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Forum Post: The Gumby Act

Posted 11 months ago on May 11, 2013, 12:16 p.m. EST by shooz (26665)
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Yes Virginia, in the coming libe(R)topian wonderland, workers won't need any rights.

It should all be up to employers.

Do you have to pee and it's not your break time?

It comes off your vacation time.

The recent story about the woman fired at T-Mobile, for the unmitigated gall of having a "problem" pregnancy, is now coming to a workplace near you.

100 years of advancing workers rights will soon be wiped out in a flash.

Thanks to......Guess who?

Why the GOP, of course.

" A century ago, workers were a lot more “flexible” than they are now. Veritable Gumbies in the mills and mines and factories they were, distorting their lives to slog 10 or 12 hours a day, for six—even seven—days a week.

Then came the 40-hour week. And weekends. And eventually sick days. And paid vacation days. Now, bosses at mills and mines and factories regard these rules as coddling and believe the workers accustomed to them are resisting corporate demands.

The GOP has an app for that. It’s called the Working Families Flexibility Act. This legislation that the Republican majority in the U.S. House is expected to pass this week would force some old-time flexibility into 21st-century workers. The forced flexibility act would award bosses the power to “offer” compensatory time off instead of overtime pay. Bosses, not workers, would determine when the comp time could be taken. The proposal puts control in corporate hands, obliging wage earners to bend over backward for bosses exactly like their Gumby ancestors were compelled to."

http://inthesetimes.com/article/14957/gop_forcibly_making_working_families_flexible

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[-] 3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Did you read the Act? The employee has complete charge of his comp time or overtime. He/she chooses and can bow out any time.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Yes I did, and you Have it the exact opposite.

Like most legislation written by the ALEC/GOP, it actually provides NO benefit to the worker and MANY to the employer.

It allows for further tyranny, on the part of employers, in the same way "right to work" does.

Indeed, it is extremely backwards legislation.

You would think the GOP would have better things to do. Like get roads paved of repairing infrastructure, but NO, they are still very much all about attacking the middle class, as they have been for decades...

[-] 1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

I didnt see that. Where is there no benefit? I read it as the employee can either have comp time or overtime, per the employees request, NOT the employer.

Can you be specific?

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Why bother.

You believe in fairy tales anyway.

It's a BLATANT anti-union ploy. Just like "right to work".

By the way. Have you considered getting a job?

[-] 1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Shooz speak for " I didn't read it, I just have knee jerk reactions"

You are a real fuck.

Prove your point or fuck off, pussy.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Whoa.........right wing name calling!

Now that's original. asshole.

" The forced flexibility act would enable employers to give workers comp time off instead of overtime pay. Republicans contend it would be the worker’s choice, but in reality bosses foreclose options when they make it extremely clear they want comp time selected.

And they’ll want workers to “choose” comp time. That’s because workers won’t be able to specify when they’ll take the compensatory time off. Bosses will have veto power on those requests. And as workers accrue more and more hours of overtime—up to 160 a year—to be compensated later as time off, the corporation retains an increasing share of the value of their labor."

WallStreet will get the lions share.

" With overtime pay, the worker gets the money in the next paycheck and spends or saves it as he pleases, earning interest if he banks it. Under the GOP forced flexibility proposal, the boss can deny time off requests for as long as a year, after which the company must pay the wage earner for the extra time worked. By then, the corporation has kept the workers’ earnings, and the interest on them, for 12 months.

And if the company goes bankrupt before paying for the accumulated overtime, the GOP provides no protection for workers. Workers would lose the earnings that they would have received immediately if they had been paid time-and-a-half in the next check."

Like said, turn off FLAKESnews, breitbart, Beck and all the rest and get a REAL job.

You seem to think the GOP would help any worker anywhere.

They don't.

So will you "fuck off" now?

Or will you continue to play the flaky ass FLAKESnews game?

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

That's not from the actual bill. Read the actual bill. You posted an opinion. BULLSHIT. READ THE BILL ITSELF.

Don't post bullshit liberal opinion hit pieces. Read the bill.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

"The law is also another Republican attempt to kill new jobs because without the incentives inherent in the FLSA overtime rule, employers have no reason to hire new employees to avoid paying overtime because if they have free rein to work employees 16 hours a day for minimum wage, they will not bring in new workers to save payroll expense on overtime pay; until they fire the employ to avoid giving them the time off they earned. Americans already work more hours and are more productive than any other industrialized country, and giving employers protection to reduce paychecks is a real threat because they can claim giving employees earned comp time will “unduly disrupt the operations of the employer.” Regardless what Cantor says, his bill is meant to force Americans to work more for less pay and it is another Republican gift to the business community regardless the damage to American workers and the economy.

Proponents of ending overtime pay claim many public sector employees have, and take advantage, of flex time provisions, but they are predominately unionized workers with protections the private sector does not afford its employees and Republicans are fighting desperately to end. America is one of the only industrialized nations on Earth that does not provide paid sick leave or paid vacations, and opponents of Cantor’s bill warn that it effectively “liquidates the whole concept of paid leave” because instead of giving workers paid vacations or sick leave, they will force them to “earn” time off by working overtime that still gives the employers the option to defer the time off indefinitely, or until the time of termination that absolves them from ever compensating the employee."

Did you get that job yet?

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Again with the opinion, not facts. You aren't posting the actual bill, just posting an opinion.

You are such a sheep. And as such, you are being sheared. By me.

BTW your buddy Obama? He is making me kinda rich. 2009 my 401k was $800000, it's now 2.4 million and I haven't done a thing to deserve it. By holding interest rates so low, he is crushing seniors, and forcing money into stock equities. Who benefits? Me, Goldman Sachs, and the 54% who own stocks. Who owns stocks, rich people.

Who loses? You. Hear the buzzing of the shears? They are coming for you, you blind hating fool.

And to really frost you blind ass: I bought $20000 worth of BankAmerica stock at $3. It's $13 today. More than quadrupled. BOA!!!! Those ripoff artists. And who loses? You, again.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaa, Hear the shears being clicked on?

:)))))))))))))))))))))

[-] -3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Heading over to my country club to work on my chipping and short game. Then 18 holes. My short game sucks, only thing holding me back from being scratch. I have a 64 degree wedge I just can't hit.

Free, white, affluent and over 21, ain't nothing better in this world.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

That's nice.

You're a racist too.

Who could have guessed?

I suppose you're really mad at this guy then?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rnc-hispanic-outreach-director-becomes-democrat?ref=fpb

[-] -1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 11 months ago

Why be mad? Is his short game good?

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

I don't know, or care.

Do you have any actual information to share?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/13/2004031/24-harvard-student-groups-graduating-jason-richwine-debases-all-of-our-degrees/

It would seem more and more people are becoming aware of just how bigoted the GOP is.

Care to join the future?

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[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

My short game is dreadful. Just like most liberal/ progressive ideology.

I played great Saturday except for chipping and putting. Today was as bad, even worse. Getting the lob wedge out of my bag.

[-] 0 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Boy, can you clean my spikes and shine my clubs, boy?

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Good doggy. Good boy. Now, roll over.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Sounds like U R experienced with shearing - OH that's right U say U R an employer - and listening to Ur BS - It stands to reason that U would B familiar with shearing.

[-] 1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Public employees ha comp time and like it.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/compensatory-time-off/

Why shouldn't private employees have the same right?

Shooz hates private employees! Shooz hates Americans. No surprise there. A hater, thru and thru.

[-] -2 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

You're the union busting scab, not me.

That link has nothing to do with GOP bill.

Why is it that's the only kind of thing they'll pass at all for the last 5 years or so?

[-] 3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

You aren't making sense, as usual.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

You perceive that, only because you're a union busting scab.

[-] 2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Then why do public employee unions WANT comp time?

You are another batshit crazy lib. I might understand if the public unions were trying to get comp time removed from their contracts but they aren't. They like using comp time to calculate retirement benefits, it works greatly in their favor.

But batshit crazy loons like you can't understand that.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Because they didn't want to pay overtime premium, so they compromised.

Destruction of that premium, is what this bill aims to do completely.

Union busting......plain and simple.

.

[-] 0 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

No, what this does is remove the unions from the negotiating table and weakens their hold, because a reasonable Bennie, comp time, is acquired without the need of union dues. If employees can just go to elected reps to get work bennies, why be in a union?

I understand why unions don't like it, the union leadership didn't get it so they look useless.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-united-states-of-ayn/

This is where it's headed.

You are so confused you almost confused me.

First you say NO, it isn't union busting.

Then you describe how it busts unions.

My guess is you don't have job.

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Well it does make unions weaker but to the benefit of the employee.

That's a good thing, employees getting more bennies.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Not at all.

The "benefit" is purely to the employers.

NOTHING in this bill is for the worker.

NOTHING.

http://www.politicususa.com/house-republican-attack-overtime-pay-designed-kill-jobs.html

Welcome to libe(R)topia.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017118615

The faucet's on fire, and so's your pants.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Well it does make unions weaker but to the benefit of the employee.

BullShit - unless a typo - and you actually meant [ of the employer ]

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Further - 100% - worker busting. Down grading ALL Workers.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Then why do public employee unions WANT comp time?

Show that. If anything it would be because they can't get over time and would like some sort of compensation for the extra hours worked.

Still - I think that they ( like any worker ) would prefer getting paid for their time.

[-] 1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

If they are smart and frugal, they can store comp time, get it paid out in their last 2 years of service, which are used to calculate retirement bennies. Lets say you make $50k/ year. If you bank 1000 hours comp time, get it paid out in your last 2 years, your retirement calc is on $75000, not $50000. Lots of pub employees use this greatly to their advantage.

I don't know that all can do this, but this us a common reason for banking comp time.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Frugal??

Indeed!

Why are you wasting money on an internet connection?

You don't need it.

You should be saving that for retirement.

That is, if you actually have a job.

[-] 0 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

And still batshit crazy.

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

I actually post FACTS.

Read Sections 12, 13 to see how you can increase retirement income using accrued comp time.

It helps if you stupid liberals actually had jobs nd real world experience.

I PROVED, beyond a shadow of doubt that I know exactly of which I speak, and you just whine. Shooz: whine, whine, whine whine whine, with no basis in truth.

I crushed you, weakling.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

When?????

How in the hell is replacing pensions with "comp time" that will only be there, if the corporation involved want's it to be, or even still exists, a good thing.

Like I said..................get a job.

You haven't proven a thing, other than being anti worker.

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

You didn't read it, what a fuck, again.

You lose wimp.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Get a minimum wage job out there on the free market.

Work it for 20 years or so and get back to me.

See how you like having WallStreet steal your pension.

Until then, you got nothing.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

I don't know anyone who has comp time that likes it. Everyone that I have met that is actually compensated in overtime pay with comp time thinks it sucks. You just figured out another way not to pay them. You are lying. Again.

[-] 3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Actually here is why they like it, public employees. They bank it for as long as they can, then collect it in the last 3 years of their careers which is how their retirement gets calculated.

What you posted is anecdotal. There are studies that show many, but not all public employees like comp time. The unions asked for it. I assume they wanted it.

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

This: [-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-31) 1 hour ago

Public employees ha comp time and like it.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/compensatory-time-off/

Why shouldn't private employees have the same right?

Shooz hates private employees! Shooz hates Americans. No surprise there. A hater, thru and thru. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Actually here is why they like it, public employees. They bank it for as long as they can, then collect it in the last 3 years of their careers which is how their retirement gets calculated.

is anecdotal. You're stating that they do like it is anecdotal. You are a liar.

[-] 3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Then why did their unions negotiate for it?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

First of all, there are those that have unions and they do get paid overtime. But, not everybody has a union. You and your ilk are so busy fucking people that I'm sure it hasn't crossed your dash board.

[-] 3 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

No need to insult others like a child. We can discuss issues like adults. No?

[-] -2 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

You've proven completely incapable of that, as well as rather insulting.

Honesty not your strong suit?

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Ah! The Twinkle Team in action. It's dumb and dumber. Where's your partner DKAtoday? Still taking his morning shower. He'll be here soon I suppose. How's the retirement home. You guys should go play cards with the women. Try to score for once, instead of always wasting your time here.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Which one of those logical fallacies was that?

Multiples, to be sure.

I doubt you could name them all.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

See what I mean?

No logic.

No facts.

No issues, to speak of.

Plus insults.

What would the names of all the applicable logical fallacies be?

There's a lot of there.

A gamut.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

I have acquired solid information about you. I know for a fact that you and DKAtoday live in the same retirement home. I know you both suffer from illness and have nearly no friends. I know you both don't participate in OWS actions. I know you both don't understand OWS and are scientifically illiterate. I know you are both addicted to this forum and spend nearly all your waking hours on it.

I know these things because you shared this knowledge with me when you thought I was someone else. DKAtoday then supported these claims in private messages as well.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

You must be practicing.

100% pure, unadulterated logical fallacies.

Even to the point of creating your own conspiracy theory!!!

Sorry, we're all out of kewpie dolls to award you.

Some other troll, stole them all.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

BullShit = LoneStranger

Ur Nothing But A Loser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC7aluA-nPM

Mr. Twister's theme song ( formally known as the LoneStranger ) - "THE TWIST" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

You are not as smart as you like to think you are. You are a sell out to the American people.

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Are you implying that shooz already has a girlfriend and that you're it? Or wait, maybe you're not even a girl. Maybe you're a big fat party animal?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

No, Koch whore.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

The LoneStranger is a real nowhere man(?) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mj7Rlh2lJo

[+] -8 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Something like that.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Yep - something - can't get much stranger either.

Also does not know the way - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m9Woo6UwoI

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Canadian sellout as well no doubt - if one can believe that it actually is Canadian.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

No need for multiple IDs unless your a shill. No?

[-] 2 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

No, they have many uses. Like not having to wait 3 hours before posting again. It's also a good way to remove the proposer from the argument. This is useful since most Americans are more concerned with the proposer than with the arguments. I like multiple IDs. I think everyone should use them. It would help stop infighting. People here always attack the same others. If nobody knew who the others were because of constant ID changes, then people would need to debate the arguments, not the proposer like you do. The best would be to have no usernames at all. We don't need to know who writes what idea. We should only care about ideas.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

"We don't need to know who writes what idea. We should only care about ideas."

Yup, That's what got Reagan elected.......twice.

That's what got Ron Paul elected in Texas.

It's a very "surface" way to look at things.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

When people care about the proposer instead of the idea, it's because they lack the intelligence to properly evaluate the idea on its own merits. These kinds of people evaluate the idea based on the proposer because it's easier. That is a logical fallacy.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

So then I should consider YOUR insults as truth?

You have yet to bring an issue to the table.

You spend most of your time attacking users. There's a logical fallacy there, but you've WAY over used the term so far.

I once asked you for cogent commentary on ALEC.

YOU failed miserably. Like you have NO idea what it even is.

If that's not a FAIL, I don't know what is.

You remind me of when the self vaunted thrashy admitted he didn't know who Alex Jones was.

<FAIL>

Reboot, system.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

I already commented on ALEC for you. I'm not going to repeat myself. Is ALEC your girlfriend or boyfriend. It seems you are obsessed about it.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

<FAIL>

Reboot system.

All you really have are your insults.

You have added absolutely NOTHING else, and you have NO issue whatsoever about repeating your insults, over and over.

How about a comment on CATO?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Bullshit. You spend hours arguing with yourself. There is no justification for it, is there Daddy Cockroach? Oh, shit, what would happen to your contract?

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

I never once replied to my own comments here. Stop your delusions and conspiracy theories in the style of Alex Jones. It's time you start thinking about basing your analysis on evidence. Don't be afraid of science and proper research methodology. It won't hurt you.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

It's about time you pulled your head out of your ass. That's what time it is. You arrogant, ignorant right wing cockroach.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Sigh... unoriginal boring ad hominem.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

It's pretty simple dickwad. You propose that an entire group of people like to work for free, which is exactly what it boils down to. It's why it isn't liked-especially when you take into account that there has been a pay freeze for many agencies. They would rather pay bills. Now you want to foist that on other people and you are willing to lie about it to get it. It's pathetic. Now, since you aren't smart enough to understand that this has been in action for some time and many people are aware of how this works............you don't deserve anything more than an unoriginal boring ad hominem.

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Did you reply to the right person? I did not comment on these issues at all. How do you know what my stance is in this regard.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-55) 4 minutes ago

OK, no evidence. As suspected. Say hi to Alex Jones for me. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Keep those responses coming, Darlin'. It's the best demonstration yet. :D

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-55) 2 minutes ago

Hmm.... OK. I'd ask you to provide evidence like a permalink where I said those things, but I know you wouldn't even try since you love conspiracy theories in the style of Alex Jones. Accusing without evidence, that's what most users here like to do. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


No. You can read the thread. Everybody that posted yesterday knows. Everybody that is posting this morning sees the same thing. Because...........you really are that stupid.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

OK, no evidence. As suspected. Say hi to Alex Jones for me.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-55) 1 minute ago

Well, I never proposed the things you accuse me of proposing. Not sure what's the point of lying and pretending another user said something when he didn't. If it amuses it's alright. I just think it's a waste of time. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


No. You. Don't. You are very transparent. Specifically, in your desperation to side track the issue.

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Hmm.... OK. I'd ask you to provide evidence like a permalink where I said those things, but I know you wouldn't even try since you love conspiracy theories in the style of Alex Jones. Accusing without evidence, that's what most users here like to do.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

I sure did reply to the right person.

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 11 months ago

Well, I never proposed the things you accuse me of proposing. Not sure what's the point of lying and pretending another user said something when he didn't. If it amuses it's alright. I just think it's a waste of time.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

unoriginal boring ad hominem.

Really?

Well U still don't hear it often enough.

So - It's about time you pulled your head out of your ass. That's what time it is. You arrogant, ignorant right wing cockroach.

Personally - I would have left off right-wing - as I do not believe that you have beliefs/loyalties/morals

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

He's Nothing But A Loser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC7aluA-nPM

Mr. Twister's theme song - "THE TWIST" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

[-] 2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Some like it, some don't. I post facts, you just whine, whine, whine as you and Shooz circle jerk each other.

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/10/182910609/comp-time-or-cold-cash-which-would-you-pick

Employers aren't even clamoring for this, per NPR, which is as lib as there is.

Gawd you dolts are so easy to predict and destroy.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

But that’s typical Washington, where old ideas get repackaged every year. What labor advocates are more concerned about is that the bill supposedly aimed at helping working families might actually hurt them by undermining the 40-hour work week and “increasing overtime hours for those who don’t want them and cutting pay for those who do,” as Center for Economic and Policy Research economist Eileen Appelbaum wrote. The National Partnership for Women and Families said the “mis-named Working Families Flexibility Act will mean a pay cut for workers without any guaranteed flexibility or time off.”

The bill didn’t pass Congress in previous years for this very reason. When GOP leaders were courting New York Rep. Peter King to vote for the measure in 1997, he asked if they had spoken with labor groups about the measure. “It was as if I had said, Have you met with somebody from Mars?’” King told the Newsday on March 25 of that year. He voted against the bill.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the business lobby of the country’s largest corporations, supports the bill. http://www.salon.com/2013/05/06/gop_pushes_bogus_workplace_bill_from_1996/

[-] -2 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

It may not be a great bill in either regard. But it isn't an assault against labor. It's a bill with pros and cons. Quit making it evil.

I am an employer. You folks who have no employer experience don't know how tightly defined employment rules are now. Our programs for clocking in employees can't be over ridden to block overtime, they are locked in. Our payroll services keeps all work rules right down to the T.

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 11 months ago

You are either full of crap or extremely ignorant. This bill is an unsufferable piece of crap posing as legitimate legislation posing as helping working mothers! Rather than an outrageously disgusting profit making tool for corporations to get an interest free loan. From their employees!

This bill is a giant piece of flaming shit that someone should set fire to on Eric Cantor's desk in recognition of the big giant flaming piece of shit that it is.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

It is an assault against labor. You know this. You lose. Again.

[-] 0 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

You haven't posted one truth. That makes me feel so vindicated. Thank you.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Yes, I did you paid to post right wing clown ass shill.

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

It was ok for fed workers

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

No, it wasn't, you pathetic piece of slimy shit.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Still warming up on the cardiovascular work-out?

Nice.

Don't want to dive in too quick. Strain a muscle or something.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Yep.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Good - not healthy to rush.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Oh, any time they are ready.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

I know - U keep in shape.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

No, it wasn't you fucking skanky dirtbag. I provided this information earlier, little cockroach. You little fucking whiny bitch.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Short (big things come in small packages ) simple ( not at all like U ) and to the point.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

Public sector workers can answer this question. In 1985, Congress voted to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) allowing government employers to offer comp time in lieu of overtime pay. Family and flexibility had nothing to do with it: the bill was framed as a cost-savings measure for cash strapped government agencies. The results: longer work hours and less pay for America’s families.

The public sector workforce has far greater union density (35.9%) than the private sector workforce (6.6%). Except in so-called Right-to-Work states, many government workers can negotiate a collective bargaining agreement covering policies for comp time and overtime. Union workers can stick together: they know the contract, can discuss compensation matters without threat of termination and have formal grievance procedures. But even with those safeguards, workers are often cheated out of money and time.

Ask Linda Burgin, a retired research analyst with Oregon State Agencies and past President of SEIU 503. She describes comp time in lieu of overtime pay as “ a nice idea that resulted in hundreds of hours that she and her colleagues worked without compensation of any sort”. The real problem lies in getting the comp time off when you need it most. Due to downsizing, increased deadlines and rapid turnover, agencies are struggling to comply. Linda recalls that it was usually easier to work the extra hours – without compensation – and get the job done. That amounts to huge cost savings for the state at the workers’ expense!

Read more: http://www.momsrising.org/blog/whats-wrong-with-comp-time-ask-government-workers/#ixzz2THDqXmRX

[-] 1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Linda Burgin is an anecdote. That has no value. If Public employee unions don't like it, why are they keeping it? That's the place to look. If was bad they would have bargained it away.

As I said, using honesty, some like it, some don't. I know LOTS of parents who bank comp time so they can get lots of vacation time in the summer. But that is again, anecdotal.

And I proved beyond a shadow that comp time is a great way to magnify retirement bennies, proof.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

You didn't prove anything sweet pea. If a business folds you don't have much to work with. Flexibility is only for the owners not for the employees. You lose because you are a right wing shill. You don't know anybody but your little group of paid right wing trolls.

[-] 0 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 11 months ago

Can't debate on facts. I win again. What a loser.

I cannot understand why you progressives won't debate with facts.

Loser/whiner. Hahaha.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

OK

You win.

Now, go and get a minimum wage job out there on the free market.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

I nailed your ass. Again. Well, that's all for this morning. If I have time then I might verbally abuse you later, little Koch whore.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

They always think legislation is written in a vacuum.

It isn't.

Here's the ruling that came just before.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/14965/another_blow_to_nlrb_court_bosses_dont_have_to_notify_workers_of_rights/

Aren't conse(R)vative courts a wonderful thing?

If you happen to be a "corporate citizen"?

Not so much for the rest of us.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 11 months ago

Tar & Feathers time ...

Tar Sands & Feathers

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

You're not looking forward to libe(R)topia?

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 11 months ago

no actually... the Tar Sands & Feathers' Party could be quite FUN !!!!

[-] 2 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

I know of a swamp in Alabama that would be perfect!...................:)

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20488) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

the scumbags

[-] 0 points by highlander21 (-46) 11 months ago

Perhaps in response to ACA?

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Nope.

They're just nasty people.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Libe(R)topia.

It's the 19th century all over again, only worse, because we should know better.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

So whats your solution?

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

I've given it several times, including to you personally.

Will now pretend I haven't, or are you just pretending to be a newbie?

Will you be sending me insulting IMs over it.......again?

I think maybe you should just stay over at prisonplanet.

They deserve you

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 11 months ago

Libe(R)tarian...

Coining self made terms, the epitome of objectivism. Throw in a slam against Ayn with your term and you will be back to being the biggest hypocrite most of us have ever seen on the internet.

Its all about you, isnt it? Too busy to explain solutions. Too important.

Have a nice night.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

So you're saying every word ever coined, was coined by a libe(R)tarian?

They own the dictionary?

Will you stepping out of the twilight zone any time soon?

You're just getting weird now.

BTW Nice to know you're in agreement with this piece of shit legislation.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Hand in Hand with Right to ( Fire ) work (double speak ) this new Gumby ( Working Families Flexibility Act - Double Speak ) will really fuck over the worker. ALEC hard at work to make your life "A LIVING HELL" - also brought to you by the Fossil Fuel ( Fucks ) - Koch's as well as corp(se)oRATions everywhere.

[-] 0 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

I agree, although I think your are giving short shrift to "right to work's" ( proven effective) ability to not only severely reduce bargaining power, but to reduce the effectiveness of the last "boots on the ground" workers rites organizations.

Which of all of those may be the worst might be a tossup, but all of them combined have proven devastating to workers in almost all fields.

Make no mistake.

If unions had advanced at previous levels, workers could have fought off the mass exodus of manufacturing.

At the levels they're at today, they are having trouble enforcing contracts.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

No argument here.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

[ Gumby ] come-on Pokey it will be gr8.

[ Pokey ] You're an insane asshole Gumby.

Tweet -

The Gumby Act: The Republican Plan to Bend Workers Into Pretzels - In These Times http://inthesetimes.com/article/14957/gop_forcibly_making_working_families_flexible#.UY6K1Tk6wqU.twitter Fight Austerity - Share/Circulate

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (21780) 11 months ago

This really pisses me off. Ya, I want to hear from the sellouts that don't support unions because they don't care for all. Dumb pieces of shit.

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

Most are just hollering about their access to ridiculous amounts of overtime at base pay.

They are nothing, if not deluded.

http://www.politicususa.com/house-republican-attack-overtime-pay-designed-kill-jobs.html

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Food 4 Thought.

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZTn8jD2GcRA

Food 4 Thought

Living Wage is needed

World Wide Problem

Not just USA

Consider the video.

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[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

It would be a start in the correct direction, but I still believe the Wobblies had the better idea.

An actual World Wide Union, capable of effectively going on strike anywhere in the World in support of abused workers in any region of the World.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Avazz? It is not a union - but............

[-] -1 points by shooz (26665) 11 months ago

I like AVAZZ, I'm just sayin'. Something needs to be done and this is a start.

The wobblies, aren't coming back.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Networks are building. Communications are getting around. Hell AARP even sent out a petition. I sent in return a request that they work with other complimentary groups in support of the same issues.

Synergy - The Sum is greater/stronger than the number of it's parts.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Let's hope it's not all lip service.

I'm sure that this is for public relations - more then anything else.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/bangladesh-will-allow-garmet-workers-to-form-unions.php

DHAKA, Bangladesh (AP) — Bangladesh’s government agreed Monday to allow the country’s garment workers to form trade unions without prior permission from factory owners, the latest response to a building collapse that killed more than 1,100 people and focused global attention on the industry’s hazardous conditions.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

It is a good message. There is a lot of the public that still listens to the Pope.

“How many brothers and sisters find themselves in this situation!” said the pontiff referring to the unfair and unsafe working conditions around the world. “Not paying fairly, not giving a job because you are only looking at balance sheets, only looking at how to make a profit. That goes against God!”

So still worth a tweet -

Pope Francis Says That Only Looking At How To Make A Profit Goes Against God, Chastises 'Slave Labor' http://p.ost.im/p/d4msRJ via @AddInfoOrg