Forum Post: The problem with occupy is...
Posted 11 years ago on June 28, 2012, 7:16 p.m. EST by atki4564
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The problem with occupy is that you constantly speak vaguely of “exploitation” instead of “opportunity” and “duty”. For example, here's an opportunity, and related duty, for you to work 75% less (or have 75% more free time) while also having 75% more luxury (equaling the upper 1%), as follows:
We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:
The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans, plus $10,000 more credit every year) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.
This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small investments (or businesses), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).
Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?
For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 investments (or businesses) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ , and related NextDoor.com; so help us help you, and join today!
You won't understand the above summary unless you read and think about it, repeatedly, the entire new constitution at: https://docs.google.com/a/strategicinternationalsystems.com/document/pub?id=1mKKLMTIyvRCLK2ppPj_GDjdieCvJnATaZaCmlajubWU
I read your opportunity....
It sounds like a ponzi scheme from the movie the Producers.
In order to catch a criminal, like today's communist big banks, and related big businesses and big governments, the cop mirrors the criminal, step-by-step. That's what the above plan does, it mirrors the criminal who is focused on money by taking that money away from him and spreading it out. Today's upper 1% bank & business managers have absolute power. We’re just giving the other 99% the means to have the same power, albeit much more greatly disbursed, for disbursed power can't be dictatorial like it is among today's upper 1% bank investor-officers, and therefore cannot be a "scam (or ponzi scheme)" because so many are being "watchful" in the above chain of command (if you really read the math in your mind). Ponzi schemes can only exist in a dictatorship where the financial statements are hidden, whereas this financially-open direct democracy. If you like being suckered by today’s bank & business dictators, that's okay, for you're not be the first to be suckered by these upper 1% repuglicans, nor will you be the last. My direct democracy democrats will do better -- bank on it -- while overthrowing today's fake democrats too (who are just more repuglicans in disguise). See you in those open-to-audit financial statements -- or perhaps you'd rather remain being a repuglican-stooge or demo-fascist know-nothing. No, then follow me by joining the above site in support for the above new constitution for new times. More importantly, start your own NextDoor.com neighborhood site to create the internet investment legislature needed to implement that new constitution in your town as a new economic, and related political, leader yourself, for as Gandhi said: “You must be the change you wish to create” while thinking -- mathematically.
Do you ever get tired of posting and not getting any responses?
I get plenty of responses, some like you (a wolf), some like birds taking their first flight. You just hate being a hunted wolf, right?
Oooh,I'm a wolf. Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment - I've been called much worse on this site.
Nope. The law (or science) is what it is and you can't change it; you either accept it and execute it, or the upper 1% destroy your prosperity in favor of their own, which is perfectly natural.
That's good. I just didn't want your feelings to be hurt. I've seen this same post on countless threads but no one ever seems to acknowledge it.
As I said, I get plenty of responses, some like you (a wolf), some like birds taking their first flight. You just hate being a hunted wolf, right? Also, since I operate using the law (or science), I have no emotions. Why? Because peace is the absence of emotion and presence of fact, right?
No emotions. What are you a robot? Having no emotions sounds like a sad and boring existence. Besides, peace isn't the presence of fact. There are plenty of facts that don't bring people peace.
When it comes to the law (or science), there is no emotion, only fact. As for "plenty of facts that don't bring peace", that's because you haven't organized your facts, your life, your society, according to the the law (or science).
I agree that there should be no emotion in the hard sciences, but that doesn't mean that the scientist doesn't have emotions. Can't a scientist get excited by what he/she discovers or depressed because they lose their funding? Does the 'fact' that cancer still kills hundreds of thousands of people each year bring you peace? Does the 'fact' that unemployment is at unacceptable levels bring you peace? Does the 'fact' that your yahoo group only has 20 members and you need 49980 more to kick off your plan bring you peace?
Emotion impairs judgment.
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
--SPOCK, Star Trek: The Original Series, "The Ultimate Computer"
Of course not, you're not a robot, without emotions, but when it comes to peace, you must respect the law (or science) without emotion in order to control the robot of your prosperity; otherwise, your emotion impairs your judgment in seeking, and finding, a solution to your individual and collective needs, problems, and goals.
You make me laugh.
If you are only a sharpshooter, then the hunted should be fine haha
You again. They pay you to be a repuglican on this web site, right?
you seemed pretty emotional the other day, though.
do we still have our play date set for monday?
Jk.
True, but you made a threat, so I gave you my address and time to execute your threat. It still stands.
I didnt know suggesting if we were face to face that you would probably be more considerate would be considered a threat of physical violence. Or inspire that kind of defensive attitude.
Pretty emotional there, um....Sergeant?
Where do you usually live? Why the Monday morning only clause?
I had just arrived at the site after a long hiatus and hadn't returned to military thinking which requires that I look at the law (or science) without emotion, for this impairs judgement, and thus only look at mutual analysis of facts. At the time, you were defending a system that violates the law (or science), and I momentarily forgot my training and became bitter, violating my own rule of "no emotion. But, I won't make that mistake again. However, I did immediately apologize; yet, you still too have some hard feelings. Again, sorry, your continued bitterness in reply is a regrettable and momentary lapse of judgement on my part.
I think you just need a better way of pitching people on the idea. It currently reads like some kind of ponzi financial investment scam.
So the basic idea is for people to come together in a community where each person invests $1000 which gives them each $10k in loans which the community uses to launch their own businesses. And the businesses will succeed because all the community members will be your customers.
And since everyone is an equal owner, the income of the town's economy would be equitably shared.
Is this the basic idea?
It seems like it might have potential but that when you start going through the details, you find too many flaws to make it workable.
But more specific, for I am scientist; what specific "flaws" do you see?
One flaw is that you cannot turn $1000 into a $10k loan. Fractional reserve banking means you can only turn $1000 into a $900 loan.
It is a misunderstanding of banking that leads people to believe that you can turn $1k into $10k. You can certainly turn it into $10k in loans on the books of banks by spreading it out over 10 banks. But as soon as someone actually spends any more than $1k of that $10k in loans, the banks would be in default because it does not have the actual money to fund those loans.
It isn't "you can", it's: it DOES "certainly turn it into $10k in loans on the books of banks by spreading it out over 10 banks". Quite a shell game they are playing, right? Anything else?
Does this plan come with a printing press? Because I am having a hard time seeing how you are going to take hard money from people, and give them back even more hard money (assuming they want to touch it to see this is not a scam).
Yes, the Federal Reserve Bank has a "printing press", they call it "quantitative easing", but their "easing" is really just robbery by the government using their hidden tax called "inflation (or debasement)". How to stop them? Have your banks print their own currency (which is perfectly legal) and only use their currency to pay their taxes with it, and thus make them debase themselves instead of us. That's part of it, but that's another area of my specification that's still analyzing the data in order figure out how to defeat the democrat-fascists too, for they have to be attacked financially before going after the repugblicans in step 2 of 2.
The law prevents them from playing that shell game. They cannot loan out any more than $900 of that $1000. And they certainly cannot make good on any more than $1000. They certainly cannot turn $1k into $10k!
Let's say Mark deposits $1k at the bank and the bank loans out $900 to Mary. If Mark tries to spend just a single dollar of his $1000, the bank will no longer be in compliance with the law. They will no longer be meeting their 10% fractional reserve requirement.
If the bank does not get a dollar in actual new deposits, that bank will be shut down as insolvent.
So your plan of turning everyone's $1k deposit into $10k in spendable money won't work.
I'm still analyzing the shell game by backing into it from total interest income & expense using BEA and other data. However, I know it exists from the aggregate data, I just don't know exactly how it works, for it explains the cyclic meltdown in the banking industry every 10 years as they bust the deliberate balloon they created to rob the treasury with yet another banking bailout (1992, 2008, etc). How to use their own scam against them, however, is what I really want to know, but don't know, but I know it exists from what the data says. On the other hand, your analysis is textbook, and appreciated, but it doesn't match reality.
If you are just looking to make money like a banker, just become an investment banker. It is a very difficult field to get into but it is probably much easier than putting together your proposal.
But if you just want a more equitable economy, I think joining all the workers together into a single union and using their bargaining power to then demand fair allocation of the economy's total income is the answer as I elaborate in this post if interested. We could raise the minimum wage to $115k and reduce the work week to 20 hours.
I could care a less about money as I am independent, and you're right, it's a difficult field, for getting people to think about the law (or science) is very difficult in that it is complex, infinitely repeatable, doesn't change, and is always on target, but they don't want to think about the math, the basis of their prosperity. They'd rather let upper 1% managers do all thinking, and if they do, why are they surprised that they get 33% of income and 43% of wealth when they can have the same simply by thinking individually, and then collectively, according to the law (or science).
You're exactly right about the purchasing union; that's what I call becoming a consumption purchasing officer in step 1 of 12 of the business operations forecast in the constitution. It's the most important and first step.
I'll read your post, and reply.
You're one of the few people I've met here so far who actually does think. Thx!
The problem with occupy starts with 9/11 truthers.
One they are gone, you might be able to save it. With them, only embarrassment and shame.