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[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"However, Occupy is equally opposed to both major parties..."

Do you endorse this?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I agree that Occupy opposes both major parties.

Why? Does that confuse you?

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"equally"

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I suppose, That the article states it does not make it so, and whether Occupy opposes equally is not relevant to me.

I have no regard for Occupies position on the parties, my affinity for Occupy is related to their efforts on the issues, and their efforts to create progressive change that benefits the 99%.

You?

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

ha....

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Whasso funny?

I support replacing conservatives (of both parties) with progressives.

[-] 4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You need to understand the world we live is not l vs r, or progressive vs conservative. Its coproratism, and it needs both parties to succeed. Thats how its set up. And thats why its so successful. It takes main points of both parties, perverts them, and uses the other side as a weapon.

Not very complicated, but very effective- Carlin.

Its corporations vs the people.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I've never said anything different than it is corps against the 99%.

I would add that the only solution is the progressive approach as opposed to the conservative approach that the repubs proudly push and dems cave in and support.

Right?

You?

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The Republicans are not pushing a conservative approach.

They are pushing a war mongering, police state, big spending approach.

the Dems party, when actions are judged, are closer to the Republicans than they are to Occupy by a mile.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree!

Republicans are desperately trying to gut all spending on the pgms that benefit the 99%, As well as maintaining the conservative war mongering posture that has driven the country right for decades.

Dems are not closer to Repubs than Occupy, but too many of dems cave in to repub conservative policies.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

zzzzzzzzz

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Most conservatives don't support repubs, & most liberals don't support dems"?

Are you joking? Do you think they voted 3rd party? Cause I think they garnered under 2% of the vote between them.

No I'm sorry the country (conservative & liberal) have voted dependably & predictably for 30 years at least.

They may be "too fucking dumb" but that is pretty undeniable boss. Many people stay home every election but I understand that is mostly poor hopeless dem leaning voters.

I am certainly in agreement that Occupy represents real positive progressive action but that hasn't changed that basics of American voting patterns.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Do you think some of the actions that occupy endorse could be described as classically conservative? Founding fathers type of stuff?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Founding fathers?. Gimme a break. Why would give a shit about some old white, elitist, racist, misogynist, 1%'rs.?

In any event, my experience with OWS has been of an organization that supports progressive concepts, & solutions to improve the lives of the 99%.

I see no conservatism, (pure or otherwise)

Do you?

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think it depends on what your beliefs on occupy are, and anarchist views arent exactly coherent with some "progressive" solutions that are being presented.

Every "ism" can be tied to another "ism" one way or another.

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[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I guess that depends on what your definition of classically conservative would be.

Classically conservative, in my view, would be a refrain from massive intervention in almost every economy and military and government around the world. That would be an example, I suppose.

Its always interesting to have these conversations because all the labels, and peoples usage of them, have become the only measuring stick in many minds. Many on the right dont want anything to do with liberal-this and liberal-that, when their country was founded on many of the principles that the Democrats, the current holders - allegedly- of liberal policy - represent.

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[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Criticize away, you are chasing your own tail if the head is being led by the other one.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your not making sense. We disagree about the republicans as always.

I say they are pushing the conservative policies that are at the center of all our problems and you come running to their defense.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Im against Republicans and Democrats. Those are establishment parties.

If you think the policy the Replicans are pushing is conservative, you are insane.

If you think bankrupting the country and turning it into a police state are conservative, you are mistaken, and playing right into divide and conquer techniques.

Just because most registered Republicans are too fuckin dumb to realize this (very similiar to Democratic voters who refuse to wake up) doesnt mean we need to humor the same logic.

One doesnt lead to the other. Its a web. Occupy it.

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[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Actually most people that are conservatives arent supporting their party anymore, just like most liberals arent supporting Dems anymore.

Everyones not too dumb. Thats why action is happening. Many get it.

Do you?

Occupy the paradigm.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I wouldn't say that the folks I usually agree with oppose both parties equally. That sounds like a symptom of Main Stream Media. I would say that they oppose both parties when they are wrong. The GOP clearly wins this honor most of the time. Of course the count of Romney's outright lies were so much higher than Obama's that it was admitted by many Romney voters and right leaning pundits. You can't take contradictory positions and have them both be right. And if you swap between them multiple times..? A stopped clock is right twice a day. One that is running may be wrong forever.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I can handle that. I think the important thing to remember is that some dems usually cave in to support repubs conservative policies. But the progressive caucus includes NO republicans.

Whatever Occupy believes about the parties, they most definitely support progressive solutions that benefit the 99%