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Forum Post: The New Populism Conference

Posted 4 years ago on May 15, 2014, 12:54 p.m. EST by 99nproud (2697)
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Be a part of the fight for economic equity.

May 22


Watch it live on https://www.freespeech.org/

"The corporations have concentrated wealth and power, All we have is our voices and our votes"



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[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Look Out Wall Street - The New Populism Is Coming'', by Richard Eskow :

An alternate link (but ironically, from a more 'mainstream' source, lol) and with an alternate font to your posted link above. Also by Richard Eskow ... perhaps also consider the article, thread and links here :

The 99% can't count on anyone but ourselves. Inform. Inspire. Mobilise. Organise. Or become zombies.

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 4 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

We certainly cannot depend on anyone else but US, can't BLAME anyone else without 1st blaming US, and in fact nothing will happen until WE move together in large numbers!!!!

publicly funded elections, wealth redistribution!!!

The time is now!!

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

http://www.popularresistance.org/ ; http://higherednotdebt.org/ ; http://15now.org/ etc. Etc. ETC. & -

https://occupywallst.org/forum/end-fast-food-swindle-fastfoodglobal-day-action/#comment-1032018 !!

Solidarity ''99nproud'' !!! Great moniker !! Nice to see an 'OO' - Original Occupier around these parts !

pax ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Popresistance is a great site

What do you think about this story?


& occupy supported.


[+] -5 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

What did yoU think about it ?!!! ''SCORE'' ?!! For who - The DNC ?! So ''occupy'' = an after thought, eh ?

fallaces sunt rerum species ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

The 99%?. Who I have clearly expressed my dedication.

You keep mentioning parties, I prefer focusing on the substance of issues, & improving the lives of the 99%

because I want to .........:

Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Like OWS, I'm quite clear about a plague on both their houses !!! I don't ''keep mentioning parties'' at all !! U keep seeming to not mention Democrat Party On The Hill & a Dem POTUS culpability in anything !

To ''boldly go'' like 'Star Trek' is all well and good but ''SCORE'' + ''& occupy supported'' .. just sounded parDisan to me & Dems are 1% enablers too but what do I know ? I'm way past my bed time already !

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 4 points by misconceptions (11) 4 years ago

the party of choice is the party of people, of which does not exist. if we dont think we can do it and dont regardless we will stay in the same place like hampsters in the wheel.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Privatization scams.


Don't let anti gov privatization wackos undo public control.

Watch the New Populism conference.


[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

Yes, the 1%-GOP plan is to Privatize every-God-Damn-thing.

That's what we fought (and won) a revolution to abolish!!!

We have a Democracy we have NEGLECTED!!

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Our consumerist, entertainment distracted apathy (bread & circuses) has allowed the corp oligarchs to consolidate their concentrated wealth & power by buying the peoples govt and rigging the system against the 99%.

1980, trickledown fallacies, devastating union losses, wasthe beginning of the end for progress for the 99%

Occupy has joined and reinvigorated the fight against these forces. Progress is once again possible.

All we have is our voices (everywhere & on the street) our wallets, and our votes. We MUST get all people to the polls.


[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

I doubt if this OWS organization with is self-castrated political policy has any effect, but as a transmission/networking facility it has some usefulness.

We have a demand economy!!

Unite and Win!!

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

I will owe to the grave my student

and I supposed have children ?

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

New student loan aid has been instituted.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I didn't mean this little co opted forum when I said "Occupy".

Really, "Occupy" is so many things, good & bad, but in the end their most positive contribution is reinvigorating many progressive people/groups to speak up, fight back, and keep the issues benefiting the 99% up front and moving forward.

This forum should reflect that (doesn't always). I will try to facilitate that for this forum whenever I can.

Not able to be here much.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

You just mentioned parties again!

AND, your criticizing me for not mentioning a party!!!


I really believe it is best to put aside the partisan flame wars and focus on the issues & policies that benefit the 99%.

Let me unload these bits.

New Populistically speaking I mean




That aint partisan is it.?

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

'It's your paRDy and you can cry if you want you'' !!! Now let's go kick some ass on a conservative site sometime !! That's my answer to the internecine squabbling here and call it an 'away day team building exercise' if you like, lol !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I'm not interested in "kicking) ass". Or the partisan flame wars.

Here is a shorter bit on the New Populism.


I rather counter the empty distraction you offer with a push for progressive, populist solutions.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

For some more ''empty distractions'', see :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Great sites. I don't consider them distractions. Distressing, and instructive that you mockingly apply my valid criticism to these sites.

Obviously, NOT the flame wars, partisan personal attacks & "kicking ass" you've taken part in or suggested.

Good luck.

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Hmmm - ''instructive'' was your 'distress' and affected umbrage at my lanuguage, lolol !!! You are better, bigger & bolder than that !! My suggestions re. ''flame wars'' - was an insurgent visitation on Right Wing Sites - as an 'away day team building exercise' but fairy nuff IF that's not your bag ! However, fyi - see :

pax vobis. ...

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Paine is a valuable, important historical example. Thanks again.

Do you think I am an activist? Who cares? Our goals and movement are better served avoiding personal focus.

I think you are an activist. But who cares?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

powell seems to think the economy is a battle field

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Warren Buffet said : “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” - so you are spot on Matt to make that remark re. Lewis Powell and the ''battle field'' strategy outlined in that memo, is being extremely diligently followed to this day. I strongly recommend reading one of these two links, Matt :

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I WAS @ Zuccotti protesting in 2011 (and many other places for years before) for working people,but do not feel special.

And I have mixed feelings fighting for $15 when I want more, but I am one of those who believes in accepting & celebrating all victories while continueing to agitate,agitate, agitate!!!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Neither Washington Nor Moscow''(& rest of that phrase = ''but International Socialism'')

Some Revolutionary Tunes - for you to tap your feet to, stiffen your spine & put a smile on your face !!!

White working class, Anti-Facist, Brits .. singing The Blues [imho] in a Punk Pop stylee !! Enjoy ! ~{:-)

Intermediate Demands for now and $15/hr is a bare minimum position on the journey onward & upward.

pax et lux ...

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

"A revolution without music is a revolution not worth having"

Or somethin like that.


support the little guy & his champions!!!

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Can we have music and not have the revolution?

I like music more than violence.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Non violent, revolution with music... is currently on the floor for a vote.


[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago


I'm all for non violence, but I'm not on board with a socialist revolution.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

What sort of revolution would you be on board with?

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

None. Why is such a thing necessary for people to wake and finally learn how to be nice each other?

Change must occur at the personal level, not at the group level.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Widespread personal change is occurring (the aforementioned revolution) which in turn will result in group level change.

All of which is what we need.

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

"Revolution" is a collectivist term, not individualist term. You want me to change. I want me to change. I don't want to change, unless you want to change.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

"collectivist"? See/define it however you like. hopefully you can support populist concepts like tax reform that relieves the working class of this inequity burden.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Hmmm, lol @ the irony !!! I'll try to get to that Forbes link later !! Solidarity @ you ! AND :

Have you seen this : https://occupywallst.org/forum/plague-liberal-tendencies-occupy/ ?!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I did. Time consuming and not very clear. Lotsa labels (liberal libertarians???? lol), not much on the issues that I (as a liberal) care about. eg: economic inequity

I got the distinct impression that the writer felt liberals were not aggressive enough with the police and too tolerant with participants at GAs.

So I suppose it was a good piece on criticizing whatever group he didn't like amongst OWS.

What did you think of the article?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

the structure of the over view is apparent from the title

anyone that speaks in class system is a classist

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Who is speaking "in class system" as you say? The article writer?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

the middle class squeeze in the title

the title is full of fornds

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Right. Do you think the new populism is a good thing?

[-] 1 points by harborlights (3) 4 years ago

Replying here. I must be mistaken. You just reminded me of someone who thought that if we vote for Democrats that things will be different this time. Basically he tried to tie Occupy into a Gordian knot with the Democrats. In his mind I believe, you could not be an Occupier without firmly supporting the Democrat Party as well...crazy eh?

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I guess you aren't interested in this new populism.

It is truly interesting and potentially impactful in addressing the economic inequities that the 99% suffer under.

If we put aside partisan and/or personal attacks we can focus our attacks on the forces who oppose the agenda the benefits the 99%.

no interest?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago


i wonder why people put up with me

ofcourse they don't hire me

but they are ready with advice

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Advice is free.

that & a token 'll getcha on the subway.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

ya fuck all those assholes that won't work for a living

work makes you free

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Sometimes my posts aren't the most coherant.

Typos, spacin out, 'know.

it just

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

MSN can't complete setences ?

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Well working is ok. living wage would be nice in that regard.

But otherwise

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

double plus

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

~Men in Suits

if we all vote with our name

that vote can be publicly verified

politics will change

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

This was a little interesting


Politics is screwed up. We don't seem much closer to changing things


[-] 0 points by harborlights (3) 4 years ago

VQkag2, is that you?

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

i don't know what you mean by new populism

so no

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Government “Outsourcing”. Privatization is good. (NOT!!!!)

I guess this is what I mean. (#5)

5 Any Government “Outsourcing” Anything

If you examine the claim that private companies are always more efficient than government, the argument starts to fall apart. Just how are companies more efficient?

The first way companies are supposed to be better is cost-savings. But just how do they save money? There are two ways a company can save money over what government spends. The first is to reduce what it pays employees and suppliers. The second is to cut back on the amount or quality of the service the company is taking over.

So let’s say a town decides to “save money” by outsourcing its trash collection. The people who were employed by the city to do this are laid off and things are turned over to the company. Typically the company will hire people at as close to minimum wage as possible and likely with no benefits. It will employ fewer managers and pay them less as well. It will cut back on maintenance of the fleet, and it will try to cut back on the pickup service.

Does this actually save government money? If people with OK public-employee jobs are replaced by lower-paid workers the community is poorer in the aggregate. More people will need public “safety-net” services. There will be foreclosures. Tax revenue drops because of lower pay but also because poorer people can’t spend as much in stores. Sales taxes drop as stores face fewer customers able to get by.

Daphne Greenwood of the University of Colorado did a study of privatization titled, The Decision to Contract Out: Understanding the Full Economic and Social Impacts. The study found that the resulting wage and benefit cuts hurt the community at large, including declining retail sales, greater reliance on public assistance and a larger share of at-risk children in low-income families. On a recent phone call discussing the study Greenwood said that when governments outsource, “the availability of middle-class jobs is affected, even upward mobility.” She said, “Contracting to private corps usually means big reductions in worker benefits and benefits,” and “lower wages often mean a shift to less experienced employees.”

In addition, she said, “There are more workers and retirees who end up on public assistance, which means more children in poverty so local schools are dealing with more problems.”

Janice Fine of Rutgers University has also done a study, Overlooking Oversight: A Lack of Oversight in the Garden State is Placing New Jersey Assets and Residents at Risk. She looked at outsourcing in New Jersey and found that a “stunning lack” of government oversight of contractors caused problems for Hurricane Sandy victims as well as greater risk for vulnerable children – and millions in wasted tax dollars in New Jersey.

On the same call as Greenwood, Fine said she found, “a stunning lack of government oversight of contractors,” and that, “oversight shouldn’t be set aside because of cost, it should be an essential part of outsourcing.”

Time To Reassess

Government outsourcing, also known as privatization, has been going on for decades, and now governments are reassessing whether turning public property and services over to private companies has really been a good idea. Story after story has appeared detailing horror stories of corruption, incompetence and general scamming by companies interested only in profit. Molly Ball reported recently in The Privatization Backlash in the Atlantic, “In states and cities across the country, lawmakers are expressing new skepticism about privatization, imposing new conditions on government contracting, and demanding more oversight. Laws to rein in contractors have been introduced in 18 states this year, and three—Maryland, Oregon and Nebraska—have passed legislation, according to In the Public Interest, a group that advocates what it calls ‘responsible contracting.’”

Other Horror Stories

A report by In the Public Interest titled “Out of Control: The Coast-to-Coast Failures of Outsourcing Public Services to For-Profit Corporations,” highlights several other horror stories that happen when local and state governments privatize public functions to private companies. The report begins,

“Eager for quick cash, state and local governments across America have for decades handed over control of critical public services and assets to corporations that promise to handle them better, faster and cheaper. Unfortunately for taxpayers, not only has outsourcing these services failed to keep this promise, but too often it undermines transparency, accountability, shared prosperity and competition – the underpinnings of democracy itself.”

The next time someone tells you private companies are always “more efficient” than government, tell them the facts are against them. It has been tried and it didn’t work.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

the argument that greed is what is necessary to organize efficiency is mis-targetted

people like to solve problems for the sake of solving them

a material motivation mis-guilds the solutions found

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Truthfully, I could subscribe to much of it and could understand why he was angry about 'liberals' not being militant enough and far too accommodating to ''The Establishment'' and compliant with the 1% D&R agenda, with li'l or no identifying The 0.01% Parasite Class .. but food and duties call right now.


vale ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Anger @ me cause I'm liberal ain't new. fair minded people will not generalize or judge based on labels.

I support non violent, peaceful protest on the streets. When I look back I am most impressed with those who stood peacefully against brutality. As so many did to secure voting rights for instance

It is counterproductive to argue for the less potent escalation of more militance or more aggression.

Of course even debating tactics seems unproductive. For me I simply say do everything short of violence. All peaceful tactics are acceptable to me,

The debate about GA behavior?, boring, beaten to death. irrelevant to the continued growing success of populist, progressive, LIBERAL ideas in the national/planetary conversation.

And really please keep your D&R, and even all the labels (if it is possible)

I prefer to focus on specific issues that will help the 99% as often as possible.

I certainly want to avoid the flame wars.

Enjoy your food

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Nothing wrong with being ''liberal'' - just that sometimes it doesn't quite feel like enough, does it ?! I was not ''angry @'' at you at all lol !! However, I do usually reserve my fair mindedness, predominantly for the bottom 80% but I'll try my best to expand it another 19% !!!

I too support non-violence. Not because I am some idealistic pacifist because I am easily capable of violence in self-defence but more because violence almost always plays into the hands of The 0.01% Parasite Class, their 1% lackeys and their para-military goons. In short it is very bad tactics and non-violence is the higher route but OWS did get physically brutalised all over The US too don't forget. In short it is totally a numbers game & they, the 1% know it !!

Tactics are important and of course the 'Consensus Model' at GAs was - well, a learning curve for the future and yes ... ''All peaceful tactics are acceptable to me'' too. 'Class' is the basis of most political analysis - whether we accept or see it or not. Essentially IF we work or need to work or would like to work in order to maintain ourselves and pay our bills .. then we are 'working class'. 'Middle class' is a specifically constructed bourgeois affectation ... pointedly designed to pander to the conceits & base prejudices of snobs and to keep The 99% divided & ruled !

It is very far from my ''D&R'' labels lolol but MSM-BS seems to have convinced a whole lot of people that these are the only two options available. For sure ''specific issues'' are very important but an overarching narrative against Neoliberalism at home & Neocon Empire abroad and seeing Crapitalism and Militarism for what they are and how deeply connected they are .. requires people to join the dots in order to affect real and lasting change. I'm with Chomsky, when he says that real societal change can be made in one generation .. ie. 20-25 years but for sure this requires a longer view than just 1, 2, 3 or 4 election cycles.

Finally, now sated by food and a joint or not - flame wars against 'reactionaries' and parDisans is both inevitable and necessary if the agon is going to play out properly. Call it 'creative tension' if you like ;-)

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

"parDisans"?? So you are against liberals and "D"ems?

I suppose you're allowed. More power to you.

I do not think you have to flame out on me though. Hopefully. Even if I don't agree we should expend an ounce of energy going after "liberals" because they didn't challenge our quasi military police.


And I really can't get excited about past GA process, Sorry.

Flame on boss

(but keep it with someone else)

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Again 'old timer' - I'm NOT ''against liberals and ''D''ems'' .. it's just that it is quite clear that they aren't enough, imo. Blow Job Bill (NAFTA ; repeal of Glass Steagall ; pandering to Wall Street Bankers etc) and Obomber (TPP ; No Post-'08 GFC Wall Street Prosecutions ; Gitmo ; Drone Wars etc.) says that while Empire Abroad & Austerity at home rolls on - then I have at least a prima facie case. Also see :

fiat lux, fiat justitia, fiat pax ...

[EDIT : Re. the 1st rather revealing, reactive response below : https://occupywallst.org/article/end-fast-food-swindle-fastfoodglobal-day-action/#comment-1032089 and perhaps stick to the last link above,lol]

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

End tax shelters, loopholes for the oligarchs & big corps!



[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

great articles on our Africa adventures. More music. Lovely.

Here's an issue we might agree on.



[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Holy $%#@! Slow down. I'm not interested in your childish partisan attacks!f

I already told you that.

Please keep your partisan flame wars away from me.


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''The ‘Occupy’ movement takes a stand against this self-destructive mindset, but any movement depends on publicity, and corporate-owned media will not attend to causes that don’t serve its interests. Social media may be the last tool available, but corporations have not ignored its dollar value, or the potential impact it could have if ‘we the people’ are allowed to control it. Net neutrality, the principle that every website, service and app is treated the same by the Internet service provider, has drawn the attention of those who seek to enrich their own, already-bulging coffers. Under new proposals by the U.S. government, websites would get service dependent on what they are willing to pay for it. Once again, the small, independent entrepreneur is at the mercy of the corporate competitor, and, in most cases, has no chance of success.''

''So, this is life today in the much-vaunted ‘land of opportunity’. If one is already wealthy, opportunity abounds. However, for the 99% that aren’t, scrambling to make ends meet may be the best one can do.'' from :

You're a li'l less cranky than when you woke up first thing this morning with that first pre-breakfast reply at me above, lol.

http://www.popularresistance.org/ is a simply excellent site. We probably agree on many issues but have different approaches and political beliefs possibly BUT we also probably get that there are many roads to the same or similar destinations and that it may take many huskies to pull The 99% Sledge.

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I don't know what we agree on but I know we disagree on attacking liberals and Dems.

It ain't easy for me to avoid partisanship but I will make an extra effort.

Don't know why you gotta call me cranky, guess you think that is cute & acceptable. I wasn't, & I ain't.


[+] -4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Are you a tad bi-polar ?! I have a whole bunch of grey boxes showing replies from you on this and other threads that seem to be requesting my attention !! That really was my honest and genuine attempt at a friendly and collegiate reply just earlier but if you think that you're too sensitive for my responses then I suggest you not engage me on this forum .. especially IF ''it ain't easy for you to avoid'' parDisanship !!!

Liberals and Democrats have allowed too much to happen without a whimper and further to my previous links above, I append this in compliment - though I may have done so elsewhere already but it is rather important imo :

fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

New populism on immigration?


I'm not "cranky", nor "bi polar" nor "too sensitive". No need for me to avoid engagement.

The name calling simply illustrates an inability to keep the discussion honest & substantive.

The excessive partisanship frequently reflects a weakness in position, but I can't say that about you cause I don't know you.

In either case it is irrelevant. Name calling and destructive partisanship are only distractions from the substance, and only effective on weak minded people.


[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

You're an idoit shadey all anybody has to do to get your attention is attck the GOP, you GOP loving SoS

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

We're not broke! We've been robbed!!


End Austerity! Tax the 1%

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Please read ''The Powell Memo'': http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/ !!! Very Urgently !!

Your link didn't open for me but for sure ''End Austerity! Tax the 1%'' & reveal the 0.01% Parasite Class !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Read it. Great historical background that corroborates my existing beliefs.


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''The trajectory of compound growth shows that the scouring of the planet has only just begun. As the volume of the global economy expands, everywhere that contains something concentrated, unusual, precious will be sought out and exploited, its resources extracted and dispersed, the world’s diverse and differentiated marvels reduced to the same grey stubble.'' from :

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Doesn't represent a very positive or hopeful future huh?

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

No, it doesn't ! You read that quickly !! Wherever we are .. we all need to treat it as a salutary warning !!!

Change - deep and lasting societal change IS both desirable & possible IF we put mankind over money ; nature over narcissism ; people over profit & wages over war. It's an info battle & here is a puzzle piece :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I think there is widespread support amongst the people for cutting the defense budget.

Doing so of course would allow for great investments in people (Who said V.A.?) and country.

We MUST refocus our approach to foreign policy from bombing 1st, to diplomacy, with last resort military only with regional POPULAR support/involvement.

Good article.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''We MUST refocus our approach to foreign policy from bombing 1st, to diplomacy, with last resort military'' - right !!! I twinkled you but interesting that you'd been stinkled !! In compliment, I append :

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

We both know the score is irrelevant.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Yes I agree, scores are irrelevant !!! And that ONLY The Information matters !! However, apparently NOT everyone here thinks the same about points ! Eg. consider if it's not too boring - which it may be lol, this

  • https://occupywallst.org/forum/wtf-iv-or-global-warming-and-the-heartland-institu/#comment-1031841 where my now 'removed' reply to shooz, read :

  • ''Points do matter, they always did'' ... really ?!!!! So how come that the points of posters like Builder, flip and MattLHolck have been frozen ?!!! Banning such long time Occupiers - both on the street and on this forum - like Odin and hchc has served what purpose other than irritating them, making them cranky and forcing them to adopt new monikers .. an act for which they are further criticised, ridiculed and vilified ?!! IF their arguments are b-s .. then let them be exposed for what they are in open debate ... what are you scared of and who is actually responsible for the ''manipulation'' here ?! Time for some reflection maybe. And fyi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDtSSFEZY38 [17:47m] - Tom Hartmann @ TEDx ~ ad iudicium ... [EDIT : Did you really think shadow banning the first posting of this comment was going to withstand discovery ?! ''It's a clear sign of manipulation'' I think ... ]

fallaces sunt rerum species ....

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

What are you talkin about.?

Consider this ON topic New Populist talk


Fighting for this progress is A good reason to be here

What are you here for? The points?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Hmmm, inter alia - I'm here to expose hypocrisy and lay down information for The 99% !!! I am NOT shilling for any Co-opted Mainstream Political Party in USUK !! ONLY The 99% matter, ultimately !

I really don't like people being treated unfairly on this forum or in 'real world' and I would also consider it rather rude to ask a question that one isn't prepared to answer oneself - ergo .. wtf are YOU - here for ?

fiat lux ...

EDIT : Re. below .. are you feeling 'personally attacked' ?!!! OR are you internalising anything that I may say re Dem Party Pols & Machine On The Hill ?!! Interesting too .. is your 'attempt to moderate' others !

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

I read your article already. Posting the same article repeatedly as some cover for your constant personal attacks fools no one.

I have only posted current, updates to occupy supported issues, and/or actions to further the cause of the 99%.

And attempted to moderate you and your friends partisan flame wars in the process.

How'm I doin'?

[-] -2 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

time to educate yourself about money - this is Stephanie kelton quoting lerner - if you have some intelligence it should be all you need to know - if you need more direction let me know - but "the wise boldly pick up a truth when they hear it - be quick or you will lose your head!" - (c. 17:12) “Abba Lerner was an economist, a contemporary of John Maynard Keynes. He saw this very clearly. He said:

“‘By virtue of the power to create or destroy money by fiat and its power to take money away from people through taxation, [the State] is in a position to keep the rate of spending in the economy at the level required [for full employment].’

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Lerner is a marvelous liberal economist. I'm sure I could learn much from his writings.

Of course in the meantime I repeat.:

We AIN'T broke!!! End austerity, tax the 1%, invest in the people!


[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago


[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Aiight 'den!

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

The New Populism, Does Occupy support?



[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

OMG !!! I'm a link clicker ok but 9 hours of radio !! Seriously ?!

paz y luz ...

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

HA! Sorry. I just left it runnin in the background for awhile.

Here's somethin more digestible.



[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

People NOT Corporations ... and humility not hubris ?

From your truth-out.org link : “Trying to go dollar for dollar with these Republicans is a losing strategy,” Ellison argued in the interview with Truthout’s Sam Knight. “I’m not saying that money’s irrelevant. What I’m saying is we’ve made it too important.”

“We’ve got to break the mold of sitting in these cubicles all day asking people for millions of dollars. We’ve got to get out in the street and talk to the people,” he said. “That is the road to success.”

''Low midterm turnout of Democratic base voters is “killing us,” Ellison said, and the way to address that is “issue-based campaigning” around such issues as minimum wage increases, immigration reform, equal pay and mandated paid sick leave.

“That will get voters to say, ‘Oh okay, if that’s what you’re talking about, I’ll show up,’ ” he said ...

“But if it’s just ‘Come vote’ – it’s like, for what?”


With reference to my comment & reply to you re. Chomsky (2nd link above), I'd appreciate a response from you in due course but any repetition of faux ''sock pup'' accusations - will result in my trawling the forum archives for clear evidence of such nefarious behaviour on the part of one 'VQuack' - if not you !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Sounds like you are either arguing for increasing voter turnout,


Or maybe just another tired attack on Dems?


You haven't mentioned the other parties voter turnout history, heres some:


And just to keep this related to the New Populism thread:


Deep isn't it?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

You can't mandate voting without changing the law but of course I want higher voter turnouts and I am myself in favour of mandated voting .. like in Australia, inter alia - and the fact that it would make Paul Weyrich spin wildly in his grave is absolutely a huge bonus too. lolol !

However, no one can be forced to vote FOR anyone and thus there must also be a 'non of the above' option and even a blank box provided for any popular 'write in' option !!

Democracy is actually far, far too precious not to keep working at it !!!

What The US 99% really need is more people like Alan Grayson ; Bernie Sanders ; Cynthia McKinney ; Dennis Kucinich ; Elizabeth Warren & Kshama Sawant, to vote for .. NOT 0.01% Patricians like Gore or Neocon 1%er, Bankster Lickspittles and Slick Class Traitors like Hitlary Clinton and Bollocks Obomber.

I don't 'tire of attacks' on Dem Pols as I see them as they are & I'll try to look 'deeper' at your links later.

Again re. 'usurpation of democracy' in the USA, see : http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/

de profundis ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Glad you support mandatory voting (obviously the law must change)

Higher turnout is what the corp oligarchs fear the most.

I agree with the need for more Graysons & Sanders etc,

I don't particularly see the need for the one sided partisan attacks.

But you've never been shy about your partisan bashing.


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

I'm NOT ''one sided'' about any paR-Disan attacks lolol !!! It's just that here, Repugnants are shy on the ground and undermining that with li'l foundation is like shooting fish in a barrel !! Maybe you should find us some Repugnant web-sites and we should decamp there en masse - and go play merry havoc there and come back here and chuckle ! Furthermore, for more info into The Kochtopuss, perhaps consider :

pax ...

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

You request a place to flamewar?

I can't keep repeating the same thing.

Please stick to substance.

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''After Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) gave her rousing speech at the New Populism Conference, Thursday, she, of course, was asked if she was going to run for President. (The crowd was chanting “Run, Elizabeth, Run!”). Warren replied, “I am not running for president,” which prompted one hopeful progressive to tweet, “Interesting choice of tense.”

''Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) also talked about the enormous amount of money the billionaire Koch brothers and others have put into right-wing politics and other efforts to push right-wing ideas.

''Finally, Rev. William Barber II gave a moral vision, talking about a “fusion” movement of black, white and all types of people coming together to fight for the things regular people need. “The movement is about the moral fabric of our society,” he said, and “I don’t want people to go left or right, I want them to go deeper into who we are called to be.” From :

per aspera ad astra ...


[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

New populism conference listen live


you always have such great links.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

It's 'The 99% Information Function' that interests me ! Ergo, I live to link lol !! Thanx for your kind words ! However your link kind of confused me and I can't navigate that site too well nor it is easy on the eye or intuitive to me. Sorry.

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

No need to apologize.

The thom Hartman video on the other hand was easy peezy, just sit back and listen.

Love it!!!! Of course I've listened to (or read) many (& this one) of his talks.

Do you wanna comment on the substance of what he is talkin about?

If so, have at it.

If not, thx

[+] -5 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

How about letting Thom Hartmann say what he'd have liked to add to that TEDx Talk ?! See the last few minutes here and the TEDx Talk is also embedded there tho' I'll recommend the whole show to you too.

I don't want to comment any more than what Hartmann says as I agree with him and learnt a lot there but you can ''have at it'' yet if you like lol. Now just how come there is really so li'l like this on US TV ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

US tv is a product of corp control of media and a distracted consumerist culture. Much like the rest of the west.

Russian TV ain't no better,

Of course I see Hartman and many others as frequently as I like.

So let me get this straight, you wanna comment on the US tv situation but not on the substance of your video.?

No prob, thx

Cogito, ergo doleo

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

We all hear what we want to hear, no doubt !!! What was there to comment re. Thom Hartmann's video for left / liberal / progressives ?!! I don't know about you but I learnt some history and learnt some new stuff and joined up dots with stuff I thought I knew about & concur with what was said and then added what TH'd liked to have added as per the link to his 'The Big Picture Show' on RT ! + For the record :

nihil illegitimi carborundum ...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

Say more, it's more effective. Links (I use them too) are cold.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Agreed, In a rush, many issues/info to post,

Poor excuse, but still tryin to be better.


[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

Occupy supports New populism.


You can't have one with out the other

"the power of the people,is greater than the people in power!!!"

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22871) 4 years ago

Actually, our most deep rooted problem is capitalism. All of these other problems, like increasing poverty and the middle class squeeze and the loss of privacy etc, develop straight from capitalism and it's never ending march to aggrandize corporations.

Here's a link to sff's thread where capitalism is explained very well:


[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

True dat

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 years ago

for your amusement.


Rovian humour, too funny.