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Forum Post: The Gap of the Haves and Have Nots Getting More Obvious

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 3, 2013, 5:48 p.m. EST by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL
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Check this out. "Clear" is "hassle free" airport security. So basically they treat us all like animals, but if you have enough cash, you can get out of it. What a load of shit!

How much longer are the masses going to tolerate this?

http://clearme.com//?crcat=Search+Brand~name+clear&crsource=adwords&crkw=clear&crcampaign=29025506613&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Google-PPC&utm_campaign=Search+Brand&utm_content=name+clear&utm_term=clear&ne_ppc_id=1477&ne_ad_id=2485083&ne_sadid=29025506613&gclid=CJSrzt6izbQCFQ2znQodhyAAZg

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[-] 3 points by ChemLady (576) 1 year ago

As long as there is attention paid to security I don't see this as all that much different then buying a first class ticket. We're not all equal and never will be.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Well thats a police-state, cop out answer if Ive ever heard one....

[-] 2 points by ChemLady (576) 1 year ago

How? The entire procedure at airports is there in an attempt to secure flight safety. I'm not commenting on how desirable or effective that is. Simply on the introduction of a purchased privilege to more or less skip the line. If you don't actually bypass the entire reason for the security check, then simply paying more to go in first isn't any different then being allowed to buy a first class ticket, designer clothing, luxury car, or anything else your little consumer's heart desires.

This Clear pass is simply another service that anyone may purchase. Another sign of inequity, I agree. However if you are going to allow people the right to purchase what they want you are always going to have money spent by some on privileges.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Except if you buy bargain clothing, economy car, or anything else you arent groped or radiated as a result of your not buying higher.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 1 year ago

That goes to my original point, skipping ahead doesn't bother me as long as the security arrangements are comparable for both groups. Their web site states that you bypass the line and go right to screening, it doesn't say you skip the security screening at all.

You make a choice, if you fly, you have to put up with the security. Unfortunately there are some people willing to blow up a plane. The public may find the security measures onerous, but recognize a need to balance convenience and security.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I realize this. Plenty of people "they" deem decent- mainly politicians- get to avoid it. Its only a matter of time before another "level" is created and opened to the public for more money.

"...said in a statement that Mr. Boehner was not receiving special treatment. And a law enforcement official said that any member of Congress or administration official with a security detail is allowed to bypass security."

How the fuck is this not special treatment?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/no-security-pat-downs-for-boehner/

And if you dont see where this is heading, you are naive.

A group of cavedwellers who allegedly hijacked a couple planes and beat a 100million dollar air defense system, hitting their targets from 500 miles away with no radar to guide them, does not mean we all get radiated and groped.

Founding fathers would be ashamed of this. And Im assuming you like to quote them when convienent.

Thats what you Republicans and Democrats dont understand. You dont get to choose which parts of the constitution you like and which ones you dont.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 1 year ago

You seem to be shifting your topic. Your initial post was about Clear and how it increases the gap between haves and have nots. I agree with the statement, that it does, but fail to see it as a problem, there will always be people willing to spend money for some perceived luxury or status symbol.

The perks that lawmakers take for themselves is an entirely different issue. They have been bypassing the rules the rest of us are stuck with for decades, if not centuries. The security procedures in airports have not been challenged and found to be unconstitutional, and I don't believe anyone and made a serious legal challenge about lawmakers bypassing it.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Have not been challenged? Are you kidding me? No serious attempts? Are you kidding me?

Here is a court ruling:

"a particular airport security screening search is constitutionally reasonable provided that it 'is no more extensive nor intensive than necessary, in the light of current technology, to detect the presence of weapons or explosives.'"

Gimme a break.

[-] 1 points by ChemLady (576) 1 year ago

From that it does not look like the court blocked the security measures you find objectionable. It seems to have opened a door for the TSA to define just what is "necessary, in the light of current technology, to detect the presence of weapons or explosives".

That case may or may not make it's way through to the Supreme Court, until they rule it looks like there is nothing unconstitutional about the scanners. Either way I don't see it as having much to do with Clear.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What Boehner really needs is a breathalizer.

They should have them on WallStreet too.

http://www.thefix.com/content/wall-street-addiction-finance-cocaine-meltdown7456?page=all

Even on the London "WallStreet".

http://www.thefix.com/content/london-home-high-finance9133

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You act like this is new stuff. It isn't.

They've had some kind of speed pass for border crossing into Canada for a long time now.

They fly through customs, while every body else waits in line..

[-] 2 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Can't go wrong for $158 a year if a person travels a lot. I don't fly that much so it's not an issue with me. However when I used to frequently fly it would be worth eliminating the hassle -

I would think though that in order to get approved a "background check" similar to that of a "fireamr purchase" would be required.

One other thing I would like to add - if a person whine about this because they fly once a year then they have two options - either buy the 6 months or stop complaining.

$69 bucks won't break a person that's for sure especially when they go to Starbucks every day and spend $4.00 on a cup of coffee because it makes them feel important.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its about stripping rights and degrading the public, and then allowing them to buy their way out of it if they consent to this national ID.

Thats not what this country was set up to be. I understand your point, but this is deeper than purchase or stop complaining.

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

You are looking at it the wrong way. The problem is what's going on today with regard to the rest of the world. We never had this problem until 911 - right?

And until the people of this country get some balls this problem will not go away anytime soon. So it has nothing to do with who does this and all to do with how screwed up this country has become.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21426) 1 year ago

In this country, the rich can buy themselves, well, even the government!

[-] -2 points by queef (-69) 1 year ago

So according to the moron OTP, if you have more money you shouldn't be able to afford first class, or a bigger car, or a bigger home. Hateful liberals...resent anyone who has more than them. That will never change.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Are you getting groped and radiated as a result of buying a prius instead of a Benz?

No.

You D/R idiots dont get to pick which parts of the constitution you like to enforce, and which ones you dont.

Wake up.