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Forum Post: suspicion-less stops

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 24, 2013, 5:24 p.m. EST by gestopomillyy (1695)
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how can there be a fight about this? its so clearly a violation of the constitution. who are the people who advocate this type of anti americanism?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-lets-nypd-resume-suspicion-less-stops-203531865.html

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[-] 1 points by conservatroll (117) 1 year ago

Sadly, much of LEO action is unconstitutional, Go back and read the 4th ammendment. Probable cause, as well as a sworn affadavit, is grounds for a search WARRANT. PC has become an excuse to search. Who needs a stinkin warrant issued by a judge?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Stopping this violation is long overdue. The delay is disgraceful. i guess we'll never see anything like this in the wealthy suburbs where the biggest criminals (banksters) live. I think a "stop, investigate finances, & arrest" program should be instituted.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

3,000 Bronx buildings participating in the program, a finding that the city is challenging in a federal appeals court.


There are 3,000 Bronx buildings that have asked to participate in Operation Clean Halls?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

hmmmm - welllllll - in a way --------- I could kinda understand that - long as you keep it to the hallways - get the fuck away from my door ....shit for brains hall monitor . . . . ummm . . . sorry . . . though I think it would be overall more beneficial to address the ills of society which breed crime and violence - - - lack of employment - - employment that does not pay a living wage . . . ummmm . . . sorry . . . got to thinking.........

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The problem is that if you are a landlord that has tenants then you don't want a bunch of gang banging dope dealing shit going on. You have parents with kids that don't want that going on.

So, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here because I keep seeing this same issue crop up with stop and frisk. One group of people requests it and one advocates against it. There are officers (NYPD) that do not like this either from what I have read.

Solve the problem. If you do nothing than your protection in any area may be in the hands whatever little gang. You may as well just sign your own little death warrant. So, now what? Because all of the changes regarding the ills of society are going to take a little more time to implement so they cannot be used right this second. Great in the long term but not too damn effective in the short term.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - but - I think the sooner the real Ills of society are addressed the better - Hey? In the meantime maybe cops could do regular patrols looking for violence - rather then violating peaceful protesters and stuff - ya know? Those living in hall ways maybe sent to a shelter - get em something to eat and a place to bed down?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Are you making the assumption that these people are all homeless?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I try never to (x)ume - but those that are inhabiting a hallway because that is the only way out of the weather for them should have another place to go.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Alternatively, they have less chance of getting busted by hiding in them?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The Homeless? There is that.

Support humanity people - not inhumanity.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No. We have a problem currently (here) with people that run into the hallways to get high and sell dope.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OK - so you would like to see more patrols through living place hallways to get those who do not belong and are committing crimes out - perhaps into a treatment facility? I mean cops are routinely called to my apartment building - for domestic calls - shouldn't they also clear hallways of those that do not belong there? Get em to a shelter or into treatment? But out of someones hallway?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No, what I am saying is exactly what I said. Solve the problem. You have 3,000 buildings that felt it was enough of a problem to sign on. Prevention is ideally where it is at but that's pretty repetitive and nobody is listening and there is no money coming.

Somewhere there has to be a medium. The ones that are not engaging in criminal activity need to be protected, the kids need to be protected from the gangs, the non gangbangers need to be protected from the gangs and the property owners need to protected.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OK - this is not a stop and frisk situation - do you live here? No? Are you visiting someone? No? Well then you gotta leave. BuBye - what? you are not gonna leave? why not? Nowhere to go? No? you just don't wanna. To Bad - leave. Resisting a lawful order to leave private property - property where you have no lawful reason to be? Assume the position. Note: for follow-up - Contact landlord/property owner and get entry locks installed.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28037) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GF - point? Just what exactly are you driving at - what are you trying to say? No hypothetical s are not gonna get it done - what are you suggesting?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I just wanted to see what else was out there in the realm of immediate solutions.

Same thing happened in London. Well, I don't think they went so far as to arrest people that actually lived in a building for trespassing but, you had one group of people in the community that wants it and another group that is steadfast against it.

Edited for this link as it best expresses the different groups of people involved. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/stop-and-frisk-may-be-working-but-is-it-racist/267417/1/