Forum Post: Susan G. Komen Ends Funding to Planned Parenthood due to Political Pressure from the Right
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. EST by groobiecat2
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UPDATE:
Susan G. Komen Reverses Planned Parenthood Decision, Pledges To Continue Funding
http://crooksandliars.com/breaking-news/komen-apologizes-pledges-continue-pl
UPDATE: Komen Official Resigns, Site Hacked, Planned Parenthood Surges (http://tinyurl.com/82zvj6o)
The latest salvo against women? Susan G. Komen, the largest breast cancer charity in the country, terminated its breast cancer screening grant assistance to Planned Parenthood. According to Think Progress:
Planned Parenthood Federation of America today expressed deep disappointment in response to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation’s decision to stop funding breast cancer prevention, screenings and education at Planned Parenthood health centers. Anti-choice groups in America have repeatedly threatened the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation for partnering with Planned Parenthood to provide these lifesaving cancer screenings and news articles suggest that the Komen Foundation ultimately succumbed to these pressures.
“We are alarmed and saddened that the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation appears to have succumbed to political pressure. Our greatest desire is for Komen to reconsider this policy and recommit to the partnership on which so many women count,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
In the last few weeks, the Komen Foundation has begun notifying local Planned Parenthood programs that their breast cancer initiatives will not be eligible for new grants (beyond existing agreements or plans).
(Source: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6sdo2x3)
According to America Blog: Handel Campaigned for Governor in 2010 on Anti-Choice and Anti-Planned Parenthood Platform. In a statement on her campaign website, Handel wrote, “I am staunchly and unequivocally pro-life. I believe in the sanctity and inherent dignity of human life, and I will be a pro-life governor who will work tirelessly to promote a culture of life in Georgia…. I believe that each and every unborn child has inherent dignity, that every abortion is a tragedy, and that government has a role, along with the faith community, in encouraging women to choose life in even the most difficult of circumstances…. since I am pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood.” [Karen Handel Campaign Blog, 7/15/10] (source: http://www.americablog.com/2012/01/komen-pro-life-vp-promised-to-defund.html)
Enough of the war against women in this country. Send a message to SGK that this isn't okay.
Peace.
Groobiecat
http://groobiecat.blogspot.com/2012/02/susan-g-komen-ends-funding-to-planned.html
Haven't the religious moon bats already proven that they don't care if women get raped. They should be forced to raise the child of the rapist by the abhorrent minds of anti-choice individuals. Why aren't these religious moon bats saving every single sperm by banning male masturbation? After all, they are unborn children being aborted.
"Haven't the religious moon bats already proven that they don't care if women get raped."
Who are these "religious moon bats"? How have they proven that they don't care if women get raped? Please share the evidence.
"They should be forced to raise the child of the rapist by the abhorrent minds of anti-choice individuals. "
Again, provide evidence to support your outrageous claims.
What crime did the child commit? Why punish the daughter for the sins of the father?
hey retard, what does this have to do this rape? And did you know that PP does abortions for minors without asking or reporting it to the authorities (statutory rape). And for your information it takes an egg and sperm to start a life, not just a sperm.
Hey you shouldn't call people retards.
UPDATE:
Just to follow up, real quick here. The house of cards that SGK built is rapidly falling apart. Sad.
Komen's $7.5 Million Grant to Penn State Appears to Violate New Policy Susan G. Komen for the Cure, which recently announced that it is ending grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screening because of a controversial investigation launched by an anti-abortion Republican congressman, currently funds cancer research at the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center to the tune of $7.5 million. Like Planned Parenthood, Penn State is currently the subject of a federal government investigation, and like the Planned Parenthood grant, the Penn State grant appears to violate a new internal rule at Komen that bans grants to organizations that are under investigation by federal, state, or local governments. But so far, only the Planned Parenthood grants appear to have been cancelled.
(http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/komen-foundation-gave-75-million-grant-penn-state?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29)
Um, yeah.
I'm sure Brinker is troubled that it is labeled as "political".
It would have been better if they had just come out with the truth. Now, they have lost all credibility.
Exactly. But then, transparency isn't what the right is known for, innit. Have you watched any of her interview responses? She's like a robot. No substance, no real details, just bluster and generic phrases. People like that are completely in a bubble, disconnected. Even their internal memo, as outlined in the Atlantic, are empty and void--they don't respond to the questions they post to themselves:
Komen officials have denied that the decision has had anything to do with external pressure. In an internal Komen memorandum I obtained titled "Updated Granting Criteria/Reactive Statement and Talking Points," distributed in December, Komen officials deny to their employees that politics had anything to do with the decision. The memo, written as a Q&A, reads in part:
Q(uestion) 7: Is Komen giving into pressure from the Catholic Church/anti-abortion groups/the political right in making this change?
A(nswer) 7: Komen's decision to fund ANY grant is based on our mission priorities, a thorough community assessment, and strict eligibility and performance standards. Our granting criteria reflect our dedication to our mission and our consistent effort to invest our donors' dollars responsibly in support of our efforts to end breast cancer.
Q8: Planned Parenthood provides health services in many of the nation's poorest communities. How does your new policy align with your mission of serving women who lack resources to pay for important breast health services?
A8: Susan G. Komen is deeply committed to providing breast health services to women throughout the U.S. It is our belief that where a woman lives should not determine whether she lives. Komen provided funds for 700,000 breast screenings last year alone, and provided financial and social support to another 100,000 women, as part of our $93 million investment in education, public health outreach and service to vulnerable women last year alone. That work will continue. We believe these new standards will further enhance the integrity of our granting process and strengthen our overall community health program.
(http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/)
I, personally, do not expect anything from her interview responses.
Handel is just as guilty. They are both disgusting. I think they should have put their big girl panties on and stated the obvious but they were afraid that they would lose donors. They wanted to have their cake and to eat it to. That just isn't how it works.
-- UPDATE --
Komen starts changing its story
By Steve Benen - Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:00 AM EST If Komen for the Cure hoped its Planned Parenthood controversy would be a one-day story, it has to be terribly disappointed. If anything, the furor is intensifying.
One of yesterday's more striking developments came when Komen officials changed their story when explaining why they cut off funding for Planned Parenthood.
Komen had said the decision was the result of newly adopted criteria barring grants to organizations under investigation -- affecting Planned Parenthood because of an inquiry by a Republican congressman.
On Thursday, Komen President Elizabeth Thompson told reporters that the funding decision was unrelated to the investigation into whether Planned Parenthood was illegally using federal funds to pay for abortions.
Komen founder Nancy Brinker said the organization wants to support groups that directly provide breast health services, such as mammograms. She noted that Planned Parenthood was providing only mammogram referrals.
As a rule, when an organization is struggling to keep its story straight, it's not a good sign.
In the case of Komen's shifting rationales, critics weren't exactly persuaded. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), said the new explanation was tantamount to "revisionist history," adding, "This new reason is so obviously fake that you'd have to be born today to believe it."
(source: http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/03/10309071-komen-starts-changing-its-story)
Send SGK a letter saying the you are taking SGK out of your will and changing the bequest to Planned Parenthood You can cut up a pink ribbon and put it in the envelope
I like it. We donated. Dear god, even Michael Bloomberg--the anti-OWS mayor--offered to donate $250,000 in matching funds to PP.
UPDATE:
Breaking: Two dozen Senators call on Komen to reverse Planned Parenthood decision By Greg Sargent The pressure on the Susan G. Komen For The Cure Foundation to reverse its decision to cut funding to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screenings for poor people — a decision which has caused an uproar among women’s groups and on social media — is about to get significantly more intense. Nearly two dozen Senators are set to enter the fray.
I’m told that some 22 Dem Senators have signed on to a very toughly worded letter urging Komen to reverse its decision, which Komen has justified by citing a new rule prohibiting it from funding any group under investigation by the government. (This has conferred legitimacy and signficance on the probe into Planned Parenthood that has been launched by anti-abortion GOP Rep. Cliff Stearns of Florida.)
That’s a significant number of Senators for a letter of this nature, and it makes it more likely that this fight will escalate in a huge way, if Republican Senators begin speaking out in defense of the decision, as David Vitter has. More signatories are likely.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/breaking-two-dozen-senators-call-on-komen-to-reverse-planned-parenthood-decision/2012/02/02/gIQA5EPnkQ_blog.html
UM, YEAH.
I heard - not sure - that SGK contributes to Penn State - UNDER INVESTIGATION
Yes. See update above:
Just to follow up, real quick here. The house of cards that SGK built is rapidly falling apart. Sad. Komen's $7.5 Million Grant to Penn State Appears to Violate New Policy Susan G. Komen for the Cure, which recently announced that it is ending grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screening because of a controversial investigation launched by an anti-abortion Republican congressman, currently funds cancer research at the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center to the tune of $7.5 million. Like Planned Parenthood, Penn State is currently the subject of a federal government investigation, and like the Planned Parenthood grant, the Penn State grant appears to violate a new internal rule at Komen that bans grants to organizations that are under investigation by federal, state, or local governments. But so far, only the Planned Parenthood grants appear to have been cancelled. (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/komen-foundation-gave-75-million-grant-penn-state?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29) Um, yeah.
I spoke to Karen Handel - she clarified the decision - she said they will only suspend contributions to organizaions the have a name that begins with "P"
ooops!
UPDATE: PP announced that it has received $400,000 from about 6,000 donors since Komen announced it was cutting funding to the organization...! Kinda awesome.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/susan-g-komen_n_1247262.html)
That's great, and I hope the donations keep coming and that the Komen Foundation goes the way of the dinosaurs.
Remember the religious zealots - from the sunis & shiites killing each other today - to the protestants and catholics killing each other in Ireland - to the catholics burning the "others" in 1492 to the protestants burning witches in America
THEY KNOW THEY ARE RIGHT - THEY ARE DOING GOD'S WORK
learning, reasoning, thinking is an anathema, an evil to these primitives
when I'm unfortunate enough to meet one of them, I like to ask 3 questions:
STAND WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD. SIGN THE LETTER FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD TO THE ANTI-WOMEN FORCES OUT THERE.
This is for all the anti-choice, anti-women people out there.
Listen up.
You can spend every minute of every day trying to force the rest of us to live by your ideology. You can go after federal funds for health care and pressure private organizations like the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation to stop funding breast cancer screenings for poor women. You can try to make it impossible to get birth control.
But you know what you can't do? You can't win. You can't break us. Planned Parenthood isn't just a family of organizations. It's a movement. It's women and men of all ages who believe that health care — including reproductive health care — is a basic human right. We are millions strong. We are everywhere. We act, we give, and we do whatever it takes to make sure that Planned Parenthood is there for the women, men, and teens who rely on them.
Know this: When you go after Planned Parenthood and the people they serve, you go after ME. I stand with Planned Parenthood. I stand with them against anyone who wants to stop women from receiving the health care they need. I stand with them today, tomorrow, and for as long as I need to.
Sign the letter here: https://secure.ppaction.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=pp_ppol_I_Stand_with_PP_2012&s_src=IStand_0212_c3_e1&autologin=true
Signed.
Digital high five. I had no idea that Race for the Cure had been taken over by Bush cronies and right wing ideologues. Fuxxakes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/komens-planned-parenthood-decision-all-about-politics/2012/02/01/gIQAJS1xhQ_blog.html
WOOHOO!!! Let's all withdraw support for Komen and hurt all the other women it helps outside of Planned Parenthood because it's doing something we find personally reprehensible!
Let's be JUST like those damn "right wingers"!!!
Let's put our political viewpoints ahead of the needs of women too!!!
"Are we hypocrites?" "Yes we are!" "Are we any different than the right wing?" "No we aren't!"
Take the money FROM SGK
Give the money TO PP
not hypocritical - just rational
Komen is hurting women here. That's the point. They're hurting women because one group is against abortion and they couldn't get PP defunded.
Ironically, SGK is the one putting its political viewpoints ahead of women's needs--but irony isn't a strong suit of yours, is it BR? We're not putting politics ahead of women's needs--we're actually trying to put pressure on SGK to change its policies. That's called activism.
SGK is the one removing funds from PP--that will result in decreased detection and breast cancer deaths. That's the truth.
Komen believes that they are helping women by de-funding PP. Don't you think that they have made a moral judgement about abortion and don't want to subsidize it? They did provide funds to PP in the past when they believed that the money would not be used for abortion. The current investigation challenges that fact. After all half of the children lost in PP facilities are female.
Komen believes they are helping women by de-funding PP? Um, yeah, through nonsense phrases that make zero sense. I've watched Nancy Brinker's very weak defense: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M9pOEjK47A&feature=youtu.be) But assuming you're correct, SGK should so state it that way, i.e., "we're against abortion and will no longer fund PP because of it." But they didn't. Instead, they're hiding behind a political smoke screen. Why? Well, because a LOT of their supporters also happen to be pro-choice. And now? They're paying the price. It's a firestorm of negative publicity--and, frankly, a backlash against them from many previous supporters.
The head of SGK has given a LOT of money to republican candidates, and she recently hired a vociferous anti-choice, anti-PP woman to head up SGK's public policy arm.
The current investigation is not intended to determine if funds have been used for abortion, but, according to the idiot who actually called for the investigation, Cliff Stearns, is simply an "audit" to see how the money is being used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M9pOEjK47A&feature=youtu.be
"half of the children lost in PP facilities are female"? What are you talking about?
Doesn't matter. This has energized opponents to the kind of political bullying that tried--unsuccessfully--to end Planned Parenthood last year. You can thank the head of SGK for that.
Peace.
Komen does not want to provide funding to PP for abortions that end the lives of children, half of which are female.
If donors now stop giving to Koemen they not only hurt women they also demonstrate their intolerance for the views of others.
Wow. Komen's money has never gone to abortions--it's only gone to breast cancer screening. In fact, abortions are paid for by the women who have them done--no federal dollars or Komen dollars go to them. You don't understand this issue, apparently, at all. Read up on the facts, then form an opinion.
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In a time when money is difficult to come by and daily people are losing jobs, homes and hope for the future – an organization that is in place solely to provide low/no cost medical screening and treatment to women (who are at least 50% of the folks affected by this economic crisis) is under attack.
We should all think very carefully about why an issue like this would even occur at this time in our history – the year 2012. How in the world can an issue of women’s HEALTH - 50% of the planet’s population - be politicized? Can you even imagine us having a conversation about men’s health??! How much longer are we going to allow this marginalization to occur? Do you want your daughters to grow up continuing to be seen as issue that people can fight about and make decisions about as if we are not actually part of this system?
You should embrace whatever your political doctrine, spiritual belief or social conscience steers you to embrace – and celebrate the fact that we live in a country where that is possible. But you might also want to spend some time thinking about the following:
• You might end up with little to no financial or healthcare resources at some point and need to take advantage of services that are provided for those in just such situations. Wouldn’t it be awful if there were no more services left to help you?
• Women make up more than 50% of the workforce and an increasing percentage of the political leadership – perhaps it is time to step forward and begin to LEAD in a meaningful way. Pay attention to what is going on around you and make good choices that will continue to help women take their places as equal partners in every way.
It would be great if we could move toward the ideal that we are all human beings, deserving of being seen as equally important, not as second class citizens to be used as political footballs – to be discussed and have decisions made about as if we are not actually standing in the room. I hope you will do the same, by modeling the behavior that shows we can live in a harmonious way, working together, rather than in the classic war model where someone must lose in order for someone else to win and everyone is fair game; especially women.
Wow. o.o
Dear Groobiecat,
Amazing! The petition you signed asking the Susan G. Komen Foundation to reverse its decision on defunding Planned Parenthood has already gathered more than 300,000 signatures.
But we need your help to build on our momentum. While the national Komen organization is digging in its heels, several local Komen affiliates have come out in support of Planned Parenthood. So in addition to delivering petition signatures to the Susan G. Komen national headquarters, we're going to deliver your signature along with thousands of others to over 100 local Komen affiliates and ask them to join us in calling on the national board to reverse its decision.
As a resident of Brattleboro, we would love to include the signatures of your friends along with the thousands of others we will deliver to the Komen Foundation Vermont-New Hampshire Affiliate in Manchester Center.
Please help us spread the word about the petition with your friends. You can share this campaign by email, on Facebook, or on Twitter.
Becky Bond, Political Director
UPDATE: SGK planned to terminate its relationship with Planned Parenthood long before this came out:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/
The story behind Komen's cut-off
Top Susan G. Komen Official Resigned Over Planned Parenthood Cave-In
"...sources with direct knowledge of the Komen decision-making process told me that the rule was adopted in order to create an excuse to cut-off Planned Parenthood. (Komen gives out grants to roughly 2,000 organizations, and the new "no-investigations" rule applies to only one so far.)
The decision to create a rule that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, according to these sources, was driven by the organization's new senior vice-president for public policy, Karen Handel, a former gubernatorial candidate from Georgia who is staunchly anti-abortion and who has said that since she is "pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood." (The Komen grants to Planned Parenthood did not pay for abortion or contraception services, only cancer detection, according to all parties involved.) [...]
Another source directly involved with Komen's management activities told me that when the organization's leaders learned of the Stearns investigation, they saw an opportunity. "The cart came before the horse in this case," said the source, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity. "The rule was created to give the board of directors the excuse to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood. It was completely arbitrary. If they hadn't come up with this particular rule, they would have come up with something else in order to separate themselves from Planned Parenthood."
(Source: J. Goldberg with the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/)
Bank of America is under investigation, so why doesn't the Komen Foundation sever ties with it?
"The Komen Foundation's public rationale for defunding lifesaving services at Planned Parenthood clinics throughout the country, as summed up by the press, "is that Planned Parenthood is under investigation in Congress—a probe launched by a conservative Republican who was urged to act by anti-abortion groups."
According to Komen's spokesperson, the charity's new policy bars grants to organizations that are under such investigations. Specifically, Komen has decided to sever financial ties if a grant applicant or any of its affiliates is "currently under a local, state or federal formal investigation for financial or administrative impropriety or fraud."
When the money flows out of Komen to clinics to pay for mammograms and other screenings, Komen has decided to rely on the existence of an "investigation"--meritorious or not, politically motivated or not--to justify its defunding.
With respect to the money flowing in to Komen?
That's a whole other story.
To sum up, Komen is perfectly content with accepting millions from an entity under investigation for fraud across the country but when it comes to dispensing a portion of those and other funds to an entity that saves lives but that's facing a sham of an investigation, Komen draws the line.
Take, for example, Bank of America, a Komen "corporate partner":
Bank of America and Susan G. Komen™ are proud to have partnered to bring an end to breast cancer. Like the millions of mothers, daughters, families and friends who have been affected by this disease, we want to work together to put an end to this disease. From February 2012 to May 2015, Bank of America is guaranteeing a minimum of $1,000,000 to Susan G. Komen™ in conjunction with its Pink Ribbon Banking products. Since 2009, Bank of America has contributed more than $2.7 million to Susan G. Komen™ in conjunction with this program. Yes, that's the same Bank of America that is "currently under a local, state or federal formal investigation for financial or administrative impropriety or fraud." Here's a sampling of what Bank of America is facing"
(Source: http://tinyurl.com/7r4rm5g)
Susan G. Komen Loses Support After Planned Parenthood Decision
Stacey Tillman, a 47-year-old woman from Sandusky, Ohio, says she has donated over $300 to Susan G. Komen for the Cure each year for the past nine years. The issue is close to her heart, she says, because her aunt had breast cancer.
This year, however, following the news that Komen has pulled breast exam funds from Planned Parenthood for political reasons, Tillman is sending her money straight to the family planning provider instead.
"I donated $250 this morning, and then I'll see what I can do in a couple months if I can get more," she told HuffPost in a phone interview. "I've had family members in financial difficulty that have used Planned Parenthood for pap smears and breast cancer screenings. They're getting my money now because they help the needy and the people who fell through the cracks."
After partnering with Planned Parenthood for the past five years to provide cancer screenings to low-income patients, Komen announced on Tuesday that it would sever ties with the family planning provider because it is under investigation in Congress. However, the groups that prompted that investigation are anti-abortion advocacy organizations that have long criticized Planned Parenthood over the fact that some of its clinics offer abortions.
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) both criticized and revoked their support for Komen on Wednesday. "I was perplexed and troubled to see the decision by Susan G. Komen for the Cure to cut off funding for life-saving breast cancer screenings through Planned Parenthood because of a political witch hunt by House Republicans. I truly hope that they will reconsider this decision and put the needs of women first," Boxer said in a statement.
"I have been a big booster of the Susan G. Komen organization, but not anymore," Speier said on the House floor.
One of Komen's own affiliates withdrew its support as well. The Connecticut affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure said in a statement on Wednesday that it "shares" people's frustration over the decision and that it will continue funding Planned Parenthood of New England.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/susan-g-komen_n_1247262.html)
WOOHOO!!! Let's all withdraw support for Komen and hurt all the other women it helps outside of Planned Parenthood because it's doing something we don't agree with!
Let's be JUST like those damn "right wingers"!!!
Let's put our political viewpoints ahead of the needs of women too!!!
"Are we hypocrites?" "Yes we are!" "Are we any different than the right wing?" "No we aren't!"
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Komen was trapped by its own written policy that it will not provide funding to any organization under criminal investigation.
the follow a black list ?
If by "trapped" you mean SGK changed its policy recently because they're run by a couple of right wingers and if by "criminal investigation" you mean a Congressional inquiry driven by an extreme right anti-choice group known as Americans United for Life, then, yeah, I guess they had no choice:
"The Dallas-based organization, which is the country’s biggest breast cancer charity, insisted its controversial decision to defund Planned Parenthood affiliates was made only in light of Komen’s new policy against supporting agencies that are under investigation. (The congressional investigation itself was launched by a conservative Republican and spurred by antiabortion groups.)
The decision was “not about politics,” a Komen statement insisted.
But the truth is that Komen founder Nancy Brinker has strong Republican ties and Cecile Richards, who leads Planned Parenthood, is daughter of late Texas Gov. Ann Richards and has longtime Democratic Party ties. Also worth noting: This is an election year.
Brinker, a longtime GOP donor who was ambassador to Hungary under then-President George W. Bush, received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Obama in 2009. She has cast Komen as above politics, saying its focus is women’s health.
But the decision to stop funding Planned Parenthood comes shortly after Komen unveiled a new partnership that strengthens its ties to the George W. Bush Institute. The institute is the policy-making arm of Bush’s presidential library, which is scheduled to open in Dallas next year." (Washington Post: http://tinyurl.com/7uu265s and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/planned-parenthood-investigation-government-resources_n_984002.html)
And this: "(New SG Komen VP for Public Affairs) Handel Campaigned for Governor in 2010 on Anti-Choice and Anti-Planned Parenthood Platform. In a statement on her campaign website, Handel wrote, “I am staunchly and unequivocally pro-life. I believe in the sanctity and inherent dignity of human life, and I will be a pro-life governor who will work tirelessly to promote a culture of life in Georgia…. I believe that each and every unborn child has inherent dignity, that every abortion is a tragedy, and that government has a role, along with the faith community, in encouraging women to choose life in even the most difficult of circumstances…. since I am pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood.” [Karen Handel Campaign Blog, 7/15/10]" (http://groobiecat.blogspot.com/)
Um, yeah. I see what you mean.
Koman has been "run by right wingers" since it was formed. It already had ties to the George W. Bush Institute. You should read up on all the other "right wing" organizations it partners with. (And left wing)
Further down you make this comment: "A fraction of the monies spent by PP are used for abortions--and NONE of it comes from the Federal government. That's a fact"
As an organization that supports LIFE-I can only imagine they found it deeply disturbing that THEIR grant money might be funding abortions-since as you pointed out, Federal money doesn't. Right?
First, it's "Komen," not "Koman." Second, yes, the ties to George Bush are long-standing--I wish I'd known this long ago. I do think that awareness is really important, regardless of who runs the organization. But this is too much--attacking poor women. But hey, if they want a war, they've got one--and I'm guessing a lot of people who haven't been paying attention to their funding priorities have begun to now. PP will wind up with lots of donations, I'm guessing. Good for them. Bad for them that the idiots at SGK have decided to target poor women.
As for "THEIR grant money," I can only assume you mean PP's grant money. Well, I'm guessing it's money from a lot of sources, including people like me. But the grants from "Komen," were for breast cancer screening, if that's what you're asking about.
"Over the past five years, Komen funding has provided nearly 170,000 clinical breast exams out of more than 4 million nationwide at Planned Parenthood health centers. Komen has also provided more than 6,400 out of 70,000 mammogram referrals." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/komens-planned-parenthood-decision-all-about-politics/2012/02/01/gIQAJS1xhQ_blog.html)
I'm talking about the "grant money" that was GIVEN to PP from SGK.
I'm not sure exactly how you extrapolate the withdrawal of funds from one organization, that IS being investigated, as "attacking poor women". I'd think NOT dealing with groups tied up in court is GOOD management for two reasons-one, someone else has called that organization into question, AND two, even if that organization ends up being innocent of the charges, you cannot be assured that the "grant money" you are donating to that organization will go to the actual women it's supposed to instead of being directed towards legal fees etc.
It's MUCH more sensible to direct that money, to ANOTHER organization that is helping "poor women" that is NOT embroiled in a court case that 1) must now direct some of it's funding towards legal fees and that 2) might NOT remain open etc in the future etc.
Your highly emotional reaction to what happened is only reasonable IF that same money that is no longer being funneled through PP isn't directed towards "poor women" in some other way.
re: "Grant money," I explained it in my response--it was for breast cancer screening -- not abortions. Poor women are being attacked because the money has NOTHING to do with abortions, but for preventing breast cancer, got it?
As for "someone calling the organization into question," well, that organization is interested in one issue and one issue alone: abortion. And their lackies on capitol hill were only too happy to oblige. The money from Komen was for breast cancer prevention, nothing else.
And it's not being "embroiled" to have extremists in Congress conduct an investigation when it's being driven by an organization like that (http://www.aul.org/executive-summary-2/) -- they have one goal: end PP because it performs abortions.
You don't want to believe it will hurt poor women who need breast cancer screening? That's your deal. But that's the truth.
No. The truth is that it COULD hurt poor women who need breast cancer screenings IF that money isn't directed to any other organizations that ALSO helps poor women get breast cancer screenings.
SGK's grants paid for LESS than 5% of the clinical breast exams done by PP (according to the statistics you posted) and less than 10% of their mammogram referrals.
Now, if you want to attack SGK and get people to stop donating money to THEM as well, then YOU will be hurting "poor women" who have breast cancer who get their screenings done somewhere other than at PP.
"No. The truth is that it COULD hurt poor women who need breast cancer screenings IF that money isn't directed to any other organizations that ALSO helps poor women get breast cancer screenings."
No, that's flawed logic. Here's how logic works. A) PP receives millions in grant money for cancer screenings from SGK. B) PP uses the money to help poor women get breast cancer screenings, leading to lives saved. C) SGK terminates the funding due to a political witch hunt on Capitol Hill that has nothing to do with abortions, but which is aimed at terminating PP because it performs abortions. D) PP can no longer help 5% of the women it would have helped with breast cancer detection. E) PP performs 1,830,811 screening procedures. E) Approximately 90,000 women will not have access to screening by PP due to lost funds from SGK, so these women have no other alternatives and dont' get screened. F) Some of these women develop breast cancer and die.
That's how logic works. As for getting SGK to do the right--that's exactly what I--and LOT of other people--are trying to do. Shame them into doing the right thing through a campaign that uses logic and facts to show that what they're doing is serving the interests of an anti-choice group. That. Is. The. Truth.
Next?
YEAH!!! Finally someone with some sense!!!! Abortion is murder!!!
Yes, because Planned Parenthood is under investigation. After what happened at Penn State and the universities association with Jerry Sandusky and his foundation the lawyers probably strongly advised The Komen Foundation to back away. What sad times we live in!
The "Right To Life" people strike again! Hypocrisy? Youbetcha!
a) Yes, they're under investigation. But not by the FBI or the police. By a member of congress who is very close to the group of anti-choice activists. This has nothing to do with "due process." A member of congress who runs a committee can call for an investigation of anyone or any entity under his/her jurisdiction he/she wants. Anytime. That's how it works.
b) You don't understand the judicial vs. legislative branches of our government. This has nothing to do with the court system. It has nothing to do with a grand jury or an indictment. It has to do with a political axe that can be easily ground by the extremists in the House of Representatives. The two issues aren't even remotely similar.
You guys really need to do your homework and understand what you're talking about before you engage in this kind of discourse. It's kinda sad, really...
You missed my point. Komen backed away because of the potential for the investigation to have some serious blow-back on them from their association with Planned Parenthood, should said investigation uncover anything unseemly, i.e. monies received from Komen being used for abortions.
Penn State failed to disassociate itself from Sandusky's foundation a long time ago and now it's come back to bite them in the butt big time. Most of us are quite familiar with the Sandusky/Penn St. story by now and it's timeline of events. Penn St. could've/should've disassociated itself when allegations were initially made in 1997 and didn't.
"You missed my point. Komen backed away because of the potential for the investigation to have some serious blow-back on them from their association with Planned Parenthood, should said investigation uncover anything unseemly, i.e. monies received from Komen being used for abortions."
Even if that's true (and apparently, they've changed their story yet again as for why: http://tinyurl.com/79seeu6)
Blowback? That's a reason to defund an organization that's saving lives? I don't think that's true for the following reasons:
You still misunderstand the crux of the argument: the man who tried--unsuccessfully--to defund planned parenthood as part of the anti-abortion movement's agenda, is in charge of this "audit" or "investigation." Do you understand how the whole subcommittee action is invalid as a result? He's clearly trying to undermine the organization. The republicans in charge of Komen agree with his approach, and it's clear, based on the Atlantic article, that this had been planned for a while at Komen.
It undermines your premise of "being associated" with someone/some thing that's guilty. Komen wanted to do this for a long time--Rep. Stearns provided them cover to do so. It's pretty clear.
Finally? If anything has bitten Komen in the butt, it's clearly their defunding of a very popular organization that helps a LOT of women. Including my wife, when she was young. We won't stop until Komen is revealed for the political organization it has, sadly, become. Nice job, SGK...
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Cool,some good news for a change.
UPDATE: 3:40 p.m. -- Planned Parenthood announced on Wednesday that it has received $400,000 from about 6,000 donors since Komen announced it was cutting funding to the organization on Tuesday afternoon.
:D
Or maybe just one Donor,Soros.
Soros! The source of all evil liberal plots! LOL. Right. Jesus, at least get some originality.
FYI, a LOT of people are really pissed about this, and SG Komen just lost a lot of donors.
Maybe SGK is sick of the war against the unborn? Many, many people do not think THAT war is "okay", and find it's victims completely incapable of defending themselves AT ALL.
They are well within their RIGHTS (something ows is so concerned with) to form or break off, partnerships with any organization they wish to.
So, the women--including women who are rape victims--have no rights over their own bodies? It's truly ironic how the anti-government crowd is so PRO government when it comes to the issues of reproductive rights. Ignore those, right? Right. Because it's your religion, doesn't mean it's everyone else's religion, okay?
Is that what I said? NO. That's what you WANT to think I'm saying.
Women DO have rights over their own bodies. And in VERY specific circumstances, they also have the "right" over someone else's body-when that body is the result of a CRIME committed against them, or that body's subsequent growth and birth puts their life at risk in some way.
That YOU don't believe that is your own prerogative. But that doesn't mean everyone else believes it, okay?
Only in the case of rape? No. A woman has a right to decide what to do with her body, even when it has a pre-human contained within it. You don't agree. That's fine. We will never agree on this.
Either your reading skills are lacking, or your interpretive skills are. I said rape "OR".
Yes, missed that--I admit it! Made a mistake. I was too busy wacking that other mole. Apologies.
Well hey....after being ripped on for misspelling "Komen" in my first post I just assumed that you were all about the details.
I usually am, and I shouldn't have dinged you on that. I was worked up. Apologies.
Rep. Cliff Stearns is a clown ass douchebag and so is Karen Handel.
Yeah, get the money out of politics...or is it keep funding Planned Parenthood? Want to know why OWS isn't catching on? It is because of crap like this post. OWS has no direction and cannot win when it has no goals. Keep up the left vs right crap. It only serves to sink the cause faster.
This isn't about left vs. right. It's about helping people who are poor and have no healthcare, and about how extremists have motivated a decent organization to turn its back on poor women. OWS isn't just about keeping money out of politics, it's about social justice and decency toward all Americans. What do you think Planned Parenthood is, anyway? They provide healthcare to people who can't afford it.
Oh, and btw? OWS is already changing the narrative, okay? Newt the Gingirch himself is espousing OWS ideals, and Obama has co-opted ideals for his re-election. Not catching on? I'd say you haven't been paying close attention:
"I don’t know how Occupy Wall Street will impact the 2012 election, but one thing seems pretty clear: it’s changed the national conversation.
A few short months ago, the corporate media and inside-the-Beltway chatter was all debt and deficits, all the time.
Occupy changed that. It reset the media narrative so it’s more aligned with the true crises of our times—income inequality, downward mobility and economic fairness. It’s also renewed attention to corporate accountability and the corrosive role of corporate money in politics.
Just look at the media’s use of the words “inequality” and “greed” post-Occupy. As Peter Dreier notes, a Lexis/Nexis search shows that US newspapers published 409 stories with the word “inequality” in October 2010. Through September 2011, the number of stories about “inequality” remained roughly the same. But in October 2011, when OWS erupted across the country and overseas, the frequency skyrocketed to 1,269 stories.
You can see a similar pattern with stories on “greed.” Between October 2010 and September 2011, “greed” stories fluctuated between 452 and 728. But in October of that year newspapers stories on greed jumped to 2,285."
(http://www.thenation.com/blog/165883/occupy-effect)
Don't worry groobie, please note that the person that wrote that is not going to any of the "rightwing" threads and protesting any division.
That individual is not bright enough to see that this is about health care. Fuck 'em.
With a condom....
Good call!!! With a condom. :D
Your whitty use of curse words shows why OWS is a failure. There is no critical thinking here, just ad hominem attacks, childish rants and the usual conspiracy theories. OWS is nothing more than a pathetic, childish rant that has no direction and will only result in utter failure. But that's ok, keep posting here and watch the world move on beyond you.
LOL. One of the things I especially enjoy amongst your particular demographic is a decided lack of understanding of...irony:
1) "There is no critical thinking here, just ad hominem attacks, childish rants and the usual conspiracy theories."
2) "OWS is nothing more than a pathetic, childish rant that has no direction and will only result in utter failure."
Read your own words much? I'm guessing not so much...
The thing is, he's absolutely right. There is no critical thought about what OWS is, isn't, should be, and shouldn't be. Every time criticism is brought up, posters such as GirlFriday come in and spit a flurry of logical fallacies like ad hominem in the hope that this criticism will magical disappear. Meanwhile, the arguments of the critics are just getting stronger as OWS keeps shooting itself in the foot with very questionable press releases.
You'd hope the earnest protesters would wake up and demand that OWS become a truly transparent and open protest. You'd hope some people would realize that it's important to take care of producing quality press releases without a hint of violent rhetoric. Of course, this is not possible. Earnest occupy protesters are following OWS as if it were a cult. They categorically refuse to criticize the cult leaders because they think they can do no wrong.
Well, first, the point I made was that this person didn't understand the irony of his/her own response. But now that you bring it up, there's a definite lack of critical thinking, as well. Where is it in that person's post? Where's the data? Where are the examples to back up his/her suppositions? Nowhere.
As for your attack on GirlFriday, not sure what you're saying--logical fallacies or ad hominem attacks--which is it? One? Both? They're not the same.
"...the arguments of the critics are just getting stronger..." Yeah? Which ones? The, uh, ones that are driven by critical thinking?
It's ironic--again--that your attacks lack the very thing that you accuse OWS of not having, to wit, critical thinking. Your points are just generic affronts that actually have no weight, partially because critical thinking requires making suppositions and then backing them up with specifics, which you clearly didn't do.
Now, my post on this subject does, actually, do just that. I make a point, I back it up with facts, which you're free to agree or disagree with. When you say "the protesters," you make it seem as if it's a single cabal, or completely consistent collective that acts as one. That couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, what that describes is, of course, the Tea Party that was bought and paid for by the Koch brothers (yes, I know there are different versions).
"You'd hope the earnest protesters would wake up and demand that OWS become a truly transparent and open protest." What's opaque about OWS? Have you read the GA minutes? They're publicly available; no one is hiding them. The process itself is completely open to any and all who care to join.
"You'd hope some people would realize that it's important to take care of producing quality press releases without a hint of violent rhetoric." Again, you imply that this is one monolithic entity--it's not. It's comprised of many different groups that are geographically dispersed.
"Of course, this is not possible. Earnest occupy protesters are following OWS as if it were a cult." Again--more irony! Where's the "critical thinking" here? This is yet another ad hominem epithet espoused without virtue of data. A cult? I'm 52, I have a great job with amazing retirement benefits, I have a great family, live in a great house, and I make great money, and I support OWS. So, I must be a zombie by your fallacious reasoning. And just who are the cult leaders you're referring to?
Seriously, if you're looking for the give and take of polemic, that's all well and good, but dude, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
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I keep reading that line..."There is no critical thought about what OWS is, isn't, should be, and shouldn't be." It's as though many believe OWS to be the end result of whatever process they are imagining...
OWS stated sand continues to state they are not political, while one might argue that the issues that are risen are political issues, OWS presents then steps back from these particular issues...
There is the group The 99Percent Declaration ( http://www.the-99-declaration.org/ ), an outgrowth of OWS, that steps forward to address the political aspect of the issues, a group that many who have challenged OWS have turn to, to support in a more active manner.
OWS doesn't have to be anything, it's a voice saying wake up, pay attention, DO SOMETHING!
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Girlfriday has a potty mouth and seems like a angry liberal, not the intellectual ,elitist liberals that we normally come across. Maybe that's what happens when you are on the losing team. Could GirlFriday be Nancy Pelosi?
GurlFried = Pelosi?!! holy shit, that explains plenty.
Off your knees, Koch whore!!!
GirlFriday calls herself or maybe himself an independent but he / she cannot hide that lib disease very well
Well she is independent of logical thought.
Awe........can't get enough you little Koch whore, can you?
No need to give me a dislike for the comment
GirlFriday are you a Soros girl?
Nope, but your a Koch whore.
What about Karl Marx maybe that's who you follow or Hugo Chavez? And what do you have against the Koch's? Have they done something to you? Did you know that Soros is a wanted man in France? I don't think that the Koch have any legal charges against them?
You are a Koch whore. You serve no other purpose or master. That is quite disgusting.
I just read on another thread that in OWS-land "whore" is apparently hate speech for "sex worker", or something like that. I guess you didn't get the memo.
Save your breath........your going to need it to blow up your date.
Haha. You're not Pelosi, GurlFried. You're OWS's very own Andrew Dice Clay. Let me know next time you're appearing on the great stage at Zuccotti.
Was that meant to be an example critical thinking?
You failed.....loser.
And it wasn't the least bit witty.
So, you will be leaving to locate the rock you crawled out from under. Glad to hear it.
Awweee. Poor little misfit. He was shown for what he truly is and he cannot take it.
government funding of research produces the best results
government researchers are not motivated by profit
This segment of Dylan Ratigan is worth watching. His guest is Harriet Washington who talks about BigPharma and, how, when it was controlled by the gov't and universities it produced drugs to cure disease, and how, today, controlled by capitalists (Big Pharma companies) it is more interested in producing drugs for erectile dysfunction and women's skin problems:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/big-profits-for-big-pharma/6rtvm6t
You should do a thread on pharmas. Seriously. How many ads do they run a month on TV, internet and in print? How much do they spend selling us on the idea that we don't have to live with any stress, one of every four children has some level of ADD (APA is considering raising the bar on that one tho), Restless Leg Syndrome, on and on and on. But hey, I'm off to seek medical attention!. It's been three hours and the thing won't go down! JK
It's unreal, right? I always joke about the ads that say "Please let us know immediately if you or a loved one die as a result of taking this drug...."
So sad and yet the way the pharmas put it it does sound comical! My spouse in in the medical field and the some stories that I hear would make your blood boil.
It's pathetic. Feel free to do the thread. I haven't got the motivation to be responsible for a whole thread.
I know, right? :-)
And AIDs Big Pharma come up with AIDs drugs and countless others. What government and university drugs were there?
The government and universities are no longer making the calls on what drugs are researched, developed and produced. Who knows? Maybe we'd have even better AIDS drugs.
So true. OWS really needs to be taken more seriously by its own protesters. There should be someone intelligent in charge of public relations.
You mean like you or one of your other 14 accounts?
Whew, that is rich.
So, tell us dear Thrasy, given that Planned Parenthood is pretty much the only real affordable health care that is available for women, do you think that right wing nutcrackers should be raising this much hell?
Abortion isn't considered health care.
Reproductive health and this includes abortions, sterilization and birth control.
I support the right to choose, but abortion on demand is another story, not to mention the sad story of PP's history. Too bad its not known what a racist the founder was.
Margaret Sanger wasn't just racist but a eugenicist, too. Keep down the underclass and the unfit. A Nazi before her time. Let's not forget that important point. It explains a lot about PPFA's historical purpose and aims.
Then do not have an abortion. Further the only thing that you have on Margaret Sanger is spin. You have nothing else. You know it, I know it and the rest of the world knows it.
sorry but everyone knows what Margaret Sanger purpose for creating PP was, control the population of the poor, the blacks and whoever else she considered inferior. Its a historical fact. That's why Goobiecat won't discuss it. And now its your turn to use your bad language!
You have butchered history. Again. And you do so because she is dead.
Even Angela Davis (an occupier type) called Sanger racist. From article on Sanger with a quote from her (isn't anti Sanger) 'Sanger wanted the Negro Project to include black ministers in leadership roles, but other supervisors did not. To emphasize the benefits of involving black community leaders, she wrote to Gamble "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." This quote has been used by numerous Sanger detractors, including Angela Davis and the pro-life movement, to support their claims that Sanger was racist.[88] However, according to New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project, Sanger, in writing that letter, "recognized that elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow South, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim'
ummmmmmmm..........you copied and pasted.
.Sanger wasn't racist. She wasn't a Eugenicist and she wasn't trying to wipe out the poor people or black people.
duh it's in quotes.
duh...........cite your source.
.[88] hahahahahahahahahahaha.
it's 2012, just google it
The 88 was a reference number, sweet pea. I have to take that as you don't know how.
Good to know.
the 88 wasn't a play on 99% was just in the quote i took. probably a hyperlink or some other doc reference
Romney 2012, he will get the OWS turds out of their tents and off the park benches and get them working (For most of them, it will be the first job they ever had)
Romney doesn't have a chance in hell and then you are really fucked.
I do not think so because too many folks are fed up with Obama's lies and non leadership. After the 2012 election there is going to be a lot of libs crying, stomping their feet and peeing their panties in the streets when the turd gets ejected from office
I think your going to be in for a surprise. More importantly this should send a clear message to the rethuglicans that they need to clean up their crazy, get it together and return to sanity.
Start picking up the pieces now while you can. The Repelicans are done.
If you think things are sane with the current administration, then one has to wonder about "your current sanity"
If you think a rethuglican is going to solve the problems, then your current sanity is questionable.
Gee. That was fun.
We were doing a lot better before shoe shine took office in 2008
Stock up on Kleenex.
Planned Parenthood is a red herring when it comes to OWS. It's a minor problem that should be discussed on other forums. OWS should be concerned with getting money out of politics. This is the source of the major problem which is corruption. Once money is taken out of politics, the government will become responsive to all the people instead of only those with money. At that point, making all kinds of demands and suggestions becomes viable.
The fact that I have 14+ accounts has no bearing on the arguments presented in my comments. Trying to counter my arguments with such ad hominem and red herrings achieves nothing at all. It's best to stick with strong counter-arguments, or not respond at all. Logical fallacies should be reserved for desperate situations when winning an argument is more important than a logical debate aimed at finding the truth.
"OWS should be concerned with getting money out of politics. This is the source of the major problem which is corruption."
According to whom? You? That sounds, erm, somewhat decidedly less than democratic (and by "somewhat" I mean extremely so). Then again, anti-OWS people tend to have a very clear agenda, and aren't terribly open to other peoples' viewpoints, in my experience.
Getting money out of politics is, of course, extremely important, but it's clearly not the only issue. In this case, the issue is how one group--extremist anti-choice groups, are trying to force their apocryphal, mythical view of the world--"Planned Parenthood uses federal dollars for abortion!"--onto the backs of poor women who benefit from the organization's services. First, they don't use a dime of federal money for abortion services, which btw, make up only a small part of what they do. Second, this is an excellent example of how influential conservatives continue to wage war against women--a war that has been carried on by the extreme right for a long time.
Money out of politics? Yes, absolutely. Using lies and mythical nonsense to enforce policy that hurts the most vulnerable, as the Komen foundation has done? Oh, I'd say that counts as corruption in my book...
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Oh, so now you are going to decide what should be discussed? That's funny. Health care is a priority. Affordable health care.
Otherwise you would never have responded to it, amiright?
Your 14 accounts is very important. Transparency. Transparency. Transparency. Or your a Koch whore.
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Its a free country the Komen foundation doesn't have to give money to Planned Parenthood if they feel uncomfortable about the investigations surrounding them. Maybe all of the rich liberals could pitch in to make up the difference.
No worries. We are -- the money we were* going to give to SGK is now going over to PP. And as far as investigations are concerned, an entity being investigated doesn't make it a guilty entity--at least not yet.
*Well, not liberals, so much, as people who actually have a conscience and believe in more than the rugged individualism bullshit that seems to have captured the minds of so many Ayn Rand neophytes...
True PP is hasn't been convicted of using federal monies for abortions. The other side could say the same thing as you, that they are the people of conscience i.e. not supporting abortions. Has nothing to do with Any Rand, more about belief in God and human life.
The so-called investigation is a well known tactic by extremist elements in the House who couldn't get PP defunded. The investigation is based on accusations made by a right wing, anti-choice group known as "Americans United for Life," which released a "30-page report" detailing supposed violations by PP. (http://tinyurl.com/78tjgxt)
A fraction of the monies spent by PP are used for abortions--and NONE of it comes from the Federal government. That's a fact:
"Planned Parenthood has occupied a central position in the abortion debate in the U.S., and has been among the most prominent targets of U.S. pro-life activists for decades. Congressional Republicans have attempted since the 1980s to defund the organization,[43] nearly leading to a government shutdown over the issue in 2011. The federal money received by Planned Parenthood is not used to fund abortion services, but pro-life activists have argued that the funding frees up other resources which are, in turn, used to provide abortions.[43]" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood)
More apocryphal nonsense from people who insist on using their God and their beliefs to bully organizations like PP that are doing everything they can to help those who can't afford healthcare.
Do your homework, please. Jesus, this is too easy...
"More apocryphal nonsense from people who insist on using their God and their beliefs to bully organizations like PP that are doing everything they can to help those who can't afford healthcare. "
So let's all go out there and use our beliefs to bully organizations like SGK that are doing everything they can to help those who can't afford breast exams, because they won't do it where we want them to!
No, wrong--again. It's not about "going out there to bully organizations like SGK." It's about being outraged because SGK is wittingly/unwittingly targeting poor people because of a witch hunt on capitol hill. You have a different opinion? Fine. Do the research--read what's happening. Then discuss. A group with one agenda--eliminate abortions--got a member of congress to investigate Planned Parenthood, an organization that has been deemed to be following the law by their overseers in HHS, btw, leads to SGK eliminating funding for breast cancer screenings.
Abortions represent about 3% of what PP does for poor people. And none of SGK's money went to support that. The grants from SGK, now terminated, have a direct impact. People are right to be pissed off--especially people who put women's health over politics.
We wont' agree, which is fine, but the real impact of this? Women will develop breast cancer that could have been prevented. That's the real impact. Everything else is just phrasing...
YOU need to so some research.
Fact: SGK donated funds to 19 of PP's 83 affiliates.
FACT:
According to a Planned Parenthood fact sheet, cancer-related services (which includes pap, HPV vacs, colon, LEEP/LOOP procedures and crytotherapy along with breast care/exams) accounted for 14.5 percent of the services performed by Planned Parenthood in 2010. OF that 14.5%-less than HALF, or 6.5% of what they do involves breast exams, breast care.
FACT: SGK's cancer related services are 100% of the services they perform/provide.
FACT: PP doesn't provide ACTUAL mammograms at their clinics; instead, they refer women to screening centers, pay for services for women who can't afford them, and provide follow-up counseling.
PP was NOT performing the breast cancer screenings that SGK was paying for. Got it? PP was TAKING MONEY for REFERRING poor people to hospitals and organizations that DO perform breast cancer screenings!!! How freaking much does it COST to say "we can't do this here, but "X" can do it"??????? How much does it cost the same doctor who is giving you a physical to do a two minute breast exam?
WHAT if SGK gave the MONEY it was PAYING for PP employees to REFER women to actual places where breast cancer screenings for poor women actually HAPPEN-TO those actual places??? Would PP stop "referring" those women because they weren't getting PAID to refer them? Seems to me that MORE women should be able to get breast cancer screenings that way.....
But hey, all is well and good-both organizations got a ton of extra funding in the last couple of days AND I hear they are going to play nice with each other again.
FACT: SGK backed down and apologized.
FACT: SGK damaged its brand.
FACT: People see SGK as an increasingly partisan organization.
FACT: SGK had been planning to pull support for PP long before this month, and it was known to anti-abortion groups long before this week.
Playing nice? Yeah. Good luck with that.
Your mind will not be changed, and neither will mine. I'll wage my fight and you wage yours.
This round went to my side....
Peace.
Groobs, your fanaticism is showing again. It's not about "branding" and "backing down", except to zero-sum fanatics.
here's what it's "about": getting Komen to de-politicize. which, wait for it, oh goodness, they have done!
how about that.
if i'm a fanatic, i'm not alone--very very far from it, and that makes me, erm, well, impassioned, I think.
but thanks for the back-handed complimentary slight...
I don't think groob is a fanatic at all. I think groob is exercising a right in the constitution designed exactly for what groob is doing. I say the round did go to groob.
A fanatic has a right to his fanatical ravings. no dispute.
What about the statement by groob do you find fanatical?
the whole post above dude. not to mention groob's ravings over the past few days. where have you been?
I'm sorry but you cannot specify anything. You're simply bypassing debate with insult.
you're a bore. my first post in this thread was specific.
Aren't you and PP also politically motivated? Just because a conservative congress is investigating PP, doesn't mean its innocent or guilty. The legal process will decide that. 38.4% of PP's income comes from doing abortions, it's a big business. Shouldn't you liberals' be suspicious of it then? Oh wait, this just in, liberal causes and organizations are not subject to judgment and investigations.
The motivation--for me and PP, I'm guessing as well--has to do with helping those in need. I don't see how that's political at all.
As for the Congressional "investigation," oh, it's like Congressman King going after Muslims in America. I worked on Capitol Hill for 10 years, and lemme just say that the people "running these investigations" have very little in common with "real" representatives. They're largely idiotic ideologues. That's the painful reality. The group, Americans United for Life wants PP to be ended, so this is what they're doing on the Hill.
"Planned Parenthood, which is regularly audited by the Department of Health and Human Services and found to be in compliance with federal law, contends that it only uses taxpayer money to help low-income patients afford preventative health care and family-planning services. Abortions account for only 3 percent of the health provider's services, and they are paid for out of pocket by the patients."
"The legal process will decide that." --Um, no, sorry, this isn't the "legal process," it's a legislatie inquiry. Do you know the difference? Congress isn't a "legal investigative body" it's a legislative body that can only conduct inquiries pass legislation. That's it. the problem with people who believe as you do is that you don't actually understand the processes of our system of governance.
"38.4% of PP's income comes from doing abortions, it's a big business." Excuse me? Based on what evidence? Where are your facts? You do know that Federal funds that PP uses can't be used for abortions, right?
"Many Republicans want to end federal funding for Planned Parenthood because the organization does abortions. The federal government currently provides Planned Parenthood with $363 million annually, but by law, that money cannot be spent on abortion. It is spent on other types of health care services, such as cancer screenings, breast exams, and tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections." (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/)
This just in: right-wing posters struggle to back up their arguments with inconvenient facts.
Sheesh. Okay, I'm done here.
Typical liberal, can't stand debating, maybe you should live in China where there is no political debate. And yes you are done. Score Carlitini 1 : groobiecat2: 0
LOL. Can't debate? I used data backed up with sources. You? Not so much.
As for China, well, thanks, but that's relevant not even remotely. Like GW Bush, you declare victory, but without any reason to. Pretty funny.
As for "typical liberal," well, I just assume that means you get your hat handed to you by a lot of liberals who use facts and sources to make their arguments. Run along now...
You probably are an aging liberal , angry at the world for not following liberal ideas. You see the USSR fall, European socialism fail, and now you see the most liberal president in U.S. fail and you are worried. Your world is collapsing and you are scared. PP was founded to put a check on the growth of the poor and the weak. it focused on blacks especially. PP had a racist start, does that fit your ideology?
LOL. Here's a phrase for you: cognitive dissonance. Look it up. That's what you and your political demographic are really good at--not logic-based polemics.
Make all the wild-eyed conclusions you want, it's just not supported by the evidence. You just espouse Fox news bullets and that's supposed to be reasoned analysis? Persuasive argument? Not so much.
USSR failure has to do with--what now? LOL. Hilarious.
European socialism--and I mentioned that where? You are aware that they're our strongest allies on the planet, right? Those euro socialists? Love it.
Most liberal president (since...when?). This guy is as republican a democrat as I've ever seen. He has largely continued Bush's policies, and has even offered some that are more conservative than Bush, including drilling for oil off the Atlantic coast--even Dubya didn't do that.
As for failing, that's pretty funny as well--Bush oversaw the country's worst economic catastrophe since 1929 and "embroiled" the US in two wars, that's, what, success? LMAO. Soooo funny.
My world isn't collapsing--I do very well, thanks. I'm not scared in the least--and people like you actually make me even less scared. Why? Because we have facts on our side. We are more intelligent than you. As it turns out, the country isn't extremist--it's more centrist. That's why your crazy clown car of a republican presidential nomination battle has yielded Mitt Romney. And seriously, look at the parade of clowns and buffoons you people trot out as potential leaders. Failed community college grads, moon-base crazies, God told me to run for president nutballs. Embarrassing. And frankly, most people now believe that's true. Why? Because Obama is more and more popular than any of those idiots.
So, good luck to you. You'll really need it, because it's your world that's in trouble. You had your shot with your tea party loons--how'd that work out for ya (to quote the idiot Palin).
You are so smart you must be proud of yourself.
Funny that you didn't mention PP's start as a way to control the Black population. You are the smartest person here, maybe you could explain. You are the Newt of the liberals!
And btw? Planned Parenthood is inherently NOT racist. Why? Because their work is aimed at helping the poorest and, sadly, often in neighborhoods where there is a predominance of people of color. But certainly not always the case. Where I live, there are very few blacks, but a LOT of poor people, so there's a Planned Parenthood center nearby. Another red herring used to undermine the legitimacy of the difficult but important work of Planned Parenthood. But leave it to the right to twist the logic of truth for its own ends...
LOL. That's just another red herring. Another way for the right to undermine the one thing they hate--abortions.
Thanks for the compliments. I do work hard at thinking logically and analytically. But since you insist, here are the facts about PP and race (which is funny, btw: the right doesn't tend to put up too much of a fuss about racial inequality, ever notice that? But here, it's really important for some reason...;))
MYTH vs. FACT Myth: Planned Parenthood has racist roots and its founder, Margaret Sanger, supported “black genocide.”
FACT: Several independent media outlets have reviewed the facts and found that these claims are false and wildly misleading. PolitiFact gave this claim its worst rating, “Pants on Fire.” They say, “We found no evidence that Sanger advocated - privately or publicly - for anything even resembling the „genocide‟ of blacks, or that she thought blacks are genetically inferior.” The Washington Post gave a similar claim made by Herman Cain four “Pinocchios.” They write, “No matter what you think of abortion, it seems pretty clear that Cain is spouting historical fiction. There is no evidence that Sanger ever sought to kill black babies, either through the Negro Project or any other endeavor.” The fact is Planned Parenthood opposes discrimination in any form and has worked to address racial and economic bias in access to health care for 95 years. Myth: Planned Parenthood is targeting African Americans for abortions, and builds its health centers in African American neighborhoods.
FACT: Planned Parenthood is committed to ensuring all communities, and especially those most in need, have access to high-quality, affordable women‟s health care. The fact is 73 percent of Planned Parenthood health centers are located in rural or medically underserved areas. In addition, the Guttmacher Institute has a study that rebuts the misleading claim that most abortion clinics are located in predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Their report says fewer than one in 10 abortion clinics are located in predominantly African-American neighborhoods. The Washington Post also found this claim misleading, saying, “(Herman) Cain‟s claim that three-quarters of Planned Parenthood‟s facilities are in black neighborhoods also appears wildly exaggerated.”
Sorry Goober, you know that you don't have a leg to stand on even with your cute , Myth vs Fact. Everyone is biased your PolitiFact, Washington Post all have left wing bias. I have nothing against a womens right to an abortion (just not tax payer funded). But unfortunately PP is not all that pretty of an organization. In Margarate's own words, "Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/
Here's what this has done: A) hurt SGK's donor base (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/susan-g-komen-and-planned-parenthood)
B) Energized the democratic base against the right.
C) Boosted donations that will probably go way beyond what SGK provided.
Well done, rightists!
Pretty organizations? Well, there are very few that are perfect--perfect isn't the goal, the goal is to help save women from dying of breast cancer, lest we forget.
As for quotes from 1922, well, I think there's plenty of that kind of thing around across the aisle. The organization then bears no resemblance to the organization today, but nice try.
Last thing: Politifact is left biased? Really? Is that why they attacked Obama for his SOTU comment about the jobs increase? (Google if you want).
Washington Post? Wow. Perhaps years ago, but not anymore.
Doesn't matter now, though, because SGK did something that has completely energized the other side. Again, I say, Well done, Susan G. Komen!
Well there you go again, the issue here is did PP use Federal Funds to finance abortions? Neither you nor I know the answer to that. Let's wait to see what the investigation comes out with. Could turn out to be like Acorn or could turn out to be nothing but hot air.
You are like the jackpot of fail.
The team should be happy today. This is good news for you guys.
So we have Goobiecat as the smart liberal and girlfriday as the dumb liberal, good tactic to confuse the conservatives. draw them in with dumb comments then zap them with the smartypants comments.
You weren't able to debate your ass out of a paper bag. You had your ass handed to you.
Not really, Goobiecat never addressed the issue of PP starting out as a racist organization to control the population of blacks. And we will see what Congress says and does about the PP using fed funds for abortion. Don't forget about what happened to your friends at Acorn..
But, they didn't. That's spin. You know it, I know it and every educated person knows it.
They don't use federal funds for abortion.
Get an argument together and come back and try again.