Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: The people that feed this country must get help from the government to feed their families

Posted 10 months ago on Sept. 23, 2013, 11:04 p.m. EST by MyBrothersKeeper (-36)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Does that fall under irony?

29 Comments

29 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

It's called 'disaster capitalism'

Create a problem.

Make people aware of this problem.

Propose a remedy to the problem.

Accept accolades for fixing the problem you created.

[-] 0 points by shooz (18013) 10 months ago

And the folks who make our clothes can't get their minimum wage raised to $100 a month .

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/23/2662681/bangladesh-garment-worker-protests-higher-wages-leave-50-injured/

The irony is that the Koch's are actively trying to remove ANY kind of minimum wage here in the States.

In fact, the States themselves are the focus of their campaign.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

Well, that would be the opposite of progress. Still think we don't need a spokesperson / leader?

[-] 0 points by shooz (18013) 10 months ago

Um, the Koch's have done their dirty work without one.

Or at least any particular one. The SPN has literally 100s of chapters, and ALEC is everywhere..

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

You mention the Kochs a lot. Are you interested in solutions or retribution? Retribution on two rich guys won't fix poverty. They can be easily replaced by the next wealthy person(s) in line. What we have is a fundamental issue with the structuring of our economy that allows the Kochs to do what they do.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 10 months ago

We could make an example of the Kochs then! You Righties love examples or warnings. Heads on pikes to scare off "Others or Offenders or Invaders or Dissenters."

Throw a couple millionaire Employers is prison for hiring cheap undocumented workers! That would chill their rapacious appetite for cheap illegal labor. You righties love to flood a district with money and BS campaign TV to get undesirable politicians thrown out of office ~ to make an example to "Others" who might go against the NRA, or crack down on Big Fossil polluters!

Let's invoke a RICO law and throw a Koch in prison for conspiring to usurp our democratic government! Put the fear of repeated prison rape into the greed-addled few in the 1% who long for the demise of this democracy thing and the born-again Coming Out of Kings and Kingdoms!

Sure, they can be "easily replaced by the next wealthy person(s) in line" who want a cell with a view of Bernie Madoff, and an abusive husband named Bubba. The lines will be around the blocks!

Let's switch retribution with example and status quo with reversal (a solution BTW), and share the favorite 1%-GOP answer to almost every societal problem, PRISON with the 1% bastards who've turned it into a for-profit industry! This could be a learning experience OR another free benefit!

The endlessly possible solutions to 1% tyranny are breathtakingly INSPIRING!

[-] 0 points by shooz (18013) 10 months ago

Where did you get that?

If I'm not mistaken you suggested they are spokes persons.

I pointed out, they are not.

Indeed, in a lot of ways they are figureheads for many more 1%ers invested in the organizations I mentioned.

Those organizations bear a lot of the responsibility for prolonging and worsening poverty, among many other ills.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

And a spokesperson could achieve what, exactly?

Vocalise for the masses?

Isn't that what the internet is all about?

Isn't that why the likes of the Koch boys are trying to (and succeeding) "filter" the internet?

Ever heard of the BRICS nations cable? It can't be installed quick enough, in my book.

Here's hoping the Koch-heads don't find a way to buy into it.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

Take this forum for example. What core issue needs to be addressed? If you could solve or at least focus on one issue, what would it be? Realistically, that's all you get. The greatest changes in this country and throughout history have been one issue at a time. Each issue has taken at least one public figure and a mass of supporters. What is the issue one could glean from this forum? Now take the entire internet as you suggest? Realistically there are thousands of issues to choose from and it would be impossible for any one person to to digest all they need to know about each of these issue and have time for their own life, let alone time to support any of the causes. Same goes for politicians, community organizers. Unfocused and scattered complaints filling the web is hardly a foundation for change of any kind.

[-] 1 points by jemcgloin (63) from Staten Island, NY 10 months ago

There is no time to take on one issue at a time. The economy is self destructing. The environment is under attack. The internet is being changed from a catalyst of freedom to a means of control. And the standard solution for any one problem makes the others worse. Grow the economy by making more stuff and wreck the environment. Make less stuff to save the environment and throw everyone out of work. We need a new paradigm, and to do that the relationships between the issues must be explored, solutions tested, and habits changed. Maybe mainstream media cannot multi task, but the human race must.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

Simple. Limit election campaigns to four weeks (like Australia does) and make politicians declare all of their pecuniary interests on a public website (like Australia does). Failure to disclose all pecuniary interests results in law suits and loss of political position.

The current revolving door from lobbyist to political leader, in the US of A, is criminal.

That's why you've now got criminals controlling your nation.

[-] -1 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

Australia just opened giant new facilities and land to the US military, run by our criminals. I think your core issue has some holes in it. First being that you would need to prevent politicians from benefiting after office. Can you tell someone they cannot hold a private sector job or make investments after office or even a newly imposed term limit? 4 years and they get a permanent retirement package? Otherwise, they do favors for what comes after office. That means Australia still has politicians that are susceptible to corruption.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

Australian politicians are certainly open to the same forms of corruption as those in the US of A. Difference being, our register of pecuniary interests. We do still have control of our court system, unlike in the US of A.

As for granting land to the US military, we are a co-signatory of the ANZUS treaty, so the US is our close ally in all things military. That is not to or mutual gain, but it is to our conjoint protection. It's a catch 22 situation, I'll be the first to admit. Our folly lies in blindly following US foreign policy, but that's not without fiscal gains either.

The whole globalisation of markets is knocking down significant barriers to trade, usually to the benefit of the megacorps, so I fail to see what difference it really makes to nations or borders anyway. When's the last time the US considered forays to South American nations?

[-] -2 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

This still gets us no closer to a core issue. Our conversation has brought many more issues to the fore. If people and the well being of people is the core of all the issue combined, how can poverty not be at the core?

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

You mean the OP?

Do you think that people would actively choose to be cannon fodder, if there were other employment options?

I'm aware of family traditions in military families, but even that tradition must be wearing thin, in light of all the BS surrounding political events lately.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

It's funny how people react when they've lost an argument yet for some reason cannot break from the position they argue. Not really a scripted argument but...

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

I assume most of you aren't religious but I myself am a christian. Something from a movie, before I was sure of my faith, keeps coming back to me. Take it as funny, offensive, however you see fit. I just really like the quote.


The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!

  • Ezekiel
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 months ago

Makes me a bit concerned for how you see your self. I mean yes it is good to give good council and advice. But it seems a bit arrogant to me to proclaim one's self as the guiding force. Sorry - but that is what your comment coupled with your username suggests - to me.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

I guess I could have called myself God, but that really wasn't what I was going for. I am a liberal and a christian because both of those things follow the same moral compass. There is a convolution of intellectualism and atheism among OWS, the media, politics, and the general public at large. In fact, the dismissing of spirituality with no other explanation for consciousness is not something a thinking person does. This behavior is also ironic, IMO.

I'm not being literal in my name or the quote. Just like most of what I post, it only exists to provoke thought. I get tired of hearing the same deadened discussions to our problems. Over and over, both sides of every issue that we face simply repeat the same material, over and over and over, with no end or solutions in sight. This is insanity. So I post to provoke thought. I do it everywhere I go on the web.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 months ago

Edit : Believe me you are no prophet.

Nah - your name choice and quote were premeditated.

[+] -4 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

You give me too much credit. What if it were? Then what? ...suppose I'm crazy? ...dangerous? ...lone wolf? What label would you like me to wear today?

I spent my summer homeless in the mid-west to save my kids from homelessness or worse. The rest of my life has been about as peachy and I just keep truck'n along. It's probably made me a little crazy. I'm probably a bit dangerous, if provoked. I am definitely a loner. I'll wear whatever you've got for me.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 months ago

Save it - not interested.

[-] -3 points by MyBrothersKeeper (-36) 10 months ago

I guess then we'll have to stay on topic. What's the topic for today? You guessed it! POVERTY!

[-] -3 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 10 months ago

Ya, heh, that's what I call slavery.