Forum Post: Please Think ! Subway Occupation is a BAD idea !
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 6:55 p.m. EST by Rico
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People, do any of us think the 1% or anyone else in power uses the SUBWAY ? The people who use the subways are normal folk just like us, and they're going to be the ones who are most hurt. Do we REALLY want to alienate the very people we need to support us? FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
Recommend: Occupation of areas and regions used by the 1%. Occupation of NYSE entrances and exits- outside in public spaces, allowing for fire exit accesses not to be blocked. Occupation of the parking spaces of Congress and Senate.
99% of the people who work in the NYSE building are just regular people working a job.
Yes !
Occupation within a restricted space is a risky, possibly dangerous, if not foolish, move. The public transit is used by a large percentage of the NYC population, causing a disruption to this service will disproportionally effect the 99% who OWS claims to support. The additional issue of public safety in a confined space is a obvious reason to pass over this idea.
EXACTLY. Surely we can think of something else that doesn't harm our "base."
I DO like the "Occupy Christmas" idea under which nobody buys anything that isn't American made. It's a proper exercise of consumer power per my post at http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-power-of-the-people/ . Maybe have folks in the malls sending that message. The business world will FREAK if they see only the domestic products are selling. That may actually result in some change.
And don't shop amazon.com.
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/Amazoncoms-PA-sweatshop.html
if you read my post at http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-power-of-the-people/ then you know I want people to think of ALL social costs when buying, not just jobs. This would include denying business to companies that don't pay a living wage, provide no healthcare, etc. A good FIRST start, however, is the jobs issue because ALL of America is attuned to that problem. We'll get 'em on with the REST of the social costs after we get folks back to work !
I have formalized the "Occupy Christmas" idea as "Occupy MALL Street" at http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-mall-street-and-change-corporate-america/
It could be argued that amazon.com has usurped many other forms of employment, as they are devouring entire industries while their employees are underpaid and achieving maximum efficiency in the processing of orders. And they do enjoy that sales tax advantage. Teachers have been laid off, yet, amazon.com is hiring temp laborers!!! I've worked there, I know. They don't stop. Biz has been kind of slow there lately, I've heard, in the wake of recent labor abuse allegations. It's a soulless operation -- good riddance to amazon.com and the few crappy jobs they provide (while eliminating many others ).
Yes, but who MADE them into what they are? WE did. People need to think about more than just sticker price when they buy. We need to educate people how to be RESPONSIBLE consumers. We did it with "green" and "organic" and now it's time to do it with jobs, wages, and conditions.
Agreed Rico, we're on the same page here. It's hilarious to pick items from amazon.com's shelve that are marketed "green" or "sustainable" or "organic" while knowing that the packaging and shipping waste involved in delivering this non-essential consumer good to an anonymous well-intentioned consumer completely negates the feel-good sentiment they derive as they click "add to cart." Spread the word.
Rico you are one of the most sensible voices on this whole wacky site. have a nice evening.
Thanks MissBirdy ! I formalized the Occupy Christmas idea as "Occupy MALL Street" at http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-mall-street-and-change-corporate-america/
Excellent idea...You have presented some meaningful alternative to these sit ins, that would send a message/ But I think these peep's prefer the drama on the front lines in NYC
.you risk a death trap.
I agree with everything in this post. We need to reach out to people and present a good public face, and clogging up the subway won't do that.
Agreed.
I agree with what's being said. In order to get more people on board, we need to earn the trust and respect of those that might be on the fence of what OWS is about. We shouldn't anger the populace by fully disrupting their way of life.
An example of this is that I have a friend who lives in Jersey but works on the upper east side. He agrees with everything that is going on, but finds it a bit of an inconvenience when his travel is disrupted after a long days work.
EXACTLY. We'll only hurt ourselves. There are PLENTY of other things we can do that will not alienate our base of support but deepen their support. We just need to identify them.... THINK before acting !
As an idea, we should use subway station locations as check points and rally points. We use these locations to unify our members in which we then continue our marching throughout the burrows. Avoiding disrupting traffic and those just trying to get home, while still spreading the word and our ideas.
Someone already said it, but, we don't know how many people will show up. We don't want to cause unsafe conditions for ourselves, our listeners or even the NYPD, EMT etc.
Who said they're going to occupy subways? Not a big fan of that idea so I can agree with you on that. Occupy Wall Street all day all week. I don't know what to suggest about the night time though.
See http://occupywallst.org/forum/shut-down-new-york-subway-system-111611/
yeah i've seen a few since I commented earlier. I'm not a fan of the idea either.
Look at this News Item: http://occupywallst.org/forum/nypd-occupying-liberty-square-demands-unclear/
I commented "Kudos to the OWS staff for having a sense of humor !"
3 bulls were discussing the fact that the farmer had a new bull coming to join the herd. The big bull said that he had 20 cows that he was in love with and the new bull couldn't have any of them. The middle bull said he had 10 cows that he was in love with and the new bull couldn't have any of them. The small bull said the he had 5 cows that he was in love with and the new bull couldn't have any of them. On the day the new bull arrived the 3 bulls gathered around and notice how the new bull was kickin the shit out of the truck wanting out. He was one big SOB. The big bull said he can have 10 of my cows, the middle bull said he can have 5 of my cows all along the little bull was stomping the ground and snorting and told the other two bull that the new bull can have his cows that he hopes that the new bull would just notice that he was a bull.
;o)
Well said. OWS screwed up by turning a PUBLIC park into a cesspool--a move which ALIENATED the very 99% OWS claims to advocate for.
Occupying the subways would be doubling down on stupid.
Yep. OWS needs to start think like politicians... understand your base, and try to serve them rather than annoy them.
If girls with big chests work at Hooters, then do girls with one leg work at IHOP?
OK, that's funny in a "you might be a redneck if..." sorta way, but it's more than a little off-topic and politically incorrect to boot ;o) -1 point for you sir !
I knew a one legged girl once. Her name was ilean.
When I went to the zoo and stared at the gorillas, one stared back and waved. Why?
No, no, occupying the Subway is a good thing. Take over the stations, lay down on the tracks and force the subway to stop running. While you are at it grab the third rail, that will show them.
Yeah! Piss off the working class people. Distance yourself from any remaining support. Finish off the movement once and for all. That'll show them!!!!
Watchdood- OWS screwed up by Occupying a privately owned park and turning it into a vermin infested slum. Way to respect others
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