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Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 15, 2012, 6:04 p.m. EST by LeoYo (5843)
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The "Fiscal Cliff" Is a Hoax … and a Mel Brooks Routine

Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:56 By Richard Eskow, Campaign for America's Future | Op-Ed

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12744-the-fiscal-cliff-is-a-hoax-and-a-mel-brooks-routine

They’re dashing through the corridors of power in Washington with appropriately grim expressions this week. Congressional leaders are talking about the upcoming ‘fiscal cliff,’ which journalists are dutifully describing as a “looming crisis.”

In fact, if you do a Google News search for articles containing the words “fiscal cliff” and “looming” you’ll get 72,000 hits (as of Wednesday evening). We know because we tried it.

72,000 hits.

But nothing’s “looming.” Nothing. There’s just some language in a law Congress passed last year. If they don’t want it to happen they can un-pass that law. It’s a simple as that.

And do you want to know something? They don’t want it to happen.

Nobody Move

This phony crisis is a lot like this scene in Mel Brooks’ Blazing Saddles, where Cleavon Little as The Sheriff pretends to take himself hostage to escape an angry crowd. You may remember the gag line, which included a word we won’t use: “Nobody move or the $^((&^( gets it.”

Brooks crafts his throwaway lines pretty carefully, too. Look for the earnest man who says “I think he means it,” or the woman in the crowd who says “Won’t somebody help that poor man?”

Here’s how the “fiscal cliff” scam’s being played: Congressional Republicans are holding the guns to their own heads. Democrats are the town leaders, dutifully laying their weapons down.

And the American media are the gullible townfolk, carefully writing in their notebooks about the “looming” threat to their sheriff.

Johnny Law

Viewers of MSNBC know that progressives like Chris Hayes and Lawrence O’Donnell are dutifully trying to remove the word “cliff” from the nomenclature, since the effects of this law would be gradual — more like a “slope,” as they said the other night. They’re right about the “slope” part.

But it’s a tactical mistake to even engage in this kind of discussion, because there’s really no “slope” either. There’s just a law.

John Boehner’s law.

Sure, the President agreed to that law as part of a deal to settle deficit talks last year. At the time the Republicans were about to shut down the entire government. The GOP forced this law into existence. That means the “fiscal cliff” is theirs. They own it.

Anyone who opposes disastrous, European-style austerity measures needs to stop talking about this in urgent terms. And nobody should characterize it as anything but what it really is: A deed performed by Republicans in Congress, which the same Congress can easily reverse.

That’s not just more accurate. It also places the responsibility for this pseudo-crisis exactly where it belongs.

A Gun to the Head

The motives for the hoax are easy to understand. As a Campaign for America’s Future/Democracy Corps poll reaffirmed after the election, the public overwhelmingly opposes any of the fiscal measures being negotiated as the result of this fictitious “crisis.” A majority of voters, cutting across party lines, opposes virtually all of the ideas being discussed – including cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits, and reductions in anti-poverty programs.

Voters strongly support some steps that aren’t being debated because of this phony “crisis,” like increased investment in jobs and economic growth. These negotiations are likely have the opposite effect instead, leading to more cuts in these programs. In fact, of the many “debt deal” provisions being debated today, only tax increases for the wealthiest Americans have the majority’s approval.

No wonder Congressional Republicans are holding a gun to their own heads.

Unfortunately it’s pointed at our heads too. If Republicans get their way the entire country will be hit with austerity cuts that increase the poverty rates, hurt most people’s standard of living, and create even more unemployment.

This phony crisis is the GOP’s way of saying “Nobody move or the country gets it.” And if the public doesn’t make its voice heard, it will.

Manhattan Transfer

Here’s more proof that both the “fiscal cliff” and the “emergency” deficit talks surrounding it are a fraud: They include two issues that don’t belong in a deficit discussion at all. One’s Social Security, which is forbidden by law from contributing to the national deficit. The other is the scam known as tax “reform” and “tax code simplification” – which, in plain English, means a lowering of top tax rates for millionaires and billionaires – supposedly in return for reduced “tax expenditures” and increased “tax revenues” to be named at a later date.

Why would deficit talks include two ideas that won’t reduce the national debt, especially when “tax simplification” will undoubtedly increase that debt substantially? That’s an easy one: Because this phony “crisis” has nothing to do with deficits.

It’s a;; part of a long-range plan to scam the public into transferring even more of its wealth to the wealthiest among us: first by giving them lower tax rates, and then by cutting a program the public has already paid into. That way there’ll be less pressure to increases taxes on the wealthy later on. (They may also want to raid Social Security’s trust fund to pay for the deficits caused by their tax breaks.) These “deficit” moves would transfer even more of our national treasure to the extremely rich – including those on Wall Street who created our economic crisis in the first place. That, and not a “fiscal cliff,” is what’s “looming.”

The Phony-Crisis Industry

In the past the President has sometimes seemed willing, even eager, to press for a larger “Grand Bargain.” He’s taking a tougher line today, especially about taxes on the wealthy, and should be applauded for that. He should also be urged to take an equally strong position on Medicare and Social Security, which he hasn’t done yet.

Everyone involved needs to understand that, thanks to some new fiscal and electoral math, the anti-austerity team is holding the winning hand now.

It’s true that a tougher Presidential stand would disappoint some people, especially the highly-paid professional “deficit hawks” from both parties. That includes people like former Clinton White House functionary Erskine Bowles, who ghoulishly described this artificial crisis as a “magic moment” to impose austerity measures on the American people.

Bowles is a Director of bailed-out investment bank Morgan Stanley. That means that, unlike most Americans, he would do very well under the lower tax rates proposed in these “deficit” discussions. A repudiation of this pseudo-crisis would also embarrass professional scaremongers like Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who warned of “big financial market repercussions” if the nation goes over the “cliff.” But we haven’t seen any repercussions before. The word for talk like that is “nonsense.” (Well, that’s one word for it.) Nobody’s going over any “cliff,” least of all the Republicans.

Dare Ya

Let’s be clear: It would be a bad thing if the provisions in this bill took effect for any length of time. But it’s time to call Boehner’s bluff. Good Democrats can’t let themselves be railroaded into austerity by this phony crisis, while the other kind – the Erskine Bowles Democrats – shouldn’t be allowed to use it as cover.

Boehner knows he’s in a weak position, which is why Republicans have quietly been looking for ways to delay the “cliff.” Democrats should take note of that and recognize the motives behind it. The President should go on television and say to Congress: If you won’t accept the will of the people, undo your reckless law. Democrats on the Hill should insist on up-or-down votes for provisions that the public wants. This charade won’t stop until the GOP’s bluff is called.

Boehner insists that Congressional Republicans, along with everybody else, are standing on a “cliff.” It’s time somebody dared them to jump.

This piece was reprinted by Truthout with permission or license.

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[-] 2 points by gsw (2867) 1 year ago

Email Republican leader below, these jerks are ignoring the will of the people.

Offering the same crap the people rejected in the election.

What is it going to take to stop these guys.

They just want to protect the1 percent. The people voted against their wacky austerity.

Wake up GOP you lost the election.

At least corporate earnings are up, wages at all time low.

How can country progress when reality is not a factor. Look out for the curb.

I hate to put it all on one party.

Freaken jerks.

Ok everyone. Send boehner a text that (he is dipshit. ) he needs to implement the will of the people, now!

http://boehner.house.gov/contact/

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Amen!!!

The time to feel bad about the RepubliCons complete culpability in this one of many unnecessary problems/messes/disasters was 30+ years ago when they devolved from a legitamate American political party to a Cult with a greed-addled few in the 1% as their Charley Manson!!!

The Cons do not care about this country or it's people. They hate democracy! They hate Truth, Justice and the American way! They just work to serve their 1% leaders and nothing else matters. They are suicide bombers in the public square, so Dems are forced to negotiate with them, even capitulate to save lives.

This election we dodged a deadly federal bullet, but ALEC and their Cons have seized a significant number of states, where they can cause/inflict just as much harm and possibly more. This is not a time to relax, this is a time to get busy, make a new beginning. The Cons are busy attacking everything and anything they can!! Tying up Congress, Sabotaging the POTUS, disregarding and usurping the will of the people, silencing the opposition, and voter suppression.

Let's all get going, NOW!!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Although ALEC lost Pepsi, Coke, Kraft , and others -
they are too big to fail
And even if the lost 90% of their companies, koch can sneeze up the balance


BUT
Thanks to OWS and the flood of recent PR and zimmerman -
the stench of alec is becoming much more conspicuous


If you think you know America’s biggest threat,
..Koch ?
….Norquist ?
……Iran ?
………Boehner ?
………...McConnell ?
……………Murdoch ?

you are wrong –
……spend ten minutes with each of these


American Legislative Exchange Council

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.alecwatch.org/
http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection
http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/whos-behind-nras-stand-your-ground.html
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120411/OPINION03/204110317/1008/opinion01/Public-right-skeptical-ALEC


ALEC Corporate member list may not be up to date
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations


2000 ALEC politicians by state they have lost a few! http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Politicians


.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID


And FYI –

ALEC is doing everything they can do to create
a new constitutional convention [Article V Convention]
that can propose virtually anything:

All public schools – privatized
All medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity – privatized
No cap gains tax
EPA – gone
No corporate tax
Guns for all
No inheritance tax
No labor unions

ALEC owns 2000 state politicians – Koch’s tp owns 50 house members How hard would it be for them to buy 50-100 constitutional convention delegates?


Tell me – what else do you think an Article V Convention could do?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Here is a good approach for OWS to consider in dealing with tax fairness (fiscal cliff) and any other Occupy agenda item. This list of pols should be targeted for all our sakes.

http://www.nationofchange.org/fiscal-cliff-politics-dems-target-gop-house-members-1355993934

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

very glad to see the dems fighting hardball

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

In less than 2 years they will be trying to take the house back. I believe they need 17 seats.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

good number to know
are you going to run?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Not me. I inhaled, repeatedly.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I've been told - inhaling facilitates life

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Indeed. Some illegal (still) substance inhalation enhance life but precludes successful election.

;)

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

tell that to Bill & Barack

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're right. I guess I don't have that ambition. Perhaps for my poli sci major Daughter!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

I just Flew in from Las Vegas and boy are my arms tired...

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff...yes it seems we are not gonna get christmas this year....

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, the guys that are printing the money are gettin' tired.

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, the bankers just type in the amounts in new loans, but ...what it is a striker or somethin'...

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, The government create the money out of thin air for 42 years and it has worked, but some people are saying that is a bad idea, and it is a quick sure death.

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, we've had a central bank since 1934 in the depression, we were the last country to go off the gold standard and the last country to recover from the 1920s depression... Now some guy comes up and says, "No that was not a good idea. We can not continue in the future in the same manner as we have in the last 78 years in the USA."

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, remember when the people with gold had the upper hand and they could say if you could get a loan ... well, yeah, they want to go back to that.

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, I was walking down the street, a guy came up to me and said, "I'll buy your dollars off you for .75 cents, since we are in a deflation". "But your gonna owe me big time".

Have you heard about the fiscal cliff, I was in a bar and a sailor came in with a priest and a banker. The banker said,"have you got your money protected by investing in a Treasury Inflation Protected US Bond?" ... and I said no. He said, "dumb ass, fu**in give me your money or you'll go broke next year... or are ya deaf?!"

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Will America react like Greece.... or just lay back and accept it?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Perhaps the "Grand Compromise" that the D's & R's are about to make in this lame duck session will be the catalyst for people to finally say "ENOUGH" of this extraction. If not, we deserve what we get! We've got to get mad and declare " I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore " :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

'Fiscal Cliff' BS

Should people panic and listen to defense contractors (and the Republicans and Democrats they fund) who care claiming that cuts to the defense budget would break the military? How about Wall Street lobbyists, the healthcare industry, and the Washington Media? The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks down the debate over automatic budget cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUaUt7QMwM

The “Fiscal Cliff” Scam Unmasked– In Clear English

An admirably cogent and accessible explanation of why the so called “fiscal cliff” is pure political fear mongering in the form of an audio interview between Harry Shearer aka Ned Flanders and an actual economist, Dr. Stephanie Kelton. The Democrats and Republicans would strongly prefer you not understand this lesson in fundamental economics. The upcoming “Grand Bargain” between Obama and the GOP led House isn’t about protecting the dollar or the country’s solvency but about destroying/privatizing the social safety net, privatizing education and essentially gutting or destroying all government except “defense” so that already obscenely rich people can become even more obscenely rich. Um, guess who are paying for both the D & R campaigns? Those same obscenely rich people.

http://my.firedoglake.com/kurtsperry/2012/10/29/the-fiscal-cliff-scam-unmasked-in-clear-english/

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/ls/ls121028le_show_-_october_28

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Trust Bernie He knows better than most!

http://www.bernie.org/uncategorized/the-people-have-spoken/

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I saw this and have already signed his petition. It's not Bernie that concerns me; it's the other 99. He understands that we could lose this fight, which I imagine is why he started this petition.

Plouffe lays out WH thinking on the fiscal cliff

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/plouffe-lays-out-wh-thinking-on-fiscal.html?m=1

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah great petition. Gotta pressure the White House to fight for progressive approach.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am concerned about the White House caving as it has before also. This story was only a little encouraging.

http://www.nationofchange.org/white-house-rules-social-security-out-fiscal-cliff-talks-1354111853

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I heard both BO & Plouffe say they wanted to do something big, to "fix" things for the next 10-20 yrs. They also said they want to lower corporate taxes. Plouffe said it can be done in a way where the rich could actually pay less tax. They also want to raise revenue. Seems like fuzzy math to me.

I also heard that they're not including SS in these talks, which is promising, but don't be surprised if they eliminate the mortgage deduction in the name of closing loopholes. Not surprising because few of the wealthy have a mortgage.

This really is speculation and we'll just have to see how it plays out, but whatever the nobles final plan is, it should highly scrutinized to determine their intentions. Cheers

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Benefit the 99% during the fiscal cliff battle:

Remember:

  • hold your ground on increasing wealthy tax rates

  • No deal is better than a bad deal.

  • Force vote on tax cuts for the 99%

  • Do not cut the safety net for the 99%.

  • Do not cut investments in edu, job training, research, infrastructure job creation

  • Cut military, & corp welfare.

  • Do not cut deficit while unemployment is high.

http://front.moveon.org/dear-democrats-please-stick-to-these-8-principles-from-robert-reich

[-] -1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I agree with ALL of that, especially cutting corp welfare. The government allows, or more appropriately, enables corporations to rob our treasury. How can 45.3% of a company's profits come from our treasury without it being considered theft?

One Example:

General Electric -

'08-'10 Profit: $10,460,000,000

'08-'10 Tax: $-4737,000,000

'08-'10 Rate: -45.3%

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-the-30-american-companies-that-paid-less-than-zero-income-tax-from-2008-2010-2011-11?op=1

In the 1950s revenue from the federal corporate income tax averaged about 5 percent of GDP per year. Last decade, corporate tax revenue averaged just 2 percent of GDP annually. Since 2009, corporate tax revenue has averaged just 1.2 percent, the lowest three-year average in American postwar history!

http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2011/06/pdf/low_tax_graphs.pdf

Reich is right! Now watch what happens ;(

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I expect to be disappointed in the end, although I've been pleasantly surprised by the 1st Dem proposal.

I suppose if enough people demonstrated for progressive approach we might help push this fiscal cliff deal our way, but Occupy doesn't do that.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I see a day in the near future, that they'll make it illegal to demonstrate. Besides, I don't think protesting matters much anyway, because they don't care what we think. They are the nobles and we are the serfs. It won't change until we make the change.

“The amount of tyranny you get, is the exact amount you put up with.” - TJ

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree. Protesting is critical. It is the last best hope for taking our govt back from the 1% oligarchs.

The only problem is getting enough struggling but fearful people to join us. Too many are hypnotized by sports, reality TV, & consumerism. that they ignore or remain unaware of their predicament. They've been conditioned to just accept the limited life they've scrapped out. And they're afraid to take a stand for fear of losing what little they have.

But protest is critical and in fact "protest is the expression of our refusal to put up with tyranny" VQKAG

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I'm glad you're an optimist (I used to be), but I don't think they will allow protestors to interfere with their plans. They've already passed this bill:

Obama signs anti-protest Trespass Bill -

http://rt.com/usa/news/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/

The last best hope for taking our govt back from the 1% oligarchs is revolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLt9OXFQ0M

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Non violent protest is the only acceptable option.

We must agitate to change that law.

Isn't Russian TV biased against us?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Revolution does not have to equate to violence.

http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_Intro_DT.aspx

RT is bias against the "Spin Doctors" on our main stream media, as am I. Shit, even congress tried passing a bill legalizing lies from congress to the people, so I should trust them?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/new-bill-legalizes-government-propaganda-and-disinformation-on-american-citizens/

Whatever you believe the necessary course to be Depends on who you 'trust' to identify the enemy - JB

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I remember the Nebraska nuclear plant flood threat & I didn't get the news from Russian TV.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/us/21flood.html

See that. And I think you can find other sources as well. In any event our msm is clearly in collusion with our govt/corp oligrachs, but I know that Russian tv is no better. They have there own oligrachs y'know.

And you can't be serious about Russian tv reporting on Libya (or Syria) Russia has had an interest in keeping the respective brutal dictators in power for decades. That's a mighty big grain of salt.

I enjoy RT but they ain't more reliable than our coopted MSM. Just a source fro the opposite oligarchal community.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I concede, I didn't read the NYT but at the time it was happening, I saw no reporting of it on TV news. Cheers

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have a healthy skepticism of congress, (all pols) MSM and any info source. Even alternative/independent.

But RT is not independent right? Aren't they an arm of Russia.?

Are you suggesting we should trust and not question RT news?

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

First let me state " I do not take ANY report, from Any news agency, without a grain of salt. All have an agenda, one way or another." If I'm interested in the subject being reported, I do more research in order to form an opinion. I also try to leave room for the fact that my opinion, could be totally wrong. I think everyone requires a different level of information and verification before they consider any reported story "true".

That being said, I have noticed that RT in the past has reported on important topics or news stories that our main stream media have blacked-out. If they alert me of a story that's not being covered on the main stream media, I will look for verification.

Remember the flooding in Nebraska 1 1/2 yrs ago? This story was blacked-out by our national news media, but carried by RT. Only after researching further on local news channels, did I discover how close we were to losing that state.

Nuclear Power - We almost Lost Nebraska

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NidxieeUl4

Another story that the MSM blacked-out is NDAA. The only anchor that I heard mention it was Cenk Uygur on Current TV, and that was limited. RT also report a completely different story about what was happening in Libya that makes much more sense than what was reported here. These are just some examples.

To me, it is obvious that our MSM and government has partnered together to try to "create" or "direct" public opinion.

Personally, I think this guy has great insight -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLt9OXFQ0M

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think it is more likely their will be SS changes than elimination of mtg deduction. But we'll see. I'm preparing for some disappointment because Dems always cave in and compromise to the uncompromising conservatives.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

You may be right but it wouldn't make sense because SS doesn't affect the deficit one way or another; but eliminating the mortgage deduction would increase revenue and that's what they're looking for. I'm preparing for some disappointment because the people that buy our government, buys both sides.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I know that SS is off budget but if their is some 'grand bargain', then repubs will try to hit SS.

Certainly the repubs have hit Medicare with their counter offer yesterday. I don't think either side will hit the Mtg deduction, because it is too helpful to banksters, and economic activity.

So far I am pleased with the dem offer/posture. I hope they stand their ground, & even allow us to 'go over the cliff' if necessary.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

What we want, and what we get, will probably be two different things. The elections are over, and the ONLY way to affect change within the present system, is with deep pockets full of money. It's the ONLY language that our elected officials understand. I hope I'm proven wrong.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Even though a few pols have integrity most do not. We should behave as if they're all bought.

We must get in the street and pressure ALL pols for the change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I'm with ya

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

The fiscal cliff is real - for grover
good riddance

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Grover is a poopy head!

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

don't insult poopy heads

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. You're right. My bad. I apologize to all the poopy heads.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Is it possible to insult poopyheads? Does not the attempt get lost in the shittheyhaveforbrains?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Grover gives great PH!!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Really good piece, I think he left out one of the best parts of the scene, when Cleavon Little gets into the barn turns around and says "they sure are dumb". Because we should not forget that the GOP have been saying that about the American people for decades.

[-] -1 points by freewriterguy (882) 1 year ago

Yep 16 trillion in debt will be a great blessing to our economy, meanwhile corporations have 26 trillion stashed away in off shore accounts. HMMMM, reminds me of the constitution...'We the people in order to form a PERFECT UNION..., establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility... yep all is well in zion!! LOL

[-] -1 points by Kinetica (14) from Houston, TX 1 year ago

The fiscal cliff is real.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Real bullshit, created by repubs in a weak attempt to save tax cuts for the wealthy.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They will make sure they keep the slow decline going for as long as possible. We are 12 years into the decay of society, and the people have yet to step up to the challenge.

Keep em distracted, and keep em blaming someone besides themselves.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Please sign the petition to support Bernie Sanders efforts to help the 99%

http://democracyforamerica.com/petitions/1?t=bernie3

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Support progressive change that benefits the 99%

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Do you think Boehner would cry if his CEO puppet masters' taxes got raised? Fuck that guy.

“Highly-paid CEOs are in town to tell America how to avoid the ‘fiscal cliff.’

“The top priority of the ‘Fix the Debt CEOs’ is to cut the essential commitments of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. No skin off their noses. Sorry, you 50 million Americans who are in poverty. Too bad, you millions of children, elderly, and poor who rely on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Unemployed? You are just out of luck if you lose unemployment benefits.

“These 71 CEOs who come to Washington to preach fiscal austerity have average retirement assets of $9.1 million. That’s about a $65,000 pension check each month for the rest of their lives. In contrast, the average monthly Social Security check for retired workers is $1,237.

“Of all these debt cutting CEOs, only two have sufficient assets in their company’s pension funds to meet their obligations to their own workers. The rest who pay any pension at all have underfunded their workers’ pension funds by $103 billion.

“Those who have already shoved their own retiring workers off the fiscal cliff want to do it to the rest of the middle class and poor. NO WAY.”

  • Dennis Kucinich
[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well it's more than just Boehner standing with those CEO's. It is the entire republican caucus.

Only the Dems in congress stand against those ceo goals. Only the dems fight for the earned benefits at risk by ceo/republican austerity plans.

The parties are vastly different. We must pressure all pols to support the 99%.

This is what we must do:

http://front.moveon.org/dear-democrats-please-stick-to-these-8-principles-from-robert-reich

[-] -3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Fuck off. Stop trolling me.

Put your bumper stickers somewhere else.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Please disavow the Nazi comparison to Pres Obama you linked to. Or claim support for it.

[-] -3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

stop trolling me

Oh and fuck off

I never claimed to support any of that. So fuck off

You are just ignorant and chose to try and switch topics.

You did not read a single word I posted on HR 4310.

Search HR 4310 on the forum. You'll get the same fucking results.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't doubt I would get the same results. I wouldn't link to it though if it had nazi comparisons to the President. You did, and so should disavow it.

I read all your comments on the hopeless obscure bill. You didn't mention who has prevented it from coming to a vote! I guess that ain't so important to you. As always (& as all your comments prove) you are silent on republican guilt on indef detention and hr 4310.

Disavow the nazi comparison to Pres Obama you linked to.

[-] -3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

seriously dude just stop trolling me.

At this point you're just harassing people.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I consider the offensive Nazi comparison to Pres Obama you linked to the height of harassment.

Please disavow it or confirm your support for it.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I never called Obama a Nazi you dumb fuck.

Take your problem up with the user who posted that. I told you to read my link on HR 4310. I never told you to go read someone else's post and then blame me for their words.

Now fuck off

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You linked to a Nazi comparison to Pres Obama and told me to read it all. I assumed it was one of your sock puppets.

You admitted linking to it, & claimed it was an accident, which is why I can't understand why you won't disavow it. Unless you do support it. Do you?

Please disavow it.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I linked you to forum search results on "HR 4310"

You read someone's post that was not mine.

Fuck off and stop trolling me.

And here's something you can quote me on "Fuck Obama. Fuck You. And fuck all the other corrupt members of government, yes this includes a fuck ton of republicans, fuck all those that support legislation and monetary policy that is literally giving trillions of dollars to the big banks that are destroying the economy with 1% policies. Fuck their assault on civil liberties and equal rights, and fuck their illegal use of drones!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

meaningless fuck spewing in place of actual criticism of republicans whose actual actions threaten our rights.

Silentrev. Fuck!

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Next stop Syria! Look out they have WMD's!!!

So does Iran! Quick destroy a civilian economy and brag about it!

Policy is the issue.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sounds like you want us to invade another mideast country!

Are you disappointed that we haven't yet? Will you be happy if we do?

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You are dishonestly sabotaging the 99%, claiming all pols are just like the Cons, smoke screening the real culprits of the 1% tyranny OWS was started to overthrow!!!

Be a smoke screener, be a confusion merchant, be a unicorn wrangler, just be honest about it!! Admit you could not care less about effecting real change regrading the 1% tyranny we are here to overthrow!!!

And go fuck your useless self!

[-] -3 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

VQkag2 is an idiot and should be banned

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Fuck you. Better people have tried and failed!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

TM, you are the troll!

Con MO #1: Recriminate/Project what you are on everybody else!!!

[-] -3 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

What we have here is a failure to communicate: one, Americans are opposed not only to tax increases but taxes in general; two, we are opposed to that national debt that ensures the enslavement to government of our future generations; three, we are opposed to the foreign sale of that national debt; four, we are opposed to the redistribution of our dollars for any special interest whatsoever: if it does not serve the cause of all then it is theft; five, we are opposed to cuts to care for the elderly and the infirm or disabled.

We are opposed to the notion of a governing body committed to borrowing rather than investment; we are opposed to the notion that government bureaucracy can effectively create or manage those corporations necessary to generate wealth; we are opposed to a national statism.

What we have here is two parties of opposition: one is Dem, the other is Rep; I do not accept the notion that either inhabits the moral high ground; the American people are at war with government and change in allies is but a reflection.

[-] 3 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

You tend to speak in absolutes. Not all Americans are oppossed to tax increases, and as a matter of fact, 60% of them are in favor of tax increases for the wealthy. And just because these "all-inclusive Americans" you are talking about are opposed to something does not mean that that opposition is the correct course of action for the country to take to rectify its severe socio-economic mess. Conservatives need to take their heads out of the sand (or wherever else their heads might be) and wake-up to the realities that they refuse to face simply because they wish to continue with their gravy-train lifestyle that they have enjoyed for the last 30 years at the expense of the middle-class.

[+] -4 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I have never so much as boarded the gravy train, and this is not about "conservative" - this is about self preservation. No tax ever has ever landed wholly on the rich and it never will. More tax is not the moral high ground and it should not be painted in that light.

This is a corrupt government and they are our enemy; if you want solution then let's do solution, if you want to play politics - rich against poor - then let's slap the rich.

[-] 5 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

According to this article, "In 1960, the top rate was 91%, but it applied to the those making $400,000 a year — equivalent to $3 million in today’s dollars when adjusted for inflation."

That's what needs to happen again. You may not be on that gravy train, but the Rich are and they need to get off that train and pay their share of the ride that they have been enjoying at the expense of everyone else. But NOOOOOOOOO!!!! They are screaming about taxes as if we were trying to flail the flesh from their backs. They are selfish misers, and people have wised up to their bullshit rationales and voodoo trickledown lies!!!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good post - not all of the wealthy are insane. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/patriotic-millionaires-fiscal-cliff-taxes … Please share/circulate.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 1 year ago

This article anther propaganda by the rich, I don`t believe it

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

Yes I saw that article DK, and thanks for providing it again. These people in your article are TRUE patriots deserving of our admiration for their courage to stand up against their own class who choose to resist and continue in their miserly ways. The Patriotic Millionaires know the truth and are not afraid to speak it. They deserve some kind of medal for their courage.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

As well as a declaration of good mental health from the American Medical Association?

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

The anti-tax jihadists are not insane, just incredibly narcissistic and selfish. And they don't really care what happens to the rest of the country as long as they are left alone to play in their money bins like Scrooge McDuck. In that regard, they are unpatriotic and should be indicted for treason if you ask me. After all, a person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor. Are these McDuck anti-tax jihadists not traitors when they have the means to improve the fiscal health of the country, however meager, and resist/refuse to do so? What else can one call such resistance?

Soak the rich? Your goddamn right!!!!!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Does the public really think that there is no problem with greed driving this country into the mud? Or is that just more BS propaganda from the "greedy" wealthy - trying to keep anyone from uniting to say - enough is enough?

Treason? I think that fits. I mean what else is the hoarding/hiding of over thirty trillion dollars in off shore accounts? Sucking the economy dry. Is that not economic sabotage? Is that not an attempt to sink the USA's economic structure? What other reason to hide that kind of money off shore - out of the economy - to what "other" purpose/intent???????

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

Yes. In different times they might be hanged. If they have off-shored their assets anyway then I say lets boot them the hell out. They aren't doing us any good here anyway. If they love their money so much then let them go live wherever they have stashed it. What the hell are they still doing here? Obviously enjoying their high standard of opulence without giving anything in return. Bloodsuckers living off the sweat of the shrinking middle-class.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tapeworms - parasites that are doing their utmost to kill the host.

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

That's the image that comes to my mind.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34903) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Horrible disgusting sick picture - but it fits.

[-] -3 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Yea but the problem is that you are unwittingly promoting the rich; you have become their tool.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Support fiscal policy that benefits the 99%

http://nysaflcio.org/ProtectOurFuture/

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

How am I promoting the rich? I am doing everything in my verbal power to denounce them for their arrogant and selfish Scrooge McDuck behavior. How am I promoting them?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The American people (the 99%) are at war with the 1% oligarchs.

We MUST take our govt back from the 1% and have it serve us.

We reject the false conservative fear mongering regarding deficit/debt. The priority is job creation, cutting taxes/debt for the working class, & fighting for higher wages.

YOU are not speaking for the 99% if you support the false fear mongering, fake crisis ofthe "fiscal cliff".

Don't be afraid! It ain't a cliff. It's a slope. We'll be fine!

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Lipservice, Americans - all of us - are tired of the lipservice.... give us our manufacturers back, create ten million jobs, rebuild regional economies, grow the tax base. And eliminate this debt. Everything else is just lipservice very specifically designed to empower the few over the many.

And if you can't do that... then mail me my check - I want 10k a month for every head of household in this country.

Way too conservative for you, right? Survival is a conservative effort.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't know if that is conservative. A bit disjointed. In any event I certainly agree with the 10k manu jobs, growing tax base. good! Paying debt?, ok. as long as we don't hurt the programs that serve the 99%

No one is sending you or me a check. ($10k ain't nearly enough)