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Forum Post: Time to deny U.S. teat to Israel -- we cannot be complicit in Israeli war crimes in Gaza & we need the $5.5B here at home

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 20, 2012, 8:57 a.m. EST by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY
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  1. Time to keep our money here at home. These crimes are being committed on our dime, using U.S. weapons. No more. Further, investing in our broken infrastructure, funds starved education system would be job drivers for the future. The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers ( http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html#.UKlJhLXl49U.twitter )

  2. Time to investigate AIPAC as probable unregistered foreign agents. It should also be investigated for possible criminality: bribery, blackmail and murder.

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[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"Does anyone seriously think it’s about rockets?

What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would the illegal blockade be lifted? Would Gazans enjoy the same freedoms as other nations? Would their democratically elected government be allowed to get on and govern? Would they be able to open their sea port to foreign ships and rebuild and operate their airport? Would they be able to import and export and carry on trade and develop their economy and prosper like other countries?

"They stole my land,

burnt my olive trees,

destroyed my house,

took my water,

bombed my country,

imprisoned my father,

killed my mother,

took my job,

starved us all,

humiliated us all,

But I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.

So they stole more of my land,

burnt my olive trees,

destroyed my house,

took my water,

bombed my country…."" http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/11/does-anyone-seriously-think-its-about-rockets/

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4647) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] 2 points by gmxusa (274) 1 year ago

The Conflict is anything but symmetric. Like the other lies of Zionist propagandists, this too attempts to give the illusion that it is simply a problem of two Peoples unable to get along, People with equal rights to the same land. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Israelis invaded Palestine. Palestinians didn't invade Israel. European Jews who now live in Israel, a state founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, a state that is daily illegally expanding its yet-undeclared borders, have ZERO right to do what they are doing to their victims. To compare Palestinian resistance to the illegal acts of their oppressors with the "both sides" narrative is a disservice to justice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/21/israel-gaza-us-support

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

If we don't care enough to look deeply into what causes violence we will never be able to end the violence. You are exactly right, nomdeguerre. it's about the occupation, not the rockets.

When one group of people occupies and subjugates another group of people they ought to expect resistance.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

chicken or egg?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

That question is for you, not me.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BW - you are not being at all open minded about this - you have a belief - and it is what you are standing behind - but it is a flawed belief. Gaza has been set up - they are being used - fanatics are being given arms - and the people are being caught in the back fire.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

Please stop condescending to me. I am entitled to my own opinion, which I will state however I like, which is based on a study of history at the graduate level. I will say whatever I want to say, DKA. You are free to say whatever you want to say. This is an open forum is it not? The root of the problem is the illegal occupation and the taking and controlling of land.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

How would you settle the problem?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

At a minimum, the occupation needs to end. Even better would be the return of land.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fine ignore the fact that those people in Gaza were sent there not to found a home but to be a pawn.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Who sent 'those people in Gaza' there? It is you who seem to 'ignore the facts', I think so I hope that this link helps - http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html - and good luck.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Another small step for Palestinian freedom.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/24/world/meast/gaza-israel-ceasefire/

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

May peace & reason prevail & I'm grateful for your link where I first realised the extent of the loss of life (160 Palestinians and 6 Israelis) arising from this latest bout of violence. Thanks for the comment & link.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Talks continue today to open Gaza borders, and an analysis is underway to determine if Arafat was poisoned.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

That is interesting and thank you. Did you know that the Israeli Government were heavily pressurised by the US to provide the antidote to the Jordanians when the Mossad poisoned the Hamas leader, Khalid Mashal in Jordan? I've lunch to prepare or else I would find you a link for that, but I'm sure that you will be able to find many. Peace.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Never heard that one. I will look.

Thx

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Did you have any luck with that?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Time lines - interesting.

A Timeline of the History of Israel

Excerpt: C. 17th Century BCE

The Patriarchs of the Israelites, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bring the belief in One God to the Promised Land where they settle. Famine forces the Israelites to migrate to Egypt

Documents unearthed in Mesopotamia, dating back to 2000- 1500 BCE, corroborate aspects of their nomadic way of life as described in the Bible. The Book of Genesis relates how Abraham was summoned from Ur of the Chaldeans to Canaan to bring about the formation of a people with belief in the One God. When a famine spread through Canaan, Jacob (Israel), his twelve sons and their families settled in Egypt, where their descendants were reduced to slavery and pressed into forced labor.


Timeline of the name Palestine

Excerpt: The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Interesting wikipedia link about Palestine and what about that first link? Are you being serious? This is your source - http://contenderministries.org/ ? What do you imagine this has to do with anything? Are you one of those people who needs to believe that all Jewish people must return to Israel before you can be raptured up to heaven or something?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Research - http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.html but I can't help you much more now because I have to get busy. See you after Thanksgiving perhaps. Happy holidays.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

Nice link. A map is a map is a map. Can't dispute that.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BW - you should appreciate this map as well:

The Kingdoms of David and Solomon: 1077 – 997 BC

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

And???? There is nothing I don't know there, DKA. That was 3000 years ago. The region has a very complex history, yes. Many different people coming and going over thousands of years. Does that change the fact that the occupation of Palestine is wrong? Nope.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So that reality is not excluded from all considerations:

Since 1948, almost 10 million Muslims have died at the hands

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Missiles fired into civilian populations is not a human rights violation? Is not a crime against humanity? Really? Suicide Bombers attacking civilians are not a crime against humanity?

Lebanon / Syria / Jordan / Egypt all attack Israel in the 6 day war - the war that caused the shift in borders. Where is their responsibility in all of this? They are the suppliers of arms to Hamas ( and the PLO prior to Hamas ) - which Hamas is using to attack Israeli civilians ( add Iran to the arms supplier list as well ) And you are gonna blame this mess all on the Israelis?


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (10609) 6 minutes ago

There is no comparison in the violation of human rights on the people in Gaza and the people in Israel. I'm not even sure what rights you are talking about being violated in Israel. Here is Amnesty International's summary of the the occupation and the violation of rights there:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2011

And, sorry, but when searching the internet to see what you are talking about in terms of the Israeli people suffering from a violation of their human rights, all that comes up are sites that talk about things like this:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/gaspd469.doc.htm

http://www.ips.org/mdg3/rights-palestinian-women-suffer-as-israel-violates-cedaw/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wages-war-on-human-rights/5309297

That's enough for me. I can't read any more of this. Going to focus on Thanksgiving. And, you should know, the search I made in google was for "Israelis suffering human rights violations." ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So recent maps have more validity? How recent? Where are you drawing the line?


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (10593) 0 minutes ago

Good grief, DKA. Yes, the history of that region is complicated. Very good. What did the most recent maps say, hmmm?

Anyway, maps aside, because the point is not about the maps, the point is about the violation of human rights. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

Umm. 1967, prior to the Six Day War would be fair enough.

And, as I said, but you don't listen, 'cause maybe you don't care, I hope that isn't true, but human rights are being violated. The suffering of the Gazan people is the primary concern.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And the occupation of North and South America?

Look the violence is wrong on all sides of the issue. Let us all advocate for peace.

2 wrongs do not make a right. And it is the civilians who pay the price - given no choice by either side.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

The way to bring about lasting peace is to end the violation of human rights.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do care - but where is your concern for the Israeli civilians? Is it your contention that only the civilians in Gaza have human rights? or they are the only ones who are having those rights violated?

BTW - I should think after the 6 day war as that was territory claimed as a buffer after defending being invaded.


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (10593) 0 minutes ago

Umm. 1967, prior to the Six Day War would be fair enough.

And, as I said, but you don't listen, 'cause maybe you don't care, I hope that isn't true, but human rights are being violated. The suffering of the Gazan people is the primary concern. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

There is no comparison in the violation of human rights on the people in Gaza and the people in Israel. I'm not even sure what rights you are talking about being violated in Israel. Here is Amnesty International's summary of the the occupation and the violation of rights there:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2011

And, sorry, but when searching the internet to see what you are talking about in terms of the Israeli people suffering from a violation of their human rights, all that comes up are sites that talk about things like this:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/gaspd469.doc.htm

http://www.ips.org/mdg3/rights-palestinian-women-suffer-as-israel-violates-cedaw/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-wages-war-on-human-rights/5309297

That's enough for me. I can't read any more of this. Going to focus on Thanksgiving. And, you should know, the search I made in google was for "Israelis suffering human rights violations."

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am sorry - I can't help it. What happened to a map is a map is a map?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20721) 1 year ago

Good grief, DKA. Yes, the history of that region is complicated. Very good. What did the most recent maps say, hmmm?

Anyway, maps aside, because the point is not about the maps, the point is about the violation of human rights.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - you should appreciate this map as well:

The Kingdoms of David and Solomon: 1077 – 997 BC

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

I opened your 'Christian Friends of Israel' link and read it all and looked at all the maps, whereas there is no evidence whatsoever that you did the same to the link I provided. However, thank you for answering with this comment, all my questions to your comment below.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

If you agree with Israel having a right to the palestinians land because of historical boundries then you must be ok with Iran taking over the mideast since it is historically persian land. BTW any site that supports creationism like the link above has proven an inability to accept facts and loses all relavence.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What do you think of the illegal occupation of North and South America?

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I would like to think that we as a civilization have evolved from the times when we subjugated, killed native people and stole their land.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Same way I think of palestinian occupation. If we try to bulldoze current native americans towns against strong opposition and kill their children they would have the right to fihght back anyway they can.

What do you think about giving Iran their historic borders?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What U only cede small encampments as legal territory of the American Indians? Why how generous and thoughtful and considerate of U.

Which Historic borders of Iran? BC or AD ? How far back in history?

Cause what were the American Indian's Historic Borders? The East coast, West coast, North to the arctic circle, and South to the Southern Tip of South America ?

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Just being realistic in both cases. The right thing would be to give the native americans their territory back just like the right thing would be to disband the states on their land just like the right thing would be to disband Israel. We didn't have the right to create a state in either situation. Since that will never happen the least we could do is leave them the land they currently possess. As for Iran that was to show how you will defend Israel's borders from thousands of years ago but not the more recent borders of a muslim country that had the territory for centuries.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - Quick Question.

Is North and South America illegally occupied?

How About Europe? Asia? India? Africa? ? ? _? etc.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

From your wikipedia link - The Philistines and Philistia are mentioned more than 250 times in the Hebrew Bible.[117][118][119] The Hebrew word Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth) - usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible to denote the southern coastal region that was inhabited by the Philistines ("Plištim" (פְּלִשְׁתִּים Pəlištîm)[24] The Philistines first appear in a listing of the Hamitic branch of Noah's descendants.[120] The word Philistia is generally accepted to be a cognate of the word Palestine. However, the terms for biblical Philistia and geographical Palestine have been different since at least the second century BCE. As early as the LXX, thought to have been completed in 132 BCE, the biblical term for Philistines in Greek (Philistieim) was different to the contemporary Greek name for the region (Palaistine)[121] .

I'm off to prep for tomorrow now so extend to you and your family, good wishes for Thanksgiving.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - Quick Question.

Is North and South America illegally occupied?

How About Europe? Asia? India? Africa? ? ? _? etc.

[-] 0 points by gmxusa (274) 1 year ago

The “Israel has a right to exist” argument is pure garbage. I’ve got more right to Buckingham Palace than a bunch of Khazars have to Palestine. But what else can they say? They know they’re liars and thieves and that they’re running out of excuses. Similarly with the “Israel has a right to defend itself” crap. Israel has not more “right to defend itself” than a punk with a gun has to “defend himself” while robbing a convenience store. Their hysterical screaming and scheming happens because THEY are the hysterical ones.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

What do you consider proof of a Khazar/Jewish connection?

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Would Gazans enjoy the same freedoms as other nations?
any freedom Hamas allows them
Why don' t the rich Arab states send in food?
In stead of rockets?

[-] 3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Why would Israelis have a right to self defense while Palestinians do not?

I happen to think that the rockets are counterproductive. Hamas and the Palestinians in general should go the nonviolent route. They simply can't match the Darth Vader/Israel level of violence. One should never put up a small fist up against a large fist.

That said, no human being wants to be like a dog cowering in a corner while being beaten, which Israel, in its apparently infinite evil, seems to expect of the Palestinians.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

History itself is the greatest teacher. Thank you for these links. Never Give Up! Occupy Thanksgiving!

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4647) 1 year ago

Good point 4, and you are welcome.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Thanks '1', lol and further to your very good links - http://www.nationofchange.org/gaza-ceasefire-be-decided-cairo-will-us-reign-israeli-occupation-blockade-1353430386 - and Happy Holidays to you and yours. Go Occupy!

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4647) 1 year ago

Thank you 4, for additional link.

And Happy Holidays to you and yours.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Amy Goodman is a very good and honourable journalist. Have a Great Thanksgiving my friend and also I think I prefer 'A4C' or even 'Achey' lol but I'd rather be a name than a number, 'Nevada' & not '1' :) Peace!

[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

If enough Americans knew of Israel's treachery regarding the U.S.S. Liberty Israel would be totally on its own. U.S.S. Liberty - never forget.

From an earlier post:

The Israeli attack on Liberty in 1967 is a fact, not a theory. What they did once they could do again.

Facts are facts, whether they support conspiracy theories or not. Conspiracy speculations are speculations, reasonable thinkers can decide if they make a prima facie case or not. Grow up.

From http://occupywallst.org/forum/pentagon-finds-perils-for-us-if-israel-were-to-str/:

Israel's attack on the U.S.S. Liberty: http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ (official site);

"”If we could get the truth of the Liberty out, it would change the history of this country.”" http://www.uss-liberty.com/

U.S.S. Liberty Photos: http://www.uss-liberty.com/uss-liberty-photos/

Overview: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

Israel tried a false flag attack on America before in the 1967 war, they may try again. The aim then was to blame the attack on Egypt and drag us into the war, now the attack would be blamed on Iran.

Earlier discussions here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/iran-target-of-false-flag-strategy/, http://occupywallst.org/forum/former-israeli-intelligence-officer-avi-perry-writ/

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Thank you for your good post, good comment and good links and this culled from another post - http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/we-are-all-israelis-now-its-brutality-unlike-syrias-is-fought-in-the-name-of-the-wests-war-on-terror-8335857.html - history and truth are so very important, which is why they are so manipulated. Solidarity!

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

launching random rockets is not "self defense"

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

But killing random Gazan women and children is?

It is a bad strategy. Maybe you've killed all the intelligent Palestinian leaders. Or maybe Mossad is simply following its motto, "We wage war by way of deception" and sacrificing some of Israel's own people. You know, for the greater good of Greater Israel.

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Why would Israel kill "randomly" ?
Why does Hamas kill randomly ?

[-] -3 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Here's a story I heard - I believe it - but it may not be true
When Israel has targetted a particular person at a particular location, Israel TRIES to call cell phones to warn civilians who live nearby

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Get real, liar.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

How incredibly weak! I report something I heard - and you call me a liar!
I assume that if I tell you that Israel also dropped warning leaflets to steer
civilians away from targets.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

It's easier to call you a liar than to actually do his own homework. :-)

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23504/Default.aspx

Or this: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=225172

Richard Kemp, former Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan:

"But no one has been able to tell me which other army in history has ever done more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone.

In fact, my judgments about the steps taken in that conflict by the IDF to avoid civilian deaths are inadvertently borne out by a study published by the United Nations itself, a study which shows that the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza was by far the lowest in any asymmetric conflict in the history of warfare.

The UN estimate that there has been an average three-to one ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in such conflicts worldwide. Three civilians for every combatant killed.

That is the estimated ratio in Afghanistan: three to one.

In Iraq, and in Kosovo, it was worse: the ratio is believed to be four-to-one. Anecdotal evidence suggests the ratios were very much higher in Chechnya and Serbia.

In Gaza, it was less than one-to-one.

This extremely low rate of civilian casualties flatly contradicts many of Goldstone’s original allegations, and the bleating insistence of various human rights groups about Israel’s alleged crimes against humanity.

And last month, even Judge Richard Goldstone changed his mind."

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

"This article or section contains unconfirmed rumors and/or speculation. Information must be verifiable and based on reliable published sources. Please remove rumors and speculation and discussion from the article."

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Goldstone's findings stand the test of time standing by themselves. It doesn't matter if he was later intimidated or otherwise gotten to.

Get lost Eva Braun.

[+] -5 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

How did the Israels steal land?

[-] 3 points by gmxusa (274) 1 year ago

A Jew born in any country is entitled to have a piece of Palestine. Land stealing, pure and simple. Why is this so hard to understand?

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 1 year ago

They United Nations recognizes Israel as a country so you seem not to know your history. They annexed additinal land after being attacked. Whats the problem?

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

"The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece."

Where exactly were the 12 tribes of Israel living, at that point in time?

You should read this: http://cojs.org/cojswiki/When_Palestine_Meant_Israel,_David_Jacobson,_BAR_27:03,_May/Jun_2001.

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Do you cite your source for this silliness?


In our recent elections, it would be very hard to come up with a more significant reason for the republican losses than the fact that they told the truth about themselves.
Why can’t we also learn the truth from what the PLO says about the “Palestinian people” ?
: On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with
Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.


”The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of “Palestine”, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”


A provocative story? It’s more than that. It is the truth.
Truth does not change. Truth is truth.
If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.
And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.
You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement:
“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.” The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception – but is source from a PLO leader!

What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth –
that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.


Pretty clear, isn’t it? It’s even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993.
It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.


On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, Arafat stated:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”


No matter how many people delude themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland.
It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was telling the truth. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state to launch attacks at the only Jewish state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.


▬►Why didn’t the PLO accept any of the MANY two state solutions proposed by Israel & America in the last few decades?
▬►If the Arab nations were interested in peace or simply aiding their brethren ,
they would support the West Bank as part of Jordan & Gaza as part of Egypt
( as it was occupied by Egypt 1948-1967 ).
▬►And they would be sending food to Gaza in stead of guns & rockets.
▬►If the Gazan militants were really fighting for the Gazan people,
they would not launch their rockets from civilian neighborhoods. by Joseph Farah

[-] 3 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

Roots action is circulating a petition to withhold tax money for the bombing of civilians.

http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6891

Also in regards to Beautiful worlds comment about finding the root causes of this violence and preventing it I agree. In addition to the occupation the long term root causes involves early childhood abuse on both sides which Alice Miller and others that continue after her passing have tried to explain.

http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"Gilad Sharon, son of Ariel Sharon, wrote in the Jerusalem Post that Israel should “Flatten all of Gaza.”

“There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire,” he wrote. “We need to flatten entire neighbourhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.”

Many Israelis and even some Zionists are ‘outraged’ but the truth must be told – Sharon’s views are fully consistent with Zionism, Israeli thinking and some aspect of Jewish culture." http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/sharon-the-truth-teller.html

EVIL, EVIL, EVIL

Why are we complicit in this?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

we are not complicit in this - America has been pushing a two state solution for decades
but maybe you forgot that
or maybe you forgot how many times the PLO turned down a two state solution but maybe you forgot that too ISRAEL WILL NOT INVADE GAZA


but the rabid anti-Israel liars will be very disappointed in that fact

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Terrorist attack on civilians in Tel Aviv-
The eight-day conflict in the Gaza Strip appeared to have spilled onto the streets of Tel Aviv on Wednesday with what police described as a bomb blast aboard a civilian bus. The explosion came as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton pursued diplomatic efforts to end the fighting. She planned to fly to Cairo Wednesday after talks with Israeli leaders in Jersualem and Palestinian leaders in the West Bank.

On several occasions since the latest conflagration seized Gaza last week, militants have aimed rockets at Tel Aviv but they have either fallen short, landed in the sea or been intercepted.
Hundreds of rockets fired by militants in Gaza have struck other targets.

But the bombing seemed to mark the first time in the current fighting that violence had spread directly onto the streets of Tel Aviv. The bus was not full at the time of the explosion, rescue officials said.

“A bomb exploded on a bus in central Tel Aviv. This was a terrorist attack” Reuters quoted Ofir Gendelman, a spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

According to The Associated Press, the bus exploded on one of Tel Aviv’s busiest arteries, near the city’s museum.

Television footage showed a bus with shattered windows, filled with smoke.

In a Twitter message, the Israeli military said: “A bus has exploded in Tel Aviv. Possibly due to a bomb or suicide bomber. Many ambulance sirens. Stay tuned for updates.”

Bus bombs and urban violence were relatively common a decade ago during the second Palestinian uprising, but have been rare in recent years.

Police said they were hunting for a man who jumped on and off the bus shortly before the blast.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

We should also stop all of US money going to Egypt as well. Specifically, their military. Don't you think?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And Pakistan. And where ever else we are sending money or arms and not aid.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I agree. However, Egypt used to occupy Gaza and is now finding itself as a negotiator whilst trying not to piss off the US so that they can still make bank. They have all kind of problems of their own and already has animosity towards Israel with their current president.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Old history - things have not changed - Egypt was never a friend of Israel. The Gaza strip and the people who were "placed" there is just another ongoing attack - as I said earlier - and got a lot of flack for - Gaza has been set as a stalking horse - those feeding arms into Gaza do not care one least little bit about Gaza - no - they care about swatting Israel - in what ever manner they can.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Hamas is the 'black bloc' of the people "occupying" the Gaza Strip.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, it really is the least that they can do. Notice that there are only two countries that have invited the Palestinians in. Nobody else wants their shit. Nobody.

And I ask, why is that, exactly?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28267) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is - what it is - a sham - an angle - a move on the chessboard - smoke and mirrors. People sent in to a situation hoping to find a place to call home - to settle and prosper - only - those that sent them there never had any intention that that is what they would find.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

I agree with you 100%! It's amusing to watch the talking heads all whine about poor Israel.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Israel was obviously worried that peace was about to break out.

"Israel’s Shortsighted Assassination [Gershon Baskin]

. . . Passing messages between the two sides, I was able to learn firsthand that Mr. Jabari wasn’t just interested in a long-term cease-fire; he was also the person responsible for enforcing previous cease-fire understandings brokered by the Egyptian intelligence agency. Mr. Jabari enforced those cease-fires only after confirming that Israel was prepared to stop its attacks on Gaza. On the morning that he was killed, Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance. This draft was agreed upon by me and Hamas’s deputy foreign minister, Mr. Hamad, when we met last week in Egypt." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/opinion/israels-shortsighted-assassination.html?smid=re-share

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

In our recent elections, it would be very hard to come up with a more significant reason for the republican losses than the fact that they told the truth about themselves.
Why can’t we also learn the truth from what the PLO says about the “Palestinian people” ?
: On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with

Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.


”The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of “Palestine”, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”


A provocative story? It’s more than that. It is the truth.
Truth does not change. Truth is truth.
If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.
And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.
You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement:
“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.” The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception – but is source from a PLO leader!

What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth –
that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.


Pretty clear, isn’t it? It’s even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993.
It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.


On the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, Arafat stated:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”


No matter how many people delude themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland.
It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was telling the truth. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state to launch attacks at the only Jewish state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine. If the Arab nations were interested in peace or simply aiding their brethren , they would support the West Bank as part of Jordan & Gaza as part of Egypt ( as it was occupied by Egypt 1948-1967 ). And they would be sending food to Gaza in stead of guns & rockets. If the Gazan militants were really fighting for the Gazan people, they would not launch their rockets from civilian neighborhoods. by Joseph Farah