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Forum Post: Stoping Bots .... is Easy

Posted 2 months ago on Aug. 3, 2014, 7:24 p.m. EST by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC
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I have posted this here before....

First ... a Bot is a program or a script .... that can automate a task ... such as searching for a username and down-grading or up-grading their posts ....

a Bot can also be a script that changes login user names ... etc... or anything that is related to form input....

a Bot is only useful to the user to make it easier and less time consuming for them to complete their mission....

a Bot can perform repetitious tasks as fast as the server can respond ....

one easy way to stop bot execution is to have the Action Button (send, post, whatever) .... randomly placed on the screen.... and then when the user clicks on the it... the form also sends the coordinates ... which must match the placed location .... if not... the action is denied.... (including login)....

this would be quite complex for a script to overcome.... (however possible, but difficult)

if Jart/OWS wishes to implement this easy process ... and needs further help ... I would be happy to help ... non-publicly .....

futher ....

we should also use short life & lifetime cookies to deny more than one user login per computer ... (not per browser session) as a second step ....

also ... to limit multiple computer use.... we should be able to base identification on IP address... whereas IP can be spoofed ... a reverse ping should work .... however I havn't confirmed that

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehehe ... I can can see it now... this dialog between me and (the guy that has used bots here) is gonna get Shadz ,,, to say we are the same person again... :) ... but honestly we are not... I was a member here from... week 3 or 4 ... and a member of nycga from week two...

and ... often... not always... what the bot guy posts ...is very important.,.,. as with all of us including me.,.. often ... but not always... we are human ... btw.... lets get together and fix this country !!

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehe... oh... come on T... Fuk this old history... you probably down-voted more posts than anyone here... no ? ... good job btw ;)

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

for page placement

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

come on.... reality T.... every post... is a vote :)

We not on attack as much as you appears ... no ? .... come on on T ... we need this truthful dialog...thats what you want I know

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

%) ... I forgot what I was getting too :)

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehehe... Ya... I like like Jart... and never even met her

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hey...T ... I'm too tried ,.. or drunk ...etc... right now to talk this platform shit...

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehehe ty ty %)

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

???? no... because she looks really pretty imo

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[-] -1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehehe ... who cares... what shadz or any of us thinks... doesn't make a bit of difference in the whole scheme of things.... personally I like much of what shadz says... anyway... let me reread your good post

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[-] -1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

also T... you got to admit that most of us who are mad at you... is because you have pointed out our vulnerability ,,, personally I want to know my vulnerability... else I get shot in this hood I live in ..

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[-] -1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehehe... I was banned... in week 5 or so,,,, because I caught an inside joke happening & responded... scared the ground members... and Jart rebirthed me :) a couple days later %%%)

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[-] -1 points by shooz (-6) from Detroit, MI 2 months ago

Jart is like your mom.

[-] -1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hehe... hey Shooz (if that's you) ...maybe kindda... always had the hots for for Mom when I was kid... and have hots for Jart now !! :)

[-] 0 points by shooz (-6) from Detroit, MI 2 months ago

Hot for mom because you sucked her breast. Understandable.

Hot for jart? Have you tried courting her?

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

no dumbass T... again... because shooz would never say that... you Schizophrenic ... lunitic.... get back to reality... see people for who they are... including you

[-] -1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

hahaha... that is what makes ZD so NUTZ ...sometimes :) ... and me too

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

cool... ok serious dialog for a change ... for OWS supporters... this info is critical for any Direct Democracy systems ....

ok how can your bot pass a server request ... w/o out all the info passed.... a random image image click asks for coordinates to be passed too ... how will a bot see or mimic those coordinates ???

also ... yes... I agree IP is easily spoofed... that's good question ...

also ... so... if ... bots not used ... what is ?

THANKS!!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

color analysis with Fourier transforms to recognize the distorted characters

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

nope... Matt ...:) ... you are talking about... decyphering captchas ... I simply want the bot to click on the screen at the right position

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

quote >>> " But, honestly, the true secret is to make bots useless."

this is the key !!! ... I agree 100%%%% ... and T... I do think I know how to do that .... and the point system is part of the problem ... I say in detail... in a while... but at glance... we should use the point system only for our own personal advantage ... to book mark data we want to refind ... that way we don't waste our power ... or our sharing... ... if you know what I mean .... the action becomes personally valuable ....

just got off work... 12+ hours... need a beer .. cig ..etc... back in while... thx for dialog :)

and... I do have some security questions ... I'm sure you can help me with\

added::: specifically ...how to identify ... computer login... not person... I like privacy ...

need that for online voting

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

OK T...

well ... back in 2004 ... I was part of the first social network... The Omidyar Network... before myspace, facebook,... or any of them...

I learned a lot there... and the point system sucks... it brought a fantastc site ... which borned.. Kiva, ..playpumps,, major boost to GrameanBank... and a thousand more.... further it demonstrated the phenomial power that networking can become....

ultimately ... the point system.... which was intended to boost good content to visibility.... became a weapon.... used by groups in a team effort to promote themselves.... and downgrade others....

in 2007 ... Pierre shut in down... due to the infighting....

very similar to what we see here.....

The Point System:

the answer to a point system lies... into making it costly or profitable to the user....

imagine a system.... that allows you or I ... to tag/rate or index a post simply because I want to be able to find it later....

If I wanted to find it later ... I must have interest in it.... whether malicious or truthful...

now.... if we add networking to it.... ie... wanting to share it with select friends....

that tagging ... actually becomes more important .....and more selective....

and way less a weapon ...... (just an intro)

more in a bit

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

ok...T... you are an expert on security.... (well ... I'm really sure you are in some ways... but this site is pretty vulnerable....

anyway.... lets talk about a online voting system...

how d you secure from multiple users ?.....

now obviously... you got into Jarts site... havn't looked at her open source in years.... but ... obviously little seurity.........

amyway... how do we.... determine how many users .... are accessing site ever? ....

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

ok....let's skip a bit a say we have a rating system... defined.... based on actual interest.... much like google does...

what's to next step ?.... voting ? ... consensus building ?

how do we secure the data ? ....back in a bit

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

need another smoke... brb

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[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

yeah.... trying... quit 4 times ...for years already.... getting close to next quit ... need to smoke more pot... makes me hate cigs

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

:) damn shortNfatNbaldBUTsexy ... I wish you would stop using such long names... hard to type!! hehe ... I like Mr T better....

and again ... for the OWS supporters .... we do need Mr T's ... they are who show us are vulnerabilities..,..

THINK about it .... if we were ever to get anything monumental going... the money guys would slap us down in seconds ... if we didn't get the security straight .... mrT ... is actually trying to help us... and sorry I called you names once in a while ....

context response in a min

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 months ago

good post... just skimmed it... need to move truck before towed ... brb