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Forum Post: Unions to Banks: Pay Up

Posted 11 months ago on May 15, 2013, 8:32 a.m. EST by GirlFriday (21784)
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Child-welfare case managers are working at 67 percent staffing, two doing the work of three. And public service workers see the impact of the financial crisis everywhere they look. Oregon, like most states, has yet to really recover from the recession. Because tax revenues are still too low to cover the cost of public services, it faces a $3.5 billion budget gap for 2013-2015. In instances like these, we know the options: The state can cut services or increase taxes to bridge the gap (unlike the federal government, states cannot run a deficit). Because Republicans have successfully killed a plan to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy in April, now public employees are looking at nearly half a billion dollars being cut from their pensions.

But there’s another option: Go after the big banks to get back the money the state lost through financial chicanery.

This sounds like a plan. Wonder why they didn't ...........oh, that's right, the Rethuglicans. http://prospect.org/article/sticking-it-banks

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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17677) 11 months ago

"Billionaires Unchained'', by Andy Kroll : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34966.htm

Compare and contrast to ...

''At an Impasse : Collective Bargaining Under the Judicial Amendments'', by Ellen Dannin and Ann C Hodges : http://truth-out.org/news/item/16394-at-an-impasse-collective-bargaining-under-the-judicial-amendments

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Yes, it does.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

http://www.alternet.org/labor/84-percent-nyc-fast-food-workers-report-wage-theft

I can't say much more, other than the extent of it is overwhelming.

Can we please start throwing at least some of these corporate citizens into some kind of prison?

All that happens now is WallStreet congratulates them with a stock split.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Wage theft is actually pretty common in Chicago.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Wage theft is actually pretty common in Chicago.

Wide spread disease all across the USA and around the world - though perhaps more noticeable in some areas.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

Did you notice that in NY, it's the tax payer that has to pay for the investigation, not the corporations involved?

They just put on the pressure and collect their demanded profits.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Assures fewer actions brought - too expensive for the public and all. It's just not in the budget.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

LOL

Not wanting to pay to defend Skilling's endless appeals, was one of the reasons given for his early release.

But in this case, it's just the parent corporation distancing itself from responsibility for the actions of it's many minions.

Responsibility, is not on the corporate menu, unless it has verifiable PR value.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Why the fuck were his illicit gains ever left to him - let alone him allowed to control them?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

I don't know.

Perhaps it's from the guy that got away with it.

Preliminary research says he may be living in the Houston area.

Texas libe(R)topia.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Tex-ass would not surprise as a safe haven for such. Remind anyone of anyone's safe haven in Afghanistan?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

Not off hand, but can we send Cheney and Rumsfeld?

They deserve the place.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Sure locate em on top of a drilling or fracking site. Enjoy the sparkling water straight out of your wells boys. Ideal location in the heart of the drought land.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Yeah, one would think that we would see some action on this.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

We are - we are advertising the actions. We gotta continue to educate. Gather numbers as we promote awareness.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Um...............D?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

" the more bankers make, the less workers make.”

Words to remember........................:)

Here's one of those "bankers" showing his "personal responsibility"

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hedge-fund-partner-earns-335-million-year-while-losing-almost-10-fund-money

30 million for doing a bad job.

and they want to lay off teachers.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

The fact that a manager can lose money and get paid so handsomely illustrates the ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ structure of hedge-fund fees,” Simon Lack, founder of SL Advisors and author of ‘The Hedge Fund Mirage: The Illusion of Big Money’, said in a telephone interview from Westfield, New Jersey, today. “It doesn’t cost 2 percent of $3 billion to run an asset-management firm.”


This is why they are regarded as nothing more than con artists.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

Meanwhile, the stress of all this banker shit is literally killing people.

"May 14, 2013 |

An elderly man "succumbed to the pressure" of losing his home to Wells Fargo and died at a court hearing fighting the bank's wrongful foreclosure, his estate claims in court. "

http://www.alternet.org/economy/elderly-man-allegedly-dies-court-fighting-wells-fargo-wrongful-foreclosure

But it's OK, the press is filled with the phoney scandal of the day.

Plenty of knees around here, jerking over it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

And he's just one who died in public.

How many unsung others have died out of view?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

How long are they going to be allowed to get away with this?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

I don't know.

Now they are busy taking away the 8 hour day and the 40 hour workweek.

And there are folks here who vigorously support that shit.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Yes, they do. I have to wonder why that is.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

I don't wonder.

They have proven themselves to be libe(R)tarians.

Even though many are ashamed to admit it.

And I already know where that goes.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

The answer is that they have been paid to post.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

They never seem to notice things like this either.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14992/louder_than_words/

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14988/the_right_to_call_in_sick/

Of course if the GOP gets it's way, that sick day will come off your "comp time".

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

On Austerity - some common sense -

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI … Common Sense Reality. Economic Truth. Plain & Simple. Watch Consider Share Circulate Please View media

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

It might cut into their profit.

[-] 0 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 months ago

You are a fucking moron -This is nothing new it has been going on across the country since 2007 - what's new about this - asshole.

Just name calling like you did to me when I posted inof about detroit. Sucks doesn't it.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

You're a fucking cockroach. You stupid slimy little paid to post piece of shit. Now go tell your team leader you have failed.

[-] -2 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 11 months ago

Just love the way you express yourself - especially when you let your emotions get in the way of rational thinking. Just love it that comments I make can get you so worked up.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

There isn't anything to get worked up about. You are a paid to post right wing shill multiple ID cockroach. That is all you will ever be. You haven't been able to provide any rational discussions because you aren't capable of it.

[-] 0 points by Nader (74) 11 months ago

Don't a lot of high ranking Democrats, including Obama, get massive amounts of campaign cash from the big Wall St banks? Even a dog knows not to bite the hand that feeds them.

The big banks are in bed with those on both sides of the aisle.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Because Republicans have successfully killed a plan to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy in April, now public employees are looking at nearly half a billion dollars being cut from their pensions


Is the above a problem for you?

[-] 0 points by Nader (74) 11 months ago

Yes, the wealthy need to pay much more. The corporate tax rate is fairly meaningless because corporate profits normally make it into the hands of the extremely wealthy anyways so by raising their taxes you are still collecting on those profits.

But as far as going after the banks, it is simply not going to happen because they fund both parties. The Democrats had their chance from 2008-2010 when Obama had a Democratic Congress and to this day the Obama administration and Holder have done nothing to bring any of the bank executives involved in this financial mess to justice. And they won't because they get too much money from them.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

So, therefore, do nothing? How convenient.
Explain to me why it is that you could not back the people in this instance.

Again: Because Republicans have successfully killed a plan to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy in April, now public employees are looking at nearly half a billion dollars being cut from their pensions

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is the above a problem for you?

[-] -2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

You got your tax increase already and now you want more?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Because Republicans have successfully killed a plan to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy in April, now public employees are looking at nearly half a billion dollars being cut from their pensions

Is the above a problem for you?

Now, go back, read the article and get back to me. Or fuck off with your little white trash right wing shit.

[+] -5 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

You and your man in Washington got your tax increase. Now it's time to cut expenses back to meet the long run average of revenues- 18%. If you want to keep certain expenses over others, that's fine. That's a budget decision and people need to be responsible for those decisions.

You don't need to use vulgarity as it just demeans you b

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Shut the fuck up and sit down. You dumb fucking multiple-ID rightwing piece of shit cockroach.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Hey GF - On Point as usual. G-Day.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Hey-DKA, how goes it?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Actually pretty slow - good sign for May activities - the shills - I think are trying to mostly play their silent waiting game - Hoping good posts will just drop off.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

They just suck ass.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Yeah - ugh - can smell it on their breath. I try to stay upwind of em.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

It's like listening to a wind up little Chucky thingie.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Now that is a very creepy image - apt.

Kind of like the embodiment of manufactured evil. Corp(se)oRATe

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[-] -3 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

Oooh, take you a long time to think up that response. Can't debate on facts so you have to attack personally and with vulgarity. What's wrong, frustrated that your economics aren't working and your leader is being unveiled as a rookie. You voted for the wardleader and you got the results. How many more violations are at there?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Come on out little cockroach.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

You failed to go back and read the article. Go back and read the article you right wing multiple ID paid to post piece of shit cockroach. This is not a game of you pull shit out of your ass. It's pretty simple fucktwit.

[+] -4 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

Anger problems?

Maybe your boy in DC could do something to get the economy growing. He had gotten his spending and his tax increase and its still not working.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Head up your ass problems little paid to post right wing cockroach?

I understand. You're fucking illiterate and you cannot manage to read the article. Thus, we can't expect you to fucking comprehend the shit either.

[+] -4 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

You are too easy to rile up. Seriously, have you thought about another line of work? Maybe you should be a banker.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

[-] -1 points by Dmooradian (12) 7 minutes ago

From you, I wouldn't expect anything less. All talk and no walk just like your man in DC. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink ________- Go back to your team leader and tell it that you have failed. Again.

[-] -3 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

And I suppose you believe in little green men as well???

No wonder you don't know economics, you are delusional. Maybe you should go back to school, did you graduate from high school? Oh I get it, didn't pay attention.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

[-] 0 points by Dmooradian (12) 1 minute ago

Oh sure, nice comeback. I am illiterate... and you are the one who can't craft a sentence without employing a vulgarity. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


You're a multiple ID piece of shit right wing shill paid to post cockroach. At no point in time should you ever expect to be treated anything more than that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Nice - dose of reality.

[-] -2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

From you, I wouldn't expect anything less. All talk and no walk just like your man in DC.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

But, I'm not riled up little paid to post right wing piece of shit cockroach.

I'm actually doing several different things. You're fucking illiterate. You're not giving me too much to work with here.

[+] -4 points by Dmooradian (-74) 11 months ago

Oh sure, nice comeback. I am illiterate... and you are the one who can't craft a sentence without employing a vulgarity.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

The tax levels are fine, if we could stop bombing the shit out of the entire planet.

I know, I know, I focus too much on war. I focus too much on the TRILLION dollars we spend on it while the nation here suffers. Kind of hard to talk about money problems with someone while ignoring the rampant drug addiction they have. Which is what this scenario is.

And last I checked, lots of campaigners were pretty horrified when they extended the Bush cuts after the big 08 swing (like, um, myself), and even more so when they didnt extend the payroll tax cut this past year...all while military budgets GO UP. Yes, INCREASING.

Food not Bombs is a great organization.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Wrong answer. This has nothing to do with war. Does it? For the moment it actually concerns the American people.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

War is sucking the financial resources that you are after.

Its a giant sucking black hole that is devouring the entire nation's finances.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

WallStreet gets yet another free pass from you.

Ridiculously overpaid hedge funder?

No problem.

Ridiculously overpaid securities manager?

No problem.

Ridiculously overpaid commodities trader?

No problem.

Ridiculously overpaid CEOs all over America?

No problem.

BTW all of these guys and more are ridiculously under taxed and many are profiting off the "war".

Under contracts that I'm sure have stiff penalties to the tax payer, for early withdrawal.

TAX the shit out of them NOW!

Don't forget, we get to pay for West, Texas criminal negligence too.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/14994/govt_will_pick_up_tab_for_west_texas_damage_amazon_bikeshare_in_hot_seat/

Fucking libe(R)tarians.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Whose idea do you think all these wars are?

It aint me and you, its Wall St.

No one is giving them a pass, its just you being ornery again.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

Nope.

It's you.......again.

Just like you give a pass to ALEC, the Koch's, and all the (R)epelican't shit in Florida.

"The tax levels are fine,"

No way in hell.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

An extremely detailed post on ALEC, with who is on the board, and where does the money go in elections, and NOTHING from you. None. Thats weird.

Do you only prefer posts that rant? No real digging, no details, just silly pet names and lots of screaming, along with lots of back patting.

What the hell has happened to you dude?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Close all the loopholes and there would more cash than you know what to do with.

Raise the rates, but leave the loopholes, and the effect will be minimal.

Im still waiting for your take on ALEC. For all that talk, you sure dont back it up haha... http://occupywallst.org/forum/alec-board-members/

Looks like we are in agreement on them, but you just love to bitch and argue. Have fun making stuff up, I'll tell Jill you said hi on the 25th.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

You're so full of shit on that.

It doesn't prove a thing, just like you.

Let's go over that again in more detail.

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/07/11675/new-report-shows-alecs-unprecedented-influence-over-florida

Perhaps you will pull your head out of the sand now?

No?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/02/417488/florida-gop-alec-forget/

How about now?

Still no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/29/two-major-florida-newspapers-ignore-alec-connec/193351

Can you hear me now?

No?

http://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/2013/03/15/alec-posts-library-of-pre-written-legislation/

Head still so deep there's sand fleas crawling on your ass?

Here's an even more detailed one.

http://media.progressflorida.org/files/alecinflorida.pdf

"Tax levels are fine"................LOL

Will you be telling Jill all about that?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Im pretty sure just about everyone knows that ALEC is a menace. Granted we arent all posting on it 24/7.

Let me know when you would like to post something on my post, in solidarity against bought out politicians and corruption.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

You're impossible.

I'll give you that.

Still minimizing ALEC at every opportunity.

If only to maintain doubt.

"Tax levels are fine"

Yeah "right", that's real revolutionary.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Wrong answer. This has nothing to do with war. Does it? For the moment, it focuses on the American people. Is this a problem for you?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

You want more money at the local level for public unions? Close all the loopholes and end the wars. This nation will have more cash than it knows what to do with.

They are paying for with bonds, and then instituting zero interest to drive all the retirements back into the stock market.

If you are saying theres not enough money, take a look at the budget and tell me what might be the 800lb elephant in the room.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Take a big breath. Go back and read the article. Then you can get back to me.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

I always assume ending the trillion dollar war budget goes hand in hand with going after the banks- its them that fund that disaster on the backs of all of us.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Is that right?

Looks a hell of a lot like distraction from here.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Are you distracted?

Gov, Libor, etc ... Who is going to take the money back for them? Unless they are getting to the point where they are going to march in there and just grab it- which probably isnt far off- then they have to realize they need legislation at the federal level to do it.

The feds are too concerned with taking over the planet. They dont give a shit.

End the wars, put one trillion back into the system, which will then allow for a refocus.

Trying to focus on domestic in the middle of war is like trying to run a business during a divorce. Its near impossible to do it well.

I totally applaud them for doing what they are doing, and they are right on all accounts. I just think that the fact we are blowing kids and women and innocents to shreds on a daily basis, on the backs of the tax payers, it deserves a mention whenever the topic of greed comes up.

Whats more greedy than taking someones life for money?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Not at all. In fact, this is quickly becoming amusing watching you spin.

You got the memo over a year ago that foreign policy does not change but domestic does. The failure to pay attention to domestic issues is yours.

Trying to focus on domestic in the middle of war is like trying to run a business during a divorce. Its near impossible to do it well.

It makes the above statement ludicrous and nonsensical.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Well what do you see here in this country since this perpetual war started?

I dont see anyone in Congress focusing on anything.

And I see a public that is numb to body counts.

We are bombing people all over. Occupy is suppose to be against that. Do you see a whole lot of posts? I dont. So maybe it could use some balance.

"You got the memo over a year ago that foreign policy does not change but domestic does. The failure to pay attention to domestic issues is yours."

I didnt say that to you when you were doing your posts on Egypt. I appreciated them.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by OTP (-214) from Tampa, FL 0 minutes ago

Greed manifests itself in government/banks when they go to war.

Greed manifests itself in the population when war is no longer important.

Banking greed/war ... We shouldnt forget about the killings overseas. Many innocent lives are dependent on it. It deserves some attention. If Im the only one that brings it up than whatever. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


First of all. You aren't the only one that brings it up. You use it as a weapon specifically to distract from whatever conversation is taking place and then profess that it belongs where ever you decide to post it. You don't actually follow the actions of what is taking place. As an aside, I didn't once bring Egypt over to a farm bill thread.

Secondly, and this is how it shows, it is the unions that are making the demand and I think that really ticks you off. Like I said, nice attempt to distract.

Just like you don't see anyone doing anything about education, you don't see anyone else paying attention to war.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

[-] 2 points by OTP (-214) from Tampa, FL 1 minute ago

"But, not you. You see dead people. You see what you want to see."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/12/pakistan-us-drone-strikes ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


But there’s another option: Go after the big banks to get back the money the state lost through financial chicanery.

Still can't handle domestic issues. It pisses you off when people pay attention to something that doesn't mix with your agenda, yeah?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Greed manifests itself in government/banks when they go to war.

Greed manifests itself in the population when war is no longer important.

Banking greed/war ... We shouldnt forget about the killings overseas. Many innocent lives are dependent on it. It deserves some attention. If Im the only one that brings it up than whatever.

Bradley Manning would agree.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21784) 11 months ago

Well what do you see here in this country since this perpetual war started?

The exact same domestic issues that we always face. It isn't a one or the other kind of deal.

I dont see anyone in Congress focusing on anything.

Then you will need to pay more attention. You might want to look at committees.

And I see a public that is numb to body counts.

But, not you. You see dead people.

You see what you want to see.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

"But, not you. You see dead people. You see what you want to see."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/12/pakistan-us-drone-strikes

[-] -1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

http://www.alternet.org/economy/ayn-rand-usa-20-years-corporate-profits-are-4x-and-their-taxes-have-fallen-50-meanwhile

You got nothing but bullshit.

Tax 'em so hard they can't afford war.

Let alone buy our government.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Go for it. Raise it on em to 90%, with the amount of loopholes- 76k pages of em- its not going to cut it. Well, the small businesses will get hammered, but the big guys will skate clean soon.

Thats just my take. Im not sure how that means Im a Republican or a Libertarian, whatever you have cooked up in your little head, but if thats what it means to you then theres really nothing I can do about it.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

So then YOU'RE the 800lb elephant in the room?

I might have known.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Wow.

Have a nice day Shooz. You've managed to take a decent debate - loopholes vs rates- into the trenches again.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26667) 11 months ago

Just WOW!

It's been done over and over.

I guess you weren't paying attention....again.

You just want to rehash the past, while you ignore what's happening in your own backyard.