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Forum Post: Thoughts on Syria anyone? Or general thoughts on the process of waging peace?

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 30, 2013, 3:08 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN
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I wanted to make sure that you saw Jim's email yesterday asking for your opinion on how the US should proceed in Syria. This is a complex situation, and as a member driven organization, we want to hear your thoughts on how you think the US and DFA should move forward.

Please take a moment to let our team know your views on Syria.

Thanks for being part of DFA,

Charles

Charles Chamberlain, Executive Director Democracy for America


FW: Where do you stand on Syria? Sender: Jim Dean, Democracy For America

The civil war in Syria has claimed over 100,000 lives. And last Wednesday, the situation got even worse: at least 350 people died and over 3,600 were hospitalized after a suspected chemical attack.

Increasingly, it looks like the US may be planning a military response.

This situation is complicated, and Democracy For America members are expressing a variety of views on how we should proceed. We need to hear from you to find out where you stand.

Please take a moment to express your views on Syria here.

If you aren't sure where you stand right now, even that information is helpful. As a membership driven organization, it is vital that we hear from you. So don't hold back. Let us know what you think right now.

Thanks for all you do to move America and DFA forward,

Jim

Jim Dean, Chair Democracy for America

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Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:

NO

Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Who Blocked Syrian Peace Talks ?'', by Robert Parry :

''The Real Target of These Attacks is Not Syria'', by Robert Fisk :

''Why America Cannot Live Without Wars'', by Chidanand Rajghatta :

''Is Attacking Syria Necessary For US National Security ?'', by Glenn Greenwald :

''Kucinich : Syria Strike Would Turn US Into 'al Qaeda's Air Force'', by Julian Pecquet :

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Now I'm not expecting anyone to read all of that in one sitting on this very nice forum-post but I lay these links down here because of my belief that we are only being shown a part of the picture by the USUK Pro-War MSM & I also link to two short videos too, though you'll probably have seen them both :

Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on earth. There is much more going on here than meets the eye & finally fyi, please see: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36032.htm .

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Here’s something President Obama omitted from his speech on Syria last night:

“The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 10 to 7 to approve the use of military force in Syria. Senators voting ‘yes’ received, on average, 83% more money from defense contractors than Senators voting ‘no.’”

When corruption becomes a matter of war and peace, we need to speak out. Click here to sign our open letter to all 10 Senators who voted 'yes.' We’ll send the letter to each Senator and submit it for publication in major newspapers in their home state.

Thanks for speaking out with me.

  • Josh

Dear Senator:

It has come to our attention that Senators on the Foreign Relations Committee voting ‘yes’ on the use of military force in Syria received, on average, 83% more campaign money from defense contractors than Senators voting ‘no.’

The possibility that matters of national security — of war and peace — could be influenced by campaign contributions is the ultimate insult to the American people.

You might contend that it’s just coincidence, or that a ‘yes’ vote is not influenced by the contributions, but the American people deserve a Government we can trust to unequivocally represent us, even in the face of profiteers and their cronies.

We, the people, must be able to trust that powerful special interests do not shape decisions as vital as military action in Syria.The flood of money from defense contractors into the Senate Foreign Relations Committee severely undermines this trust. The first step in restoring faith in the American government is for you to make a public statement denouncing the corrupting influence of money on matters of national security.

Sincerely

[Your Name Here]

Note: Represent.Us has no official position on military action in Syria. Our goal is to call out corruption and hold our elected officials accountable.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That was funny.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - very funny - and yet sad at the same time.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ya. But, the look on tweedle dee and tweedle dum?

Priceless.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep PRICELESS ( gee we said something really really stupid and got caught doing it - DOH - and with pictures and everything - DOH )

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

But how about the insane comment = Well those people are gonna die anyhow. WTF???

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yesterday, the president made the right decision by asking the people's representatives in Congress to vote on whether our nation uses military action in Syria.

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Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:

NO

Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.


BTW - TWEET

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

Hello DKA,

USUK/TPTB is the problem-------This psychopathic thing has committed countless atrocities. Some hope came from Parliament yesterday, and hoping for same from Congress (am pressuring reps). Link shows more on the injustice of it all. http://www.vtjp.org/background/gazaweapons.php

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey Nevada1,

Civilian deaths by Bullet - drone - bomb - missile - chemical weapon are all as heinous.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hmmm - interesting - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=eF0UNdoA/xTBDeF/UC2n13zyP%2BYtWDhi … The long & the short of it. Please scroll down 4 the videos.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well - it's not the WHOLE Enchilada - BUT - it is a piece of it ( MIC ).

Why We Might Bomb Syria Is Explained Perfectly By — A Dead Comedian?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Please take a moment to watch to listen to consider. I imagine the speaker to be every child and adult around the world - who just like you & I - just want to live a good life.

On 9/11, A 12-Year-Old Kid Learned A Hard Lesson

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Did you see it? The presidents latest speech about Syria?

No matter what else may be said about OH-bummer - He does make pretty speeches.

He mentioned video evidence of the attacks.

Have any of you seen them?

Has anyone seen video recording of Asshats missile launchers firing off those chemical weapons?

Would you know the difference between his regular missile munitions explosions and chemical munitions explosions?

Come-on. PEOPLE - civil war or no civil war - bombing your cities from the air or targeting your cities from the air with missiles or firing HE missiles from the ground and into your cities and shelling your cities from artillery and tanks. KILLING INDISCRIMINATELY anyone in the area - Men Women and yes CHILDREN - this is all still criminal - even without the use of chemical weapons. REALLY!!!

But I suppose " the distinction here " is that indiscriminate killing by Drone ooops I mean by conventional weapons in civilian areas is different than doing it with chemical weapons. Not a crime against humanity unless it is a chemical weapon. Whew what a relief. Hey?

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

" Not a crime against humanity unless it is a chemical weapon. Whew what a relief. Hey?"

That pretty much sums it up.

Politicians with charisma are lethal.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nice job, DKA.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thanks

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Thoughts on the situation in #Syria? Share them with @DFAAction http://democracyforamerica.com/pages/857-dfa-membership-survey-syria?akid=3863.2041858._mFx6n&rd=1&source=ND2&t=1 … via @DFAaction

H? w U wage PEACE ???

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Assad should resign.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That would be a good start - but it is not the whole remedy.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

It could be used as a reason for not executing a military strike.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - but is still not the whole remedy. There is still the whole Middle east policy.


The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Why?

Right now there is no evidence.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What that Syrian jets drop bombs on the cities? Syrian Tanks shell buildings?

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

Agree, killing by any weapon is killing. The thing is, the chem weapon issue (probably false flag) is an excuse to invade. Nothing US does is for the right reasons. Assad is a stink bomb, he just is not a US stink bomb. So it comes to this------US is auditioning for a Pol Pot lookalike.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I also heard a good comment on the PBS news hour the other day -

It does not take a genius to make serin. The rebel ummmmm guerrillas coming in from across the border could very well be armed with it.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

Important information.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Makes engineering a reason to invade easier.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

Agree. USG credibility is Zero------A well earned value. Such a history of False Flags.

Regarding the possibility of fixing the world, all roads lead to 9/11. The Rosetta Stone is WTC7.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

USG credibility is Zero------A well earned value.

Almost every single government for that matter.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Shock Doctrine.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

"America always does the right thing, after they try everything else.".

Nobody is fooled by the BS anymore. America's elitists are global terrorists.

Americans are either with them, or against them. Heard that before?

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

Yes, the "your either for us or against us" crap. And the "Home Land" thing----sickening.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

With a 9% approval of invasion of Syria.

I'm not kidding when I say that if the other 90% do nothing, it's curtains time.

Is your fallout shelter well-stocked? Iranians and Russians are on the ground in their tens of thousands. This is the big play at the plate. Northern hemisphere won't have to worry about climate change ever again.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4650) 1 year ago

On the ground? Where?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am thinking - in Russia and Iran - respectively.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It would be in the interests of the invaders to say where.

This is not another Iraq. Saudis are offering Putin "other deals" to get the Russians out of Syria.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

in their tens of billions - would sound much more dire - don't ya think? MSM would probably make the announcement with a straight face.

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[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's the play at the plate.

If the US does not secure the oil hegemony it seeks, the largest economy on the planet crashes.

Russia doesn't give a fuck if this happens. China is rationalising this happening, because to continue the hegemony is pointless for them.

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[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Negatory. China has no wish to see their largest trading partner go down.

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[-] -1 points by cruisecontrol (-49) 1 year ago

Even tho there are some folks in the middleeast crazy enuf to toss a nuke or 2 around, would that not really poison the entire area that they are all so closely jammed into? I keep thinking that will be the saving grace. Israel or Iran would pollute their own lands if they let loose, right?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

" Accusations that Syria used chemical weapon 'against logic' - Assad "

Not anymore against logic than bombing and shelling his own cities. That being said - there is no reason that the guerrillas coming in across the border couldn't be armed with serin.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Of course not. However, the idea was floated a year ago. There is no evidence. They don't have it now. An earlier interview with Assad basically the same thing. Where is the IMF and the World Bank? Where is the oil? Geopolitical struggle?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It "is" all most definitely about location and resources and control. Hence my response to the question posed in the post.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ya and between you and I-I have many reasons that Assad should be gone but.............this isn't it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sure it is - but - that is not why action ( invasion ) is being pushed/engineered. You know it - I know it - most everyone with a working brain cell knows it.

[-] -1 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 1 year ago

I have a question: do antidotes exist for the various chemical induced diseases? If so, it would seem to spend time and energy creating massive amounts of antidotes, while also engaging in all of the ideas mentioned above. If not, there sure as hell should be working on it. No more weapons or attacks from us. We as a nation are not threatened by Syria or Assad -- and whatever American "interests" that are in the Middle East are corporations, banks, munitions makers -- and they can defend themselves.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

One more reason to remove personhood from corp(se)oRATions and corp(se)oRATions from government.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm having trouble taking seriously anyone who struggles to differentiate the difference between then and than.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I'm having trouble taking seriously anyone who struggles to differentiate the difference between then and than.

Eh?

[-] -1 points by cruisecontrol (-49) 1 year ago

Wow. I find myself in agreement with your response! Any UN action should also to work to remove the foreign "insurgents", too. It is the civilians caught in the crossfire that should be our concern.

[-] -2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Where do I stand on Syria? Where the government tells me to stand. I don't care about Syria. I'm not going to care about Iran either.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Did you happen to put that on the questionnaire?

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

That's none of your business.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Whatever. BTW - the government seems to have forwarded a message 2 U - ummmm lets C - Ah yes here it is - go play in traffic - um scuse - stand in traffic - rush hour traffic - preferably in the middle of the lane on a blind curve to on coming traffic - and to make sure you are standing where you can't be missed. Your government thanks you for taking it's direction. Ps - take your stand - and - Don't Move.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

He's a dumbfuck.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Most assuredly in his comments on this post. {:-])

For instance:

[+] -4 points by stevebol (1213) from Milwaukee, WI 17 hours ago

The Syrian military is out of control. Assad and his family should seek asylum somewhere.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

I have not seen that they have stopped following orders.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nah. He'll straight up tell you he's here to troll.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In which case - it is at least an honest SHILL. {:-]) Though that should probably be an advisement in it username - Hey?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Just rather worthless.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

True - being a shill "is" being WORTH-LESS as well as SHAME-FILLED um - scuse - FULL - no wait - it works either way. {:-])

[-] -2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I'm not giving you money either.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Aren't U standing in traffic yet?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Your stupidity knows no bounds.

[+] -4 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

The Syrian military is out of control. Assad and his family should seek asylum somewhere.