is only about 2.5-3%, and a whole lot of that is from oil. You can't take away oil jobs that aren't here anyway.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

In what world are you living in where people own five tvs? Most people don't. Check your demographics before pontificating.

[-] 1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

If they could by sending more jobs out of the country, they would vote for it with their dollars in a heartbeat.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Dude. In what world are you living in that people own five tvs?

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

You would be surprised. A house with 3 or 4 bedrooms, finished basement, living room, kitchen, etc...can easily have 5 tv's. My parents live in a 2-bedroom ranch and they have 4 of them.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Who is your target audience? How many people live like that?

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Most of suburban America. Anyone living in a house with multiple bedrooms. Literally millions of Americans. It is really not that unusual for a house to have multiple tvs, computers, dvd players, dvr's, etc. Americans love their electronic devices.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Upper middle class then.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Not even.

According to Nielsen, 55% of American homes have 3 or more TVs in 2010. And that is a number that has been steadily going up since 1975 so it is reasonable to assume it is even higher now with the plethora of cheap flat screen tvs that have flooded the market the last few years.

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/newswire/2010/u-s-homes-add-even-more-tv-sets-in-2010.html

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I don't know if you have been paying attention but here:

The suburbs are home to the fastest growing group of people living in poverty. Between 2000 and 2011 the number of people living below the federal poverty line ($22,314 for a family of four) in the suburbs grew by 64 percent, more than twice the rate in cities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57595032/poverty-in-the-suburbs-hidden-and-growing/

Please read the above.

Even Nielsen acknowledges a drop in tv ownership in 2011 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/media/03television.html?_r=0

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

They dont. But thats teh goal. Massive amounts of material garbage in sacrifice of jobs for their community.

They dont realize its happening but its the decision our society has made as a whole.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Stop.

Whose goal?

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Consumers. We arent realizing what this rampant consumerism is doing. We just dont get it.

We will eventually, historians will write about it once people dont have anything left to keep them busy except reflect and think again.

[-] 1 points by Illuminated (5) 1 year ago

You've obviously never learned the Paradox of Thrift. Consumer driven economies are the best source of prosperity we've ever known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_thrift

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Yes, that national debt and the 0% savings rates are working out great. Take a look around.

More shit doesnt mean a better life. It means more shit.

Theres a difference between a consumer economy and a brain dead, get some $2k rims economy.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

" . . . a brain dead, get some $2k rims economy."

You got that right. A friend of mine owns a rim shop called Zeman Tire and Rim. A few years ago a car pulled in and the guy bought some high-dollar chrome rims. Here's the kicker: when he was ready to leave, he asked a couple of the workers to help push his car out of the garage. Why? Because reverse had gone out on his transmission.

Yep, buy some bling instead of get your transmission fixed. Welcome to America.

[-] 1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Hahah that is too funny because I know someone with a land rover with no reverse, yest have $2k rims and a $1k stereo in it!! Reverse hasnt worked in 3 months,,, Funny stuff.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That's a hell of a coincidence! The brainwashing of the masses into shallow consumers is complete. Man, we've become our own worst enemies.

[-] -1 points by Illuminated (5) 1 year ago

The national debt has been going down ever since Bernanke started buying it all, and Obama using the proceeds to put Americans back to work.

The low savings rate is a concern. If it were higher then we could be more self sufficient, and quit strapping labor with a crushing 15.3% tax to give to rich retirees who hold the majority of the nation's assets.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

So, you don't know. You just kind of made that up.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

"Want Jobs? Want Cheap Foreign Goods?"

I choose jobs.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

So, you have created a big enemy thingy that you can't identify and, now, you stand and scream at it.

Interestingly, your inner child is pro union. You should seek to become more in tune with your inner child.

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[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 1 year ago

I wish it were that simple. There are many more people with jobs then without. They have made the choice for cheap goods. It may have cost some of their neighbors a job, but they have their 5 televisions. There isn't any feeling of solidarity and while it's possible that attitude may catch up to those still working eventually, it isn't going to make them care about their fellow man today.

[-] -3 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

5 tv's outweighs everything.

Welcome to America.

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[-] 0 points by DodiKolifarThe3rd (-1) 1 year ago

You don't like females? Are you a misogynist?

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[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Good morning to you too. A bit terrifying that support for the system is so bad that people like you end up phone banking for the president.