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Posted 4 months ago on June 5, 2014, 5:30 p.m. EST by anonymous ()
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[-] 8 points by gsw (2697) 4 months ago

The purchase of the republic......by /charles-hugh-smith

The massive consolidation of wealth, combined with the removal of any limits on money in campaigns, has allowed for the purchase of our government......

The first is the increased concentration of corporate and private wealth. Both of which are quickly yelled down in the media as anti-free market and class war hysteria.

The second is the use of this wealth to capture all three branches of government in order to ensure the continued extraction of capital from the many and to the few.The rich might have climbed the ladder because they earned it, but they have then purchased government to pull up the ladder behind them.

The consequence of the first two components is a democracy in name only that represents the very few.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/purchase-republic.html

[-] 2 points by gsw (2697) 4 months ago

Very good historical and contemporary sources.

Thank you much

Edit I also appreciate this other study I believe had been linked by you somewhere else http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23757-this-just-in-us-ruled-by-the-rich

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 months ago

The rich might have climbed the ladder because they earned it, but they have then purchased government to pull up the ladder behind them.

they own the property

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1429) 4 months ago

Who sold it to them?

We did.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2726) 4 months ago

That in and of itself is a bill and sounds perfect to me. (With a bit of elaboration - you are in business) now...

[-] 3 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 months ago

Why dont we just work towards outlawing lobbying completely?

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[-] 2 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 months ago

Ending lobbying is more about remedying representative democracy than about getting money in or out of the system. Politicians should listen to their constituents, not only first but exclusively.

Congressmen should not be allowed to listen to people outside of their districts.

[-] -1 points by wickerman (62) 4 months ago

I agree completely with getting politicians to listen to their constituents exclusively. I do think that lobbyists are a part of the money problem though. They often give gifts, or offer employment opportunities to congressmen. Perhaps it's not the same as getting the money out, but it is about getting corruption out.

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 months ago

It's a step in the right direction, but it's far from the ultimate goal.

[-] 0 points by wickerman (62) 4 months ago

I agree, remember that we did not get here overnight. The rich worked their way in, gaining power a little at a time. For us to retake that power will require either a violent revolution, or a slow erosion. Each piece of power that we retake, is more power that we can use and less that they can use.

[-] -3 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 months ago

I'd say the rich have the least power they've ever had; but that's semantics. And I am definitely not in favor of a violent revolution. Not because I am against violence, but because that would be extremely ineffective.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 months ago

Prevent job offers as bribes

how will the republicans and democrats get people to vote for them ?

unemployed work for the dude with the money

the dude has all the money

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 months ago

I like that movie.

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[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5878) 4 months ago

Well, I guess you already you know that I'm not surprised. It's not that people aren't willing to talk about it. It's that people aren't willing to do more than talk about it.

[-] 1 points by wickerman (62) 4 months ago

Some of us are, HJR 1009, a proposed amendment to the Arkansas constitution was passed by both houses, with much help from the citizens of Arkansas. It does extend term limits, as it opponents claim, however it prohibits corporate donations to Arkansas candidates as well as forbidding them from accepting gifts from lobbyist. I am not a big fan of extending term limits, however it was a compromise to get the bill passed and on the ballot. The bills opponents, guess who, are outright lying about the bills purpose, mentioning only the extended term limits. We need help getting this passed, but will we get it? Only time will tell.

[-] 1 points by wickerman (62) 4 months ago

So -1 points for getting off my ass and doing something? Really. I guess I'd have 5 points if I were talking about some unattainable Utopian ideal. There are those of us who are doing, and those who are talking. Those who are doing realize that the end goal is not attainable in a single step. Many of those who are talking have been doing so since 1968 with exactly zero results to show for it. Keep talking, and I keep doing, we'll see who gets something done first.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1429) 4 months ago

Pretty much sums it up right there.

[-] 1 points by wickerman (62) 4 months ago

Working on a state level is still possible. I can and often do talk directly to my legislators. It isn't because I am special, it's just because they are far more accessible on the state level. We tried several times to get a resolution like this passed by citizens petition, but the AG squashed that. Our legislators were able to help us get it on the ballot.