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Forum Post: to create more wealth, share the wealth

Posted 1 month ago on Sept. 21, 2017, 10:30 a.m. EST by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX
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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

to create more wealth, share the wealth

In addressing that concept - here is just one application to consider:

https://twitter.com/DKAtoday/status/912840317338046466

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 month ago

the masters threaten the survival of the human race

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 month ago

there are 2 kinds of conservatives: liars and the fools who believe them. Many are both!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Then there are those who would actually conserve (forests, wet lands, wilderness areas, clean water, clean air, clean land, etc) and fight to do so - funny thing "is" = most of THOSE are liberals!

Huh

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 month ago

irony doesn't begin to describe the cognitive dissonance of right wing conservatism

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

Somehow in the land of politics conservatism has been transformed into greedy insane assholes out to destroy the world (even the part that they live on) to make a buck anyway they can and then hoard it!

This insanity has spread to the traditionally left side of the field as well - those would be more commonly be referred to as centrist dems or moderate also as well as the conservative dem ( democratic party has shifted so far to the right)

Hell even those dems that call themselves progressive (for the votes) are more often than not = conservative (example: sHillary Rotten Clinton for 1)

Still - all in all - those who actually identify themselves as being on the Right - are still the most insane!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 month ago

chomsky feels that he is a conservative - not only as you say about the environment but also the values of the enlightenment. the terms are all fucked up. for sure i do not want to be called a liberal - from kennedy who gave us vietnam, cuban missles and a war on south america to lbj to clinton and obama - these so called liberals have screwed the country and the world

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

Actually it was Dwight D. Eisenhower who got us going in Vietnam - not JFK. http://thevietnamwar.info/us-presidents-during-the-vietnam-war/

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

i imagine you know what i mean but we can even blame truman for that whole mess. he was paying the french from what i understand. jfk for sure escalated our involvement. -

"Democratic Party partisans hate it when you blame the war on John F. Kennedy. They like to say that if Kennedy had lived he would have with withdrawn U.S. troops from Vietnam. Some conspiracy theorists believe that Kennedy was getting ready to pull the plug; that was why he was assassinated. It is not that there is absolutely nothing to support this view, but the support is thin. The basic facts speak for themselves: when Kennedy entered office the U.S. had 500 military advisors in South Vietnam. When he died he left 16,000 U.S. soldiers there. That sounds like a solid escalation of the conflict to me."

and this guy (whoever he is?) says nothing about jfk and the bombing of vietnam

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 weeks ago

No unkind words for Nixon's expansion of our involvement?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

sorry i thought we were talking about liberals who are not really - but then chomsky claims nixon was or last liberal president so sure. but expansion of the war that was lbj no??

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 weeks ago

"liberal" is about economy [Adam Smith's "liberal economy"] and participation in the power, which is about economy, by the under class. War is not a liberal issue, except indirectly because war is always about the economy.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

not sure it changes much of anything in the conversation but did you make that up yourself or is that the "common knowledge" definition? i found this - "liberalism definition. In the twentieth century, a viewpoint or ideology associated with free political institutions and religious toleration, as well as support for a strong role of government in regulating capitalism and constructing the welfare state."

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 weeks ago

was the enlightenment about war or the liberation of the underclass with the support of enlightened ruling class members. today do we call them liberals. in the end, it's all about the economy. the aristocrats lightened up but we never got rid of the vestiges of feudalism, which are represented by conservative and "liberal" banksters and billionaires yet today.

And yes, that's my own definition. I don't rely on the establishments academics or their tools of propaganda, like twisted language.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

into the weeds again. ok good to get terms defined. not sure i know exactly what you are trying to explain to me here. so my definition of conservatives as it is used today is a right winger - hard money benefiting the rich, a rolling back of the new deal - ending or privatizing social security and unemployment etc, and expanding the military and the empire! that is the way i use the term - here is wiki on the enlightenment

The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy—and came to advance ideals like liberty, progress, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state.[4][5] In France, the central doctrines of les Lumières were individual liberty and religious tolerance in opposition to an absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church. The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy—an attitude captured by the phrase Sapere aude, "Dare to know".[6]

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 weeks ago

we can't get here from:

banksters, CEOs and billionaires are a parasitic disease

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/09/insanely-concentrated-wealth-strangling-prosperity.html

$!!!!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

no question and all of or politicians - well almost all have facilitated it. dems and gop - clinton and obama. all working for the vampire squid. we agree 100% - my only difference is that it is not fiat currency - inflation or the money masters that caused this. the "masters of mankind" paid the pols to do their bidding for sure but the whole elite class in complicit - not just the banksters. although i will admit they are the leaders of the shit storm now

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

I Like (sarcasm) the way you left out those insane assholes who actually identify themselves as the RIGHT - as there are more war mongers there - than you will ever find in those who (in truth) identify with the left. A liberal "in truth" - one will find supports peace for ALL.

Considering ALL - one really can not equate JFK or any of your other examples as actually being liberal.

BTW - sHillary Rotten Clinton started out identified with the RIGHT - she only changed her label (not her conservatism) to reap votes.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

not sure what you are trying to say here. yes the real hardcore right - curtis lemay and kissenger and dick cheney are insane crazies war mongering sickos. they make kennedy and obama and clinton look sane. all i was trying to say is that those who are called liberal also love war and have caused huge devastation around the world and at home.

"Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi broke with fellow Democrats who had criticized President Trump's military action against Syria to endorse the move late Thursday."

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

not sure what you are trying to say here.

It's pretty simple.

People (politicians for example) are not necessarily who they SAY they are (are not necessarily how they identify themselves publicly).

sHillary is not a progressive nor a liberal nor is she a democrat - she is and always has been a conservative republican who supports the wealthy few (herself included) individuals as well as corporations.

It is not about what a person says!

It is about what a person does!

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 weeks ago

It's not the proclamation nor the intent. Evil is the harm that's done.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

It's not the proclamation nor the intent. Evil is the harm that's done.

If only more people looked at the results of the harm passed legislation has done and continues to do and looked at the people who authored it and then voted for it!

Maybe there would be fewer of these assholes in office and a shitload less bad legislation.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 4 weeks ago

Some legislations are necessary and good. As we innovate into new realms of endeavors, new rules are often needed. Of course, there are tons of ancient rules which are de facto impotent and obsolete(e.g., miscegenation, sodomy, fornication) and should therefore be purged(but not forgotten with their original motivations).

The fact that sex is so prevalent in all organisms means that the "purification of the bloodline" is maladaptive(and for losers) such as by purging all males or all females. Even slow moving creatures such as snails and earthworms which may reproduce faster by cloning still do sex although they may not find mates fast so they maximize the probability of mating successfully by becoming hermaphrodites.

Most surviving human societies have codified this promotion of heterosexual intercourse into customs, laws, and taboos("fire and brimstones" to Sodom and Gomorrah) to maximize their populations in accordance with the evolutionary mandate(as well as the biblical one - "be fruitful and fill all the earth"). However, that was developed when the global population was small. I think most reasonable people will agree that nowadays we are overpopulating the Earth causing wars after long stretches of population growth so unconventional sex is unlikely to decimate a human population.

My problem with our current regime is that our leader had said that he would allow one new regulation only if two were retired. Without looking at what is new being regulated and what are old being retired, playing the number game is moronic.

On fans we require grates to protect people from being cut up. Why do we not require grates on propellers of boats, for example, to protect water creatures from being cut up? It is because water creatures cannot sue in court and grates cost money for the boat owners. Deregulation just for the sake of reducing the count of regulations is as stupid as allowing the removal of all grates from all fans.

I think we should modernize, streamline, and rationalize our laws and regulations but let the count be whatever it needs to be. Minimizing it often makes compliance easier so getting feedbacks and re-evaluating should be done from time to time.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

Like the evil Slck Willy & sHillary did to the poor of Arkansas when Slick was gov.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 weeks ago

Lyndon Johnson was the closest to honest Democratic President. And he wasn't half as good as JFK or FDR.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 weeks ago

Did you mean to send that comment to flipper?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

i hope not - lbj killed my best friend in vietnam and wanted to send me there - no small d democrat in my mind. ok he gave us medicare - nothing to sneeze at. and the great liberal jfk almost blew up the world - made the 12 year old me ask my mother if we were going to build a fall out shelter - she said no. she felt there was no point living in a world after nuclear war - what the hell is a 12 yr old supposed to do with that info!

and for what exactly did jfk push us to the brink - to save face or some macho bullshit? sure we took missiles out of turkey but let's pretend we backed down the hated ruskies. and why did we hate them - because the beat the nazis not us? the germans would have eaten our lunch without russian involvement. it's my understanding that a russian captain or some such saved the world during the missile crisis.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 4 weeks ago

I think you have come up with an excellent reason why praying to God is utterly useless and futile. God knows Everything! God doesn't need anyone to mutter anything to understand completely. Mommieee is different, though.

If one prays multiple times and keeps on receiving exactly the same guidance from the casting of lots after having added more relevant supporting details saying that "Oh, I forgot to tell You last time, ..." I take that as an uncanny near-proof of the existence of an omniscient God. That happened inadvertently(if there is such a thing as 'inadvertent') so I agree with Blaise Pascal's bet that God exists.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

i can think of one other thing that is utterly useless

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 4 weeks ago

We do Not hate Russia or its people. We hate Russia's treatment of its people, especially the political (or not) oppositions(Russia used a hypodermic needle to inject sedatives after @25:14 to silence the mother of a submariner of the Kursk). We hate Russia's meddling around the world creating chaos(e.g., East Ukraine, Crimea, downing of civilian airliners over Ukraine and near Kamchatka peninsula). We hate the Soviet Union's de facto occupation of Eastern Europe. We hate Soviet tanks' crushing of the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the Prague Spring in 1968. We hated the Berlin Wall. We hate Russia's "save-my-own-ass" command and control structure that prevented the timely rescue effort of the Kursk in a cover-up. We hate the Soviet Union's starvation of ten(s) of millions of its people in a mad collectivization drive.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 weeks ago

we love our meddling around the world creating not instabilities but insanities and unlivable conditions. we love our lynching of blacks and browns and the jailing of them for minor offenses for which the little white boys of the wealthy suburbs are slapped on the wrist. we give medals to our captains who shoot down civilian airlines and put the murderer of mai lai on house arrest for a few weeks and give the bigger mass murders - of rolling thunder etc medals and promotions. we love the slaughter of hundreds of thousands in central and south america - we love the nazi generals who we helped to flee to south america. those evil shits who the soviets fought tooth and nail while we hung out in england waiting for the dust to settle. those evil nazis who ran from the soviet troops into the arms of the americans - think reinhard gehlen here - like little boys afraid of the boogey man. to be coddled and given big jobs and positions of power so they could go on killing brown people and jews and commies.

oh shit this is like shooting fish in a barrel and what fun is that. i know you are kidding - nobody at ows is that ignorant of our crimes.nobody at ows trashes other governments for crimes which we have committed - well usually ours are worse but you get the picture.

everybody at ows understands that we must fix our country before we point the finger at the problems of others. the problems in other countries are for the people of those countries to solve. everybody here understands that simple and correct principle right? i know your kidding but my god what a waste of time to pretend to worry about a country that saved the world from the nazis and is trying at this moment to be very reasonable while we have an insane clown president trying to blow up our country and the world

and one other thing what the fuck does your response have to do with lbj and the death of my friend - that is really disturbing. that is what the alt right does when some girl gets run down at a nazi rally - the point the finger at the left for its violence - that is sick

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 4 weeks ago

I turned myself upside down against the wall in a somersault on the bed. I could feel the tensions but what the trouble was was far beyond my comprehension.

JFK adhered to the Monroe Doctrine so (hostile) missiles in Cuba were unacceptable to the U.S. It was no different from the recent events when DPRK fired missiles and detonated higher-yielding nuclear bomb. DPRK will soon move into range of the U.S. mainland. Donald Trump was both enamored of and excited about commanding the nuclear weapons. This guy was counting money while others were splattering brains. He doesn't get IT! Yikes!!!

Of course, DPRK has yet another princeling fancying nuclear weapons! How the Hell did we come to this?!!! Oh, Mommieee!

There is a rather simple solution, though. If everyone clamors for nuclear weapons in East Asia and they deter attacks, amend Japan's Constitution and let the artificial sun rise in false dawn as needed, for the new "equilibrium."

日本国 can shine as the caretaker.

As for protecting South Korea, station U.S. near-but-non-nuclear weapons permanently near the DMZ. Decapitate whenever it becomes necessary in accordance with the unsettled state of conflict with DPRK. 'Inadvertently' take out DPRK's connections with Russia and China. Manufacture accidents.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

now tell me something i don't know. and does that change what i said in any way?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 4 weeks ago

In our system of the Presidency, cheaters do better because the voters dislike the honest truth.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

"truth is like poetry - and most people hate poetry!" mark twain

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

that is very clear and very true

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 month ago

It seems to me that you object, correctly, to the conservatism of those labeled "liberal."

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 month ago

not sure i am objecting to anything except the labels. i know what is meant by conservative and liberal in normal conversation but the labels are really meaningless i think. todays republican "conservatives" are really radical statist crazies and liberals are mostly warmongering promoters of gay marriage and the corporate agenda.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (1825) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 month ago

how much worse must it get before a critical mass awakens and rebels convincingly?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 weeks ago

that is the question

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 month ago

the masters threaten the survival of the human race

Am looking (scratch that - i fully expect) to see Drumpf admin to try to shutdown the federal flood insurance program SOON - program is underwater - and that was before Irma and Harvey!