Forum Post: The smartest thing the American people can do is get OWS and the tea party together.
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 23, 2011, 6:55 p.m. EST by number2
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This would be an unstoppable combination and would literally represent close to 99% of the people and the corruption in the country would have a fight on their hands. If we focus on our differences rather than our similarities(there are some you know), I don't see change happening. The elites have been quite successful at dividing and conquoring this country. Maybe it's easy to exploit bigotry. I'm personally glad that we are not all clones.
Anyways, I don't know if they are trolls trying to pit us against each other and co-opt the movement or if they just don't get it, yet. But some people start threads here attacking the tea party, which is just bad strategy. And then there's the Ron Lawl missionaries who don't seem to accept differences of opinion. I propose that we let the genuine trolls start these threads and those who are true patriots can help us abolish this left/right nonsense.
I haven't yet talked to anyone at OWS who is supportive of fascism. We take different angles at it but a 99% figure is interested in ending the fascism in this country whether it is in finance, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, defense contracting or politics.
The importance of compromise and joining the 99% is the most important part of the OWS movement. Mutually joining together and finding ideas that we agree on is what will make the difference. If we don't recreate our democracy. Your views will not matter no matter if you are conservative or liberal
It's funny, I don't entirely agree with everything you just said, Rant. If I want to be picky about it. But none of us will get anything we want, if we don't work together.
Right if anybody claims to ever completly agree or disagree with another person I would be scared. Very scared
I agree wholeheartedly. I think that both of the groups are trying to point out injustices. I think that there are also core issues that both the tea party and OWS have (corruption in government and Wall Street, respectively) that they can use to assist each other. I think if they can see that they're seeing two sides of the same coin they can collaborate. I feel the biggest problem right now is that both sides are not willing to listen to the other, for whatever reason. For instance, Fox news has slandered OWS just as MSNBC has belittled the goals of the tea party. It'd be great if we could get the media out of the equation. I don't feel like there is a lack of intellectual substance in either group though, and if a real dialogue can formulate between a few open minded individuals on both sides of the spectrum we can get some real work done. This, of course, can be just as challenging as unifying the parties though too. So, a lot of difficulties to overcome, but I feel this is definitely a good goal to work towards.
Agreed, the Tea Party is just as opposed to Big Government as OWS is opposed to Big Business, so there's a lot to said for combining forces to oppose BOTH Big Government & Big Business at the same time, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo , for this is a small-business-bottom-up approach, not today's big-business-top-down approach, so if agreed, join our group's 20 members committed to that plan at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
I completely agree, it is the best thing that could happen. The major issue (that our votes are pointless as our candidates are already bought by their corporate sponsors) can be agreed upon by all. After we fix this systemic corruption can the smaller issues (as big as they may seem they are mincemeat compared to the very heart of the problem) be worked out. It doesn't matter if one side wants universal health care and the other does not if these very statements of belief and support cannot be translated into actual political currency (ie. votes that mean something)
well said.
I so agree with that
Agreed, if both OWS and the tea party developed effective strategy, which as far as I can tell, they loath, then there would be some serious change.-----
Which brings the question- Why don't they act like they need change? All I see is endless identification of problems. No solution. In fact, on the ground, I've found OWS rejecting solution and they have no reason. Just belief in demand.------
Law and history show that what is needed is an Article 5 convention.
Congress is very afraid of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."
Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Effort to get conferencing on skype http://www.articlevmeeting.info/
Article V conference, Mark Meckler Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-video comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8
Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
Most people view the Tea Terrorists as just that ... Terrorists. The last thing the Occupy movements needs is brain dead/washed conservatives. The few conservatives and Republicans that can still think for them self, They will open their eyes sooner or later and will most likely support the Occupy protests.
Nothing good can come from pandering to the Tea Party.
Nothing good comes of a closed mind. Both the Tea Party and OWS are being unfairly characterized as extremist in one way or another because of the selective hearing of the media/public. I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and I do think I can think for myself. At any rate, I'm still ready to listen.
And that's probably the reason you are here trying to find information for yourself. It's why you may support the Occupy movement.
Again, What the Tea Party was and what it is today are 2 very different things.
me too fiscally conservative, socially liberal
The media will paint the opposers of there corporate master with some brush for Teaparty it was "Tea Terrorists" don't worry they will come up with a name that will damn and diminish OWS soon. They are just taking they're time they want to make sure and get it right but they will stomp you out soon.
They still haven't figured it out yet and i doubt they ever will. You have to understand something before you can make fun of it.
Oh the medias job isn't to make fun. The 1% use the media to controll the sheeple and they will soon diploy the media to stomp out OWS. The 1% controll the minds of the masses via corporate media. I hate it I am behind OWS 100%. But you see it everyday if it wasn't for media mind controll the police would be with OWS not against the police are part of the 99% but media has convinced them that they are not.
this is what I don't understand. You must have connections and benefit from the system.
What do you not understand ? The Tea Party was hijacked by the extremist right Wingers and big business. This is exactly who the Occupy protesters are protesting !
I own myself. No one has hijacked me. You'll be saying the same when they say that OWS is jihadist communist terrorists. Then you have the choice to believe them or not.
The tea and OWS have more in common than not. The minor issues will never be dealt with until the gov/corp merger is addressed.
No they don't. The original Tea party had a lot in common with the Occupy protesters. The Tea Terrorist of today, they are exactly who / what the Occupy protests are fighting against.
That is because they tried to work throught the duopoly, instead of around them. Most of the tea people arent the same has the ones that are portrayed in the media. Same as the Republicans and the Democrats
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thanks