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Forum Post: SYRIA - the 10% stick

Posted 7 months ago on Sept. 5, 2013, 7:36 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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We must attack because we must prove our commitment to stop poison gas attacks - and Assad will stop the gas attacks because of the attacks

OR

We must not attack because we must avoid the quagmire

OR

If the House or Senate are 10% short of approving an attack & Obama does NOT attack, Assad will stop the gas attacks because of the "10%" threat of attacks


walk softly and carry a big stick - the 10% stick

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

tl; dr

[-] -2 points by broncoze (-126) 7 months ago

Thursday: Assad is as bad as Hitler and we have the moral obligation to stop him

Friday: umm he's bad and legally I can stop him but I'm going to let these other guys decide

Saturday: hey world, this whole red line business is your deal, not mine. Don't look at me.

And you think he's gaining status? The faster this farce goes away, the better

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 months ago

and if assad, goes away, whats next ? I certainly see assad = hitlr = mao = stalin etc etc etc.
but if assad is killed, millions of alawites will be slaughtered

and who controls the chemical weapons stockpiles ?

I do NOT know the answer, but I cannot see any "American only" involvement producing positive results.
The only solution is America + Russia + Iran + China

assad & the minority Alawites are fighting for their existence
consider what would have happened in South Africa without Mandella

their are too many groups ( each a minority ) who want all of Syria -
from fundamentalists to "modernists"

I cant imagine how it would happen, but maybe partitioning is a route to peace -
Alawite [ 2,600,000 ]
Islamist
Druze
Democratic secular

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/French_Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon_map_en.svg/725px-French_Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon_map_en.svg.png

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 7 months ago

lets also attack kim jong un
I believe in police brutality - don't you ?

[-] -1 points by broncoze (-126) 7 months ago

I don't think these Keystone Cops in the WH, with their the response should be “just muscular enough not to get mocked” and it"ll be an “unbelievably small” attack could take on Kim Basinger at this point.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20550) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

let us kill Assad, I say.

And then let us turn our gaze upon the one percent who would rule over us and proclaim: a new deal is at hand.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20550) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

If no response is made, Assad will continue to use every weapon at his disposal to preserve his rule.

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  1. The latest episode is merely one more horrific event in a conflict that has increasingly taken on genocidal characteristics. The case for action at first glance is indisputable. The UN now confirms a death toll over 100,000 people, the vast majority of whom have been killed by Assad's troops. An estimated 4.5 million people have been displaced from their homes. International observers have overwhelmingly confirmed Assad's complicity in the preponderance of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Syrian people. The illegitimacy of his regime, and the legitimacy of the uprising, is clear. . . . . . What is beyond doubt is that Assad is a war criminal whose government deserves to be overthrown. The question is by whom, and for what interests?

  2. Israel’s preferred outcome of the conflict is to have no solution at all—to have both sides, neither of whom Israel particularly likes, fight and bleed each other dry. Although the fall of the Syrian regime would greatly weaken Hezbollah and Iran, Israel is wary of the prospect of radical Islamists who are willing to turn their arms toward the Jewish state.

    • I am sure that this was one of the considerations behind our invasion of Iraq and the disbanding of the Iraqi military. Such a calculation may still hold some sway among US military planners, who would likely oppose a strike against Assad.
  3. Editor's note: What is the driving force in the building U.S. campaign to launch attacks on Syria? Max Blumenthal below argues that Israel's military intelligence and political leadership are forcing the issue, and a recent New York Times article described the Israel lobby as a powerful presence in the White House's deliberations. Other journalists, like the Guardian's Nafeez Ahmed have suggested that the impetus for attacking Syria is part of a larger regional multi-year project to sustain control over the production of oil and gas by Western oil companies. Noam Chomsky, long-time scholar and commentator on the Mideast has argued persuasively that the Israel lobby's influence in the United States is overstated; essentially arguing that Israel is a satellite of US power, and that its priorities are addressed to the extent that the US is in agreement with its wishes.

    • This editor's note to the article By Max Blumentha - How Israel Is driving the US to War in Syria, illustrates the various points of view are clearly not all in agreement and some may serve specific agendas and / or national / corporate interests. For example - blaming Israel could actually further the goal articulated in item 2 above.

    • Given the complexity of considerations and the geopolitical calculations perhaps it is best to step back and ask: what is the right thing to do?

[-] -1 points by cosplay (-29) 7 months ago

Where did you get that 10% thing from? I wish something would scare Assad enough, but when Obama passes the buck on even his "red line" comment, that's not going to happen. Assad's even taunting him and calling him weak in public.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 months ago

I confess the 10% idea is mine.

look at the numbers
If Obama does not get majorities in both houses -
say he gets 48 / 100 Senators & 210 / 435 Reps -
and he does NOT attack:
"I believe that the president must abide by the will of the people & their representatives"

Now imagine you are assad - you are 12 votes away from being attacked by the largest military in the world - would you use gas again ?

There is a new book out - The Dictator's Handbook - that helps explain the assads & hittlrs & saddams - they only care about themselves and their core supporters.

America does NOT have the answer to this mess.
Saudi Arabia & Turkey have been trying to get rid of assad for years
let them deal with this monster

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

Now imagine you are assad - you are 12 votes away from being attacked by the largest military in the world - would you use gas again ?

If the US military stops ,

the US economy will loss production sales

[-] -1 points by cosplay (-29) 7 months ago

With us doing this

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-26206-Yosemite-Sam-keeps-crossing-Bu-vFRB.gif

I don't think Assad's worried

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 7 months ago

cute - but I have listened to many advocates on both sides, but I am convinced that Obama's foolish comment WILL NOT be compounded with an attack.

The overwhelming percentage of Americans are against it, and Obama actually will GAIN national & international stature if he behaves as his citizens want and as most countries want.

FYI- read the latest Senate resolution - it is about as close to a declaration of war as you can get - MUCH worse than the original.

[-] 0 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 7 months ago

Does this guys crossed the line? http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-execute-teenage-boy-460/ Or maybe this guys crossed the line in 2008-2009? http://www.vtjp.org/background/gazaweapons.php Don't you think that we have to stop supporting them with our tax money? How about this guys? This are bad motherfuckers, nobody wants mess with them. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2013/03/iraqi-birth-defects-as-direct-result-of.html?m=1 AND THIS http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2010/07/27/usa-wmd-america-s-covert-hiroshima-in-ir