Forum Post: The Current Trajectory Is Apocalypse
Posted 11 years ago on March 14, 2013, 3:32 a.m. EST by quantumystic
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from Memphis, TN
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Economic and environmental apocalypse is inevitable given the current trajectory. The corporate and banking hegemony are in complete control of the political and economic apparatus. A significant percentage of the populace is either disenfranchised or completely unengaged in the political and economic process. The war on terror is quickly morphing into the war on dissent. The erosion of civil liberties, the degradation of the environment, the slow kill implosion of our economy are steadily marching the American people in locked goosestep towards the dawn of our dystopic present. Have a nice day.
Aw, I’m so weary of hearing all this SHTF scare talk. To say it bluntly, it’s just bullshit. Ain’t gonna happen. Ever since Obama took office people are running around yelling “buy guns, lots of ammo, learn to live off the grid, doom is upon up”. The fact is the US is probably the most stable country in the world when thinking about civil unrest and economic disaster.
Get a grip folks. We are pulling out of a recession. The economy looks good for most people. There is nothing in the cards indicating society is about to unravel.
What are your thoughts on climate change?
What are your thoughts on the fact that Goldman Sachs and the banks run your government? Corporate lobbyists writing legislation. Banks have captured control of our monetary system, did a long time ago. They are too big to jail, HSBC. What's going to stop them from steam rolling this nation now? They just got told they can break the law as long as they pay the occasional fine that barely equals a month's profits. There have been no break-ups. And no attempts. No usage of anti-trust laws that have obviously been violated.
Americans have 1.7 billion forms of electronic communication tracked stored and transcribed by the NSA everyday.
You think the economy is fine for the same reason Shepherd Smith does when he freaked out over the DOW and S&P. Maybe you should know the S&P is facing a lawsuit for giving out bullshit ratings.
20 billion in bonuses for wall street while we have rising commodities prices, overall inflation, and stagnant wages.
We're replacing good paying jobs with low paying service jobs.
It's not Obama's fault. The corporate takeover has been working hard for years. He is just one of their many puppets. The corporations took over the White House starting with Reagan. They've been deep in the decision making for a long time. Their powers have only grown stronger over time. We couldn't even get a public option system even thought the people wanted it. They privatized that instead and everyone is silent as Alan Grayson is pushing a public option RIGHT NOW.
We have corporate sponsored candidates at a state level bankrupting local governments to force them and manufacture public consent for privatization.
The corporate takeover is real. Wall Street destroying the economy is real. Monetary policy being based around a fraud is real. Wars still based on lies.
If you want to act like shit's just getting better, wait til the next bubble pops. The DOW and S&P were at it highest in 2007 before they sank in 2008.
Still no reversal of any corporate backed legislation that helped create this mess. Nothing implemented to get us out of this corrupt system either.
But go ahead and defend the corrupt corporations by acting like everything is becoming hunky dory.
I’m not defending corporations, Wall Street, NSA or insurance companies or whatever. My point is there’s nothing to indicate the economy is failing; or that society is about to crumble. No need to start prepping for a lawless land and predatory citizens.
Yea, corporations are corrupt. Financial institutions take advantage and politicians are puppets. So what’s new. That doesn’t mean it’s going to become every man for himself and the biggest gun survives. The economy has failed in several countries and it and they mostly work it out.
So, I’m not building a bunker, buying guns and ammo a stockpiling food. No need for it unless a hurricane is coming.
tell that to 2007.
tell that to the wars for the petrodollar and oil.
Listing corruption and then asking "So what's new?" What a cop out of a question.
Who said it's going to be every man for himself and that it's going to become road warrior?
You dollar is worth less ever year. Wages are stagnant and corporations are taking over. They run our government. But yeah, everything is just fine. LOL
“Economic and environmental apocalypse is inevitable given the current trajectory”
Your above statement is simply not true. That’s what I’m saying. Your statement does imply a “road warrior” world country.
I agree it could get bad. Maybe along the lines of Greece or Venezuela. It’s a remote possibility, but not likely. I understand you saying that government is bad and corporations are worse. But that’s always been the case. It’s good to want to clean it up.
But your assertion is the US will become a 3rd world. There is nothing that leads to that conclusion. Nothing wrong with trying to rally the troops against corruption. But to suggest it will cause an “environmental apocalypse” is vapor ware.
road warrior was post apocalyptic warscape. Not the same thing as economic collapse. The poor are getting poorer. It's been on a steady trend. Inflation continues. Everything has a breaking point. And nothing is actually being done to solve any of the problems. No reform. No prosecutions for fraud. No nothing.
If you want to pretend like climate change isn't going to bring catastrophe in the future, that's your deal. Heat waves. Floods. Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Droughts. More and more powerful. And many ecosystem failures.I highly suggest Storms of My Grandchildren by James Hansen. I just started reading it. Real good so far. Many ecosystems can and will collapse if nothing is curbed.
it doesn't sound like we disagree on the problems, but we disagree on how dangerous they are.
I can’t address climate change. I’m not versed on the topic, so can’t debate it either way. But for economic failure, I just don’t see another major depression or people living in 3rd world conditions in the US. Yes, we will continue to have economic up’s and down’s, some people will prosper while others go broke. It’s always been that way.
Research Camden, Research Immokalee. Maybe try reading a book on it too. I recommend Days of Destruction Days of Revolt by Chris Hedges where he goes to such cities and interviews people who live there. Shanty towns and tent cities are already in several places in America.
We already have third world lifestyle in America in several cities. But go ahead and act like it can't happen.
You should really look into the future of climate change.
I found the following quote from Chris Hedges to be rather fitting to this post.
It's all a part of this very rapid descent into a frightening form of corporate totalitarianism. And that is just writ large across the landscape. And as we go down—and they know we're going down. Look, I mean, you know, these forces are cannibalistic. Forty percent of the summer Arctic sea ice melts, and here we're literally watching the death throes of the planet, and these corporations, like Shell, look at it as a business opportunity. They know only one word, and that's "more." They have commodified everything. Human beings are commodities, disposable commodities. The ecosystem is a disposable commodity. And they will—now with no impediments, they will push and push and push. It makes Herman Melville's Moby Dick, which I'm just re-reading, the most prescient study of the American character, because we're all on the Pequod, and Ahab's running the ship. And as Ahab said, "My means and my methods are sane, and my object is mad." And they're not going to stop themselves. The formal mechanisms of power are not going to stop them. It's up to us.
http://truth-out.org/video/item/14515-michael-moore-chris-hedges-on-challenging-ndaa-indefinite-detention-and-the-corporate-coup
everything is upside down.
You make several assumptions in this post.
The most obvious being that the US is at the centre of the known universe.
It is the center of the universe. They are no assumptions they are observations there is a difference.
Your universe only.
The two emerging superpowers are China and India.
That is where most of your merchandise comes from, and that is where all of your jobs have gone to.
Don't make me laugh, you obviously don't know anything about their economies or internal structural problems that will prevent them from ever attaining super power status. Sure they will be used as a red herring but that is all.
I'm not after a laugh.
You've been here over a year without realising that your leaders have been lying to you for decades? That surprises me.
I don't believe those schmucks either. A careful examination of technological and economic trends suggests that mass job losses are just around the corner for the developing world as robotic innovations accelerate and internal corruption prevents them from implementing alternative strategies.
And that fills you with confidence for a revival of America's former glory, right?
Maybe you're training up for robotics, and wishing this imagined future your way?
A "careful examination" of developing trends suggest the developing market is in SE Asia, and the captains of that development are offshoring their investment profits to the Caymans.
I sincerely hope that doesn't compromise your plans, but that is the reality, my friend.
You obviously lack a comprehensive world view. SE asia has been declining for the last 3 years. This decline has begun to accelerate as western manufacturing begins to return to the west as the increase in robotic applications expands.