Forum Post: Thought this might happen....
Posted 10 years ago on July 26, 2013, 1:43 p.m. EST by stevebol
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from Milwaukee, WI
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Negotiations have begun;
Edward Snowden Won't Face Death Penalty: Eric Holder
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/snowden-death-penalty_n_3658771.html?ref=topbar
And of course this;
Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear From Website
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/obama-whistleblower-website_n_3658815.html#comments
I'm amused about how the focus is on Snowden and not the long term consequences of their actions. I guess the gov has decided it's in a position to not care what the people think. I'd be willing to bet that's a mistake, shortly.
Yes its amazing. The focus is on Snowdon and Manning, and Julian,... (good soap opera I admit I'm into it.) yet nobody is following up on all those serious crimes these folks exposed.
e.g. those individuals who committed collateral murder, politicians who have committed clear war and other crimes, are walking around free (at least to my knowledge), and government agencies who are undermining the Constitutions are not being reined in.
You mean why aren't folks focusing on the "phony scandals" Obama spoke of the other day? It is disappointing, to say the least. The failure of the Amash Amendment this week shows nothing will change. Snowden did all this for nothing, as did Manning. I don't blame Snowden for staying away....Manning has basically been tortured these last few years in custody.
The vote actually gave me hope. Withall the power of the dem and Rep leadership.fighting the amendment to only lose by 12 votes is amazing. I love that it was supported by dens and reps. I can also see this vote being used against those who voted against it in the next election.
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maybe they can get him to admit to wrong doing in enlightening the public
ya know, the bargaining step
Doubt that will happen. I thought the issue of the DP might come up. Snowden has to decide, face a possible life sentence in the US or stay in Russia and behave himself. He had it made with a gravy job making big$ and gave it up.
If I were Snowden I'd stay at the airport. At least there is a duty free shop there.
I wonder how much money he saved before his little adventure.
He, He, I'm sure somebody is passing Snowden a few rubles to buy a pint of vodka. Maybe he brought along a guitar, and a hat.
I hear some Russian chick wants to marry him... ' can't be doing all that bad.
He'll be very popular with the ladies there, no doubt. I'm sure he was popular in the US but that's just because he made big bucks.125K on one job and 200K on another. That's a lot of extra cash to give to strippers. Sometimes people are motivated just by a desire to be famous and I don't believe he really thought this through. This is not going to help US-Russia relations. He claims that winding up in Russia was an accident. It was no accident.
I don't know what was running around in that boy's head. Personally, I think he was just wanting to do the right thing, but has not lived life enough to realize how cynical the world is.
Reminds me of this book by Jose Rizal, "Noli me Tangere.'
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Lol.
maybe he can get a job with a gaming company
Some people just want to be famous.
The Green Party can save us.
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Green Party in my State is too much into themselves.
True. They invited me to perform, I drove 75 miles, then they only wanted to talk about recycling. They are the corpratist answer for an ecological work force.
What did they want you to perform?
Original music with justice and environmental themes.
Cool, Did you actually play, or did you end up just having to listen to them?
About 2 songs, but they did not appreciate the occasional reference to things perhaps considered mystical and philosophical and asked me to stop.
After 4 years of open mic's I was sounding okay and club audiences enjoyed it. Some one I told about it a few days later suggested they might have a "Christian problem" with some of the lyrics.
unbelievable.
I suppose that is why nobody really votes for them.
Yep, dogma eventually causes dysfunction and people know it
It's the same shit everywhere. Have you tried the libertopians?
I haven't seen too many libertopians around my way.
But if I see one running for something, if they're half honest, not corrupt, I'll support them. I don't think anybody's particular political philosophy is the biggest issue. Biggest thing is to somehow get rid of the thugs and hoodlums who took over our government.
There is only one way to get rid of the alec / nra employees
vote for electable candidates w ho support the 99% most of the time
Only problem is there are none running
Bernie Sanders? Elizabeth Warren? Pocan? Nolan?
seriously - you can find no one ?
Please dont tell me that you are the kind of person, stranded on an island with nothing but banana trees - and who hates bananas - would starve rather than eat bananas.
david & charlie would love you!
More need to be found and elected.
Is it possible to find more like them and encourage them to run from different congressional districts? Not as third party candidates but to run and win in primaries.
Seriously, do any of them have a real chance of winning in our rigged system?
Elizabeth Warren won against scott "mr wall street" brown
You give me hope. Thanks
particular political philosophy is the biggest issue.
Um............deregulation. That little thingy that the banksters and IMF love. The free market that has been such a success in name-your-country-in-Africa. Ya, I can totally see where someone who is honestly working towards the demise of the US is so not a hoodlum. Notice how the billionaires that are spending mega cash in politics via state legislation are libertopians?
Good point.
I don't think the average libertopian understands that though.
What I meant by particular political philosophy is whether a one is a socialist, or a lbertarian, democrat or republican, if one is honestly for the people, one will come up with about the same common sense solution, using what ever rational is one's flavor. Of course, most politician whatever their flavor seldom ever do.
Sure they do. They know exactly what it is. They just don't imagine themselves to be the ones that will be losing and it really is all about them.
When people talk about some archaic period of time that was really, really better-they don't imagine themselves as the hunchback lepers begging in the streets or forced into slavery due to wars. Somebody had to empty the chamber pot but it surely wasn't them. Nooooo. Same shit.
Want a better politician? Ask better questions.
It takes more that a few smart questions to get a better politician. We all know that.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/07/u-s-asks-new-limit-on-texas-vote-laws/#more-167799
Pay attention to the cases. Even the boring ones.
http://www2.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/FTC_v_Phoebe_Putney_Health_Sys_Inc_133_S_Ct_1003_185_L_Ed_2d_43_2
These questions start at the state level.
Explains the foot in mouth disease suffered by the corpoRATists - OH I am sorry I did miss the qualifier. My Bad :-(
Actually lack of qualifier. Just politician - which I think for the most part considering the crap coming out of Washington - would easily be seen as crap in general.
the green party can't save itself and is unwilling and/or unable to take the hard line stance on some issues that simply must be done.
That's right, you don't vote at all. That's really cool. Then you can just kind of hand over your state and town to thugs.
Yep, that is about it. You heard what Former Prez Jimmy Carter had to say; "U.S.A. no longer has a functioning democracy."
http://occupywallst.org/forum/usa-no-longer-has-a-functioning-democracy/
Carter knows what's up. He doesn't support the DP.
Oh, I heard it already. Anything else you wanted to discuss? Or was that it?
So now that we no longer have a functioning democracy (that means voting doesn't work anymore), how else do we get our government to work for us people? How do we get our democracy back?
The question is, how badly do you want it back?
Yeh, that is about what it comes down to. I still got my cushy house, and my easy job. So, I'm not going to do much to risk that. Now as for the folks who don't have anything, what are they going to do?
I am asking you specifically, how badly do you want it back?
I already answered that. I got me cushy house and me easy job. So long as nobody takes that away from me, I'm not going out to blow anybody away.
Why the hell would you blow someone away?
I just mentioned that so that the NSA narks listening in can pass the message on to the 1%.
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Oh geez, I just checked out the comment list my self. It does look incriminating; brings meaning to taking words out of context.
On the one hand, that is exactly what's going on,
Really? Daymn I missed it.
Ya, that quick.
lol = I thought we had a cyber.sex.chat.orgy going on
Why not? We have a major thug (Chicago style) in the White House!
Only thing missing are the machine guns in the violin cases, but for that they got drones.
Hey there, Dicknose. How you doin'?
The Libertopians can save us.
Russia's full of them.
It's Ayn's hometown.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017134549
Snowden should be careful what he asks for.
This is where it was supposed to be a success, 'cept for that rule of law thingy.
I like how they all ignore how it was Judge Thomas that stoked the court that controls it.
Do you remember who it was that said that the free market failure in Russia was due to the lack of rule of law? It was hysterical all things considered.
No, I don't.
Was it Thomas?
Nope. Not so sure that Thomas is capable.
Stacking the NSA court, he was capable of that.
Funny how it's never mentioned in the "privacy" posts.
Nobody likes to talk about Thomas. I take that back. Over a year ago when there was more interesting discussions-Thomas was a topic. I just don't think that he said the line.
Yeah, it's hard for them to understand that it takes SCOTUS and State SCOTUS's, to really piss on constitutions, federal or state.
They point fingers everywhere but there..
Yep. It's like the last line of defense. Pay no attention to the legislation going down. Just kick rocks and talk about how the lower class should just stop buying shit because that is obviously the problem.
These are people who don't understand the concept of children, or marraige.
That don't understand how HARD it is to buy 3-4 weeks of goods all at once.
Especially if you work at WallyWorld , or Micky D's.
Even then.....Even if you did....Shit happens.
And in the end??
It will all work out the same for the corps anyway, because you still bought the stuff.
Silly concept.
It wouldn't tick me off but there are facts to back this up. It's intentionally ignoring the obvious.
I posted it over the last couple of days.
Their point, is to keep you from coming to a conclusion, or at least one that doesn't fit their agenda.
Part of the new teabagge(R) disruption video?
Nope......it's in the original one.
ABC shit. We're going to pretend that we have never seen this before and then let's pretend that we have to think this through.
AHHhahahaha - yeah that's it - with no money - daymn them poor people are sure crafty with a non-existent dollar. Hell what they make em out of - dust? Now that is crafty.
I know, right?
Well ya know poor peoples is magical - totally invisible to Government and media. I guess that is why it is only the wealthy and middle class get talked about - cause nothing exists below middle class. Hmmmm? Or is it that they CAN'T IMAGINE that anything exists below middle class and manages to live?
Yep.