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Forum Post: The Masses Are Asses

Posted 2 years ago on April 16, 2012, 5:36 p.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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This is what happens to movements that are deemed a threat. The media puts it in a L or R corner, gets the other to attack it, and the other 95% of the people in this country that dont care, just make their opinions based on what the TV says.

Then you have forums like this one. Full of great talk when it got going. Then the political hacks come out of the woodwork, fuck it all up. If someone just logged in here for the first time, the only thing they would see is a bunch of pro-Obama hacks that are

A) happy to keep playing the establishment games B)fine with voting for one of two warmongering parties C) have no desire to do anything different, just want to post on the internet

And that, my friends, is not a good representation of Occupy is about. Occupy discusses things from all angles. Occupy understands that we, ourselves, are partly to blame for this mess. Occupy understands that rampant apathy is a major enemy to change.

And last but not least, Occupy understands that all those that havent been assume that we are all just a bunch of Obama cheerleaders, and Im not sure about the rest of you....but....

That shit really pisses me off! How the hell could I be fed up and ready to fight, and then endorse the Duopoly in the same breath?

So I plead to everyone who is new to this site, please take it with a grain of salt. And then go visit your local site. That is where the real action takes place, at the local levels. Please go visit with an open mind, and find out where you fit in. There is room for all types.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Hchc? How in the World do expect to gain the public's support for this movement by calling the 99% asses?

Have you gone door to door in your neighborhood and informed them what you think of them?

This is not the first time you've posted a thread of this nature.

I can't think of a better way to gain negative support, than thinking of potential supporters as asses.

Do you carry a sign of nature?

It is absolutely divisive!!!

[-] 2 points by Pidge (18) 2 years ago

I do hope you guys realize that a lot of the anti-Obama rhetoric in here is not generated by OWS, but by Teapublicans trying to manipulate your vote. I fully understand the disappointment in Obama, but I sure as hell have no intention of turning the reins over to Romney/Christie/Rubio, or whomever they nominate from the right. Young people sat out the election in protest in '68 as well, and we got Nixon because of it. Work to change the system as you are, but be intelligent, not reactionary. Thanks.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

McGovern took one state, he didn't stand a chance, even with the young vote. I still voted for him.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Thanks for the note of sanity. You are exactly right, these guys are Republican opperatives. There is no other way to explain their sneering, conspiratorial tone.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

No one said sit it out. We are saying grow up and start voting for something besides D and R.

Otherwise you can expect more shit. Vote for corruption, or vote for someone who matters.

The choice is yours. This whole "better not let the other side thing" is what govs have been using for a long time. Keep the people divided.

When enough people see that, we will get change. Be the change.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I'm starting to see it from your point-of-view, hc. I saw the heated debates on here last night. I've been going back and forth with this problem since late last year (haven't voted in years); voting R or D is just going through the same b.s. all over again. "The definition of insanity is . . . " I figure Obama's a shoe-in anyway, so why play that game? A vote for anyone but R or D may seem futile to some, but consider: If enough OWSers voted third party, it would at least send a message that we're tired of the same old RD bullshit. Occupy isn't going to sway the '12 election, there's not enough time. Plan for 2016. Think how organized we could be by then.

Personally, I'm thinking of voting for the Occupy candidate to show exactly where I stand. I haven't checked his website out yet, so don't be too hard on me.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Its all good, man. Like Ghandi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world"...

Im guessing he probably didn'tcurse as much as I do though :^)

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

1869 to 1948. He doesn't do anything anymore.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

And not just national elections, but state, city, village, and county elections (although by 2016 the economy is probably back on track, apathy and complacency sets in again, etc.). This isn't like fighting for civil rights or a withdrawal from Vietnam. Fighting for radical economic change is only appealing to most people while the economy is sucking wind.

[-] 2 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I often think the republicans and democrats split on issues is about creating close races. What happens when the races aren't close anymore? A party has to reform itself from with in order to capture enough votes to still be relevant as a party.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

It is indeed a complex problem. It's almost a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation, at least right now.

I almost didn't post my opinion on this because it's such a heated subject. But it is a worthy debate.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

in 2000 it sent Bush to the White house, I guess it just all depends if you want to take action or sit on the sidelines

[-] 2 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

"Plan for 2016. Think how organized we could be by then."

Yes, that's the plan. Although I want a test-run in 2014 to get some of the cobwebs out of Congress as well.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

A test-run is a good way to put it. And, yeah, we must fix Congress as well. That's probably more important than which clown gets the 'big chair' anyway.

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[-] 0 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 2 years ago

As of right now Obama will win the election anyway he is way ahead of Romney in campaign funds. These elections are not about issues or policy its about buying the election for the corporate elite.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The senate is likely to go for the GOP, that will seal the SCOTUS, if you care about anything they do, you will get out there and work for the D's.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I agree. I say make a statement now (by not voting D or R) and aim for 2016.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

just to point out there is a option of none of the above on the ballot and if enough people do this the voting gets redone

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's a very good point. I rarely quote the founding fathers because of the chance of taking their meaning out of context, but John Quincy once said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." Now, our supporters that feel we must vote R or D (always quoting the 'Nader incident') will dispute that, but i feel they'd be taking J.Q.'s words too literally. He didn't necessarily mean your vote would actually get someone elected. He was speaking of one's principles.

It's why I boycott, although the Walton's hadn't noticed yet. It's the principle.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

good if you feel thats what you need to do then good for you.

i hate the voting campaigns such as vote or die because it wad a biased group that did it. I may star wear and selling shirts that say none of the above.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Hey, if you print up some of them shirts, I'll bet you'd make a fair amount of money. This year would be ideal for it. I bet it would resonate with a lot of people. I strongly urge you to do so. It's a damn good idea.

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I'll look into it and ill send you the link. Also ill sell them at cost to to make my point even stronger.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I will definitely buy one.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Agreed.

[-] 1 points by Demian (497) from San Francisco, CA 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's a good thread and you make some damn good points. I've felt for years that both sides were in bed together and nothing they've done recent years has changed that perception.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

How Republicon of U!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's a laugh. I don't consider myself a Democrat, but I can guarantee you, I'd rather be dead than a Republican.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Don't fall for the old Con con-job that both parties are the same. When more people Vote it favors Dems, less Cons.

We have neglected our system and the Cons, who have been plotting against our democratic experiment for the people since before our inception, snapped it up and turned it against us and for their 1% plutocrat Kings. Now we have a system that requires appeasement to the money men to participate and succeed, including Dems. We need to get the Cons and the money out!

Get out the vote.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I'm not saying both parties are the same. Whether they're in bed together or not is another matter. All I'm saying is, I have no intention of voting for Obama or Romney. And regardless of whether we get a brokered convention or not, which some suggest is a possibility, I won't be voting Republican.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Still not sure, but I'm leaning your way.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Falling for the Both Parties are the same con-job is a Vote for the Cons.

Register and Vote! Register and Vote! "We the 1%" NOT What They Wrote!!

[-] 2 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Well said. Any person cannot claim to be anti-war and a supporter of any president in recent history.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

no body can claim to want to make a difference and vote for third party, or not vote at all

[-] 3 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

I know, right? Voting for the establishment makes so much of a difference it's unbelievable. Like, as soon as Obama got in office practically, cap and trade was passed, both wars ended within the time frame he promised, he didn't start any additional wars, he ended all the constitutional abuses of the previous administration (thank goodness!), he balanced the budget, cut the military spending by more than 1%, and of course ended corporate welfare and raised taxes on the rich. Thank heaven we're not living under the Bush administration anymore!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you know you're right it would have been so much better with McCain in office

not!

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Did I ever say that? Of course it would have been worse. Mccain was one of the biggest jackasses in the world.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

it was one or the other, that's a fact

[-] 2 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Yeah. And Really, really bad is not better than really, really, really bad. Donate your money and volunteer time to third party candidates, like I do, where it will do some good.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,

It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.

As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,

To keep the plant we’re on from getting, too damn hot.

But Nader thought better his name should be heard.

And Gore was left standing with only his word.

(just a little upset about 2000)

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

I have a clear conscience about who I vote for. When I see those bombs falling in Libya, escalating the violence, I feel for the people but I don't have any guilt about it because my vote did not support it.

When I see the people rotting in Guantanamo, I feel for them but I feel no guilt.

I sleep well at night knowing that my vote goes toward someone with principle and supports the things I support. Can you say the same?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

How can you sleep knowing that you have helped the GOP?

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

I sleep really, really well. I know my vote goes to help someone you and I would both support. This Mexican standoff at the polls every year is ridiculous. Someone has to pull the trigger first, and vote their convictions.

What's worse, someone who says they are going to do something bad and then does it, or someone who says they're going to do something good and then does exactly what the other guy would have? I don't care anymore. I sleep well.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It's hardly a stand off someone always wins and people like you make sure it's the person who wants to dereg and cut taxes for the wealthy and stop gay people from marrying and stick their nonse into your doctor's office those people win every time you speak or vote, too bad you are too blind to see a difference, we could really change this thing if we rid ourselves of the GOP.

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

And naive people like you end up dropping bombs on Libya. Congratulations! I'm sure they thank you.

Thumbs up for the establishment!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So keeping Gaddafi in power, how about Mubarak? Was the whole Arab Spring a mistake?

[-] 0 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Of course not. You don't think the CIA had the capability to wax a third world dictator? No, of course not! The "single bullet" lobby is not as powerful as the "10,000 bombs" lobby! More civilian deaths! O-bomb-ya 2012!

And wait a second, you don't think the atrocities committed by Saddam warranted the Iraq war, do you? I don't.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Nope. Indies are the only ones left who havent fallen in line with war. And the idiots masses have made many feel they cannot compete with this current level of stupidity.

[-] -2 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

A majority of people say there is a need for a third party, yet like beaten spouses they come home every payday.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The people are STARVED for something different. They are craving it. There is a huge gap in what they want, vs what they are getting.

[-] -2 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

I get a huge kick out of the fact that partisan zombies here will downvote our posts because they cannot come up with any coherent counter arguments.

I recently realized how Hitler got the German population to go along with anything he said, all you have to do is employ groupthink and ostracize dissenters and the partisan sheep will fall in line with anything you say. Amazing.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Spoken like a true pastisan sheep.

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Ah! You got me. That's me, a big time partisan. LOL

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That post had some VERY STRONG Glenn Beck flavoring.

How much you want to bet, he will swear to never having listened to him?

[-] 0 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Bet anything you like. I don't have cable, so I never saw his show. I listened to his radio show some when I was an early teen, haven't tuned in in a long time.

How would you know what "flavor" Glenn Beck is? EEEW!!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Now you know what you taste like.

Eeeewww!!!! Pretty damn bad.

So far off the mark, you should be living in FLAKESnews land.

[-] 0 points by extroll (47) 2 years ago

No, see, you can't just respond to something like that with the same thing, it's weak at best. Come up with something else or it just sounds like "I know you are, but what am I?" Add some angry swear words to that, and you've just whipped up a big bowl of troll food. I know this stuff, I used to be a troll.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Do you still follow Glenn Beck?

[-] 0 points by extroll (47) 2 years ago

No. When did I say I ever did? Are you making assumptions about people again? What did I say that indicates that I still might, if I ever did, follow Glenn Beck?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, sure.

I've yet to see anyone here who quotes him, admit to EVER watching, him, or listening to his radio show.

Isn't that the most curious thing ever?

[-] 0 points by extroll (47) 2 years ago

If I was a swearing person, I'd say that's pretty much an accurate assessment of the GOP.

[-] 0 points by extroll (47) 2 years ago

Why would a bunch of people on a left leaning site constantly quote and claim to listen to Glenn Beck? Give your crack dealer a raise please, he deserves it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's not very extroll like behavior.

I'm thinkin' you lied.

I'm thinkin' the real asses are anyone that's still a (R)epelican't.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Snyder admits making Michigan a Right to Work state was never about creating jobs

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/01/snyder-admits-making-michigan-a-right-to-work-state-was-never-about-creating-jobs.html


Just like that.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Democratic voters are being convinced by a bought out media that a Republican that voted for the Iraq War is a great choice moving forward. The best one out there. In a nation of 300 million.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Progressives and Libertarians working together to remove money from politics and address the banking cartel.

This past weekend the Iphone 5 came out. The masses stormed the stores to buy it, like well trained sheep. That, my friends, is a very ASS-like move.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

"This is what happens to movements that are deemed a threat. The media puts it in a L or R corner, gets the other to attack it, and the other 95% of the people in this country that dont care, just make their opinions based on what the TV says."

So fucking true

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Pretty much sums it up, eh? In my short lifetime they have done it to the Reform Party, then the Tea, and now they have almost succeeded in doing it to Occupy (I only say this because numbers are not growing, while the corporate crime -MF Global, etc- continues.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Fuck repubs & dems ... we could use a third party, or no party (but that's a pipe dream).

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I would love to see no parties, I think the benefits would be huge.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"How the hell could I be fed up and ready to fight, and then endorse the Duopoly in the same breath?"

"So I plead to everyone who is new to this site, please take it with a grain of salt. And then go visit your local site. That is where the real action takes place, at the local levels....find out where you fit in. There is room for all types."

I agree with you 100% hchc. Thank You for this great post which I had missed.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

George Carlin agrees, the Masses Are Asses. The crowd seems to agree too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHpQt8ioqwg

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The public that actually votes D/R is getting ready to hire the same criminals to fix this mess. Most of Obama's guys are Bush/Clinton guys. Get ready for Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell and friends to entertain us for another two years!!!!

WHOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Disrupt, get Fox to slam it, get CNN to love it, mission complete.

[-] 1 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

I fall into category B and C, do I get a prize?:D

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

haha

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

And you yourself are so far above the level of the masses . . . Ha, ha, ha, ho, ho, ho, he, he he . . .

[-] 1 points by DCInsider (54) 2 years ago

Hcdc. I agree 100% with you. But I would also argue that the forum news is equally as troubling when posted by OccupyWallStreet. It has gotten a little better but for periods of time and depending on the writer it is very dramatized and over exaggerating when posted. In fact, one author admitted that it is more news propaganda and less news. So I don't just think it is the partisan posters on here that make newbies wonder. It's also the main page news.

http://occupywallst.org/article/why-we-need-free-media/#comment-702668

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

I see SOME dem. hacks,. but I do not see them in a majority here. Occupy has been very clear that we do not support any candidates, this is not a partisan movement, is is a democratic movement and the two party 'Duopoly' as you so rightly call it is not anything like a democracy.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so do you know hchc is a right wing hack?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Does that make the message less valid in your book? Do you shoot the messenger and disregard the message because you don't like how he votes?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

his only message is that we should not be effective, it is his message I disagree with

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Fair enough.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Yes, there are partisan hacks pushing from both sides for the two party gamed system (this has always worked for the 0.1% in the past). This is why I comment that the 'Obama supporters' are in no way a majority here. I would say the majority here see the game the two party system plays, and there are a minority that still cling to the party they feel some affinity for.

The more people that see the gamed system for what it is the better. If hchc is a right wing hack is he pushing the mormon? (not in this post)

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Agreed, look at Montreal, Quebec City, and now cities to the north and south of there, people are out in the streets. This kind iof defiance is what has to be the main thrust of this movement. Who wants to bet that the draconian Bill 78, and the full tuiton hikes will go down the tubes? I say they will.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

FRF attacks everyone who does not promote partisan politics.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the 1% keep winning by splitting any left support they can from the Ds so they can keep Rs in office, hchc works that way, you can keep your guys in office by making sure that those with the most energy just spin their wheels in the third party trap, it has worked for them at least since 1980 when they trapped me with Anderson, but after seeing Reagan I woke up, then we do it again in 2000, over and over that's how the 1% stay in power, splitting us up.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

The Obama is a dem, the Clinton was a dem,. it makes very little difference which side of the two-sided coin you put in, they are the same coin!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so I take it you're a split us up and keep us small kinda person, ok got it

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

No I am an occupier working to change a badly broken system. Supporting a system that works to keep you down is non-logical.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

There is a way to break it, but it starts with taking down one of the two main parties, that's the way it's always been done, I think the GOP is so far out of touch we have a real chance to do that now, but not if we spin off into some third party lala land.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

You are both engaged in the Idealist vs. Pragmatist debate. 3rd party vs. Dems.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

I have no intention of supporting ANY candidate in ANY election. I do not see how using a system that has the inherent corruptible 'elected representatives' will achieve anything except more corruption and an utter lack of real democracy. We need our input not theirs, we need to have our ideas implemented not the same sad striping of wealth from the many for the greed of the few. Every single year the gulf between the opinions of the people (seen in any good public opinion poll) and the actions of our 'elected representatives' grows wider and wider. When will you realize it is the system of representative government itself that is broken, not any candidates or party, they are just the expression of the broken system.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Sounds like it's time to prune this tree.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

true enough, people are pissed about Obama, and I am pissed about Bush/Nader, I'd say you got it about right,

BTW I'm pissed about Obama too, wrote him a letter this morning saying so, just can't bring myself to not care about the people in this country more than I am pissed about Obama, but he keeps making it harder and harder.

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

There must be a penalty for NDAA, non-uni Medicare, and the continued war on drugs. There must be a penalty for being so non-left. A penalty for being to the right of center. To being a coward. And the only stick I have to use is my vote and the 1st amendment. And I'm going to whip him with it.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

but should that penalty be our own noses?

we gave this thing to Bush in 2000, do we give it to Romney now?

[-] 1 points by JamesS89118 (646) from Las Vegas, NV 2 years ago

Exactly :( My morals vs. pragmatism.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I save my morals for church, public policy is no time to lose with honor. Losing is losing.

[-] 3 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

If you win with dishonor, isn't that being like what you condemn? Does the ends justify the means for you?

Not me.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6569) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't think voting is as bad as some available means so I'm not sure what you are saying.

What I am saying is that on any given day there are almost always two people that have a chance of winning, if you don't have the guts to make a choice between the the two maybe you are too pure to get the job done. Some people don't like to get their hands dirty, but that don't mean the stables don't need cleaning, that's what I'm saying, man up and make a choice!

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

The 'Demoblican - Repbulocrat' ; Faux Choice ; Binary Construct of The 'Two Factions - One Imperial WAR Party System', paradigm will simply continue ad nauseum UNLESS folk "man up" ; wake up and see through the veil of the demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy that is at play in The U$A !!!

Anyone who really believes in Democracy needs to see past November and look beyond the 'election cycle' into the future otherwise the slide into Overt Fascism is inevitable !!

I'll have "the guts" to "get hands dirty" IF you "man up and make a choice" to watch this deeply disturbing yet extremely important and essential documentary film !

Thus please strap in and try to set an hour of time aside for :

The full audio for the above link kicks in at 1:10.

The film is also viewable on 'YouTube' in seven parts.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=murder+spies+and+voting+lies&oq=murder+spi&aq=1&aqi=g6g-m1&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=youtube.1.1.0l6j0i5.1024.3848.0.11292.8.7.0.0.0.0.313.1134.1j4j1j1.7.0.

~*~

fiat lux et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Ok, I see now, I misunderstood you. Sorry about that.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Nothing new here, folks, but you.

Don't show up late to the game and bitch about the score.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

What?? The score is this; Occupy sees the two party system is broken, yet some still plugged into that system come here to push their silly partisan agendas. BOTH parties are working for the 0.1%, period.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"....Silly partisan agendas...." I agree.

[-] -3 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

"WHAT??"

This:

So what is your answer? Your idea for progress? Your hope of improvement?

I LOVE OCCUPY! Cuz OCCUPY made a big splash that caught the attention of America. [That there is a segment of the 1% that has employed the Republicon Cult to redistribute the wealth and income of the 99% to them.] But after that, Occupy allowed the 1%-Owned MSM portray them as a Woodstock reenactment. (Carry Flags).

But many of us have been splashing around in this pool since before you were born. The parties and our politics and our government are what We The People have let them become, by the design of the Right (Cons), and our negligence.

What's your bright idea?? Let the Cons dominate again?? that's what they're hoping for!!

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

No, I do not support either side of the broken system. you are very presumptuous, (If forced to vote, I would vote democrat, as they at least talk a good game,. they just never follow through). How do you know my age?

I support Occupy working to change, and remake the system we use to organize ourselves, without representatives to be corrupted. Why do we need to give the power of our input into our social organisation, over to a 'representative',. a corruptible politician?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You are nothing but the typical "media" occupier.

Have fun destroying our chance at change.

[-] -2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Remember, thinking you know something is not the same as knowing something.

If you insist on foolishness, keep it to yourself.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

If one believes that the government has been corrupted by industry, then it logically follows that politics in general, and political parties specifically are just as corrupted, because the same mechanisms of funding by large special interests are in place.

How people don't see this boggles my mind. The only way to attack the problem is to be apolitical. This isn't a R or D issue, it won't matter who the next president will be because nothing has changed and they are all beholden to the largest donation givers.

Until this gets repaired, and I am in favor of a Constitutional Amendment to achieve this, one party is no better than another.... their voting records prove this.... sorry not even Libertarians.

Good post hchc.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Supreme court and federal court appointments matter. They are of incredible consequence, and they are not the same in both parties, whatever else those parties may have in common.

Taking five minutes to insure better court appointments is not an endorsement of any one party as a whole. Nor does it preclude apolitical direct action. It is simply in addition to activism. Strengthening the hand of the Republicans to enable more Scalias and Thomas's to hold sway by ignoring that reality undermines the effectiveness of activism.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

I agree. Thats the problem with generalizations, which my post made.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Bull Shit! The powers that be sent "Industry" over seas to weaken Americans and especially our workers. "One" should know that and believe it.

Discouragement and contrived negligence caused this. We the people let ourselves get swindled into letting Cons get their way and get their employers' claws into our government.

How being apolitical will "attach this problem" should boggle everyone's mind, but it is exactly what Cons and their greed-addled 1% employers want you to do, so their redistribution of wealth to them from us, the 99%, is not disturbed!!

Don't be fooled by a presidential term sabotaged by shameless Cons. As the Buffet Rule was yesterday! No re-election-worries payback will be a BITCH.

Register and Vote! Register and Vote! "We the 1%" NOT What They Wrote!!

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Who do you think lobbied 'the powers that be' to send industry overseas? Industry. Government does nothing proactive. It only does things through pressure, lobbying being a very effective form of pressure.

You can't beat this system by being part of it. That's why I state one should be apolitical. But pressure works, and what OWS excels at is in providing civil pressure, by taking the issues to the street.... not by acting in the political arena the way the Tea Party chose. What do the have to show for their efforts after 2 years of being in Congress? Nothing.

Voting doesn't work. That's been proven for the past 30 years. Special Interest lobbying and campaign money negates voting. I never said to be apathetic, but apolitical... huge difference.

The one thing the powers that be fear the most is civil unrest. The more people in the street shouting their grievances the more pressure we put on DC. It is a tactic that has been shown to work time and time again throughout history by those who have been disenfranchised... and all of us are disenfranchised.

You're the fool for thinking you can win this within the system. It's their game, their rules, and they have all the money. Whatever you put forth will be co-opted.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Geeze, and just when I was starting to like you, you come up ignoring what the teabaggers have wrought upon us.

Government doesn't stop and start in Washington, nor have the teabaggers.

A congress in a state of deep freeze, is what the teabaggers have done on a national level.

916 bills against womens rights, are what teabaggers have wrought upon the States....and that's just the obvious stuff.

PS: To be apolitical, is still very much a political stance.

That's what politics is. A stance.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

The Tea Baggers were originally created to implement tax reform. They failed miserably at that task.

But I agree, what they did wind up doing is freezing Congress, which is negative to everyone.

By being apolitical, I mean to stay independent... not swayed by either left or right, D or R, which is the state of politics today.... one of extremes.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm not particularly swayed, but I am well aware of the damage being done by (R)epelican'ts in my state and in my country.

I understand how you feel, and years ago I voted for every libertarian on the ballot, until I looked closer at who and what they were, and the end result of my voting practices.

It wasn't a pretty picture.

The result was 12 endless years of mostly damaging (R)epelican't policy and ideology, that in many ways, brought us to where we are today.

Not to mention the the strongly neo-liberal economic model that was institutionalized in those years.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

I think it was you who posted that recognized the time in history when the shift to extremes where made... and that was during the late 60's and 70's. The left became more extreme because of Vietnam, and the right became more extreme with the advent of the Austrian/neo-liberal/Chicago school of economics becoming mainstream.

It was the push to unregulated free markets, free trade, and laissez-faire government style (embraced by Ronald Raygunz) that marked this change.... from Republican to RHINO if you did not completely believe in these systems. Tiny govt and strict Constitutionalism became sucked in as well as philosophies.

John F Kennedy would be considered a moderate today things have shifted so much. I am a left leaning Independent. Many here claim to need the support of those who think along the lines that I do. I'll tell you now thats not going to happen if extremists here keep marginalizing us.

I'm for a government that regulates and maintains our standard of living, clean air, clean soil, clean water, universal healthcare, subsidized education, and more.

Just because I believe that the system is broken and that both parties are virtually the same doesn't make me a 'cultist' or a troll.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

My point?

They are NOT virtually the same. It just isn't true.

[-] 0 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Sorry guess it wasn't your point.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Not sure if you're a troll.

Occupy and progressive politicians (Dems) need to act simultaneously!!

Without the system you are Ralph Nader, a great man going nowhere.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Funny, I'm not sure if you are one either.

Just because I see as most that the system is broken and I believe you can't fix the system from within the system you think me a troll?

Maybe anyone who doesn't believe in your worldview is a troll. Nice stance.

[-] -3 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

TROLL ALERT!!

How can you say a system is broken when you disregard the achievements of one part of it which succeeded in spite of the massive Unprecedented SABOTAGES railed against it by a RW out of control!!???? Did you miss this???

TROLL!!

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day.... give me an 'effin break.

Grow up.

[-] 1 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

If I was a troll, I would be laughing my head off now, because the movement is nearly self destructing as supporters end up witch-hunting each other and calling each other out as a troll over the least little ideological difference.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You were just laughing your ass off in another thread.

Thanks for the heads up.

[-] 0 points by Craiggiedangit (99) 2 years ago

Oh, that... were you going to either retract your claim that I engaged in name calling or provide some examples?

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Our negligence let the Cons, who have plotted against our American experiment in democracy for the People since before its inception, snatch it up and turn it against us and for the 1% Plutocrats, their current day Kings.

We have a lot of waking up to do and a lot of work. We need to get the Cons and the money out ASAP!

First the Vote! A consistent lesser evil Vote will evolve to really good!!

Don't fall for the Cons con-job: both parties ARE NOT the same.

[-] 0 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

I think I like this guy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

One of your many sock puppets, I assume?

Good to know, poster formerly know as hchc.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Please tell me what a sock puppet is and why does it belong to me?

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[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

This OP literally sounds like a ten year old Republicon trying to act all Occupy-ie.

Big dif between Cons and Dems, wake up!

Don't vote for the "lesser evil" then get ready for the "GREATER EVIL."

No evil? no flaws? perfection? It does not exist!!!

The MSM only "puts it as" dirty, sleeping hippies. Occupiers need to clean up their act. The point is Public Relations!

Maybe, this newbie is just naive. But...

Does the OP acknowledge the flagrant sabotage and hostage-taking by this crop of Republicons? EVER?? NEVER!! Hmmm...

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

"newbie" joined Jan 28th.

This poster is nothing but a pro establishment Dem, seeking to corrupt the movement.

If you have ever been to one, you would see you are the outsider, not me.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

News Flash: The world did not begin on Jan 28 or Fall 2011!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Im sure you have been parading around your "Get rid of hte R, and the D will straighten up" nonsense for quite some time.

How's that workin out fo ya? :>)

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

And what are you doing? and what are your goals? And what do you even know of it?

Quit wasting my time, class is done!

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Millions of Americans pulling the lever for one corporate puppet or another, and thinking that their civic duty is done after that.

Sad, sad, sad,

[-] -1 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

I hope a lot of people realize Obama is a toady, to Republican agendas, and OWS has become infested with dirtbags, who simultanously want to go out and get arrested, but as soon as they get out of jail, they want to vote for the same Democrats, who are second-team Republicans. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, Bill signed deregulation of courts, energy, and banks, Obama bailed the banks AND HE IS A KILLER, LOOKING TO STEAL OUR RIGHTS. I do hope you guys here realize toadying up to either Democrats or Republicans has done no good, SINCE BEFORE OUR PARENTS WERE BORN, and mine are both dead.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I think the tide is starting to turn, but the nation is so pre-programmed into D/R nonsense its an uphill battle of mountain proportions.

[-] -1 points by bobgnote (-55) 2 years ago

This site has a whole lot of D-dogs, all looking to get arrested, get out of jail in time to vote Democratic, and diss anybody who watches TV. This is partly a joke, but hey. I wouldn't go out with garbage, to get trashed, by cops.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

The people in the streets are not garbage.

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