Forum Post: The NeverEnding War on Terror
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 13, 2012, 9:23 a.m. EST by hchc
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Who the fuck didnt see this coming? Decades of us fucking with them over there.
Most people dont even realize we were the ones that drew up their country borders after WWII.
I am so shocked that people didnt enjoy our bombing campaigns in Libya and Yemen. Iraq is still a fuckin war zone, bombs everyday and we have over 15k contractors over there still.
Afghanistan is a fuckin mess, and Pakistani people surely wish we would stop attacking them.
Thats all we do is go around fuckin things up. And what are the benefits, because the policy hasnt changed ever. So what are the reasons for out current involvement in the ME.
I have my own assumptions. What's yours?
Many of us have witnessed America's insatiable appetite for nation building for many many years. Americans are quite arrogant and assume that every other culture wants to adopt our narcissistic lifestyle. WRONG.
Anyone read this editorial today in the Guardian? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/distrust-us-middle-east-poll?newsfeed=true
Shocking eh? Saying we are your friend while blowing you up doesnt work so well....
I guess we should just bomb harder?
American culture reminds me of the Romans and we know what happened to them, eh? Bullying has become a trendy sport in this country and this works well for the big competing corps. It's as if our government and corporate America are training citizens to be gladiator warriors for their dog eat dog economy. I don't agree with this mindset and never have. I just know that many people around the world are fed up with it as well as many Americans who have left the country to live in a more moral and upstanding country. Speaking of morality...isn't it interesting that the ' moral majority' are the most violent folks of all? I don't think this is a coincidence either but I do find it odd that many Christians and moral right wingers believe that their savior would agree with their behavior.
Why is that odd?
I don't recall a time when Jesus ever bullied anyone or agreed with violence and war. I'm not a Bible scholar but my KJV doesn't agree with those things. Maybe they use the NRA's version of the Word???? Just a thought.
If we're going to talk about the character in the Christan scriptures, even in the NRA version that character is a religious Jewish character who strongly supports the keeping of the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20, Luke 16:17) which of course means that the character supports slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46, Deuteronomy 20:10-11), opposes freedom of religion (Exodus 34:13-14) and the separation of church and state (Deuteronomy 17:18-20), not to mention lethal opposition to male homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13).
As the Mashiach/Xristos, the character supports his own monarchy (Deuteronomy 17:15, Matthew 27:11), opposition to those who don't accept him (Matthew 10:34-37), nationalist ethnic discrimination (Matthew 10:5-6, 15:21-28) in contrast to the example provided in his own parable (Luke 10:25-37), and even violence against legal, socially sanctioned, peacefull business (Mark 11:15-16, John 2:13-16), as well as war (Deuteronomy 20:10-15) and divinely claimed commands of genocide for the cause of land acquisition (Deuteronomy 20:16-18).
It seems that many Christians have always agreed with their savior's behavior whenever it suited them. Like people in any religion, when they don't have social power, they focus on peace and any violent aspects of their religion are downplayed but when they do have social power, it's onward Christian soldiers and the focus on any violent aspects that happen to suit them.
Heard someone reminding someone the other day that after ROme fell, came the dark ages.
Read this: http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-empire/reason-why-the-roman-empire-fell.htm - there's an eeery similarity here.
Similar? I would say spot on :)
Egypt no longer an ally - says Barack Obama
New terrorist groups declared on the terrorist hit list in Pakistan
Yemeni uprisings taking place and older groups still growing.
Suicide bombings still in Afghanistan after they just shot down a NATO helicopter....
Talks about going into Syria because "chemical weapons" even though "the war in Iraq was wrong"
Sanctioning and surrounding Iran with warships because of "WMD's"
And VQ just told me the other day the war on terror was almost over.
for every 1 bad guy we kill 5 innocents are killed, 5 new terrorists created.
we should get out of the middle east. We don't like nobody coming to our country and bombing.
wow that logic is so flawed i dont know where to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
im sorry i dont buy the if we leave them alone they will leave us alone theory.
Super powers of the world should be fostering, advocating and preserving peace among nations. Super powers should be stewards of what is moral, fair and just for all. War should never be used as an instrument of intimidation- it should only be used as a last resort and as a defense strategy against a real threat- not imagined threats by bored and greedy power-hungry leaders. America has blatantly disobeyed the anti-nuclear proliferation treaty. It's no less than bullying to tell Iran they can't have any nuclear weapons WHILE we are building them in California. How rude and arrogant is that and we expect the world to respect us?
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exactly but i think the logic they thought would work was attack the smaller ones (countries that want to attack us) and then they wouldnt have to attack the larger ones.
We were not attacked by any country.
It seems there are a lot of angry people there.
Ehh, it's all subterfuge. The middle east is of no real concern; we've already moved much of our focus (and our ships) to the Pacific - truth.
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Says the guy who supports bombing a bunch of countries.
Obama is continuing the war on terror with every single drone strike he approves.
You say republican war mongering and leave out the fact that AUMF was passed with bipartisan support and democrats and republicans both supported the war in Afghanistan.... and you're leaving out Obama increased this war when he took office... which lead to 2010 which was the highest civilian death rate in Afghanistan.
He is continuing the war on terror every time he signs off on the Patriot Act and FISA bill provisions.
He is continuing it every time his administration ads another person to their kill list.
Fuck the republicans... but to even suggest this president doesn't approve of any aspect of these wars, flies a middle finger in the face of logic.
Trevor , it's not like you to attack posters
People can only take so much heckling...
Obama hasn't addressed the horrors of wars
Because, as many on this forum so proudly display, attacking the people you dont vote for is more important than holding the ones you do vote for accountable.
It leads to zero accountablity on each side, while they wine and dine with each other.
killing the Republican Party is the most important thing of all,
(the rest is mostly whining, with an occasional decent point)
Wow, That is some Truth.
Nicely put. That is a big reason we have let things get as bad as they have.
somebody to blame
most blame Obama
well said hchc, i disagree with you 98 to 99% of the time but you are right on the money with this single post.
did you see the gleam in Romney's eye when he saw what he thought was a weakness, he was tickled pink that people had died
The forum mascot? Thats what he does....disrupts and defends Congress and whoever is in the Whitehouse.
I am against the drone bombings. I've told you that repeatedly. You spread lies about me because you have no honor. You can't stand the truth because your arguments can't standup to the truth.
You aren't anti war you are anti Obama. This war on terror is a repub created problem that we are slowly undoing. You can't stand that truth so you slander this Pres with your partisan political campaign attacks.
Dishonest, & without honor.
and NATO bombing and Navy Shelling
What about assassinating decent innocent American diplomats? Peacemakers! You don't have any objection to that?
I object to killing anyone
Oh I guess you just forgot to mention it.
apparently not
Apparently so. I had to mention it before you said anything. You did remember to complain about NATO and the US navy 'sok I understand. Ain't no thing. I am with you on ending the drone/nato/navy bombings. I don't think they did it though.
I think it was AlQaeda. I'm againstthem 1st of all. As a New Yorker y'know..
I am a US citizen and responsible for the actions of my country
Me too. I'm also responsible for supporting my country when it is attacked.
the attack is over
Not that I can see. Religious extremists clashing with security forces, so clearly people are being hurt, maybe killed. No Americans.
I'm watching it live right now in Egypt. Algiers, Tunisia, Iran, Yemen also have Americans under seige. Right NOW!
What are you talkin about?
oh, is anyone getting killed?
Very significant post and points. 'P.N.A.C.' anyone ?
verbum satis sapienti ...
"The Great Islamophobic Crusade", by Max Blumenthal :
"Inside the Bizarre Cabal of Secretive Donors, Demagogic Bloggers, Pseudo-Scholars, European Neo-Fascists, Violent Israeli Settlers and Republican Presidential Hopefuls Behind the Crusade."
e tenebris, lux ...
The same as always; control. You can't have a global empire if you can't control the conquered masses.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/monopolizing-war-what-america-knows-how-to-do-best/
You and Romney both making hay from people dying, nothing surprising there.
I dont endorse either side of this disasterous, tyrannical government.
But I bet youuuuuuu doooooooo.....
It's all about controlling the world's key resources, and it is also our last gasp effort to hold onto and expand Empire.
I had a friend who likened it to a heavyweight champ taking big haymakers while he is obviously on his way down.
That's a good analogy. The other one is the Fall of The Roman Empire.
Time for some good old isolationism. We can't get our own house in order.
we import a good deal of oil
We don't have to. We only import any oil for purely political purposes.
On what do you base that amusing assertion?
We have enough of our own oil in North America. But at present you liberals won't allow the drilling. You liberals insist on depending on foreign oil.
This video is from T Boone Pickens, He is a Republican http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yygLKLy2QM Drilling is at an all time high. http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/02/number-drilling-rigs-us-oil-fields-has-quadrupled-under-obama-and-domestic-oil-product
almost everyone drives
the world is much to small for isolationism, if people think your weak they fuck with you. The only answer is for everyone to know your not weak.
Oh, now I see why we were attacked under bush's term. The Weak president we had.
You can not be weak and not have to involve yourself in every Third World shit hole in the world.
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Hey, Obama has it under control - he is more in tune with what's going over there and he knows how to handle it - he just needs more time.