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Forum Post: These Documents Show What an Attempt to Sabotage Obamacare Looks Like

Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 4, 2013, 6:58 a.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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Republicans may have found a new way to undermine Obamacare: By harassing the organizations that are supposed to help people get health insurance.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114570/obamacare-sabotage-watch-house-commmitte-targets-aca-navigators

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If You're Going To Protest Something, At Least Make Sure It Exists Ingenious plan to protest Obamacare totally forgets one small detail.

Ummmm-hmmmm-hahahaha-TWEET-heeeheheheheeeeeee

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

What not to forget when starting a protest. (via @Upworthy) http://www.upworthy.com/if-youre-going-to-protest-something-at-least-make-sure-it-exists-6?g=2

aAHAhahahahahaha my bad heeheheheheeee

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

MUST-SEE: Jon Stewart’s epic takedown of Ted Cruz’s non-filibuster! by BruinKid

Scroll down past the text section if you want to see the videos.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

And not a peep from the local Floridians. I bet within the next couple hours, though, the village idiot comes around to comment.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The libe(R)topian response, has yet to be formulated.

Somehow or another, you know it won't be the fault of the "party" that actually did it.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow10 (-7) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

What's the big deal - the IRS does this all the time. Nothing wrong with knowing if these folks really know what they are doing. Obama doesn't so I would think they don't.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/obamacares-hidden-battle-insurance-agents-push-sta/

As long as we call out every lil' pos that operates like the above. Got it?

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Interesting that Republicans hate this so much, yet elected the Romneycare guy. I have a feeling that if they were in power, they would leave it in there.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

“I cannot think of anything that’s more un-American than national government-run health care,” DeMint said. “Those who believe in those principles of socialism and collectivism we’ve seen over the centuries, they see as their holy grail taking control of the health care system.”-Jim DeMInt.

[-] -3 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

And yet they had no problem passing Medicare Part D a short time ago.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Guess what, Jeremy? We will have that socialist health care system. It's a coming. There isn't a damn thing that you or yours can do to stop it. Nothing. Which kind of brings it down to this: You can't lead. You can't follow. GTFO of the way.

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

It would be a vast improvement over this pile of garbage you are desperately defending for some reason, thats for sure.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Grow the fuck up, lil right wing trash. It's coming. You can't lead, you can't follow, get the fuck out of the way.

You can't stop it.

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You are clearly misguided in whats reality here. Universal is other direction that corporatism mandates go.

You think that by selling out to the insurance companies, its going to get them removed from the equation all together.

Democrat voters were horribly misguided on this.

Instead of hurting the insurance companies, you strengthened them!!

Dont let reality get in the way of your anger though. Let it out.

PS- this entire plan is a right winger dream.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Try again.

[-] -3 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/health/policy/health-care-mandate-was-first-backed-by-conservatives.html?_r=0

Something that is obviously a splurge for insurance companies- Romneycare- is now embraced by those who wanted universal simply because of who backed it.

Wow. Celebrity culture in this country is out of control.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Are there any exceptions to the mandate?

Yes, the government has identified exemptions. Individuals who cannot afford coverage because the cost of premiums exceed 8 percent of their household income or those whose household incomes are below the minimum threshold for filing a tax return are exempt. People experiencing certain hardships, including those who would have been eligible for Medicaid under the health law's new rules but whose states chose not to expand their programs, also are exempt.

Other exempt groups include prisoners, Native Americans eligible for care through the Indian Health Care service, immigrants who are in the country illegally, people whose religion objects to having insurance coverage, members of a health care sharing ministry and individuals who experience a short coverage gap of less than three consecutive months.

CBO estimates that in 2016, after the major provisions of the health law are implemented, 24 million people will be exempted from the mandate's penalties. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/09/how-will-the-obamacare-mandate-impact-you.html

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Exempt from penalty and still without coverage. Great fuckin plan. How kind of them.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (313) 6 minutes ago

Bottom line- You are an adamant defender of Romneycare. haha, holy crap you people are thick.

Congrats. Another dumb voter steps out of the booth.

Looks like your personal security force showed up. Always lurking in the cracks. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Bottom line, Jeremy........you got nothing. You had no argument before. You don't have one now. Until you are willing to analyze your states response, you don't have jack.

Just like education.

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

This is about the mandate and if its moving towards universal or not. Try to stay focused, bottle up that rage for a few more seconds.

You think selling out to the insurance companies is a good idea. Similar to Mitt Romney, and other Republicans during the 90s.

I agree with Obama- circa 08 campaign- its a horrible idea. Insurance companies love mandates.

Only time will tell who was right.

Outta curiosity, do you have health insurance right now?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It will move towards it simply because the insurance companies will not really have a choice.

Self insured.

Further, it's about sabotaging Obama care. Nice try though.

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Your faith in the insurance companies being powerless is a bit naive. They wrote the damn thing for crying out loud. Being against this was one of the main reasons Obama beat HillRod in the 08 primaries.

I guess if you see less corporatism and more socialism in the future, good for you. When you have people defending corporatism in the name of socialism, it doesnt seem likely though.

Like I said, time will tell. Opportunities like 08 dont come around too often though.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (313) 0 minutes ago

Your faith in the insurance companies being powerless is a bit naive. They wrote the damn thing for crying out loud. Being against this was one of the main reasons Obama beat HillRod in the 08 primaries.

I guess if you see less corporatism and more socialism in the future, good for you. When you have people defending corporatism in the name of socialism, it doesnt seem likely though.

Like I said, time will tell. Opportunities like 08 dont come around too often though. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


I don't have any faith in the insurance companies.

I'd like to have faith in you.

What Happens When Goliath Buys David? The Effects of Healthcare Consolidation

FTC v. Phoebe Putney Health System, Inc.

Health Care’s Overlooked Cost Factor

http://occupywallst.org/forum/obamacares-hidden-battle-insurance-agents-push-sta/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What is your states response again?

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Nice deflection.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What is your states response, Jeremy?

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The same as the ones who signed it- no thanks.

Personally, I'd like to see medicare for all.

Back to the last statement before you deflected it off to lala land.

"CBO estimates that in 2016, after the major provisions of the health law are implemented, 24 million people will be exempted from the mandate's penalties."

In three years, you will be about where Romney would like you- still totaly screwed.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (313) 1 minute ago

The same as all the ones who signed it- no thanks. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


You are all about states rights unless it actually using the rights that the states have. Good to know or ........good to hear you repeat it. It certainly is your MO.

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Bottom line- You are an adamant defender of Romneycare. haha, holy crap you people are thick.

Congrats. Another dumb voter steps out of the booth.

Looks like your personal security force showed up. Always lurking in the cracks.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

Not at all. You are the constant deflector.

You have proven incapable of stating your States response and position on much of anything at all.

That's not only deflection, it's enforced ignorance

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You tell me. Did they?

[-] -2 points by cosplay (-29) 1 year ago

Honestly, I can't find out. That's why I asked you. Thought you might know. Bad try on my part.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Libertopia. Reason.com Libertopia.

Try again.

[-] -2 points by cosplay (-29) 1 year ago

Are you saying Sen Wyden didn't try to get Oregon exempted? How about this? Is that better?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/wyden-pushing-for-oregon-_n_701785.html

what about this?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/interior-secretary-nominee-sally-jewell-received-obamacare-waiver-for-rei/article/2520821

Let me guess, it never happened because you don't like the link. Take your blinders off.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yawn. No, cockroach.
Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has a message for all the attorneys general and Republican lawmakers who are threatening lawsuits and claiming that an individual mandate for insurance coverage is unconstitutional: You don't have to abide by it -- just set up your own plan.

The Oregon Democrat isn't inviting opponents to defy the newly-enacted health care law. Instead, he's pointing out a provision in the bill that makes moot the argument over the legality of the individual mandate.

Speaking to the Huffington Post on Tuesday, Wyden discussed -- for one of the first times in public -- legislative language he authored which "allows a state to go out and do its own bill, including having no individual mandate."

It's called the "Empowering States to be Innovative" amendment. And it would, quite literally, give states the right to set up their own health care system -- with or without an individual mandate or, for that matter, with or without a public option -- provided that, as Wyden puts it, "they can meet the coverage requirements of the bill."

"Why don't you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?" the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. "Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?"

The provision actually was taken directly from Wyden's Healthy Americans Act -- the far-more innovative health care reform legislation he authored with Republican co-sponsors. In that bill there is also an individual mandate that would require Americans to purchase insurance coverage. But states that found the mandate objectionable could simply create and insert a new system in its place. All it would require is applying for a waiver from the Department of Health and Human Services, which has a 180-day window to confirm or deny such a waiver.

That language has been inserted, almost verbatim, into the bill Obama signed into law on Tuesday. And if there is any confusion about how much leverage it gives states to drop the mandate, Wyden cleared it up months ago during a hearing at the Senate Finance Committee.

"So let us review how the waiver language works now, because my reading of what we have in the bill now is, if a state can demonstrate that they can meet the criteria -- particularly on cost containment, improving the delivery system -- they can do it without an individual mandate," the senator said at the time. "And can I ask counsel, is that a correct reading of the Waiver Amendment that I offered the chairman has accepted at this point?" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/wyden-health-care-lawsuit_n_511748.html

Don't let the facts get in the way.

[-] -2 points by cosplay (-29) 1 year ago

Did Oregon got the exemption or not, Gil?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Where did the idea of the mandate originate?

The origins of the individual mandate have been controversial. Many Democrats who support the law suggest it was originally a conservative idea developed in 1989 by the Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler to counter liberals' efforts to establish a single payer system and impose a mandate on employers to provide insurance. Several years afterward, Republicans used the individual mandate in a bill they offered as an alternative to Bill Clinton's proposal to overhaul health insurance. The mandate also was incorporated as part of the Massachusetts overhaul of health insurance in 2006 under then-Gov. Mitt Romney.

Democrats later adapted the concept and pushed it as part of the congressional debate over the Affordable Care Act, despite President Barack Obama's initial reluctance to embrace it. Whatever their prior views, most conservatives opposed the health law's version of the mandate, and Butler made a spirited argument that the current mandate is not what he was endorsing years ago. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/09/how-will-the-obamacare-mandate-impact-you.html

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You are defending Romneycare.

The article is correct, it was the opposing view of fixing the system instead of universal.

It was a dumb fuckin idea and a corporations dream then, it was when Romney pushed it through at the state level. and it is now.

I guess the endorser is more important than the product. In America? No way!!

Only in this country could someone take a Mitt Romney plan, and have different people sell it and get support. Gotta give it to Obama, he's a great salesperson.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

What is your states response, again?