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Forum Post: Thought this might happen....

Posted 1 year ago on July 26, 2013, 1:43 p.m. EST by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI
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Negotiations have begun;

Edward Snowden Won't Face Death Penalty: Eric Holder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/snowden-death-penalty_n_3658771.html?ref=topbar

And of course this;

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear From Website

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/obama-whistleblower-website_n_3658815.html#comments

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[-] 0 points by HaveAlwaysBeenPoor (0) 1 year ago

I'm amused about how the focus is on Snowden and not the long term consequences of their actions. I guess the gov has decided it's in a position to not care what the people think. I'd be willing to bet that's a mistake, shortly.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Yes its amazing. The focus is on Snowdon and Manning, and Julian,... (good soap opera I admit I'm into it.) yet nobody is following up on all those serious crimes these folks exposed.

e.g. those individuals who committed collateral murder, politicians who have committed clear war and other crimes, are walking around free (at least to my knowledge), and government agencies who are undermining the Constitutions are not being reined in.

[-] 0 points by LeanMartin (3) 1 year ago

You mean why aren't folks focusing on the "phony scandals" Obama spoke of the other day? It is disappointing, to say the least. The failure of the Amash Amendment this week shows nothing will change. Snowden did all this for nothing, as did Manning. I don't blame Snowden for staying away....Manning has basically been tortured these last few years in custody.

[-] -1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

The vote actually gave me hope. Withall the power of the dem and Rep leadership.fighting the amendment to only lose by 12 votes is amazing. I love that it was supported by dens and reps. I can also see this vote being used against those who voted against it in the next election.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

maybe they can get him to admit to wrong doing in enlightening the public

ya know, the bargaining step

[-] -3 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Doubt that will happen. I thought the issue of the DP might come up. Snowden has to decide, face a possible life sentence in the US or stay in Russia and behave himself. He had it made with a gravy job making big$ and gave it up.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

If I were Snowden I'd stay at the airport. At least there is a duty free shop there.

[-] -3 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I wonder how much money he saved before his little adventure.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

He, He, I'm sure somebody is passing Snowden a few rubles to buy a pint of vodka. Maybe he brought along a guitar, and a hat.

I hear some Russian chick wants to marry him... ' can't be doing all that bad.

[-] -2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

He'll be very popular with the ladies there, no doubt. I'm sure he was popular in the US but that's just because he made big bucks.125K on one job and 200K on another. That's a lot of extra cash to give to strippers. Sometimes people are motivated just by a desire to be famous and I don't believe he really thought this through. This is not going to help US-Russia relations. He claims that winding up in Russia was an accident. It was no accident.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

I don't know what was running around in that boy's head. Personally, I think he was just wanting to do the right thing, but has not lived life enough to realize how cynical the world is.
Reminds me of this book by Jose Rizal, "Noli me Tangere.'

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[-] -3 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Lol.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

maybe he can get a job with a gaming company

[-] -3 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Some people just want to be famous.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The Green Party can save us.

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[-] 0 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Green Party in my State is too much into themselves.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

True. They invited me to perform, I drove 75 miles, then they only wanted to talk about recycling. They are the corpratist answer for an ecological work force.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

What did they want you to perform?

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Original music with justice and environmental themes.

[-] 2 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Cool, Did you actually play, or did you end up just having to listen to them?

[-] 2 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

About 2 songs, but they did not appreciate the occasional reference to things perhaps considered mystical and philosophical and asked me to stop.

After 4 years of open mic's I was sounding okay and club audiences enjoyed it. Some one I told about it a few days later suggested they might have a "Christian problem" with some of the lyrics.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

unbelievable.

I suppose that is why nobody really votes for them.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 1 year ago

Yep, dogma eventually causes dysfunction and people know it

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It's the same shit everywhere. Have you tried the libertopians?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

I haven't seen too many libertopians around my way.

But if I see one running for something, if they're half honest, not corrupt, I'll support them. I don't think anybody's particular political philosophy is the biggest issue. Biggest thing is to somehow get rid of the thugs and hoodlums who took over our government.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

There is only one way to get rid of the alec / nra employees

vote for electable candidates w ho support the 99% most of the time

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Only problem is there are none running

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders? Elizabeth Warren? Pocan? Nolan?
seriously - you can find no one ?

Please dont tell me that you are the kind of person, stranded on an island with nothing but banana trees - and who hates bananas - would starve rather than eat bananas.
david & charlie would love you!

[-] 6 points by Maggie22 (107) 1 year ago

More need to be found and elected.

[-] 4 points by BrianMid (132) 1 year ago

Is it possible to find more like them and encourage them to run from different congressional districts? Not as third party candidates but to run and win in primaries.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Seriously, do any of them have a real chance of winning in our rigged system?

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

Elizabeth Warren won against scott "mr wall street" brown

[-] 2 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

You give me hope. Thanks

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

particular political philosophy is the biggest issue.


Um............deregulation. That little thingy that the banksters and IMF love. The free market that has been such a success in name-your-country-in-Africa. Ya, I can totally see where someone who is honestly working towards the demise of the US is so not a hoodlum. Notice how the billionaires that are spending mega cash in politics via state legislation are libertopians?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Good point.

I don't think the average libertopian understands that though.

What I meant by particular political philosophy is whether a one is a socialist, or a lbertarian, democrat or republican, if one is honestly for the people, one will come up with about the same common sense solution, using what ever rational is one's flavor. Of course, most politician whatever their flavor seldom ever do.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Sure they do. They know exactly what it is. They just don't imagine themselves to be the ones that will be losing and it really is all about them.

When people talk about some archaic period of time that was really, really better-they don't imagine themselves as the hunchback lepers begging in the streets or forced into slavery due to wars. Somebody had to empty the chamber pot but it surely wasn't them. Nooooo. Same shit.

Want a better politician? Ask better questions.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

It takes more that a few smart questions to get a better politician. We all know that.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (22349) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Explains the foot in mouth disease suffered by the corpoRATists - OH I am sorry I did miss the qualifier. My Bad :-(

Actually lack of qualifier. Just politician - which I think for the most part considering the crap coming out of Washington - would easily be seen as crap in general.

[-] -3 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

the green party can't save itself and is unwilling and/or unable to take the hard line stance on some issues that simply must be done.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That's right, you don't vote at all. That's really cool. Then you can just kind of hand over your state and town to thugs.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Yep, that is about it. You heard what Former Prez Jimmy Carter had to say; "U.S.A. no longer has a functioning democracy."

http://occupywallst.org/forum/usa-no-longer-has-a-functioning-democracy/

[-] -2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Carter knows what's up. He doesn't support the DP.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, I heard it already. Anything else you wanted to discuss? Or was that it?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

So now that we no longer have a functioning democracy (that means voting doesn't work anymore), how else do we get our government to work for us people? How do we get our democracy back?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The question is, how badly do you want it back?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Yeh, that is about what it comes down to. I still got my cushy house, and my easy job. So, I'm not going to do much to risk that. Now as for the folks who don't have anything, what are they going to do?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I am asking you specifically, how badly do you want it back?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

I already answered that. I got me cushy house and me easy job. So long as nobody takes that away from me, I'm not going out to blow anybody away.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Why the hell would you blow someone away?

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

I just mentioned that so that the NSA narks listening in can pass the message on to the 1%.

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[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Oh geez, I just checked out the comment list my self. It does look incriminating; brings meaning to taking words out of context.

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

On the one hand, that is exactly what's going on,

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22349) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

cyber.sex.chat.orgy

Really? Daymn I missed it.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ya, that quick.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (22349) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

lol = I thought we had a cyber.sex.chat.orgy going on

[-] 0 points by LeanMartin (3) 1 year ago

Why not? We have a major thug (Chicago style) in the White House!

[-] 1 points by Shule (2227) 1 year ago

Only thing missing are the machine guns in the violin cases, but for that they got drones.

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Hey there, Dicknose. How you doin'?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The Libertopians can save us.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Russia's full of them.

It's Ayn's hometown.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017134549

Snowden should be careful what he asks for.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is where it was supposed to be a success, 'cept for that rule of law thingy.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I like how they all ignore how it was Judge Thomas that stoked the court that controls it.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Do you remember who it was that said that the free market failure in Russia was due to the lack of rule of law? It was hysterical all things considered.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No, I don't.

Was it Thomas?

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nope. Not so sure that Thomas is capable.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Stacking the NSA court, he was capable of that.

Funny how it's never mentioned in the "privacy" posts.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nobody likes to talk about Thomas. I take that back. Over a year ago when there was more interesting discussions-Thomas was a topic. I just don't think that he said the line.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yeah, it's hard for them to understand that it takes SCOTUS and State SCOTUS's, to really piss on constitutions, federal or state.

They point fingers everywhere but there..

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yep. It's like the last line of defense. Pay no attention to the legislation going down. Just kick rocks and talk about how the lower class should just stop buying shit because that is obviously the problem.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

These are people who don't understand the concept of children, or marraige.

That don't understand how HARD it is to buy 3-4 weeks of goods all at once.

Especially if you work at WallyWorld , or Micky D's.

Even then.....Even if you did....Shit happens.

And in the end??

It will all work out the same for the corps anyway, because you still bought the stuff.

Silly concept.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It wouldn't tick me off but there are facts to back this up. It's intentionally ignoring the obvious.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I posted it over the last couple of days.

Their point, is to keep you from coming to a conclusion, or at least one that doesn't fit their agenda.

Part of the new teabagge(R) disruption video?

Nope......it's in the original one.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

ABC shit. We're going to pretend that we have never seen this before and then let's pretend that we have to think this through.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (22349) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

AHHhahahaha - yeah that's it - with no money - daymn them poor people are sure crafty with a non-existent dollar. Hell what they make em out of - dust? Now that is crafty.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I know, right?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (22349) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well ya know poor peoples is magical - totally invisible to Government and media. I guess that is why it is only the wealthy and middle class get talked about - cause nothing exists below middle class. Hmmmm? Or is it that they CAN'T IMAGINE that anything exists below middle class and manages to live?

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yep.