Forum Post: To vote or not to vote. And what about Romney's Mormonism. Does it matter?

How to vote? To vote or not to vote? Obama is a liar for sure and a war maker. Is there any difference between Democrats and Republicans? I don't know. My guideline would be whether or not a vote helps the movement that is led now by Occupy. Would an Obama win put the movement to sleep or energize it further? That to me is the only question.

Romney is a leading member of the cult called "Church of the Latter Day Saints" (Mormons). This cult enshrines dishonesty. Its leader is regarded by the membership as the very voice of God. For decades Salt Lake City, which they dominate, was in every outward appearance a Southern Jim Crow city with Black people barred from lunch counters, separate drinking fountains, etc. they renounced their worse aspects of racism only in 1979 but their doctrine still is white supremacist. They network, favor each other in employment and business and in that way (violating civil rights laws) they strengthen their economic and social positions. They are virulently anti Gay. Their origins, in the 19th Century, are simply bizarre.

Mormons discriminate against non Mormons when they have the upper hand:

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,398816,399004#msg-399004

The Mormon first prophet, Joseph Smith, was a con man:

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm

Mormons practiced southern style jim crow:

http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Racist-history-of-the-Mormon-Church-and-Mitt-Romney

Mormons lie, especially about their polygamy.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,104911,104911

The Mormon president is a living prophet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/beliefs/prophets.shtml

Mormon prophet lies,as is natural.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lsBFlcjE-8

Questions for the mormon prophet Gordon Hinckley:

http://www.mrm.org/hinckley-on-larry-king Follow Up Questions We Wish Larry King Had Asked Gordon Hinckley By Bill McKeever If there is one thing you can say for LDS President Gordon Hinckley, he has a way of charming normally tenacious media personalities. On September 8, 1998, he was able to do it again, this time with talk show host Larry King.

Perhaps King felt it would be best to go soft with the Mormon prophet. After all, he recently made a member of the LDS Church his sixth wife (not all at the same time). Perhaps he understood all too well that offending your wife's prophet does not make for a very good marital relationship.

After experiencing Mike Wallace's puff piece with Gordon Hinckley back in April of 1996, I guess I wasn't expecting much more from Larry King. After all, these men are not experts in Mormonism. Their lack of experience dealing with the semantical game many Mormons play would make it difficult for them to ask tough rebuttal questions.

Asking the Mormon prophet questions about his retirement, the amount of countries Mormonism is in, the wealth of the LDS Church, genealogy, Mark McGwyre's 62nd homerun (hit the same day), and the problems of President Clinton hardly make for a hard-hitting interview. At times King appeared very ignorant of basic LDS positions. For instance, King was apparently unaware Mormons claim to be Christians when he asked, "You don't call yourselves Christian, right."

Hinckley did make some interesting statements that are worthy of comment. When King asked if people are "ever thrown out of your church," Hinckley responded affirmatively. When asked for what reasons, he said, "Doing what they shouldn't do, preaching false doctrine, speaking out publicly. They can carry all the opinion they wish within their heads, so to speak, but if they begin to try to persuade others, then they may be called in to a disciplinary council."

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"What would happen should someone openly question your teachings?" "Are your teachings infallible? If not, why can't you be challenged? If so, are your teachings consistent with the teachings of your predecessors?" When King mentioned that blacks at one time could not "attain any hierarchy" in the LDS Church, Hinckley brushed it aside.

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"Why were blacks not allowed to hold priesthood positions in the first place?" "How many black LDS General Authorities does your church have today?" "Didn't Brigham Young and other Mormon leaders teach that blacks could never hold the priesthood until after the resurrection? Since your church did not wait to make the change, did he (and they) lead the church astray by teaching this? Hinckley also had to mention that local leaders in the LDS Church are not paid.

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"Are you paid?" "Doesn't the Doctrine and Covenants say bishops should receive just remuneration for their services? Why aren't they?" When asked about the rise of polygamy in Utah, Hinckley quickly separated his church from those making headlines in his state. When asked by King if he condemned the practice, Hinckley said, "I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal. And this church takes the position that we will abide by the law. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates, in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law." Later in the interview, King said the issue of polygamy did affect him because "it's associated with the past of the Mormons." Hinckley rebuffed the question and said, "I made a statement; I made some now. We've made other statements. It's simply not a church issue."

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"But didn't at least two leaders (Joseph F. Smith & Heber J. Grant) defy the law and continue practicing polygamy long after your church promised to stop?"

"If polygamy became legal tomorrow, would you cease to condemn it? Would it again be a requirement for true salvation as taught by Brigham Young in 1866?"

"Doesn't your church teach that polygamy will be re-instituted in the next life?" "Is it true that Mormon leaders have taught that your God, as well as Jesus were practicing polygamists?" King asked if "the essence of the church was that Christ was in [the] Americas." Hinckley said, "Yes, at one time."

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"What evidence do you have that the people Christ allegedly visited really existed?" "How many non-LDS archaeologists and anthropologists believe the Book of Mormon has historical value?" King acknowledged that there are splinter groups of Latter-day Saints. Hinckley said, "Oh, there are splinter groups. You expect it." Good follow-up questions could have been: "What makes your group any more correct than theirs?"

"Some of those groups say it is your church that has left the true faith and denied the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Would Joseph Smith and Brigham Young be welcome in your church if they were alive today and believed what they did back then?" King noted that "Mormons are certainly famous for having children."

Good follow-up questions could have been:

"Is it not true that Mormons have large families so they can bring as many of God's 'spirit-children' into the world in order to teach them how to become Gods themselves?" "Is it not true that past President Joseph F. Smith taught that practicing birth control of any kind would result in damnation?" "Doesn't the fact that many LDS couples have very few children demonstrate that they may not be following Smith's advice and will be damned according to LDS teaching?"

http://www.mrm.org/hinckley-on-larry-king